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Post by lorddriffield on May 20, 2019 14:22:00 GMT 1
Thirteen months after WBA had an application to try out safe standing at the Hawthorns turned down by the powers that be a new development has taken place in this ongoing debate. Should safe standing areas be introduced in the UK for the modern game? Wolves have come up with a plan to build rail seats into an entire stand at Molineux making it ready for a future safe standing area. Season ticket holders were asked about their match day habits and an overwhelming majority said they would be in favour of standing. Spurs have already taken action installing some rail seats in their new stadium and other clubs are surely waiting to see which way the wind blows on this hotly debated issue. I know for one thing, it's not going to go away. I'm all for it by the way.
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Post by Yorkie on May 20, 2019 14:32:59 GMT 1
There’s no reason why these types of rails aren’t in the south stand already. The fans already stand in there so why not implement this safe method as surely it’s considered safer.
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Post by Sio on May 20, 2019 14:37:03 GMT 1
Thirteen months after WBA had an application to try out safe standing at the Hawthorns turned down by the powers that be a new development has taken place in this ongoing debate. Should safe standing areas be introduced in the UK for the modern game? Wolves have come up with a plan to build rail seats into an entire stand at Molineux making it ready for a future safe standing area. Season ticket holders were asked about their match day habits and an overwhelming majority said they would be in favour of standing. Spurs have already taken action installing some rail seats in their new stadium and other clubs are surely waiting to see which way the wind blows on this hotly debated issue. I know for one thing, it's not going to go away. I'm all for it by the way. The powers don't seem to be passing it legally, but as long as the infrastructure is in place (ie Spurs and Wolves) then we'll unofficially have safe-standing anyway. The new Wolves section will basically be rail-seating in a stand that already stands. Seems the best way of doing it without legislation change. |
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Post by htfc63 on May 20, 2019 14:51:11 GMT 1
Whilst I don’t have an problem with safe standing I would point out an issue for us. We do not totally own our ground so a 60% vote could go against us on the grounds of cost. We then may be put in a position where we had to fund the whole development ourselves which may prove extremely expensive and be to the detriment of developing our squad. So in these times of needing to rebuild our team it may not be viable.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 15:09:10 GMT 1
There’s no reason why these types of rails aren’t in the south stand already. The fans already stand in there so why not implement this safe method as surely it’s considered safer. There are plenty reasons why rail seating should NOT be introduced into the South Stand or any other part of the ground now or ever. Rail seating is rubbish. Spurs, despite what the OP states, don’t have rail seating, they have introduced “safer seating”, which is in effect regular seating but with a bar in front...which is a concept that would probably make for safer standing in areas like the South Stand (assuming you think the current set up is “unsafe”...personally I don’t, especially given its a section that’s only a couple of thousand folk, it’s not as though it’s an 8-10000 capacity stand of standing fans) but without losing the ability for fans to do what they do today, which is sit down at half time etc...a function you lose with rail seats where the seats are permanently locked in the “standing position” just so they can sit there as a “capability for seating” so that grounds retain the “its an all seater stadium” tick box. www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2018/june/club-s-future-proofed-areas-offer-new-concept-in-safe-standing-debate/At Town, there is no need whatsoever to waste money installing rail seats or seats for safer seating. We have an all seater stadium, which is the current law. And as per current law, it is not a crime that supporters elect to not use those seats. So...what’s the reason for change?? The only point I can ever see for a potential change is if the all seater requirement was dropped, and there may then be some merit in removing the seats entirely and replacing with barriers....again, we wouldn’t need the rail seats that would be required so the standing area could be made into a seated area to meet European regulations, because we’ll NEVER be competing in Europe...and in the unlikely event that we ever are...then simply spend £5m of European money quickly installing temporary seats into the all new standing area?! |
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Post by Yorkie on May 20, 2019 15:22:28 GMT 1
I don’t think it’s unsafe but if there is a safer method then why not implement it.
You are right that it isn’t against the law to persistently stand but while the match is in progress it is against the ground regulations set by Town and can result in ejection from the ground. (Obviously I accept we won’t throw 2000 people out of the south stand) but it is against the rules.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 20, 2019 15:37:14 GMT 1
What has the world come to when standing up isn’t safe?
