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Post by Captainslapper on May 13, 2019 11:07:19 GMT 1
If that's what you want to think crack on, race has nothing to do with this decision & I'll be surprised if they do make anything out of this. The guy has kept their head above water, the owner wants some breathing space next season & he thinks Hughton isn't the bloke for the job... I mentioned yesterday that Souness was blowing smoke up his arse (albeit mildly) in the lovery dovey aftermath of Man C's victory. It was nothing more than an end of season throwaway comment due to the party atmosphere. Hughton has been lucky this season, they're not a great side in reality, they just did what we did last season & managed to get points on the board in the first half of the season... It would however be funny, if the BMA & others commented on this as being down to his skin colour and Brighton go and bring in a black Mgr to replace him... To be fair, I think - hope? - that k1man999 was being sarky. Every decision anywhere in the world where someone of non-white ethnicity ends up a loser is always treated as a race crime by some snowflake somewhere. It really irritates me. I think he was being sarky. But there again, this will have racist undertones to many who choose to see it that way. Expect KIO to be making the usual statements about a lack of BAME managers later today. |
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Post by impact on May 13, 2019 11:18:45 GMT 1
There are strong rumours he's going to be replaced by Graham Potter. A man who couldn't take a pretty strong Swansea squad into the top 6 when someone as bad as Derby got there. He's massively underachieved this year.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 13, 2019 11:22:16 GMT 1
To be fair, I think - hope? - that k1man999 was being sarky. Every decision anywhere in the world where someone of non-white ethnicity ends up a loser is always treated as a race crime by some snowflake somewhere. It really irritates me. I think he was being sarky. But there again, this will have racist undertones to many who choose to see it that way. Expect KIO to be making the usual statements about a lack of BAME managers later today. I think he was, nowt against K1man999 & maybe I should have been clearer about that. Chris Hughton's done OK in his managerial career when you add it all up, but there's only ever going to be half a dozen truly successful Mgrs in any given season & there's a break point for every club. I doubt that he'll be the last post season casualty of the PL & not every decision will be motivated by form, sometimes the owners are that stupid & rich, they just think a new Mgr will bring the shine back to one of their playthings... Without wishing this to become a race thing, I expect if you added up all the managerial changes across the 4 divisions, pro-rata there are less BAME Mgrs that will have lost their job this season. That's just a guess BTW, someone may wish to go and run the stats if they've time on their hands... |
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Post by nshackle on May 13, 2019 11:30:07 GMT 1
I suspect he won't be out of work for long - my money would be on WBA snapping him up, especially if they miss out on promotion via the play-offs
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Post by Boothys Knees on May 13, 2019 12:18:10 GMT 1
Seems like the right decision to me. Could have ended up in the bottom 3 with their terrible form in the 2nd half of the season. Better to try something new to keep the ship afloat rather than risk it sinking further.
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Post by k1man999 on May 13, 2019 12:19:07 GMT 1
Pure racism That will be the call from the BMA and other associated organisations. Oh dear Oh dear what, that angle was tried on sky this morning until Danny Mills and another chap/ex player of ethnic origin put them in their place. |
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Post by hypotenuse on May 13, 2019 12:25:03 GMT 1
There are strong rumours he's going to be replaced by Graham Potter. A man who couldn't take a pretty strong Swansea squad into the top 6 when someone as bad as Derby got there. He's massively underachieved this year. I disagree. He has stabilised the club and they have actually been playing really good football. They were unlucky not to finish higher in the division and were competitive against some of the very best sides. Also gave Man City a tough game in the Cup. If we have a season as good next year, I’ll be overjoyed. |
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Post by nshackle on May 13, 2019 13:15:47 GMT 1
Oh dear what, that angle was tried on sky this morning until Danny Mills and another chap/ex player of ethnic origin put them in their place. They’ve just had John Barnes on again discussing the lack of BME managers. Were Brighton expected to give Hughton the job for life simply because of his ethnicity ? No doubt in my mind (irrespective of whether anyone agrees or disagrees with the decision) that he was sacked for football reasons - they have been awful in the second half of the season and perhaps fortunate to survive. That’s not to say that he hasn’t done a very good job overall. |
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Post by 28901 on May 13, 2019 13:20:14 GMT 1
If that's what you want to think crack on, race has nothing to do with this decision & I'll be surprised if they do make anything out of this. The guy has kept their head above water, the owner wants some breathing space next season & he thinks Hughton isn't the bloke for the job... I mentioned yesterday that Souness was blowing smoke up his arse (albeit mildly) in the lovery dovey aftermath of Man C's victory. It was nothing more than an end of season throwaway comment due to the party atmosphere. Hughton has been lucky this season, they're not a great side in reality, they just did what we did last season & managed to get points on the board in the first half of the season... It would however be funny, if the BMA & others commented on this as being down to his skin colour and Brighton go and bring in a black Mgr to replace him... To be fair, I think - hope? - that k1man999 was being sarky. Every decision anywhere in the world where someone of non-white ethnicity ends up a loser is always treated as a race crime by some snowflake somewhere. It really irritates me. Wait till it actually happens then. The only ones raising it are the ones moaning about snowflakes as usual |
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Post by Mastercracker on May 13, 2019 13:31:34 GMT 1
Oh dear what, that angle was tried on sky this morning until Danny Mills and another chap/ex player of ethnic origin put them in their place. They’ve just had John Barnes on again discussing the lack of BME managers. Were Brighton expected to give Hughton the job for life simply because of his ethnicity ? No doubt in my mind (irrespective of whether anyone agrees or disagrees with the decision) that he was sacked for football reasons - they have been awful in the second half of the season and perhaps fortunate to survive. That’s not to say that he hasn’t done a very good job overall. Always baffles me when they do this. If the chairman/club were racist Hughton/Powell etc wouldnt have got the job in the first place! |
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Post by rastrick32 on May 13, 2019 13:34:50 GMT 1
A sacking that would make sense would be over at Man United.
