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May 16, 2019 0:39:33 GMT 1
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 16, 2019 0:39:33 GMT 1
If he's such a fantastic coach then why hasn't he won anything domestically this century? Won an Olympic gold in 2004 with a team that would have won it without a coach.
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Post by impact on May 16, 2019 0:48:04 GMT 1
If he's such a fantastic coach then why hasn't he won anything domestically this century? Won an Olympic gold in 2004 with a team that would have won it without a coach. He's a good coach, no doubt. But Wagner out-coached him, spending less on the entire squad than Leeds did on Bamford. Rotation was a big reason why we succeeded where Leeds failed. That and we could actually defend. |
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Post by greyarea on May 16, 2019 1:02:34 GMT 1
If he's such a fantastic coach then why hasn't he won anything domestically this century? Won an Olympic gold in 2004 with a team that would have won it without a coach. Bielsa is misrepresented in the media. I have huge affection for the man (and clearly I'm a Town fan) but Bielsa's legacy in the world of football is not what he has won but what tactical systems he developed. As a fully rounded manager Bielsa clearly has flaws such as reluctance to rotate to prevent burn out, ability to switch plans during games and so on and so on. Its the reason he does not have a trophy laden cabinet. When Pep and Potch and various top,top managers around the world pay tribute to Bielsa, it is more to do with the tactical side of the game. He is the godfather of all the high-press, split central-defender, ball playing goal keeper, attacking from the half-space region of the pitch systems. Everything you see in nearly every top team across Europe. That is why he is held in such high-regard by coaches (then coach/managers). Just one side note (as we all stand on the shoulders of giants) Bielsa developed his high-press systems from the very first manager/coach to play a proactive high press which was Arrigo Sacchi's AC Milian team of the late 1980's which won everything. Bielsa is a idealist/football philosopher not a pragmatist and that neatly explains his high regard&reputation in football while have won relatively little. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on May 16, 2019 5:35:59 GMT 1
If he's such a fantastic coach then why hasn't he won anything domestically this century? Won an Olympic gold in 2004 with a team that would have won it without a coach. Bielsa is misrepresented in the media. I have huge affection for the man (and clearly I'm a Town fan) but Bielsa's legacy in the world of football is not what he has won but what tactical systems he developed. As a fully rounded manager Bielsa clearly has flaws such as reluctance to rotate to prevent burn out, ability to switch plans during games and so on and so on. Its the reason he does not have a trophy laden cabinet. When Pep and Potch and various top,top managers around the world pay tribute to Bielsa, it is more to do with the tactical side of the game. He is the godfather of all the high-press, split central-defender, ball playing goal keeper, attacking from the half-space region of the pitch systems. Everything you see in nearly every top team across Europe. That is why he is held in such high-regard by coaches (then coach/managers). Just one side note (as we all stand on the shoulders of giants) Bielsa developed his high-press systems from the very first manager/coach to play a proactive high press which was Arrigo Sacchi's AC Milian team of the late 1980's which won everything. Bielsa is a idealist/football philosopher not a pragmatist and that neatly explains his high regard&reputation in football while have won relatively little. Agree. Like it or not, you can't argue he hasn't been good value this season and raised the profile of what already is a division more exciting than the premier league (imo). His team have played well and they haven't gone mad with money. Counts for nowt in the end though. |
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May 16, 2019 6:45:07 GMT 1
Post by htfcsince70 on May 16, 2019 6:45:07 GMT 1
Bielsa is misrepresented in the media. I have huge affection for the man (and clearly I'm a Town fan) but Bielsa's legacy in the world of football is not what he has won but what tactical systems he developed. As a fully rounded manager Bielsa clearly has flaws such as reluctance to rotate to prevent burn out, ability to switch plans during games and so on and so on. Its the reason he does not have a trophy laden cabinet. When Pep and Potch and various top,top managers around the world pay tribute to Bielsa, it is more to do with the tactical side of the game. He is the godfather of all the high-press, split central-defender, ball playing goal keeper, attacking from the half-space region of the pitch systems. Everything you see in nearly every top team across Europe. That is why he is held in such high-regard by coaches (then coach/managers). Just one side note (as we all stand on the shoulders of giants) Bielsa developed his high-press systems from the very first manager/coach to play a proactive high press which was Arrigo Sacchi's AC Milian team of the late 1980's which won everything. Bielsa is a idealist/football philosopher not a pragmatist and that neatly explains his high regard&reputation in football while have won relatively little. Agree. Like it or not, you can't argue he hasn't been good value this season and raised the profile of what already is a division more exciting than the premier league (imo). His team have played well and they haven't gone mad with money. Counts for nowt in the end though. I have to admit his team have played very well throughout the season and I have actually enjoyed watching them - that I said I enjoyed watching them last night more than any other game they have played this season! |
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May 16, 2019 6:47:20 GMT 1
Post by softboy on May 16, 2019 6:47:20 GMT 1
Re his tactical/technical expertise I comment as follows.
