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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 12:18:14 GMT 1
We used 31 players this season. That’s too many if you want to build a cohesive football team (especially when you consider these kind of stats are normally skewed by January signings and we only made 2 of those). Try and release some players who won’t feature, and sign players who will play this season has to be the mantra this summer, no Sohbis and Sabiris joining for a future that never arrives please. Loads of injuries, suspensions, players downing tools half way through the season & a new manager looking at players are all big factors in why we used so many players. I don’t really remember loads of injuries or suspensions...nothing out of the ordinary anyway, Regarding the tools downing...that didn’t really create any extra players playing, as Grant would have played irrespective of Depoitre, and Bacuna had already played before Billing gave up. Likewise Diakhaby and Mbenza played under Wagner. All Siewert really looked at was a 3rd keeper where it would be uncommon to use more than 2 in league games across a season. 3 youngsters getting their debut is pretty regular. There was nothing unusual or odd that drove up the number of players we used....all just symbolic of neither manager really knowing what team would be most effective week in week out. One of the managers had a good reason, the other didn’t really 🤷♂️ Brighton, Wolves and Man City, three very different teams, used ten less players than we did...did they have less suspensions and injuries? Bournemouth I think had 10 players out injured and suspended at one stage and they even used less! |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 22, 2019 12:20:14 GMT 1
Is it going to be like 2003/04 relying on the young guns
Time for another calendar?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 12:33:15 GMT 1
Football is broken. Just about money now. Boring.
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Post by townatheart on May 22, 2019 12:52:38 GMT 1
Is it going to be like 2003/04 relying on the young guns Time for another calendar? You liked those young cowboys heh 😋 |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 13:07:35 GMT 1
Loads of injuries, suspensions, players downing tools half way through the season & a new manager looking at players are all big factors in why we used so many players. I don’t really remember loads of injuries or suspensions...nothing out of the ordinary anyway, Regarding the tools downing...that didn’t really create any extra players playing, as Grant would have played irrespective of Depoitre, and Bacuna had already played before Billing gave up. Likewise Diakhaby and Mbenza played under Wagner. All Siewert really looked at was a 3rd keeper where it would be uncommon to use more than 2 in league games across a season. 3 youngsters getting their debut is pretty regular. There was nothing unusual or odd that drove up the number of players we used....all just symbolic of neither manager really knowing what team would be most effective week in week out. One of the managers had a good reason, the other didn’t really 🤷♂️ Brighton, Wolves and Man City, three very different teams, used ten less players than we did...did they have less suspensions and injuries? Bournemouth I think had 10 players out injured and suspended at one stage and they even used less! Downing tools is subjective as we don't know 100% who the culprits are but it's probably quite obvious. Lossl paved the way for both Hamer and Coleman to play Sabiri not being on the bench has given the opportunity for Daly to feature. Hadergjonaj likewise for Dehuaney. Rowe came in when Diakhaby and Mbenza were both out injured. Puncheon came in on loan when most of our midfield were out injured. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on May 22, 2019 13:12:17 GMT 1
Maybe we’ll be ultra frugal and wait for everyone else to fall the way of Bolton. Then mop up the players on lower wages. Nice strategy.
Can’t help but think we’ll do a bit more than the ultra conservative messages coming out of the club but my biggest concern is still our lack of replacement for Webber and who will be making the decisions on those incoming. Let’s face it. Despite the survival in season one of the Prem we’ve had 2 pretty underwhelming years of recruitment.