Jesus Christ.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 17:37:39 GMT 1
I cant wait for the day we have rail seating not only in the South Stand but the whole of the Kilner bank and the north stand lower, Bring it on.
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Post by nicovaesen on May 20, 2019 17:40:07 GMT 1
Sit down if you love the town
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Post by terrier25 on May 20, 2019 17:53:14 GMT 1
As most fans stand all game now, the main argument in favour of safe standing is to increase ground capacity. At present, Town dont have an issue with capacity but if we get back to the top flight then we may do and this would be a quick and relatively cheap way of increasing capacity in maybe one area of the stadium.
Other clubs, Bournemouth for example, probably need this quite badly
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 18:28:49 GMT 1
As most fans stand all game now, the main argument in favour of safe standing is to increase ground capacity. At present, Town dont have an issue with capacity but if we get back to the top flight then we may do and this would be a quick and relatively cheap way of increasing capacity in maybe one area of the stadium. Other clubs, Bournemouth for example, probably need this quite badly Bournemouth need a new stadium, the extra piddling amount safe standing would give them ain't worth the expense. Edit....I don't know where you stand in the John Smiths, but I can tell you most fans DO NOT stand all game. |
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Post by nshackle on May 20, 2019 18:58:06 GMT 1
When I went to the Giants game on Friday night the FM lower was in the process of being dismantled presumably for maintenance work. It's looking pretty tatty these days and must surely becoming to the end of it's life. When the time comes for replacement it will be interesting to see what form that replacement takes, and whether a solution ala Spurs or Wolves is incorporated. In most instances it seems to be the case that safe standing doesn't actually increase capacity as it is one person stood per seat position ? I've always thought that it is a complete nonsense that Leeds Rhino's can build something like this (with traditional barriers) yet professional football clubs cannot. It's either safe (if managed properly) and available to all or its dangerous (and available to nobody), the actual sport is irrelevant. The sooner we see some of these inconsistencies addressed the better. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 20, 2019 19:11:54 GMT 1
The safe standing barriers are no doubt tested with some sort of theoretical analysis. However they look more cumbersome and look as though they'll sanitise the whole experience, battery hen style...
They're probably safer than standing in and around seats, but as someone else has said folk hardly sit in the areas that these barriers are designed for. We all know why these came in, but in reality the reason all seater stadia were mandated was due to H'boro. This was way before the true cause of that came out. The barriers preventing people getting into the pitch compounded poor policing and stewardship.
Those barriers have long since gone, folk stand in and amongst their seats & given that celebrations are no less fervent than they were in the 70's, how many accidents have occurred since?
I don't think we need safe standing, as 'non-safe' standing seems to be proven to be ok...
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 21:10:12 GMT 1
When I went to the Giants game on Friday night the FM lower was in the process of being dismantled presumably for maintenance work. It's looking pretty tatty these days and must surely becoming to the end of it's life. Take That are playing there in a couple of weeks...I suspect after the pitch fiasco last time, the seats are being removed so that the stage can be built where stages are supposed to be built. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 20, 2019 21:32:28 GMT 1
When I went to the Giants game on Friday night the FM lower was in the process of being dismantled presumably for maintenance work. It's looking pretty tatty these days and must surely becoming to the end of it's life. Take That are playing there in a couple of weeks...I suspect after the pitch fiasco last time, the seats are being removed so that the stage can be built where stages are supposed to be built. No, it's part of the ground redevelopment. They're building a humongous set of goals for that end, only rolled out for when we're attacking that end. Our strikers need a bit of help, so the plan is to keep the Ref up near the south stand, so that with perspective he'll think they're a normal size... Although not sure how we can solve the fact that the players will look like they're playing for Lilliput FC... |
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Post by softboy on May 20, 2019 21:44:15 GMT 1
So is the standing at pretty much every away game this season classed as safe or unsafe standing. I would say that at 80 per cent of away games pretty much all away fans are stud up. At about half the games I have attended it has been with an Ambulant Disabled friend and all steward have offered is a move to
another part of the ground if he is unable to stand. Generally he sits down and sees very little of the game but enjoys being with fellow town fans.
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