1) During the whole of the 2nd half Lampard was on the touchline, shouting instructions to his players, getting a word with them when he could, generally motivating as much as he could. Once Leeds went behind all Bielsa did was parade up and down the touchline, head down, no motivational skills whatsoever.
2) Leeds play a fast, high pressing, high tempo, ball forward quickly game yet sigh and play a player (Patrick Bamford) who plays a completely different style of game and therefore when the final ball comes into the box they are disjointed.
He simply "bottled it" when the game started to go against them - typical Leeds really.
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Post by slackjaw on May 16, 2019 6:49:24 GMT 1
Chris Wilder has had four promotions in a very short career and imo plays football just as good as Bielsa has done with Leeds only with an actual end product.He’s had success at all his clubs without spending millions and has certainly improved what you might call average players.
He’ll never be talked about like Bielsa because he’s a straight forward Yorkshire man.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 16, 2019 7:44:34 GMT 1
Anyone who has the ability and know how to throw away a 10 point lead and a 2 goal play off advantage is a genius in my eyes.
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May 16, 2019 8:27:23 GMT 1
Post by nshackle on May 16, 2019 8:27:23 GMT 1
Chris Wilder has had four promotions in a very short career and imo plays football just as good as Bielsa has done with Leeds only with an actual end product.He’s had success at all his clubs without spending millions and has certainly improved what you might call average players. He’ll never be talked about like Bielsa because he’s a straight forward Yorkshire man. There's also a certain irony that they are one of the few clubs where Neil Warnock didn't enjoy any success in a league where he specialises in promotion. There fans were always very 'sniffy' towards him as if he was not good enough to be there nor was he given any real backing to assemble a promotion winning team. Agree re end product, all very nice playing exiting attacking football but there are no prizes for that alone. |
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May 16, 2019 8:40:41 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 8:40:41 GMT 1
Decent manager, probably should be working in one of the top divisions really, and if last night was his last game then I’m sure now they’ve gone this route, they’ll look to someone similar to replace him.  |
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May 16, 2019 9:10:37 GMT 1
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Post by detox on May 16, 2019 9:10:37 GMT 1
Leeds have a lot to think about this summer...do they try and keep the squad/manager together and have another go, or do they appoint another manager (their 10th in about 5 years I think). and rebuild, let some of their stars go (maybe some will want to go).....Their finances must be stretched too with the squad they have, plus I think they have around 20 players out on loan who are all due back at the club this summer. That's some hefty wage bill..plus Radrizzani made Bielsa the highest paid manager ever at leeds and despite Radrizzani's £400m wealth he has his fingers in many pies and can be quite ruthless. He justified the sale of the promising Vieira when they bought Bamford for £7m with we cannot buy players and never sell players...
You kind of get that this was the season they put everything into it, they have played some good football for sure but lost their nerve when itcame to the crunch. That brittleness will not win them anything even though they are an aggressive and tough (and talented) side. The key will be money, or lack of it...gate receipts and sponsorships hardly cover players wages these days, and they have an expensive (but successful) Academy...
Last nights result will hit the club hard and the ramifications could run deep...
