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Mar 14, 2019 7:40:44 GMT 1
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Post by lochnessterrier on Mar 14, 2019 7:40:44 GMT 1
We are so NOT the 20th best team in England and Wales. I think we'll finish as the 19th best... Wrong.
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Post by Town Duppy on Mar 14, 2019 8:00:06 GMT 1
Please state our actual position and show your working out. Our actual position suggests that we are the 20th best team in the Premier League, but that does NOT mean we are 20th best in England. Are you suggesting that our current squad would run away with the Championship title? You are in for one rude awakening next season mate. Perv.
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Mar 14, 2019 9:12:00 GMT 1
Please state our actual position and show your working out. Our actual position suggests that we are the 20th best team in the Premier League, but that does NOT mean we are 20th best in England. Are you suggesting that our current squad would run away with the Championship title? You are in for one rude awakening next season mate. How do you know ? Do you have inside information as to the make up of next year's squad ? You do realise the players that stay from our current rota will be "high end" Championship don't you ? Have you forgotten how good the likes of Smith and Kachunga were ? Let's see is all I say mate UTT
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 14, 2019 13:11:02 GMT 1
Our actual position suggests that we are the 20th best team in the Premier League, but that does NOT mean we are 20th best in England. Are you suggesting that our current squad would run away with the Championship title? You are in for one rude awakening next season mate. How do you know ? Do you have inside information as to the make up of next year's squad ? You do realise the players that stay from our current rota will be "high end" Championship don't you ? Have you forgotten how good the likes of Smith and Kachunga were ? Let's see is all I say mate UTT It's always going to a daft and subjective opinion. Comparing clubs who have confidence in spades, with a club that might have arguably better players and a higher squad value, but is on it's arse with confidence...
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Post by lochnessterrier on Mar 14, 2019 13:12:22 GMT 1
Our actual position suggests that we are the 20th best team in the Premier League, but that does NOT mean we are 20th best in England. Are you suggesting that our current squad would run away with the Championship title? You are in for one rude awakening next season mate. How do you know ? Do you have inside information as to the make up of next year's squad ? You do realise the players that stay from our current rota will be "high end" Championship don't you ? Have you forgotten how good the likes of Smith and Kachunga were ? Let's see is all I say mate UTT It amazes me that people don't have the intelligence to grasp this argument, but ok I'll try again. The Premier League is the best league in England and Wales but if you finish in 20th place that doesn't automatically mean you are the 20th best team in the land. There are likely to be better teams playing in the league below, and I believe there are. This is probably one of the reasons we were gubbed in the cup by an average Bristol City. Now if there was just one league, containing all 92 clubs, and we finished 20th in THAT league then maybe that would suggest that 20th is our true and fair ranking. Have you got it now, or would you like me to draw you a picture?
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Hoyle
Mar 14, 2019 13:21:47 GMT 1
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Post by runner76 on Mar 14, 2019 13:21:47 GMT 1
Will the team who finish 2nd not be the second best team then?
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Mar 14, 2019 13:37:14 GMT 1
Post by Bubbles on Mar 14, 2019 13:37:14 GMT 1
How do you know ? Do you have inside information as to the make up of next year's squad ? You do realise the players that stay from our current rota will be "high end" Championship don't you ? Have you forgotten how good the likes of Smith and Kachunga were ? Let's see is all I say mate UTT It amazes me that people don't have the intelligence to grasp this argument, but ok I'll try again. The Premier League is the best league in England and Wales but if you finish in 20th place that doesn't automatically mean you are the 20th best team in the land. There are likely to be better teams playing in the league below, and I believe there are. This is probably one of the reasons we were gubbed in the cup by an average Bristol City. Now if there was just one league, containing all 92 clubs, and we finished 20th in THAT league then maybe that would suggest that 20th is our true and fair ranking. Have you got it now, or would you like me to draw you a picture? I welcome debate on the subject,but i have already got a shirt with "20th Best Team in England 18/19" on the back. League tables don't lie I'm afraid... All those Championship Teams that are better than us? Well,they werent good enough to get in the Premier league were they? But yet little 'ol Hudders were. As the Yanks say....Go figure!
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Hoyle
Mar 14, 2019 13:47:22 GMT 1
Post by lochnessterrier on Mar 14, 2019 13:47:22 GMT 1
Will the team who finish 2nd not be the second best team then? That's certainly a much stronger argument.
