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Post by Porrohman on May 18, 2019 12:04:32 GMT 1
No surprises there really. Personally glad we haven't offered Durm a deal. The Mbenza situation is what it is I suppose. I’m not glad pal , we normally agree on most things but he’s free ( as in we don’t need to buy him ) of course we need to pay him , he’s genuinely world class , he’s played against the best strikers in the Prem and on the whole done well , probably a 7 out of 10 most games , proved his fitness and in my opinion other than Kongolo and Schindler our best defender . I think it’s more likely he released us rather than we released him. World class ? Durm ? 😒 |
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Post by capitalterrier on May 18, 2019 12:09:48 GMT 1
Think we've really missed a trick here with Lossl, Williams and Durm. Are we really expecting to sign better replacements than these? And if we do it'll likely cost us a small fortune in transfer fees.
I get the wages side of things, but it's effectively us missing the opportunity to sign three excellent Championship quality players for free.
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Post by drfootball on May 18, 2019 12:16:42 GMT 1
Think we've really missed a trick here with Lossl, Williams and Durm. Are we really expecting to sign better replacements than these? And if we do it'll likely cost us a small fortune in transfer fees. I get the wages side of things, but it's effectively us missing the opportunity to sign three excellent Championship quality players for free. Well said sir , however I think Lössl maybe not keen on Jan or other way round (given what happened with Hamer etc etc ) and Drum may not be keen on barnsley away. However the premise of your point is spot on to get like for like you probably looking at 10-15 million on transfer fees alone. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 18, 2019 12:27:01 GMT 1
If Williams could have proved his fitness I reckon he'd have got a deal. It's another potential Vaughan situation, for the club it's best to get rid and use the wages elsewhere. Although I thought Williams always played well in a town shirt. Good luck to him.
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Post by golcarexile on May 18, 2019 12:37:42 GMT 1
Lossl wanted away. Durm, not sure, but his pedigree, if not current ability, is 'world class'. He therefore will be expecting to play in a top league somewhere, probably Germany.
Williams, I would have taken a gamble on. Solid proven Championship player when fit and an International captain to boot. The kind of player who's likely to terrorize us if he comes back playing for somebody else.
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 18, 2019 12:40:29 GMT 1
Payne has been average for a relegated League One side. Why do folk think he was worth keeping? At least O'Brien impressed in a shit team. My mate's a season ticket holder at VP and he waxed lyrical about Payne all season. My mate also rated him highest in the period they did well. However, that period was very short lived. O'Brien sounds to have had a far better season overall. Still, with the number of players leaving, I am slightly surprised he has been released (subject to who comes in). |
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Post by Terry Jacko on May 18, 2019 13:17:54 GMT 1
Not particularly bothered about him going and maybe easier said than done but poor that we didn’t move Payne on a permanent? Even selling him dirt cheap with a sell on would’ve been better than nothing, think it was similar with Holmes. The big clubs are good at this.
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Post by Art Vandelay on May 18, 2019 13:20:14 GMT 1
Durm world class because he was in a World Cup winning squad? What does that make Stéphane Guivarc'h?
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Post by Porrohman on May 18, 2019 13:31:30 GMT 1
My mate's a season ticket holder at VP and he waxed lyrical about Payne all season. My mate also rated him highest in the period they did well. However, that period was very short lived. O'Brien sounds to have had a far better season overall. Still, with the number of players leaving, I am slightly surprised he has been released (subject to who comes in). Especially when we like to play with a midget that generally provides sod all anyway |
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 18, 2019 13:37:20 GMT 1
My mate also rated him highest in the period they did well. However, that period was very short lived. O'Brien sounds to have had a far better season overall. Still, with the number of players leaving, I am slightly surprised he has been released (subject to who comes in). Especially when we like to play with a midget that generally provides sod all anyway Actually. Pritchard is arguably a like for like that maybe identifies why he has been released. He didn't really seem to fit in the 4:3:3 and is more proven than Payne. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on May 18, 2019 13:52:14 GMT 1
Think we've really missed a trick here with Lossl, Williams and Durm. Are we really expecting to sign better replacements than these? And if we do it'll likely cost us a small fortune in transfer fees. I get the wages side of things, but it's effectively us missing the opportunity to sign three excellent Championship quality players for free. Well said sir , however I think Lössl maybe not keen on Jan or other way round (given what happened with Hamer etc etc ) and Drum may not be keen on barnsley away. However the premise of your point is spot on to get like for like you probably looking at 10-15 million on transfer fees alone. I don’t recall us spending 10-15 million on them in the first place so it’s certainly possible to avoid this. Plus. Maybe they just either don’t want to play for us in the Championship or for Jan. if so better we get some players who do |
