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Post by terriers2000 on Jun 16, 2019 8:49:47 GMT 1
Josh Koroma, reece brown and Herbert Bockhorn will probably be our next signings
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 9:21:29 GMT 1
Are any of our players that irreplaceable? I'd be happy to rid ourselves of the losing mentality and just start a fresh. We do have money to spend; to think we haven't makes no sense.
Lossl - Gone Loewe - Gone Zanka - 5m Schindler - 10m Kongolo - ? 8m? Mooy - 10-15m Billing - 8-15m Sobhi - 1-2m
These are likely and given our net spend on transfer last season was 5m i really can't see how we aren't in a strong financial position and able to rebuild a good spine even at a third of the above prices
We need winners; the Orient lad, the young lad leeds are after..sprinkled in with winners like Elphick. It's not an expensive rebuild given the above.
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Post by town1 on Jun 16, 2019 9:44:47 GMT 1
We sign one centre half and then speculation is we are selling three. Not sure this adds up.
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Post by artysid on Jun 16, 2019 9:49:14 GMT 1
Are any of our players that irreplaceable? I'd be happy to rid ourselves of the losing mentality and just start a fresh. We do have money to spend; to think we haven't makes no sense. Lossl - Gone Loewe - Gone Zanka - 5m Schindler - 10m Kongolo - ? 8m? Mooy - 10-15m Billing - 8-15m Sobhi - 1-2m These are likely and given our net spend on transfer last season was 5m i really can't see how we aren't in a strong financial position and able to rebuild a good spine even at a third of the above prices We need winners; the Orient lad, the young lad leeds are after..sprinkled in with winners like Elphick. It's not an expensive rebuild given the above. need to add Flo to that list £2m? and up your Kongolo valuation to £12m minimum
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 10:22:06 GMT 1
Are any of our players that irreplaceable? I'd be happy to rid ourselves of the losing mentality and just start a fresh. We do have money to spend; to think we haven't makes no sense. Lossl - Gone Loewe - Gone Zanka - 5m Schindler - 10m Kongolo - ? 8m? Mooy - 10-15m Billing - 8-15m Sobhi - 1-2m These are likely and given our net spend on transfer last season was 5m i really can't see how we aren't in a strong financial position and able to rebuild a good spine even at a third of the above prices We need winners; the Orient lad, the young lad leeds are after..sprinkled in with winners like Elphick. It's not an expensive rebuild given the above. Our net spend on transfers last season was £5m?? Who did we sell other than Ince to balance out the £17m we spent on Kongolo, £8m on Diakhaby, as well as Sobhi, Bacuna, Grant etc etc?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 10:25:44 GMT 1
Can we see some club giving us our money back for Kongolo? I can’t, he’s a good player and I like him but feel we paid too much. I bet you didn’t say that at the time we signed him I did actually. Like most I wanted the club to sign him but think defenders can be picked up a hell of a lot cheaper and that money could have been spent more offensively but all well and said in hindsight.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 16, 2019 10:31:08 GMT 1
I bet you didn’t say that at the time we signed him I did actually. Like most I wanted the club to sign him but think defenders can be picked up a hell of a lot cheaper and that money could have been spent more offensively but all well and said in hindsight. Not just hindsight, it's also in theory 😄
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Post by hypotenuse on Jun 16, 2019 10:33:46 GMT 1
To be fair his first 2 signings are Grant and Elphick. Liking the links with the quality lower league players such as Koroma and Brown too. Not sure why he is being patronised so much tbh. It's because some people sit in this little bubble where football is the same as 15 years ago. There is a distrust of people who use analysis as it's just numbers and data. However, what analysis of data does, is to allow you to narrow down potential signings and then focus your scouting more appropriately. I know a lad who works for a different club and he has had to put a hell of a lot of hard work, most of it unpaid, to get himself through the door. The knowledge he has about players in this country is phenomenal. Analysis, used correctly, can give smaller clubs a bit more chance to compete. Excellent point, well made. How the fuck do people think that a relatively small club such as Brentford comfortably maintain mid-table or better in the Championship? Answer: Excellent use of data to complement their scouting system.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Jun 16, 2019 10:34:41 GMT 1
Comes across very well here. Sounds like just what the dressing room needs. Why can't the interviewer say the letter H correctly? It's aitch not Haitch you chav.
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Post by royrace on Jun 16, 2019 10:36:24 GMT 1
If you were a Dutch International would you play second tier football ?
Same with Schindler, Champonship football with Town or back home with Schalke ?
Sadly they will both be gone, But that's football.
