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Apr 20, 2019 23:53:16 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Apr 20, 2019 23:53:16 GMT 1
He was booked for the foul. It was nothing to do with "mouthing off". We will have to disagree; the incident was half way line Kilner Bank side and was nothing to do with him. Walked past the ref and must have said something; ref turned round and immediately got the card out. So, as I said, IMO, he “mouthed off” and got the card. But he didn;t though. he was booked for pulling their player back.
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Post by blueandbrightside on Apr 20, 2019 23:54:43 GMT 1
As I see it his main problem at present is trying too hard and ending up out of position, making fouls to recover and shouting at people in frustration. Happens at all levels, there is always a player like this. Maybe he should take a leaf out of some other players books and hide.
Doesn’t get on with the manager? Apparently it’s his way or the highway according to some so he wouldn’t be playing if they didn’t get on would he?
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Post by impact on Apr 20, 2019 23:57:30 GMT 1
He was booked for the foul. It was nothing to do with "mouthing off". We will have to disagree; the incident was half way line Kilner Bank side and was nothing to do with him. Walked past the ref and must have said something; ref turned round and immediately got the card out. So, as I said, IMO, he “mouthed off” and got the card. What? He pulled back Delefeu about 15 yards inside their half as he was about to get away. I'd rather he did that than let a counter attack progress. You can thank Mbenza for it as well for pulling out of a challenge and then not bothering to get back. What were you watching?
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Post by impact on Apr 20, 2019 23:59:03 GMT 1
How many times has he been booked for mouthing off then? There was a guy on here a week or two ago who lazily threw in this 'fact' that Hogg was 'always getting sent off'. He actually gets sent off about once every FIFTY games over the past few seasons!! So 'always' then! And the one at Watford was a total joke and really shouldn't count.
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Hogg
Apr 21, 2019 0:16:50 GMT 1
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Apr 21, 2019 0:16:50 GMT 1
Never, EVER as a keeper pass out centrally. Lossl again is the root of the goal. So slack.
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Apr 21, 2019 1:23:51 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 1:23:51 GMT 1
It’s Hogg’s game. He’s a warrior- ok he may not have been good today but he’d always be in my team. Everyone else seems to have forgotten it's supposed to be their game too, Hogg even pressed the keeper a couple of times because Mounié wasn't doing it. They’re not supposed to be doing it...saw Jan a few times today trying to get us to just leave the Watford deep possession alone and instead get our shape back.
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Apr 21, 2019 7:10:23 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 7:10:23 GMT 1
Hogg hasn’t been first choice for any Town manager other than Wagner. He lacks the technical ability to be an all round midfielder at this level. However, in a system where he is limited to chasing and winning the ball back (a la Wolves away) he is magnificent.
What he is t is a ball playing midfielder. Why he was asked to drop back and receive the ball between the CBs is a mystery. It cost us a goal but was more a tactical error by Jan to make that Hogg’s role on my eyes.
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Post by space hardware on Apr 21, 2019 9:20:17 GMT 1
Hogg hasn’t been first choice for any Town manager other than Wagner. He lacks the technical ability to be an all round midfielder at this level. However, in a system where he is limited to chasing and winning the ball back (a la Wolves away) he is magnificent. What he is t is a ball playing midfielder. Why he was asked to drop back and receive the ball between the CBs is a mystery. It cost us a goal but was more a tactical error by Jan to make that Hogg’s role on my eyes. It seemed to me that the two players we have who are most uncomfortable on the ball, Smith and Hogg, were the ones who ended up with the ball at their feet most of the time yesterday.
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Apr 21, 2019 10:16:50 GMT 1
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Post by golcarexile on Apr 21, 2019 10:16:50 GMT 1
Hogg hasn’t been first choice for any Town manager other than Wagner. He lacks the technical ability to be an all round midfielder at this level. However, in a system where he is limited to chasing and winning the ball back (a la Wolves away) he is magnificent. What he is t is a ball playing midfielder. Why he was asked to drop back and receive the ball between the CBs is a mystery. It cost us a goal but was more a tactical error by Jan to make that Hogg’s role on my eyes. It seemed to me that the two players we have who are most uncomfortable on the ball, Smith and Hogg, were the ones who ended up with the ball at their feet most of the time yesterday. It was very obvious and Watford exploited it. Even after Hogg dropped his clanger, he was still receiving the ball under pressure in our own half. To beat the high press, you first and foremost need players who are comfortable with the ball at their feet. Too many of ours are lacking in that department.
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Apr 21, 2019 10:23:07 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 10:23:07 GMT 1
What he is t is a ball playing midfielder. Why he was asked to drop back and receive the ball between the CBs is a mystery. It cost us a goal but was more a tactical error by Jan to make that Hogg’s role on my eyes. That role is exactly the one that Wagner played him in back when we were good. At keeper possession, centre half’s would split wide, full backs push up to the half way line and Hogg would drop deep for the short receive. I’d rather see him there than Stankovic to be honest, whose got nowhere near the movement and possibly even less technical ability and passing range.
