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Post by Syran on Apr 29, 2019 12:55:16 GMT 1
I wouldn't fancy us against any of the sides in the championship right now.
The confidence amongst our players is shot to pieces. Their whole ethos and mindset has been broken.
I'm afraid this squad needs dismantling and rebuilding, not just for the good of the club, but also for the good of many of the players.
Literally everything needs freshening up. New squad, new mentality, new approach.
If we stick with most of this squad, we will seriously struggle next season. Not because I think they don't have the ability, it's the mentality that's broken.
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Post by impact on Apr 29, 2019 13:09:46 GMT 1
Do people honestly think we'd struggle to pick up results in the championship with Shindler, Kongolo, Bacuna, Mooy, Hogg, Grant, etc? Löwe, Smith, Kachunga & Prichard didn't exactly struggle the last time they were in the championship either. The premier league is a completely different beast to the championship, do people not realise this? I bet Stoke fans said the same last summer reeling off names like Afobe, Ince, Allen, Martins Indi, Butland, Etebo, Fletcher, Shawcross, Berahinho Its not as straight forward as just having decent players. They've got to want it too A decent manager helps as well. My main worry now for next year is looking at the last 8 managers who got promoted. Wagner, Farke and Wilder all got the best out of their players despite not spending a lot. Warnock knows that division inside out. Benitez, Santo, Hughton and Jokanovic all spent more, but each put a very distinct style on their teams. That's the main difference between those clubs and Stoke - Stoke really didn't seem to have any sort of style and just hoped the individual quality would get them through. It didn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 13:27:50 GMT 1
If we put the side that played wolves off the park in the championship we’d be champions by Xmas...but we seem to have managed to completely self destruct anything and everything that we had going for us.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 29, 2019 18:18:42 GMT 1
The form of Stoke and Swansea this season who were both miles better last season that we have been this leads me to conclude it's gonna be difficult. When you throw either Jan or another new manager into the mix and a massively disrupted squad, anything could happen. The manager and recruitment is obviously key, get both right and top six is possible. Get either wrong and we could end up in a relegation fight. The Championship is far from easy. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Both Swansea and Stoke changed managers in the summer and they had to assess their playing squads in friendlies only, due to the early transfer window closure. I don't think it is any coincidence that West Brom who had Moore in place assessing his squad before the end of the PL season is the only club relegated from the PL last season in with a chance of a quick return despite the fact that they have since dispensed with his services. Despite the criticism headed his way I fully expect JS to be in charge when we kickoff in the Championship in August. I don't put any credence in the form of a team in one season being any sort of accurate indicator of the form in the next especially when they are playing in a different division with a different squad. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 29, 2019 18:29:05 GMT 1
I don't recall Town ever winning promotion immediately after a relegation aside from League 2 under Jacko. I think this may be a good pointer as to how well we do, Stoke and Swansea have had nothing seasons this time round after relegation and at the minute it's difficult to make a convincing case for an immediate return. I wish I could say I felt confident about going up but I'm not sure the club are looking to bring in any quality to change my mind, we all know the transfer policy at Town.