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Mar 14, 2019 13:49:32 GMT 1
Post by lochnessterrier on Mar 14, 2019 13:49:32 GMT 1
It amazes me that people don't have the intelligence to grasp this argument, but ok I'll try again. The Premier League is the best league in England and Wales but if you finish in 20th place that doesn't automatically mean you are the 20th best team in the land. There are likely to be better teams playing in the league below, and I believe there are. This is probably one of the reasons we were gubbed in the cup by an average Bristol City. Now if there was just one league, containing all 92 clubs, and we finished 20th in THAT league then maybe that would suggest that 20th is our true and fair ranking. Have you got it now, or would you like me to draw you a picture? I welcome debate on the subject,but i have already got a shirt with "20th Best Team in England 18/19" on the back. League tables don't lie I'm afraid... All those Championship Teams that are better than us? Well,they werent good enough to get in the Premier league were they? But yet little 'ol Hudders were. As the Yanks say....Go figure! Ah yes, but that was 2 years ago wasn't it? Go figure....
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Post by blueandbrightside on Mar 14, 2019 13:52:24 GMT 1
How do you know ? Do you have inside information as to the make up of next year's squad ? You do realise the players that stay from our current rota will be "high end" Championship don't you ? Have you forgotten how good the likes of Smith and Kachunga were ? Let's see is all I say mate UTT It amazes me that people don't have the intelligence to grasp this argument, but ok I'll try again. The Premier League is the best league in England and Wales but if you finish in 20th place that doesn't automatically mean you are the 20th best team in the land. There are likely to be better teams playing in the league below, and I believe there are. This is probably one of the reasons we were gubbed in the cup by an average Bristol City. Now if there was just one league, containing all 92 clubs, and we finished 20th in THAT league then maybe that would suggest that 20th is our true and fair ranking. Have you got it now, or would you like me to draw you a picture? You forgot non-league, pub-league, junior football and ladies football (and there will be others). By your logic any one of them could be better than any other team. The top 6 (well PL top 6 for the avoidance of doubt as anyone else could really be top 6 given a chance....) would really have a genuine fixture congestion moan as we hit matchday 100 in December. We all know it’s been a bad season but we don’t need to knock ourselves even more by redesigning the league system just to lower us further. Last year when we stayed up we even had people knocking that saying we weren’t 16th best but 5th worst and wouldn’t have stayed up if it wasn’t for others being “even more rubbish” than us.
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Hoyle
Mar 14, 2019 13:57:05 GMT 1
Post by Bubbles on Mar 14, 2019 13:57:05 GMT 1
It was 2 years ago Lochness....and we're still here! 20th best team in England..and Wales. I'm celebrating our achievement mate..you be all defeatist if you want! At the risk of repeating myself...these last two seasons are as good as it gets for us! I remember going out on a week bender and getting a tattoo of Brian Horton's face on my leg after we finished 8th in the Championship in 1996. I thought then we would never beat that..but here we are,achieving greatness three seasons running. We are 20th best team,said we are 20th best team... Come on Lochness,join in?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 14:02:30 GMT 1
If we put a list of the 92 League football clubs in order on present league positions I bet we are 20th down the list. Next season at this stage we could be anywhere between 21st and 44th. They're coming to take me away haha....Bloody hell, I cannot believe anybody is taking it seriously.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:04:29 GMT 1
Post by lochnessterrier on Mar 14, 2019 14:04:29 GMT 1
It was 2 years ago Lochness....and we're still here! 20th best team in England..and Wales. I'm celebrating our achievement mate..you be all defeatist if you want! At the risk of repeating myself...these last two seasons are as good as it gets for us! I remember going out on a week bender and getting a tattoo of Brian Horton's face on my leg after we finished 8th in the Championship in 1996. I thought then we would never beat that..but here we are,achieving greatness three seasons running. We are 20th best team,said we are 20th best team... Come on Lochness,join in? No thanks, that would be bullying. You've got Horton's face on your leg, you've suffered enough.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:19:58 GMT 1
Post by Bubbles on Mar 14, 2019 14:19:58 GMT 1
It was 2 years ago Lochness....and we're still here! 20th best team in England..and Wales. I'm celebrating our achievement mate..you be all defeatist if you want! At the risk of repeating myself...these last two seasons are as good as it gets for us! I remember going out on a week bender and getting a tattoo of Brian Horton's face on my leg after we finished 8th in the Championship in 1996. I thought then we would never beat that..but here we are,achieving greatness three seasons running. We are 20th best team,said we are 20th best team... Come on Lochness,join in? No thanks, that would be bullying. You've got Horton's face on your leg, you've suffered enough. Aw cheer up Lochness! Just 'cos someone invented League tables for a reason you can't seem to grasp.
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Post by El Mel on Mar 14, 2019 14:23:47 GMT 1
Thing is, if you were rating us on position per pound spent, we'd probably be in the top 10 in the country.