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Apr 21, 2019 11:30:20 GMT 1
Post by herefordaway on Apr 21, 2019 11:30:20 GMT 1
Hogg until Wagner took over was a bit part player. Wagner converted him into a player who could play as the extra man in front of the back four and link the ball as we kept pocession. Attack minded he has contributed nothing in 4 years his shooting is non existent his forward passing woeful and if I was him I would spend less time body building and more time improving his football skills. bacuna is the boy now You don't need to be muscular to be a street fighter Scored the winner against Barnsley.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Apr 21, 2019 15:57:56 GMT 1
Looking at this from a simplistic point of view, these are particularly strange times we find ourselves in. When was the last time we were relegated with a dozen games left? Its the same for the players, and I am not surprised in the slightest that players have suddenly changed on and probably off the pitch. There is no point trying to analyze anything or anybody right now. Its a very unpleasant period.Jumping on single performances and screaming for blood doesn't help anyone Roll on the end of the season and lets see what summer recruitment brings. UTT
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 21, 2019 16:43:11 GMT 1
Hogg hasn’t been first choice for any Town manager other than Wagner. He lacks the technical ability to be an all round midfielder at this level. However, in a system where he is limited to chasing and winning the ball back (a la Wolves away) he is magnificent. What he is t is a ball playing midfielder. Why he was asked to drop back and receive the ball between the CBs is a mystery. It cost us a goal but was more a tactical error by Jan to make that Hogg’s role on my eyes. Eh? Hes been a first choice for every manager since he arrived here. He had injury issues in his first couple of seasons but pretty much played every game he was available to play under Robins and Powell.
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Apr 21, 2019 17:07:39 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 17:07:39 GMT 1
I remembered him as being in and out, maybe I was unaware of injuries.
Anyway, in the 3 seasons before DW he played in 82 league games out of 138, he played no part in 56 - therefore just 62%.
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Apr 21, 2019 17:29:23 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Apr 21, 2019 17:29:23 GMT 1
Like i say, missed a lot of games through a series of injuries after signing here. There was some debate on DATM at one point that we'd signed a bit of a crock even.
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Post by huddstownonly on Apr 21, 2019 20:06:54 GMT 1
Hogg was stupid yesterday.
He pulled back the Watford player when there was no immediate danger and Watford were in their own half.
The ref blew for a free kick being 15 metres away from the incident.
Hogg needlessly runs past the Ref and gives him some verbal.
Ref books Hogg.
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Apr 21, 2019 20:29:49 GMT 1
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Post by Essex Terrier on Apr 21, 2019 20:29:49 GMT 1
Like i say, missed a lot of games through a series of injuries after signing here. There was some debate on DATM at one point that we'd signed a bit of a crock even. Hoggs been a bloody hero!
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Apr 21, 2019 20:36:08 GMT 1
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 21, 2019 20:36:08 GMT 1
To get booked for needlessly mouthing off to the referee to complain about the awarding of a free-kick/throw-in (can’t remember which) that didn’t actually involve him was stupid and completely unnecessary that then stuck him on a tightrope; hence his early withdrawal as he would have been sent off. He was booked for the foul. It was nothing to do with "mouthing off". He wasn't, the ref was doing nothing more than giving a free kick til after Hogg walked past him and said something
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Apr 21, 2019 20:38:18 GMT 1
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 21, 2019 20:38:18 GMT 1
We will have to disagree; the incident was half way line Kilner Bank side and was nothing to do with him. Walked past the ref and must have said something; ref turned round and immediately got the card out. So, as I said, IMO, he “mouthed off” and got the card. But he didn;t though. he was booked for pulling their player back. Don't think he was, he said something after
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Post by space hardware on Apr 21, 2019 20:41:02 GMT 1
But he didn;t though. he was booked for pulling their player back. Don't think he was, he said something after I have to say, I thought he'd given that stupid bald twat of a ref a piece of his mind as he walked past him, which led to the booking. Might be wrong though and I've no intention of watching any highlights to find out the truth.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 21, 2019 20:41:08 GMT 1
What he is t is a ball playing midfielder. Why he was asked to drop back and receive the ball between the CBs is a mystery. It cost us a goal but was more a tactical error by Jan to make that Hogg’s role on my eyes. That role is exactly the one that Wagner played him in back when we were good. At keeper possession, centre half’s would split wide, full backs push up to the half way line and Hogg would drop deep for the short receive. I’d rather see him there than Stankovic to be honest, whose got nowhere near the movement and possibly even less technical ability and passing range. Must watch a different Stankovic to me if you see one with less technical ability and passing range than Hoggy 🤔
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Apr 21, 2019 20:43:51 GMT 1
But he didn;t though. he was booked for pulling their player back. Don't think he was, he said something after He said "if i'd have known you were going to book me, I'd have ripped his fucking arm off"
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 21, 2019 20:48:03 GMT 1
Don't think he was, he said something after He said "if i'd have known you were going to book me, I'd have ripped his fucking arm off" Maybe he inquired if East was looking after Hughes cos one looks like Voldemort and the other Malfoy 🤔
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 22, 2019 0:01:39 GMT 1
He was booked for the foul. It was nothing to do with "mouthing off". He wasn't, the ref was doing nothing more than giving a free kick til after Hogg walked past him and said something Thats not what happened. The ref gave the foul as thered obviously been one, but he hadn;t seen the deliberate pull. The delay was the ref being told it was a deliberate pull back by the lino who had a much better view, so he then booked Hogg. He took one for the team because they were about to break forward with something like a 3 on 3. If theyd have scored everyone would be wishing Hogg had taken the chance to nip the attack in the bud I imagine.