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Post by capitalterrier on May 18, 2019 13:56:05 GMT 1
Think we've really missed a trick here with Lossl, Williams and Durm. Are we really expecting to sign better replacements than these? And if we do it'll likely cost us a small fortune in transfer fees. I get the wages side of things, but it's effectively us missing the opportunity to sign three excellent Championship quality players for free. Well said sir , however I think Lössl maybe not keen on Jan or other way round (given what happened with Hamer etc etc ) and Drum may not be keen on barnsley away. However the premise of your point is spot on to get like for like you probably looking at 10-15 million on transfer fees alone. Even with Lossl wanting away, if we'd extended his contract we'd have been able to pick up maybe £1m for him. Had he been under a normal contract I think he'd be worth around 6 or 7m. Danish international, proven premier league keeper. Maybe even 10m? |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on May 18, 2019 14:04:33 GMT 1
Payne has been average for a relegated League One side. Why do folk think he was worth keeping? At least O'Brien impressed in a shit team. My mate's a season ticket holder at VP and he waxed lyrical about Payne all season. At League One level, and in amongst some right dross at BC. I can see why he might stand out...  |
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Post by Town Duppy on May 18, 2019 14:28:00 GMT 1
So if Lowe goes we now have 2 RBs, one of whom can't defend, dribble or cross, and 0 LBs. Great. Can't wait to see who our DoF unearths to bring in at LB. Oh, wait. The lad from Spurs Jaden Brown is a left back isn’t he? May well become first choice, I have a feeling the lads gonna be a star. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on May 18, 2019 17:17:02 GMT 1
My only real issue with the list is that if Löwe is indeed leaving it leaves us a bit short at LB. Always rated him and although he looked out of his depth at times this season the same can be said of every member of the squad.
If we end up in a shoot-out at Wembley again we might miss our German penalty specialists...
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Post by dm on May 18, 2019 18:00:30 GMT 1
Well said sir , however I think Lössl maybe not keen on Jan or other way round (given what happened with Hamer etc etc ) and Drum may not be keen on barnsley away. However the premise of your point is spot on to get like for like you probably looking at 10-15 million on transfer fees alone. we'd have been able to pick up maybe £1m for him. Had he been under a normal contract I think he'd be worth around 6 or 7m. Danish international, proven premier league keeper. Maybe even 10m? Re the bold, does Lossl not have a say? And £6-10m for him is absolutely ludicrous. You say international... "he made his senior debut coming on as a substitute for Kasper Schmeichel against Scotland in 2016". 1 sub appearance in his career. Nobody view him as an international player really. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 18, 2019 18:17:14 GMT 1
Even with Lossl wanting away, if we'd extended his contract we'd have been able to pick up maybe £1m for him. Had he been under a normal contract I think he'd be worth around 6 or 7m. Danish international, proven premier league keeper. Maybe even 10m? Re the bold, does Lossl not have a say? And £6-10m for him is absolutely ludicrous. You say international... "he made his senior debut coming on as a substitute for Kasper Schmeichel against Scotland in 2016". 1 sub appearance in his career. Nobody view him as an international player really. Exactly - why on earth would Lossl do that and impede his options and ability to negotiate the best wages and signing on fee. You're really only going to see that from players who have been at a club years and feel they owe them. |
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Post by crux on May 18, 2019 18:50:47 GMT 1
Well said sir , however I think Lössl maybe not keen on Jan or other way round (given what happened with Hamer etc etc ) and Drum may not be keen on barnsley away. However the premise of your point is spot on to get like for like you probably looking at 10-15 million on transfer fees alone. Even with Lossl wanting away, if we'd extended his contract we'd have been able to pick up maybe £1m for him. Had he been under a normal contract I think he'd be worth around 6 or 7m. Danish international, proven premier league keeper. Maybe even 10m? We tried to get him to sign a new contract when we bought him over last summer. He wouldn't and we were left just taking on his Maintz contract which has now run out. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 19:25:06 GMT 1
Even with Lossl wanting away, if we'd extended his contract we'd have been able to pick up maybe £1m for him. Had he been under a normal contract I think he'd be worth around 6 or 7m. Danish international, proven premier league keeper. Maybe even 10m? Re the bold, does Lossl not have a say? And £6-10m for him is absolutely ludicrous. You say international... "he made his senior debut coming on as a substitute for Kasper Schmeichel against Scotland in 2016". 1 sub appearance in his career. Nobody view him as an international player really. Danny Ward went to Leicester for about 12m so I don't think 6-10m for Lossl is ludicrous. |
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Post by dm on May 18, 2019 19:56:30 GMT 1
