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Post by greyarea on May 22, 2019 4:24:33 GMT 1
Listening back to the Monday night football on Radio Leeds and also its been stated we are going to be sensible financially it was suggested it would be one in one out sort of thing. Almost hinting wait for players to leave before new signings start appearing.
Looking at retained list we have released some big money earners:
Those released:
Jonas Lössl, Erik Durm, Danny Williams, Jack Payne and Laurent Depoitre.
Those on decent wages: Lössl, Durm, Willliams and Depoitre. All signed when we had attained Premier league status.
So I think we already have wage space to be moving on new signings.
I realise we are going to EDT promotions to the full squad in Daly, Rowe, Duhaney, Edmonds-green and possibly Brown.
I hope to see some new recruits soon.
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Post by Frederick on May 22, 2019 6:18:04 GMT 1
There will not be wholesale or largescale recruitment.
Income has fallen massively. Players are released for that reason.
It is not a case of freeing funds for more wages.
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Post by greyarea on May 22, 2019 6:37:14 GMT 1
There will not be wholesale or largescale recruitment. Income has fallen massively. Players are released for that reason. It is not a case of freeing funds for more wages. Hi, I am pretty well versed in Towns finances. the 40% wage reductions all players have in their contracts means Town wages are covered by the parachute payments plus a bit left over. Town first season parachute payment should be £48.4Million. Town wages in the Prem was £64Million. A reduction of 40% brings it down to £38.4Million. That would have included the released players. We have transfer money/wage space available immediately. All signs are this will be used prudently and carefully. I do expect a larger turnover and around 6-8 new recruits because some players are just too good to play in the Championship (Mooy), some hae made clear they wish to move on Lossl gone, Billing clearly indicated he's off and so on. Then there will also players who will not want the £40 pay cut and will have their agents organizing a move. Finally Jan wants to shape a new team, his own team. All good things end. The Wagner era was the greatest I've known and I hope something similar but different with Jan's stewardship. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 22, 2019 7:05:40 GMT 1
We grew the size of our squad last year
January 2018 - two in (Kongolo, Pritchard) and one out (Lolley)
Summer six in (diakhaby, hamer, sobhi, mbenza, bacuna, Durm) with four out (heff, malone, ince, green)
We then added grant this jan
That’s net 4 extra wages
Then the replacements will also be on bigger money than the predecessors
I just see the five leaving as balancing out the surplus of four we added to the squad
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Post by kennyk2 on May 22, 2019 7:36:50 GMT 1
It looks as though we may be prudent this window. Picking up stuff that Alan Nixon is tweeting, there are be some clubs in the Championship in a whole lot of trouble financially.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 22, 2019 8:02:25 GMT 1
It looks as though we may be prudent this window. Picking up stuff that Alan Nixon is tweeting, there are be some clubs in the Championship in a whole lot of trouble financially. Nearly all Championship clubs are unsustainable as a business. You either play safe and spend within your means, which means survival is the aim and you stay in business or you go all guns blazing hoping for promotion, putting the club at risk. Playing safe will piss off the ‘spend spend Viv’ fans who don’t understand how a business is run, going all out for promotion but failing will piss off everyone when there is no club left to support. Some people need to understand that our time in the top division has given us financial stability for a period of time, it hasn’t given us an open cheque book to sign a boat load of players. |
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Post by townrwe on May 22, 2019 8:28:49 GMT 1
Jan will shape his own squad.... of course its limited by how many he can get off the books. It's like the club have given soundbites to manage expectations and people have taken it literally. It's just common sense.
If you wanted a new car and had a 3 year old car on the drive, you would most likely want to have a buyer for the old one before buying a new one, your not just going to let it rust on your drive.
Wanted a new house, your not just going to abandon your old house, get a new mortgage and crack on.
It's just basic common sense that some on here are making out its a sign of austerity.
Jan has said he wants a BIGGER squad for the championship. I'd expect us to have 24-26 players. He may include Rowe, Daley etc in that but it already leaves us room to wiggle with the 5 that have gone.