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Post by bacuna on Mar 14, 2019 14:24:31 GMT 1
The premier league is the top of the league, so it is the 'best'. We are the worst team in the premier league, so we are the best in the country at being the worst at football.
I knew we were good at something.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:25:17 GMT 1
Post by lochnessterrier on Mar 14, 2019 14:25:17 GMT 1
No thanks, that would be bullying. You've got Horton's face on your leg, you've suffered enough. Aw cheer up Lochness! Just 'cos someone invented League tables for a reason you can't seem to grasp. Nessie to my mates, and I'm perfectly cheerful thanks
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Mar 14, 2019 15:36:21 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 15:36:21 GMT 1
How do you know ? Do you have inside information as to the make up of next year's squad ? You do realise the players that stay from our current rota will be "high end" Championship don't you ? Have you forgotten how good the likes of Smith and Kachunga were ? Let's see is all I say mate UTT It amazes me that people don't have the intelligence to grasp this argument, but ok I'll try again. The Premier League is the best league in England and Wales but if you finish in 20th place that doesn't automatically mean you are the 20th best team in the land. There are likely to be better teams playing in the league below, and I believe there are. This is probably one of the reasons we were gubbed in the cup by an average Bristol City. Now if there was just one league, containing all 92 clubs, and we finished 20th in THAT league then maybe that would suggest that 20th is our true and fair ranking. Have you got it now, or would you like me to draw you a picture?
I like this thinking, So when we won the Division 4 title where would you rank us in the standings, Were we better than half the second tier teams that season, Were we better than the team that finished 5th in tier 3 ?
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Mar 14, 2019 16:27:28 GMT 1
Post by Town Duppy on Mar 14, 2019 16:27:28 GMT 1
Tbf Leeds are champions of Europe.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 14, 2019 16:34:00 GMT 1
Please state our actual position and show your working out. Our actual position suggests that we are the 20th best team in the Premier League, but that does NOT mean we are 20th best in England. Are you suggesting that our current squad would run away with the Championship title? You are in for one rude awakening next season mate. Regardless of thoughts about next season, History books will show that Town will be placed no lower than 20th on English football's pyramid whereas next season we will something between 21st and 44th on that same pyramid. Edit coddington nailed it for me earlier ... great minds haha! Not to self read page 2 of a thread before responding to a post on page 1! Lochness - are you really trying to school folk on this matter.... wow! League tables in English football are rankings, the bottom club in a higher division is ALWAYS ranked above the top club in a lower league, until the following season. As in we are currently ranked above Norwich but next season (should Norwich go up) they will be ranked above us irrespective of our positions within our leagues.
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Hoyle
Mar 14, 2019 17:01:22 GMT 1
Post by lochnessterrier on Mar 14, 2019 17:01:22 GMT 1
It amazes me that people don't have the intelligence to grasp this argument, but ok I'll try again. The Premier League is the best league in England and Wales but if you finish in 20th place that doesn't automatically mean you are the 20th best team in the land. There are likely to be better teams playing in the league below, and I believe there are. This is probably one of the reasons we were gubbed in the cup by an average Bristol City. Now if there was just one league, containing all 92 clubs, and we finished 20th in THAT league then maybe that would suggest that 20th is our true and fair ranking. Have you got it now, or would you like me to draw you a picture?
I like this thinking, So when we won the Division 4 title where would you rank us in the standings, Were we better than half the second tier teams that season, Were we better than the team that finished 5th in tier 3 ?
Do you think we were worse that the team finishing 24th in tier 3?
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Hoyle
Mar 14, 2019 17:02:30 GMT 1
Post by lochnessterrier on Mar 14, 2019 17:02:30 GMT 1
Our actual position suggests that we are the 20th best team in the Premier League, but that does NOT mean we are 20th best in England. Are you suggesting that our current squad would run away with the Championship title? You are in for one rude awakening next season mate. Regardless of thoughts about next season, History books will show that Town will be placed no lower than 20th on English football's pyramid whereas next season we will something between 21st and 44th on that same pyramid. Edit coddington nailed for me earlier ... great minds haha! Not to self read page 2 of a thread before responding to a post on page 1! Lochness - are you really trying to school folk on this matter.... wow! League tables in English football are rankings, the bottom club in a higher division is ALWAYS ranked above the top club in a lower league, until the following season. As in we are currently ranked above Norwich but next season (should Norwich go up) they will be ranked above us irrespestive of our positions within our leagues. Aye whatever.