Can we see some club giving us our money back for Kongolo? I can’t, he’s a good player and I like him but feel we paid too much. Wouldn’t look out of place in most premier league teams, still young and full Dutch international, I’d say price was about right. If he doesn’t go could well make a very good left back in a 433, looked to be really growing into that role last season and has all the attributes, plus more than adequate cover if needed to play CB so long as we have another left back providing cover now Lowe and Durm have gone. Players on long contracts can be retained with minimal risk and should still command a very good fee if and when we decide to sell.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jun 16, 2019 10:39:36 GMT 1
Comes across very well here. Sounds like just what the dressing room needs. Why can't the interviewer say the letter H correctly? It's aitch not Haitch you chav. Be thankful for small mercies. He didn't ask him, "When did you first know of an interest from Huddersfield"!
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Post by 123456 on Jun 16, 2019 10:39:47 GMT 1
I like how we appear to be targeting players who have recently Been promoted/ had successful seasons, Elphick, Brown, Crainie and Koroma . We are used to losing after last year and hopefully these guys can bring a winning attitude.
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Post by crux on Jun 16, 2019 10:47:32 GMT 1
I suspect 'the kid with the abacus' initially. To be fair his first 2 signings are Grant and Elphick. Liking the links with the quality lower league players such as Koroma and Brown too. Not sure why he is being patronised so much tbh. I was only answering the question using the options given, hence the quotes. Tbf I thought he was 'the kid with Fifa 2018' 😁. Josh's job is to identify potential targets and so far he appears to be doing OK from what I've seen.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 16, 2019 10:54:06 GMT 1
Comes across very well here. Sounds like just what the dressing room needs. Why can't the interviewer say the letter H correctly? It's aitch not Haitch you chav. Eh?
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Post by mids on Jun 16, 2019 10:58:25 GMT 1
You need to stop worrying and lower your expectations.
Happy as a squad player,,, This fellas a cracking centre half and he will be first choice.
In front of Kongolo or Schindler? Get me a pint of what this guy is having. They won't be here
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 11:05:53 GMT 1
I suspect 'the kid with the abacus' initially. To be fair his first 2 signings are Grant and Elphick. Liking the links with the quality lower league players such as Koroma and Brown too. Not sure why he is being patronised so much tbh. agree with you its just down to ignorance
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 11:16:01 GMT 1
To be fair his first 2 signings are Grant and Elphick. Liking the links with the quality lower league players such as Koroma and Brown too. Not sure why he is being patronised so much tbh. It's because some people sit in this little bubble where football is the same as 15 years ago. There is a distrust of people who use analysis as it's just numbers and data. However, what analysis of data does, is to allow you to narrow down potential signings and then focus your scouting more appropriately. I know a lad who works for a different club and he has had to put a hell of a lot of hard work, most of it unpaid, to get himself through the door. The knowledge he has about players in this country is phenomenal. Analysis, used correctly, can give smaller clubs a bit more chance to compete. brilliant post and scouting has changed over the years and going out and watching players still is a very important part of the whole scouting network but analysis also plays a very big part. well said.
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Post by shawsie on Jun 16, 2019 11:17:53 GMT 1
In front of Kongolo or Schindler? Get me a pint of what this guy is having. They won't be here Sadly I agree. Schindler a top pro and rightful legend here for what he has delivered. Kongolo - a Dutch international, good player and pro and what a contrast to the inflated Danish egos of zanka and billing. More consistent than both during his time here but has the sense to say nothing and just get on with it. Will undoubtedly go if we get a good fee but if that's the case good luck to him.
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Post by htfc1908 on Jun 16, 2019 11:18:14 GMT 1
To be fair his first 2 signings are Grant and Elphick. Liking the links with the quality lower league players such as Koroma and Brown too. Not sure why he is being patronised so much tbh. agree with you its just down to ignorance And whatever suits a poster's agenda
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jun 16, 2019 11:22:34 GMT 1
The music accompanying this video. Jaysus. And if they removed the slo-mos it would be a very short video. My opinion - FWIW - is that we are targeting the wrong bloke here; Macauley Bonne is the striker we should be after. Said this before in the January window - I reckon we'd get him for £1m.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 11:25:21 GMT 1
Sadly I agree. Schindler a top pro and rightful legend here for what he has delivered. Kongolo - a Dutch international, good player and pro and what a contrast to the inflated Danish egos of zanka and billing. More consistent than both during his time here but has the sense to say nothing and just get on with it. Will undoubtedly go if we get a good fee but if that's the case good luck to him. your assessment of both kongolo and shindler are spot on.If both leave and Ive no evidence to say they will or wont although my feeling is kongolo could well do both players shindler especially have been a credit to themselves and the club.lots can happen yet!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 11:26:59 GMT 1
I did actually. Like most I wanted the club to sign him but think defenders can be picked up a hell of a lot cheaper and that money could have been spent more offensively but all well and said in hindsight. Not just hindsight, it's also in theory 😄 Maybe Dean Hoyle didn’t consult Ross Wilson!? 🤣
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 16, 2019 11:27:11 GMT 1
Problem we have with Kongolo is even if he himself wants to leave, we'll want the bulk of what we paid for him. And after the season he just had, where IMO he looked average at best and pretty unimpressive overall, I can't see who the buyers at that price would be.