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Post by impact on May 22, 2019 8:38:10 GMT 1
It looks as though we may be prudent this window. Picking up stuff that Alan Nixon is tweeting, there are be some clubs in the Championship in a whole lot of trouble financially. They are. That's why Leeds went all out this year with Bielsa. They knew other clubs were having to cut back and this would be their best year to get up. |
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Post by mids on May 22, 2019 8:52:04 GMT 1
There will not be wholesale or largescale recruitment. Income has fallen massively. Players are released for that reason. It is not a case of freeing funds for more wages. There will be when more than a dozen players have left, or been released. We won't necessarily replace like for like but there will be incomings galore, if only because Jan needs to get his own men through the door and into the team. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 22, 2019 9:02:34 GMT 1
There will not be wholesale or largescale recruitment. Income has fallen massively. Players are released for that reason. It is not a case of freeing funds for more wages. How can you possibly think that with so many players leaving? We'd barely have even a threadbare squad. We may not bring in the quality level some want, for the reason you describe, but we will need a fair few replacements. |
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Post by ldotm on May 22, 2019 9:25:31 GMT 1
It looks as though we may be prudent this window. Picking up stuff that Alan Nixon is tweeting, there are be some clubs in the Championship in a whole lot of trouble financially. Nearly all Championship clubs are unsustainable as a business. You either play safe and spend within your means, which means survival is the aim and you stay in business or you go all guns blazing hoping for promotion, putting the club at risk. Playing safe will piss off the ‘spend spend Viv’ fans who don’t understand how a business is run, going all out for promotion but failing will piss off everyone when there is no club left to support. Some people need to understand that our time in the top division has given us financial stability for a period of time, it hasn’t given us an open cheque book to sign a boat load of players. Spot on. We'd all love to splash out and buy the best talent around at this level but if you don't go up, you're fucked. Like you've alluded to, we get classed as "happy clappers" or "no ambition" by your classic posters on here that would moan whatever the case. That's not saying we should just get rid of our best players and sign everyone on free's and loans but people need to give their head a shake if they think we'll be forking out what we received in transfer fees. The whole point of parachute payments is to use them wisely instead of boom or bust. I guarantee the people moaning we haven't spend all our resources would be just as pissed off if not more, if we did and got nowhere and ended up in a financial crisis. |
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Post by lochnessterrier on May 22, 2019 9:36:05 GMT 1
Last season was awful in terms of results and losing became a habit, although the last 2 games give us hope.
What we need to do now is bed in the new recruits (whoever they may be) and steady the ship. Those expecting an all guns blazing charge for promotion need a reality check. Let's see where we are after 10 games and then re-assess.
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 22, 2019 9:40:06 GMT 1
Last season was awful in terms of results and losing became a habit, although the last 2 games give us hope. What we need to do now is bed in the new recruits (whoever they may be) and steady the ship. Those expecting an all guns blazing charge for promotion need a reality check. Let's see where we are after 10 games and then re-assess. an all guns blazing change in how we play would do for me for starters.. the reality check depends on if we can keep the spine.. |
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Post by Mastercracker on May 22, 2019 9:44:57 GMT 1
We grew the size of our squad last year January 2018 - two in (Kongolo, Pritchard) and one out (Lolley) Summer six in (diakhaby, hamer, sobhi, mbenza, bacuna, Durm) with four out (heff, malone, ince, green) We then added grant this jan That’s net 4 extra wages Then the replacements will also be on bigger money than the predecessors I just see the five leaving as balancing out the surplus of four we added to the squad Not that simple though, as the wage bill for 17/18 included a massive survival bonus (i think about about £10m) from memory. Obviously this hasn't been paid for 18/19 so whilst the base wage bill will have risen I'd wager that in the end with those incomings and outgoings you've listed its probably ended up about the same, maybe even slightly lower. That said, no way will we go daft. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 9:51:46 GMT 1
I know our window is open but I assume we can't sign players from other leagues until their window opens too? Anyone know if that's the case?
If we carry on the trend of signing players from France and Germany then their windows don't open until June 16th for France and July 1st for Germany.
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Post by Town Duppy on May 22, 2019 10:04:04 GMT 1
I know our window is open but I assume we can't sign players from other leagues until their window opens too? Anyone know if that's the case? If we carry on the trend of signing players from France and Germany then their windows don't open until June 16th for France and July 1st for Germany. It only matters that the buying club's window is open. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 22, 2019 10:08:34 GMT 1
We grew the size of our squad last year January 2018 - two in (Kongolo, Pritchard) and one out (Lolley) Summer six in (diakhaby, hamer, sobhi, mbenza, bacuna, Durm) with four out (heff, malone, ince, green) We then added grant this jan That’s net 4 extra wages Then the replacements will also be on bigger money than the predecessors I just see the five leaving as balancing out the surplus of four we added to the squad Not that simple though, as the wage bill for 17/18 included a massive survival bonus (i think about about £10m) from memory. Obviously this hasn't been paid for 18/19 so whilst the base wage bill will have risen I'd wager that in the end with those incomings and outgoings you've listed its probably ended up about the same, maybe even slightly lower. That said, no way will we go daft. Yeah my point is that the squad that ended 2018/19 season had 4 more first team pros on Prem Wages than in December 2017 - we'd have carried that additional wage liability had we renewed those contracts Right now I see there being one "spare" first team wage compared to the start of 2017/18 season (for a goalkeeper) - not 5 as some might think Obviously others will leave and that will create further space for new players |
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Post by townrwe on May 22, 2019 10:17:22 GMT 1
Your looking too deeply into it... we will need to sell the house and the cars, sofas and beds because they wont fit in a smaller house.... but we will still need a car, sofas and beds.