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Post by impact on Apr 29, 2019 18:30:20 GMT 1
The form of Stoke and Swansea this season who were both miles better last season that we have been this leads me to conclude it's gonna be difficult. When you throw either Jan or another new manager into the mix and a massively disrupted squad, anything could happen. The manager and recruitment is obviously key, get both right and top six is possible. Get either wrong and we could end up in a relegation fight. The Championship is far from easy. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Both Swansea and Stoke changed managers in the summer and they had to assess their playing squads in friendlies only, due to the early transfer window closure. I don't think it is any coincidence that West Brom who had Moore in place assessing his squad before the end of the PL season is the only club relegated from the PL last season in with a chance of a quick return despite the fact that they have since dispensed with his services. Despite the criticism headed his way I fully expect JS to be in charge when we kickoff in the Championship in August. I don't put any credence in the form of a team in one season being any sort of accurate indicator of the form in the next especially when they are playing in a different division with a different squad. Tbh I put West Brom down to how they finished the season before, along with some continuity. Picked up some good wins, showed some fight and carried it over. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Apr 29, 2019 18:38:35 GMT 1
I don't recall Town ever winning promotion immediately after a relegation aside from League 2 under Jacko. I think this may be a good pointer as to how well we do, Stoke and Swansea have had nothing seasons this time round after relegation and at the minute it's difficult to make a convincing case for an immediate return. I wish I could say I felt confident about going up but I'm not sure the club are looking to bring in any quality to change my mind, we all know the transfer policy at Town. Ermmmm... 1952/53" Huddersfield Town's 1952-53 campaign was Town's first season back in the 2nd Division since the 1919-20 season. Under the leadership of Andy Beattie, Town returned to the top flight at the first attempt. They finished in 2nd place behind Sheffield United by 2 points, with 58 points. The main reasons for Town's success during the season were the 45 goals between Jimmy Glazzard and Vic Metcalfe. Also, 7 of Town's players (Jack Wheeler, Ron Staniforth, Laurie Kelly, Bill McGarry, Don McEvoy, Len Quested and Vic Metcalfe) played every game in the season, while Jimmy Glazzard missed just the last game of the season."Surely you remember this? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 29, 2019 21:05:39 GMT 1
I don't recall Town ever winning promotion immediately after a relegation aside from League 2 under Jacko. I think this may be a good pointer as to how well we do, Stoke and Swansea have had nothing seasons this time round after relegation and at the minute it's difficult to make a convincing case for an immediate return. I wish I could say I felt confident about going up but I'm not sure the club are looking to bring in any quality to change my mind, we all know the transfer policy at Town. Ermmmm... 1952/53" Huddersfield Town's 1952-53 campaign was Town's first season back in the 2nd Division since the 1919-20 season. Under the leadership of Andy Beattie, Town returned to the top flight at the first attempt. They finished in 2nd place behind Sheffield United by 2 points, with 58 points. The main reasons for Town's success during the season were the 45 goals between Jimmy Glazzard and Vic Metcalfe. Also, 7 of Town's players (Jack Wheeler, Ron Staniforth, Laurie Kelly, Bill McGarry, Don McEvoy, Len Quested and Vic Metcalfe) played every game in the season, while Jimmy Glazzard missed just the last game of the season."Surely you remember this? Oh yeah I forgot that one. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 15, 2019 10:49:32 GMT 1
The quality of the championship is shite. We should be in or around the top 6 next season, no excuses. A team with Oliver Norwood and Martin Cranie as their main men got promoted.
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Post by terrier70 on May 15, 2019 12:09:51 GMT 1
if we keep Mooy, Schindler and Kongolo, get a striker to get goals along with Grant and form a team around them we will do pretty well, especially if Westwood signs
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Post by deo1 on May 15, 2019 12:20:09 GMT 1
I’d fancy our chances against any Championship team next season. What I’ve seen of it this season including the play offs we’ve got nothing to fear. You get the odd stand out player in a team who might punish you where as in the PL you get punished each time you make a mistake. Yes it’ll be a hard season but one which we can embrace and take it by storm. We’ve had it tough this past year but it’ll make us stronger for it. UTT
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 15, 2019 12:34:34 GMT 1
The Championship is hard work and a tough slog.
The lack of quality is compensated by aggression and commitment, it takes a different group of players to thrive. Of course quality will shine through but you have to have the grafters.
Games are thick and fast and any team will beat any other if you don’t turn up, see Wigan and Burton at our spot.
Play offs are no indication, the actual quality goes out the window, we were not that good in any of ours, neither were the opposition.
It’s about being consistently strong at home and picking up wins away every now and then. Home form will be key.
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 15, 2019 12:36:20 GMT 1
If Derby and Middlesbrough are the bench mark then we should be fine.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 15, 2019 12:56:37 GMT 1
Cardifu will be up there with Collin in charge !