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Post by huddstownonly on Apr 22, 2019 6:25:56 GMT 1
He wasn't, the ref was doing nothing more than giving a free kick til after Hogg walked past him and said something Thats not what happened. The ref gave the foul as thered obviously been one, but he hadn;t seen the deliberate pull. The delay was the ref being told it was a deliberate pull back by the lino who had a much better view, so he then booked Hogg. He took one for the team because they were about to break forward with something like a 3 on 3. If theyd have scored everyone would be wishing Hogg had taken the chance to nip the attack in the bud I imagine. The ref saw it and was near the incident ( Hogg briefly grabbing the arm of Watford player ) and blew straight away. Ref only got the yellow card out after Hogg ran past him and said something. I sit on the halfway line and it was right in front of me. There was enough time for the ref to be getting the card out before Hogg ran up to him but it was only after Hogg said something did the ref get the card out. I did note that the ref did not /beckon Hogg to come over to him.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Apr 22, 2019 7:06:27 GMT 1
I remembered him as being in and out, maybe I was unaware of injuries. Anyway, in the 3 seasons before DW he played in 82 league games out of 138, he played no part in 56 - therefore just 62%. Injury I’d bet
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Apr 22, 2019 9:40:01 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Apr 22, 2019 9:40:01 GMT 1
Thats not what happened. The ref gave the foul as thered obviously been one, but he hadn;t seen the deliberate pull. The delay was the ref being told it was a deliberate pull back by the lino who had a much better view, so he then booked Hogg. He took one for the team because they were about to break forward with something like a 3 on 3. If theyd have scored everyone would be wishing Hogg had taken the chance to nip the attack in the bud I imagine. The ref saw it and was near the incident ( Hogg briefly grabbing the arm of Watford player ) and blew straight away. Ref only got the yellow card out after Hogg ran past him and said something. I sit on the halfway line and it was right in front of me. There was enough time for the ref to be getting the card out before Hogg ran up to him but it was only after Hogg said something did the ref get the card out. I did note that the ref did not /beckon Hogg to come over to him. The ref was the blindside of the pull back. He hadn't seen it and its a straight yellow card offence for a professional foul. The linesman had a clear view of it and theyre linked up together through ear-pieces. He got booked because hed committed a clear yellow card offence. For all you know he might have said " fair cop ref" as he ran past the ref. And as you say. when was the last time a ref booked someone for dissent so casually without having a serious word with the player aswell? Never happens.
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Apr 22, 2019 9:52:02 GMT 1
Post by In sooth- - on Apr 22, 2019 9:52:02 GMT 1
NO NO NO. He said to the ref- "how`s the wife"?
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 22, 2019 10:05:10 GMT 1
The ref saw it and was near the incident ( Hogg briefly grabbing the arm of Watford player ) and blew straight away. Ref only got the yellow card out after Hogg ran past him and said something. I sit on the halfway line and it was right in front of me. There was enough time for the ref to be getting the card out before Hogg ran up to him but it was only after Hogg said something did the ref get the card out. I did note that the ref did not /beckon Hogg to come over to him. The ref was the blindside of the pull back. He hadn't seen it and its a straight yellow card offence for a professional foul. The linesman had a clear view of it and theyre linked up together through ear-pieces. He got booked because hed committed a clear yellow card offence. For all you know he might have said " fair cop ref" as he ran past the ref. And as you say. when was the last time a ref booked someone for dissent so casually without having a serious word with the player aswell? Never happens. A straight yellow card unless you're Will Hughes 😡
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Apr 22, 2019 10:15:35 GMT 1
Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Apr 22, 2019 10:15:35 GMT 1
Never, EVER as a keeper pass out centrally. Lossl again is the root of the goal. So slack. On balance Lossl is our best keeper and has been for many years. Not perfect, but our best. All keepers make mistakes just look at this season the best have all screwed up. He has also made so magnificent saves.
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