And if they do fit in the new house, we are going to have mansion furniture in our estate detached house... might look like plums but we will be fooking comfy and be the posh bastards of the estate.
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Post by I have a box full of hats on May 22, 2019 10:24:21 GMT 1
Most players are contracted until 31st May. I expect movement will start to happen at the beginning of June
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on May 22, 2019 10:27:53 GMT 1
I imagine we may bring in the odd free transfer/loan or two (probably a goalkeeper) but won’t be spending any money unless we sell.
Zanka and Billing are still on the books and I would expect us to get decent money for them. Some (not all) of that will be invested in the squad.
I don’t think Mooy and Kongolo want to go but if someone makes an offer we can’t refuse them we will be able to buy decent replacements.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 22, 2019 10:29:03 GMT 1
Most players are contracted until 31st May. I expect movement will start to happen at the beginning of June Exactly, I always thought that was the case... Nothing to see here (yet), move on... |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 10:38:47 GMT 1
I know our window is open but I assume we can't sign players from other leagues until their window opens too? Anyone know if that's the case? If we carry on the trend of signing players from France and Germany then their windows don't open until June 16th for France and July 1st for Germany. It only matters that the buying club's window is open. Make sense, though if we are waiting for outs before replacing them then it's likely to hold us up. Say Mounié would likely go back to France if he were to leave, Flo linked to Italy previously, Löwe back to Germany, Kongolo, Zanka, Billing and Mooy could all end up abroad too, then it might be a while before we see any outs before looking at replacing them. |
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Post by Floyds on May 22, 2019 10:42:54 GMT 1
There will not be wholesale or largescale recruitment. Income has fallen massively. Players are released for that reason. It is not a case of freeing funds for more wages. How can you possibly think that with so many players leaving? We'd barely have even a threadbare squad. We may not bring in the quality level some want, for the reason you describe, but we will need a fair few replacements. I reckon we'll sign players and that they'll be loans or frees - can't see us spending a transfer fee this summer. Not a bad thing given last summer's recruitment. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 10:55:30 GMT 1
We used 31 players this season. That’s too many if you want to build a cohesive football team (especially when you consider these kind of stats are normally skewed by January signings and we only made 2 of those).
Try and release some players who won’t feature, and sign players who will play this season has to be the mantra this summer, no Sohbis and Sabiris joining for a future that never arrives please.
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 22, 2019 11:02:57 GMT 1
We used 31 players this season. That’s too many if you want to build a cohesive football team (especially when you consider these kind of stats are normally skewed by January signings and we only made 2 of those). Try and release some players who won’t feature, and sign players who will play this season has to be the mantra this summer, no Sohbis and Sabiris joining for a future that never arrives please. Loads of injuries, suspensions, players downing tools half way through the season & a new manager looking at players are all big factors in why we used so many players. |
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Post by turbo2 on May 22, 2019 11:20:55 GMT 1
There will not be wholesale or largescale recruitment. Income has fallen massively. Players are released for that reason. It is not a case of freeing funds for more wages. Hi, I am pretty well versed in Towns finances. the 40% wage reductions all players have in their contracts means Town wages are covered by the parachute payments plus a bit left over. Town first season parachute payment should be £48.4Million. Town wages in the Prem was £64Million. A reduction of 40% brings it down to £38.4Million. That would have included the released players. We have transfer money/wage space available immediately. All signs are this will be used prudently and carefully. I do expect a larger turnover and around 6-8 new recruits because some players are just too good to play in the Championship (Mooy), some hae made clear they wish to move on Lossl gone, Billing clearly indicated he's off and so on. Then there will also players who will not want the £40 pay cut and will have their agents organizing a move. Finally Jan wants to shape a new team, his own team. All good things end. The Wagner era was the greatest I've known and I hope something similar but different with Jan's stewardship. I’m delighted that we have someone who knows what is going on. Please explain the new ownership and how that works with the parachute payments please |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on May 22, 2019 11:27:17 GMT 1
I'm baffled by it all. I just hope we have a squad able to compete next season.
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Post by impact on May 22, 2019 11:30:36 GMT 1
How can you possibly think that with so many players leaving? We'd barely have even a threadbare squad. We may not bring in the quality level some want, for the reason you describe, but we will need a fair few replacements. I reckon we'll sign players and that they'll be loans or frees - can't see us spending a transfer fee this summer. Not a bad thing given last summer's recruitment. I will be absolutely gobsmacked if we don't spend a fee on anyone. That would be insane. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 22, 2019 11:41:28 GMT 1
I reckon we'll sign players and that they'll be loans or frees - can't see us spending a transfer fee this summer. Not a bad thing given last summer's recruitment. I will be absolutely gobsmacked if we don't spend a fee on anyone. That would be insane. Haven’t we just signed Mbenza for a fee? |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on May 22, 2019 12:03:04 GMT 1
We are fucked.
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