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Post by ponteterrier on May 13, 2019 13:37:41 GMT 1
Brighton have pretty much reached their ceiling, the results have gone down hill but he managed to keep them up. Their lot must have watched what Wolves have done and maybe think that's what they can achieve.
Wouldn't suprise me to see Brighton in the bottom three next season.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 13, 2019 13:42:47 GMT 1
A sacking that would make sense would be over at Man United. That really was a bizarre appointment. Totally based on him as a player and doomed to fail. If theyd left the announcement to the end of the season like they said they would, they could just move him aside with a thankyou and appoint a proper manager. Now they have to stick with him and look ineptly stupid or sack him and look ineptly stupid. |
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Post by deadleg on May 13, 2019 13:43:01 GMT 1
I've learned that it's never really wise to judge these things unless you've been watching every game of the club involved. I remember the comments about Southampton sacking Adkins (think I probably made some myself) but they went out and replaced him with some guy called Pochettino. The outcry over us sacking Lee Clark also springs to mind, that was far more ridiculous to the outside observer but most here agreed it needed doing. Watford seem to do just fine getting rid of coaches who've done alright on an annual basis (or more). Plenty of examples the other way too of course but only time will tell in any given case.
They've been dreadful since Christmas and if Glenn Murray wasn't some sort of freak evergreen they'd have been in the same situation as us either this season or the season before. Their other purchases up top haven't worked out at all. I can understand why they've done it but it's hard not to feel for Hughton as he seems a decent sort and getting binned off after doing a good job has been his lot in life. He'll be in high demand in the Championship, no doubt at all.
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Post by hypotenuse on May 13, 2019 13:49:45 GMT 1
Oh dear what, that angle was tried on sky this morning until Danny Mills and another chap/ex player of ethnic origin put them in their place. They’ve just had John Barnes on again discussing the lack of BME managers. Were Brighton expected to give Hughton the job for life simply because of his ethnicity ? No doubt in my mind (irrespective of whether anyone agrees or disagrees with the decision) that he was sacked for football reasons - they have been awful in the second half of the season and perhaps fortunate to survive. That’s not to say that he hasn’t done a very good job overall. I think it is easy to confuse two issues here. I have absolutely no reason to believe that Chris Hughton’s sacking has anything to do with race issues - they’ve been very poor this season, especially since mid-December and he’s been sacked because of this. The fact that we have so few BAME managers and coaches throughout the game MAY be a race issue -not overt racism perhaps, but a recycling of the same tired old managers and coaches who go from club to club. |
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Post by Metch on May 13, 2019 14:05:08 GMT 1
I don't think we should criticise Brighton here. They are taking a massive risk to change direction but it would have been equally risky to keep Hughton. They have really struggled in the 2nd half of the season and he will probably be thankful of a new challenge too. Not much fun trying to keep clubs up in the Premier League.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 13, 2019 14:19:00 GMT 1
They’ve just had John Barnes on again discussing the lack of BME managers. Were Brighton expected to give Hughton the job for life simply because of his ethnicity ? No doubt in my mind (irrespective of whether anyone agrees or disagrees with the decision) that he was sacked for football reasons - they have been awful in the second half of the season and perhaps fortunate to survive. That’s not to say that he hasn’t done a very good job overall. I think it is easy to confuse two issues here. I have absolutely no reason to believe that Chris Hughton’s sacking has anything to do with race issues - they’ve been very poor this season, especially since mid-December and he’s been sacked because of this. The fact that we have so few BAME managers and coaches throughout the game MAY be a race issue -not overt racism perhaps, but a recycling of the same tired old managers and coaches who go from club to club. Football needs to break with the old boys club traditions. It's been a closed shop for so long, but thankfully some owners are thinking differently now & not jut siding with a 'name' that will initially pacify the supporters... Allardyce, Moyes, Redknapp, wouldn't want any of 'em at Town... I may be doing Moyes a disservice, but the other 2 are only interested in lining their own pocket and making sure they've got enough funds to make them look competent & credible, but just not enough so they can have an excuse for not being backed when it falls apart for them... |
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Post by 28901 on May 13, 2019 14:23:15 GMT 1