Re the bold, does Lossl not have a say? And £6-10m for him is absolutely ludicrous. You say international... "he made his senior debut coming on as a substitute for Kasper Schmeichel against Scotland in 2016". 1 sub appearance in his career. Nobody view him as an international player really. Danny Ward went to Leicester for about 12m so I don't think 6-10m for Lossl is ludicrous. Ward came from Liverpool. Not relegated (the 2nd earliest ever) Huddersfield. That's the bullshit narrative each club has. He has 6x the international caps despite being 5 years younger. Lossl seems to have a reputation outside Town for 'having a mistake in him'... rightly or wrongly. Also, for whatever reason British players usually cost more. |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 18, 2019 20:15:37 GMT 1
£12m for Ward is on a par with what were supposed to be paying for Mbenza in terms of ridiculousness.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 21:01:31 GMT 1
Quite recently Leeds were supposed ready to bid for Mooy. Changed their mind. Wonder why? Maybe they watched him for the last few months?! His injury could actually work out quite well for us maybe. Nobody is really going to invest big bucks in a 28 year old who has been a bit rubbish for a while are they? Then suddenly come August we get a fully rested Mooy back up to full fitness having had a good pre season, and he’s back firing at his top level again. |
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Post by capitalterrier on May 18, 2019 21:47:35 GMT 1
Even with Lossl wanting away, if we'd extended his contract we'd have been able to pick up maybe £1m for him. Had he been under a normal contract I think he'd be worth around 6 or 7m. Danish international, proven premier league keeper. Maybe even 10m? We tried to get him to sign a new contract when we bought him over last summer. He wouldn't and we were left just taking on his Maintz contract which has now run out. I didn't realise that was the case. |
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Post by rastrick32 on May 18, 2019 21:51:49 GMT 1
How can folk quibble about releasing Williams? He virtually never played. In my brain, I still picture him in a Reading shirt.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 18, 2019 21:55:09 GMT 1
How can folk quibble about releasing Williams? He virtually never played. In my brain, I still picture him in a Reading shirt. It bonkers isn't it ... If you can guarantee 30 plus games he's a no brainer. SIGN . But if the likelihood is 5-10 games maximum then AVOID AT ALL COSTS . |
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Post by 28901 on May 18, 2019 22:27:50 GMT 1
Quite recently Leeds were supposed ready to bid for Mooy. Changed their mind. Wonder why? Maybe they watched him for the last few months?! His injury could actually work out quite well for us maybe. Nobody is really going to invest big bucks in a 28 year old who has been a bit rubbish for a while are they? Then suddenly come August we get a fully rested Mooy back up to full fitness having had a good pre season, and he’s back firing at his top level again. Like your thinking. But where would you play Mooy in a 433? Cos left side is where he has been a bit rubbish. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 23:05:49 GMT 1
Maybe they watched him for the last few months?! His injury could actually work out quite well for us maybe. Nobody is really going to invest big bucks in a 28 year old who has been a bit rubbish for a while are they? Then suddenly come August we get a fully rested Mooy back up to full fitness having had a good pre season, and he’s back firing at his top level again. Like your thinking. But where would you play Mooy in a 433? Cos left side is where he has been a bit rubbish. I wouldn’t play a square 4-3-3 as such, I’d play him in the more advanced role that Hogg has been taking up in the system Siewert has been gravitating towards...so something like...
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Smith Schindler Kongolo Lowe
Bacuna Hogg
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Pritchard Grant Mbenza
Or actually probably swap Bacuna and Mooy in the above, Bacuna could easily get 10 goals from outside the box the way he plays, and is probably better at creating goal scoring chances if we’re slightly less worried about losing the ball than we historically were under Wagner. |
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Post by Porrohman on May 18, 2019 23:12:02 GMT 1
Re the bold, does Lossl not have a say? And £6-10m for him is absolutely ludicrous. You say international... "he made his senior debut coming on as a substitute for Kasper Schmeichel against Scotland in 2016". 1 sub appearance in his career. Nobody view him as an international player really. Danny Ward went to Leicester for about 12m so I don't think 6-10m for Lossl is ludicrous. £12m for a keeper who was shit away from shoot outs makes £6-10m for Lossl a bargain |
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Post by Porrohman on May 18, 2019 23:15:21 GMT 1
Danny Ward went to Leicester for about 12m so I don't think 6-10m for Lossl is ludicrous. Ward came from Liverpool. Not relegated (the 2nd earliest ever) Huddersfield. That's the bullshit narrative each club has. He has 6x the international caps despite being 5 years younger. Lossl seems to have a reputation outside Town for 'having a mistake in him'... rightly or wrongly. Also, for whatever reason British players usually cost more. The bin dippers conned Leicester and Baldmuff into parting with enough money to pay for the Egyptian Tom Daley, doesnt stop what they sold being shite |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 18, 2019 23:39:41 GMT 1
Expect us to do what we did 3 seasons ago & work the loans system.
Long summer ahead whatever happens. I think the fish and chips thread might be worth bookmarking...
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