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May 16, 2019 11:15:23 GMT 1
Post by ram on May 16, 2019 11:15:23 GMT 1
Leeds have a lot to think about this summer...do they try and keep the squad/manager together and have another go, or do they appoint another manager (their 10th in about 5 years I think). and rebuild, let some of their stars go (maybe some will want to go).....Their finances must be stretched too with the squad they have, plus I think they have around 20 players out on loan who are all due back at the club this summer. That's some hefty wage bill..plus Radrizzani made Bielsa the highest paid manager ever at leeds and despite Radrizzani's £400m wealth he has his fingers in many pies and can be quite ruthless. He justified the sale of the promising Vieira when they bought Bamford for £7m with we cannot buy players and never sell players... You kind of get that this was the season they put everything into it, they have played some good football for sure but lost their nerve when itcame to the crunch. That brittleness will not win them anything even though they are an aggressive and tough (and talented) side. The key will be money, or lack of it...gate receipts and sponsorships hardly cover players wages these days, and they have an expensive (but successful) Academy... Last nights result will hit the club hard and the ramifications could run deep... I especially like the "ramifications" part.  |
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Post by terrier70 on May 16, 2019 11:36:46 GMT 1
Brighton should be cooling their interest in Graham Potter and making contact with Bielsa, only way he will get to the Premier league unless another Premier league comes knocking
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May 16, 2019 11:37:58 GMT 1
Post by terrier70 on May 16, 2019 11:37:58 GMT 1
Leeds have a lot to think about this summer...do they try and keep the squad/manager together and have another go, or do they appoint another manager (their 10th in about 5 years I think). and rebuild, let some of their stars go (maybe some will want to go).....Their finances must be stretched too with the squad they have, plus I think they have around 20 players out on loan who are all due back at the club this summer. That's some hefty wage bill..plus Radrizzani made Bielsa the highest paid manager ever at leeds and despite Radrizzani's £400m wealth he has his fingers in many pies and can be quite ruthless. He justified the sale of the promising Vieira when they bought Bamford for £7m with we cannot buy players and never sell players... You kind of get that this was the season they put everything into it, they have played some good football for sure but lost their nerve when itcame to the crunch. That brittleness will not win them anything even though they are an aggressive and tough (and talented) side. The key will be money, or lack of it...gate receipts and sponsorships hardly cover players wages these days, and they have an expensive (but successful) Academy... Last nights result will hit the club hard and the ramifications could run deep... Agreed, I am sure I read somewhere that they could not finance another season like they have this one |
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May 16, 2019 11:42:41 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 11:42:41 GMT 1
Leeds have a lot to think about this summer...do they try and keep the squad/manager together and have another go, or do they appoint another manager (their 10th in about 5 years I think). and rebuild, let some of their stars go (maybe some will want to go).....Their finances must be stretched too with the squad they have, plus I think they have around 20 players out on loan who are all due back at the club this summer. That's some hefty wage bill..plus Radrizzani made Bielsa the highest paid manager ever at leeds and despite Radrizzani's £400m wealth he has his fingers in many pies and can be quite ruthless. He justified the sale of the promising Vieira when they bought Bamford for £7m with we cannot buy players and never sell players... You kind of get that this was the season they put everything into it, they have played some good football for sure but lost their nerve when itcame to the crunch. That brittleness will not win them anything even though they are an aggressive and tough (and talented) side. The key will be money, or lack of it...gate receipts and sponsorships hardly cover players wages these days, and they have an expensive (but successful) Academy... Last nights result will hit the club hard and the ramifications could run deep... Agreed, I am sure I read somewhere that they could not finance another season like they have this one Think they’re fine for a couple of seasons yet...but not much longer... 2 months ago >> “This league is not sustainable and I will not be able to play in this league too long,” Radrizzani admits, “but we are fighting hard to be in the Premier League soon. “There is no income for the clubs, so everyone loses money. I don’t think anyone in the world wants to own a business that at the end of the year is making losses. “Therefore, there is a timeline in my mind – three years, maximum five – to make it to the Premier League. If we’re there, everything changes.” onefootball.com/en/news/andrea-radrizzani-exclusive-i-want-to-bring-back-the-glorious-times-en-24911145?variable=20190516 |
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Post by detox on May 16, 2019 11:53:13 GMT 1
Agreed, I am sure I read somewhere that they could not finance another season like they have this one Think they’re fine for a couple of seasons yet...but not much longer... 2 months ago >> “This league is not sustainable and I will not be able to play in this league too long,” Radrizzani admits, “but we are fighting hard to be in the Premier League soon. “There is no income for the clubs, so everyone loses money. I don’t think anyone in the world wants to own a business that at the end of the year is making losses. “Therefore, there is a timeline in my mind – three years, maximum five – to make it to the Premier League. If we’re there, everything changes.” onefootball.com/en/news/andrea-radrizzani-exclusive-i-want-to-bring-back-the-glorious-times-en-24911145?variable=20190516he's failed to realise though that £110m PL skytv money goes nowehere..players wage demands,bonuses, cost of players, agents, ground improvements..town were very prudent and just managed to keep a few £m in the bank..we've not come out of the PL 'loaded'...
plus of course, his other business interests need to keep doing well to fund this foolish love-in he has with Leeds....