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Mar 14, 2019 17:03:38 GMT 1
Post by royrace on Mar 14, 2019 17:03:38 GMT 1
Our actual position suggests that we are the 20th best team in the Premier League, but that does NOT mean we are 20th best in England. Are you suggesting that our current squad would run away with the Championship title? You are in for one rude awakening next season mate. Regardless of thoughts about next season, History books will show that Town will be placed no lower than 20th on English football's pyramid whereas next season we will something between 21st and 44th on that same pyramid. Edit coddington nailed for me earlier ... great minds haha! Not to self read page 2 of a thread before responding to a post on page 1! Lochness - are you really trying to school folk on this matter.... wow! League tables in English football are rankings, the bottom club in a higher division is ALWAYS ranked above the top club in a lower league, until the following season. As in we are currently ranked above Norwich but next season (should Norwich go up) they will be ranked above us irrespestive of our positions within our leagues. Depends on your definition of 'best' doesn't it. For most people it doesn't equate simply to ranking within the football league pyramid. I think the person who originally made the comment was being flippant, we all know we're far from the 20th best team in England and Wales regardless of what the rankings are, we are however, ranked 20th. So to sum up, you're wrong .
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Mar 14, 2019 17:23:39 GMT 1
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Mar 14, 2019 17:23:39 GMT 1
How do you know ? Do you have inside information as to the make up of next year's squad ? You do realise the players that stay from our current rota will be "high end" Championship don't you ? Have you forgotten how good the likes of Smith and Kachunga were ? Let's see is all I say mate UTT It amazes me that people don't have the intelligence to grasp this argument, but ok I'll try again. The Premier League is the best league in England and Wales but if you finish in 20th place that doesn't automatically mean you are the 20th best team in the land. There are likely to be better teams playing in the league below, and I believe there are. This is probably one of the reasons we were gubbed in the cup by an average Bristol City. Now if there was just one league, containing all 92 clubs, and we finished 20th in THAT league then maybe that would suggest that 20th is our true and fair ranking. Have you got it now, or would you like me to draw you a picture? I understand fully, I just don't agree with you, is that alright ? My point is that our squad could possibly be very different come August, your judgment is based on this current squad. Is there any need for the dig at my intelligence ? As for drawing me a picture, yes please as long as you hand deliver it
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 14, 2019 17:31:09 GMT 1
Yes really nice to know that Dean is on the mend and every post on this thread echoing that sentiment.
If you want to sing a song to keep you cheerful Dean how about, 'We're currently somewhere between the 20th and 50th greatest team in England, the world has ever seen'.
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Mar 14, 2019 17:39:36 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 14, 2019 17:39:36 GMT 1
All this 20th best guff rings a bit hollow when you actually finish bottom of the league, win only 3 games and score less than 10 home league goals, there is no comfort or consolation in this season. It's been dog shit from day one with very few little to cheer. Some of you guys could be spin doctors for Theresa May, she could do with some spin (bullshit) at the minute.
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Mar 14, 2019 17:57:47 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 17:57:47 GMT 1
All this 20th best guff rings a bit hollow when you actually finish bottom of the league, win only 3 games and score less than 10 home league goals, there is no comfort or consolation in this season. It's been dog shit from day one with very few little to cheer. Some of you guys could be spin doctors for Theresa May, she could do with some spin (bullshit) at the minute. Bottom spot actually flatters this lot......
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Mar 14, 2019 17:58:19 GMT 1
All this 20th best guff rings a bit hollow when you actually finish bottom of the league, win only 3 games and score less than 10 home league goals, there is no comfort or consolation in this season. It's been dog shit from day one with very few little to cheer. Some of you guys could be spin doctors for Theresa May, she could do with some spin (bullshit) at the minute. If you see a tenner in a pile of dog shit it's still a tenner.
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Post by conman on Mar 14, 2019 18:27:53 GMT 1
All this 20th best guff rings a bit hollow when you actually finish bottom of the league, win only 3 games and score less than 10 home league goals, there is no comfort or consolation in this season. It's been dog shit from day one with very few little to cheer. Some of you guys could be spin doctors for Theresa May, she could do with some spin (bullshit) at the minute. If you see a tenner in a pile of dog shit it's still a tenner. I'm just about to eat my tea, and all I can visialise is a neatly folded tenner sticking upright in a pile of dog shit.. Cheers.
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Hoyle
Mar 14, 2019 18:47:45 GMT 1
Post by joeyjoneslocker on Mar 14, 2019 18:47:45 GMT 1
If you see a tenner in a pile of dog shit it's still a tenner. I'm just about to eat my tea, and all I can visialise is neatly folded tenner sticking upright in a pile of dog shit.. Cheers. 😂😂😂
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