They’ve just had John Barnes on again discussing the lack of BME managers. Were Brighton expected to give Hughton the job for life simply because of his ethnicity ? No doubt in my mind (irrespective of whether anyone agrees or disagrees with the decision) that he was sacked for football reasons - they have been awful in the second half of the season and perhaps fortunate to survive. That’s not to say that he hasn’t done a very good job overall. Always baffles me when they do this. If the chairman/club were racist Hughton/Powell etc wouldnt have got the job in the first place! Has anyone actually said that Hughton got sacked because he mixed race?? |
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Post by nshackle on May 13, 2019 14:31:49 GMT 1
Always baffles me when they do this. If the chairman/club were racist Hughton/Powell etc wouldnt have got the job in the first place! Has anyone actually said that Hughton got sacked because he mixed race?? No, not directly from the interviews I have seen, but it just felt like 'opportunism' from Sky to start the BME debate on the day Hughton was sacked. That debate could take place any day of the week, but on many occasions seems to be sparked everytime a manager from a minority group is sacked. |
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Post by Mastercracker on May 13, 2019 14:32:48 GMT 1
Always baffles me when they do this. If the chairman/club were racist Hughton/Powell etc wouldnt have got the job in the first place! Has anyone actually said that Hughton got sacked because he mixed race?? I have no idea. But it has historically happened when a black manager has been sacked. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on May 13, 2019 15:29:58 GMT 1
I think it is easy to confuse two issues here. I have absolutely no reason to believe that Chris Hughton’s sacking has anything to do with race issues - they’ve been very poor this season, especially since mid-December and he’s been sacked because of this. The fact that we have so few BAME managers and coaches throughout the game MAY be a race issue -not overt racism perhaps, but a recycling of the same tired old managers and coaches who go from club to club. Football needs to break with the old boys club traditions. It's been a closed shop for so long, but thankfully some owners are thinking differently now & not jut siding with a 'name' that will initially pacify the supporters... Allardyce, Moyes, Redknapp, wouldn't want any of 'em at Town... I may be doing Moyes a disservice, but the other 2 are only interested in lining their own pocket and making sure they've got enough funds to make them look competent & credible, but just not enough so they can have an excuse for not being backed when it falls apart for them... Yet we've appointed someone unknown- and his failure to turn around a side that struggled prior to his arrival has been enough for some... |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 15:30:58 GMT 1
I suspect he won't be out of work for long - my money would be on WBA snapping him up, especially if they miss out on promotion via the play-offs Or Leeds? Bielsa has both Marseille and Japan ready to pounce apparently. |
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Post by 28901 on May 13, 2019 15:39:48 GMT 1
Has anyone actually said that Hughton got sacked because he mixed race?? No, not directly from the interviews I have seen, but it just felt like 'opportunism' from Sky to start the BME debate on the day Hughton was sacked. That debate could take place any day of the week, but on many occasions seems to be sparked everytime a manager from a minority group is sacked. Unfortunately that is how news operates. Its not just this subject, topics for discussion are driven by events. I hear there is a crisis in such and such on Today programme as headline news and surprisingly there is a Panorama documentary on the very subject tonight on BBC1. It's only a news item because someone decides it is. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on May 13, 2019 15:46:02 GMT 1
I suspect he won't be out of work for long - my money would be on WBA snapping him up, especially if they miss out on promotion via the play-offs Or Leeds? Bielsa has both Marseille and Japan ready to pounce apparently. Man utd could do worse than look to bielsa |
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Post by nicovaesen on May 13, 2019 15:48:12 GMT 1
Is he signing then lol
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 16:10:35 GMT 1
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BRIGHTON. Sign below average players. Sack coach who didn’t sign them. Football 2019.
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Post by York Terrier on May 13, 2019 20:51:10 GMT 1
SURELY we have to be in for him.. proven with every club he has been at... Please..PLEASE can someone make this call Yes yes yes get him in charge and we could have a chance of making an instant return next year |
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Post by BlueValour on May 13, 2019 21:01:40 GMT 1
Chris Hughton has done a quality job at Brighton, a club about the same size as Town. Straightforward poll.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 21:02:44 GMT 1
Fantastic, another Chris Hughton thread, to go with the Zanka ones. We playing trumps now?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 13, 2019 21:04:30 GMT 1
Its gunna be a long May and June !!
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