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 15, 2019 13:41:52 GMT 1
If Derby and Middlesbrough are the bench mark then we should be fine. 2 teams who won’t go up? The benchmark is Norwich |
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Post by townohiofan on May 15, 2019 13:50:26 GMT 1
I tend to rank players in their division by 6 categories (1-Star, 2-Above Average, 3-Average, 4-Serviceable, 5-Prospects/Unknown, and 6-Ship to Siberia). Looking at mid table unlikely to have to worry about relegation premier league teams last season most of those clubs had 12+ average or better players and 16+ serviceable or better players. Looking at town it would appear we had 7 average or better players (no stars and grant only played half the season) and 14 serviceable or better players. My guess is we lose 5 of those players this summer.
All that is to say that, even though many of the players will likely jump at least one level with the quality of the championship, we have many players leaving, a host of unknown quantities, and (due to the increased number of fixtures) the championship requires more depth. I probably am not saying anything we don't already know but to compete for promotion we'll need good recruitment, development from a few young guys (Brown, Daly, Duhaney,O'Brien, Rowe, etc...), and leaps forward from a couple of last summer's signings/Stankovic.
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Post by mossleyric on May 15, 2019 14:32:37 GMT 1
I tend to rank players in their division by 6 categories (1-Star, 2-Above Average, 3-Average, 4-Serviceable, 5-Prospects/Unknown, and 6-Ship to Siberia). Looking at mid table unlikely to have to worry about relegation premier league teams last season most of those clubs had 12+ average or better players and 16+ serviceable or better players. Looking at town it would appear we had 7 average or better players (no stars and grant only played half the season) and 14 serviceable or better players. My guess is we lose 5 of those players this summer. All that is to say that, even though many of the players will likely jump at least one level with the quality of the championship, we have many players leaving, a host of unknown quantities, and (due to the increased number of fixtures) the championship requires more depth. I probably am not saying anything we don't already know but to compete for promotion we'll need good recruitment, development from a few young guys (Brown, Daly, Duhaney,O'Brien, Rowe, etc...), and leaps forward from a couple of last summer's signings/Stankovic. I agree about the chance of a lot of players leaving and the signings in their place making it very hard to predict how we'll get on. I also think how we get on in the opening 5-6 games may shape the season as well. If we manage to start by winning most of them, especially if a couple are against other promotion contenders, I could see the players getting their confidence back and we'll have every chance of finishing in the play offs. But if we start with mainly defeats I think after the season we've just had the players will be rock bottom confidence-wise and we easily could end up going down again. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on May 15, 2019 14:41:36 GMT 1
The quality of the championship is shite. We should be in or around the top 6 next season, no excuses. A team with Oliver Norwood and Martin Cranie as their main men got promoted. I reckon pretty much every team that has been relegated from the PL have had that attitude, rarely does to it turn out to be the right one. |
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Post by thetrueterrier on May 15, 2019 16:50:35 GMT 1
If we play like we did in the matches against Man Utd and Southampton, we should have a real chance of coming back up, although I can’t see us getting an automatic spot.
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Post by thetrueterrier on May 15, 2019 19:45:51 GMT 1
I’m the complete opposite. I see us with pretty much the same players that have already been promoted from that league with a few ‘lower PL/upper Championship players added + a few potential additions and we should do well. I used to be worried about playing against good quality championship strikers but having watched us play world class strikers week in week out I now see players of a significantly lower ability. They might all score goals but they need three/four chances a game. And that is clear cut chances - not the half chances Mounié has been getting. We keep saying that our players wouldn’t get in other PL teams but pretty much all our players would have played in either Leeds or Villa’s teams. And that includes LDP (at a push). Yes the season has been tough, but you have got to enjoy the optimism of a close season. New division, new(ish) manager, new more-attacking playing style, new players, new memories. Am I the only one loking forward to the new fixtures coming out? Not at all. I’m excited for the fixture list to come out and, like you, I feel we have a good chance of getting at least playoffs next year. I don’t see us being too shabby and, again, like you say, I’m sure we will bring in some good or at least decent Championship players to help bolster the squad. |
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Post by hd2 on May 15, 2019 20:00:37 GMT 1
Personally can’t see how anyone can make a prediction we’re coming straight back up, ending up mid table or fighting relegation when no one has any idea who’s still going to be here come the summer and who we’ll bring in.