We might have to look at doing what happened when we bought him. Loan him out for half a season and hope he really impresses whilst hes there to get the value back up again.
Its alright saying hes a dutch international, which he is in that hes played for them, but doubt hes anywhere near the dutch managers thoughts right now. Flo is a swiss international..so not sure you can read everything into that.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 16, 2019 11:28:55 GMT 1
In front of Kongolo or Schindler? Get me a pint of what this guy is having. They won't be here Which will be a massive blow if they both leave.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 16, 2019 11:29:46 GMT 1
Problem we have with Kongolo is even if he himself wants to leave, we'll want the bulk of what we paid for him. And after the season he just had, where IMO he looked average at best and pretty unimpressive overall, I can't see who the buyers at that price would be. We might have to look at doing what happened when we bought him. Loan him out for half a season and hope he really impresses whilst hes there to get the value back up again. Its alright saying hes a dutch international, which he is in that hes played for them, but doubt hes anywhere near the dutch managers thoughts right now. Flo is a swiss international..so not sure you can read everything into that. Just like Durm was a World Cup winner too.
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 16, 2019 11:31:41 GMT 1
Problem we have with Kongolo is even if he himself wants to leave, we'll want the bulk of what we paid for him. And after the season he just had, where IMO he looked average at best and pretty unimpressive overall, I can't see who the buyers at that price would be. We might have to look at doing what happened when we bought him. Loan him out for half a season and hope he really impresses whilst hes there to get the value back up again. Its alright saying hes a dutch international, which he is in that hes played for them, but doubt hes anywhere near the dutch managers thoughts right now. Flo is a swiss international..so not sure you can read everything into that. I agree but I still think he was better than Schindler last season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 11:34:16 GMT 1
Zanka’s qualities were missed last season. Durm, Z, S & K were our 4 best (vaguely capable) defenders. Who on earth sanctioned the Flo signing should be hanging their heads in shame.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 16, 2019 11:36:50 GMT 1
Problem we have with Kongolo is even if he himself wants to leave, we'll want the bulk of what we paid for him. And after the season he just had, where IMO he looked average at best and pretty unimpressive overall, I can't see who the buyers at that price would be. We might have to look at doing what happened when we bought him. Loan him out for half a season and hope he really impresses whilst hes there to get the value back up again. Its alright saying hes a dutch international, which he is in that hes played for them, but doubt hes anywhere near the dutch managers thoughts right now. Flo is a swiss international..so not sure you can read everything into that. I agree but I still think he was better than Schindler last season. If they stay we will probably have a really solid defence that won't concede a lot of goals. This is my worry over Elphick, don't deny that he's a great player but at 30 plus he'll have lost half a yard of pace and their legs can go anytime and are more injury prone. In one on one situations with a pact striker he'll probably be skinned 9 times out of 10, although experienced defenders like Elphick can make up for that with positional sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 11:42:55 GMT 1
I agree but I still think he was better than Schindler last season. If they stay we will probably have a really solid defence that won't concede a lot of goals. This is my worry over Elphick, don't deny that he's a great player but at 30 plus he'll have lost half a yard of pace and their legs can go anytime and are more injury prone. In one on one situations with a pact striker he'll probably be skinned 9 times out of 10, although experienced defenders like Elphick can make up for that with positional sense. indeed if you can read the game it helps if you lack a bit of pace but the lad is a real team player and leader and that is one of the main things he has been brought in. a good move without doubt
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Post by yoy on Jun 16, 2019 11:44:12 GMT 1
Problem we have with Kongolo is even if he himself wants to leave, we'll want the bulk of what we paid for him. And after the season he just had, where IMO he looked average at best and pretty unimpressive overall, I can't see who the buyers at that price would be. We might have to look at doing what happened when we bought him. Loan him out for half a season and hope he really impresses whilst hes there to get the value back up again. Its alright saying hes a dutch international, which he is in that hes played for them, but doubt hes anywhere near the dutch managers thoughts right now. Flo is a swiss international..so not sure you can read everything into that. I might be wrong but I was pretty sure that he joined up with the squad prior to the recent fixtures. He didn’t ultimately get selected but to say he’s nowhere near the manager’s thoughts seems unfair. He’s a good player. There was nothing wrong with his individual season. Of course he has to take his share of responsibility for the failings of the team but I’m pretty sure there’ll still be suitors. The naive side of me is hopeful that he’ll be here next season. The realistic side of me is pretty certain that he will not.
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