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May 16, 2019 12:01:01 GMT 1
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Post by kennyk2 on May 16, 2019 12:08:50 GMT 1
Reading that article, with one year left on his contract, I'd take Roofe in a heartbeat. |
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Post by 28901 on May 16, 2019 12:53:51 GMT 1
Chris Wilder has had four promotions in a very short career and imo plays football just as good as Bielsa has done with Leeds only with an actual end product.He’s had success at all his clubs without spending millions and has certainly improved what you might call average players. He’ll never be talked about like Bielsa because he’s a straight forward Yorkshire man. Have you ever heard interviews with Wilder? He could send a glass eye to sleep.
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May 16, 2019 13:29:55 GMT 1
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Post by slackjaw on May 16, 2019 13:29:55 GMT 1
Chris Wilder has had four promotions in a very short career and imo plays football just as good as Bielsa has done with Leeds only with an actual end product.He’s had success at all his clubs without spending millions and has certainly improved what you might call average players. He’ll never be talked about like Bielsa because he’s a straight forward Yorkshire man. Have you ever heard interviews with Wilder? He could send a glass eye to sleep.
Oh I don’t know,that muppets from Leeds comment was quite amusing! |
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Post by Bigcolquaner on May 16, 2019 19:19:59 GMT 1
Does anyone know what's under that bucket, and why does he guard it so closely?
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May 16, 2019 19:23:19 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 19:23:19 GMT 1
He is a good manager for half a season. Always the case with his clubs, they tail off. I wonder why, is it their fitness regime? Very strange its happened everywhere he goes. Good manager, but Brighton had one of similar ilk in Hughton, starts great and tails off.
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May 16, 2019 19:23:45 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 19:23:45 GMT 1
Does anyone know what's under that bucket, and why does he guard it so closely? A bottle full of bottlers? |
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Post by cappy on May 16, 2019 19:32:44 GMT 1
Does anyone know what's under that bucket, and why does he guard it so closely? Bit personal that. You should never ask a man what's under his bucket 🤔 |
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Post by Porrohman on May 16, 2019 19:43:56 GMT 1
Does anyone know what's under that bucket, and why does he guard it so closely? His binoculars 🤔 |
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May 18, 2019 7:17:40 GMT 1
Post by captainblack on May 18, 2019 7:17:40 GMT 1
Bielsa is misrepresented in the media. I have huge affection for the man (and clearly I'm a Town fan) but Bielsa's legacy in the world of football is not what he has won but what tactical systems he developed. As a fully rounded manager Bielsa clearly has flaws such as reluctance to rotate to prevent burn out, ability to switch plans during games and so on and so on. Its the reason he does not have a trophy laden cabinet. When Pep and Potch and various top,top managers around the world pay tribute to Bielsa, it is more to do with the tactical side of the game. He is the godfather of all the high-press, split central-defender, ball playing goal keeper, attacking from the half-space region of the pitch systems. Everything you see in nearly every top team across Europe. That is why he is held in such high-regard by coaches (then coach/managers). Just one side note (as we all stand on the shoulders of giants) Bielsa developed his high-press systems from the very first manager/coach to play a proactive high press which was Arrigo Sacchi's AC Milian team of the late 1980's which won everything. Bielsa is a idealist/football philosopher not a pragmatist and that neatly explains his high regard&reputation in football while have won relatively little. Agree. Like it or not, you can't argue he hasn't been good value this season and raised the profile of what already is a division more exciting than the premier league (imo). His team have played well and they haven't gone mad with money. Counts for nowt in the end though. [/quot I hate to admit it but L***s should be in the mix next season too, that's if Bielsa stays and they can keep this particular squad and possibly strengthen too. It has been a spectacular fail this season admittedly, but Town fans writing them off is a little premature in my humble opinion. Sheff Utd faded last season but have been more consistent this season and have won promotion. As a betting man L***s will rightly be among the favourites for promotion next season. |
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May 18, 2019 8:07:56 GMT 1
Post by andygolcar on May 18, 2019 8:07:56 GMT 1
They’ve been favourites for the last 16 years. Maybe that’s their problem 🤪
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May 18, 2019 10:17:10 GMT 1
Post by In sooth- - on May 18, 2019 10:17:10 GMT 1
Does anyone know what's under that bucket, and why does he guard it so closely? His binoculars 🤔 PILES? |
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May 18, 2019 10:44:22 GMT 1
Post by ram on May 18, 2019 10:44:22 GMT 1
With words by Harry Belafonte "My bucket's got a hole in it"
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May 18, 2019 14:56:19 GMT 1
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 18, 2019 14:56:19 GMT 1
Does anyone know what's under that bucket, and why does he guard it so closely? Jack Payne and Alex Pritchard? |
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