I’ll state I’ve no idea what the fuck we’ll do.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 22:26:55 GMT 1
The championship is now about who drops the luckiest with their 4/5 premier loanees hitting their straps and staying injury free, along with a half decent manager and a sprinkling of team spirit.
if Derby go up they will need half a team when their loanees return to their parent clubs.
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Post by impact on May 15, 2019 22:27:43 GMT 1
The championship is now about who drops the luckiest with their 4/5 premier loanees hitting their straps and staying injury free, along with a half decent manager and a sprinkling of team spirit. if Derby go up they will need half a team when their loanees return to their parent clubs. Pretty much us then. |
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Post by melbourneterrier on May 16, 2019 0:48:04 GMT 1
No idea how we will do.
We don't know if we'll have the likes of Kongolo, Schindler, Mooy, Westwood heck Grant may get offers.
I'll wait judgement to see who signs, who leaves, who get in on loan before making any prediction.
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Post by ram on May 16, 2019 11:30:58 GMT 1
Despite his warm words,I am still not convinced about Phil,our new chairman.I am concerned about recruitment {again}.Pay peanuts you usually get monkeys.I know this going against the optimism on this board but until I see the caliber of the players coming in,I reckon 10th will be a good 1st season back in the division position....Tin hat at the ready.  |
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Post by Metch on May 16, 2019 11:43:15 GMT 1
Despite his warm words,I am still not convinced about Phil,our new chairman.I am concerned about recruitment {again}.Pay peanuts you usually get monkeys.I know this going against the optimism on this board but until I see the caliber of the players coming in,I reckon 10th will be a good 1st season back in the division position....Tin hat at the ready. We can only go by Phil's words and the trust DH has put in him. We await his actions now, i'm sure we will all have a clearer idea of where we are heading by August. |
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Post by hypotenuse on May 16, 2019 12:10:08 GMT 1
The quality of the championship is shite. We should be in or around the top 6 next season, no excuses. A team with Oliver Norwood and Martin Cranie as their main men got promoted. Cranie is a very good player. He would have been a better right back than most of what we had available in the premier league. I don’t rate Norwood at all. |
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Post by turbo2 on May 16, 2019 12:48:26 GMT 1
Despite his warm words,I am still not convinced about Phil,our new chairman.I am concerned about recruitment {again}.Pay peanuts you usually get monkeys.I know this going against the optimism on this board but until I see the caliber of the players coming in,I reckon 10th will be a good 1st season back in the division position....Tin hat at the ready. The squad that got us promoted was paid peanuts in real terms. Its not about blowing cash here there and everywhere. Its about targeting players to suit what you want from them and with the right attitude. its normally a bit of a lottery, as Norwich proved. Sold there two best players in consecutive windows and got a free transfer striker who just happened to rip the league up. |
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Post by tobbyg on May 16, 2019 12:56:53 GMT 1
The quality of the championship is shite. We should be in or around the top 6 next season, no excuses. A team with Oliver Norwood and Martin Cranie as their main men got promoted. Nice to see we’ve already developed our own billy big bollocks wanker. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 13:04:26 GMT 1
Personally can’t see how anyone can make a prediction we’re coming straight back up, ending up mid table or fighting relegation when no one has any idea who’s still going to be here come the summer and who we’ll bring in. I’ll state I’ve no idea what the fuck we’ll do. good lad we have no idea as you say when we don't bknow what our squad will be.Some on here defy belief |
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