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Post by Floyds on May 22, 2019 13:24:50 GMT 1
I reckon we'll sign players and that they'll be loans or frees - can't see us spending a transfer fee this summer. Not a bad thing given last summer's recruitment. I will be absolutely gobsmacked if we don't spend a fee on anyone. That would be insane. Maybe there will be one or two similar to the Grant signing - but seriously doubt we’ll be more adventurous than that. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 22, 2019 14:05:50 GMT 1
How can you possibly think that with so many players leaving? We'd barely have even a threadbare squad. We may not bring in the quality level some want, for the reason you describe, but we will need a fair few replacements. I reckon we'll sign players and that they'll be loans or frees - can't see us spending a transfer fee this summer. Not a bad thing given last summer's recruitment. Bet you a drink we pay a fee for at least one player 😀 |
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Post by impact on May 22, 2019 18:14:44 GMT 1
I will be absolutely gobsmacked if we don't spend a fee on anyone. That would be insane. Maybe there will be one or two similar to the Grant signing - but seriously doubt we’ll be more adventurous than that. You mean a signing that would have broken our transfer record the last time we were in the division? |
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Post by impact on May 22, 2019 18:17:41 GMT 1
Is it going to be like 2003/04 relying on the young guns Time for another calendar? "12 reasons to get behind Town" Still can't decide if whoever came up with that is a genius or a total moron. |
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Post by Floyds on May 22, 2019 20:07:13 GMT 1
Maybe there will be one or two similar to the Grant signing - but seriously doubt we’ll be more adventurous than that. You mean a signing that would have broken our transfer record the last time we were in the division? Yeah, when we got promoted with the 3rd lowest wage bill in the division. I know we're hoping lighting strikes twice by appointing a manager from the same place, but still. Our aim when we were last in the division was merely survival and our transfer policy reflected that, outside of the one extraordinary season. I suppose it depends what the expectations are for next season. I don't think we'll spend much (if any) comparatively to other sides in the division and would see mid table as a successful season. |
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Post by Frederick on May 23, 2019 14:05:10 GMT 1
There will not be wholesale or largescale recruitment. Income has fallen massively. Players are released for that reason. It is not a case of freeing funds for more wages. How can you possibly think that with so many players leaving? We'd barely have even a threadbare squad. We may not bring in the quality level some want, for the reason you describe, but we will need a fair few replacements. I think the decision of the man that owns the club trumps fan speculation. There will not be wholesale and numerous signings. |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 23, 2019 15:05:30 GMT 1
Football is broken. Just about money now. Boring. Its a massive influence. Always has been. But if it was just about money, Man City would have won the CL ( they got knocked out by a club that have a net spend less than Town over the past 5 years ). PSG would probably be their opponent in the final. Fulham would have finished in the top half. Burnley would be relegated never mind qualifying for the europa league. So its not all about money just yet. Though man City will put that to the test over the coming years IMO. |
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Post by crux on May 23, 2019 16:55:17 GMT 1
Football is broken. Just about money now. Boring. Its a massive influence. Always has been. But if it was just about money, Man City would have won the CL ( they got knocked out by a club that have a net spend less than Town over the past 5 years ). PSG would probably be their opponent in the final. Fulham would have finished in the top half. Burnley would be relegated never mind qualifying for the europa league. So its not all about money just yet. Though man City will put that to the test over the coming years IMO. To be fair to Man City (not a statement I thought I'd write) now they've spent billions to catch up with the rest of Europe's elite they have been quite limited with purchases recently. They haven't competed on pay/transfer fees with Man Utd, they've identified areas to improve and then found players who fit. Hence Man Utd have Pogba, Mata and Sanchez on stupid money producing almost nothing only Marez appears to have disappointed from City's recent purchases. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 23, 2019 17:01:57 GMT 1
How can you possibly think that with so many players leaving? We'd barely have even a threadbare squad. We may not bring in the quality level some want, for the reason you describe, but we will need a fair few replacements. I think the decision of the man that owns the club trumps fan speculation. There will not be wholesale and numerous signings. Oh right. Hiya Phil. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 23, 2019 17:59:10 GMT 1
Any news on. the loyal speed merchant Sobhi ?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 12:37:29 GMT 1
The growing gap between the Premier League and lower-league clubs has been starkly illustrated by figures that show nearly three quarters of English Football League sides are losing money.
Premier League teams had record revenues of £8.4 billion and 12 of the 20 top-flight clubs made a net profit in 2017-18. By contrast, 52 of the 72 clubs in the Sky Bet Championship, League One and League Two ended the season in the red.
Taking into account all profits and losses, the 20 Premier League clubs made a surplus of £304 million while the 72 EFL teams had a collective net deficit of £388 million.
The financial struggles of lower-league clubs have been brought sharply into focus in the past season. This month Bolton Wanderers became the first English league club since 2013 to go into administration and the situation has resulted in unpaid staff being provided with a food bank. Bury are also in a financial crisis, with players saying they have not been paid for 12 weeks, and the club facing a winding-up petition next month over unpaid taxes.
The biggest losses have occurred in the Championship, with several teams enduring tens of millions of pounds in losses as they chased a place in the lucrative top flight, where income of at least £100 million a season is guaranteed. The four biggest loss- making teams in England were all in the Championship — Birmingham City and Queens Park Rangers, along with Fulham and Wolverhampton Wanderers, who were both promoted to the Premier League.
Derby County have balanced the books by selling their stadium to Mel Morris, the club’s owner, for £80 million, creating an on-paper profit.
Kieran Maguire, a lecturer in football finance at the University of Liverpool, said: “The gap is now so big between the Premier League and the rest that the Championship clubs are prepared to gamble on getting to the Promised Land.
“If you look at it as a three out of 24 chance of winning the lottery then many people might think it’s good odds and so raise the stakes. Club owners who might be sensible in other areas seem to lose their business sanity when it comes to football.”
Maguire said that the financial gap between the Championship and Leagues One and Two was also growing.
An insolvency expert said that most clubs outside the Premier League are technically insolvent and believes that more will go into administration before the end of next season.
“The expenses in terms of player wages are too high and there is not enough income coming in,” the expert said. “It’s unsustainable.”
The situation at Bolton has led to calls for the EFL to toughen its owners’ and directors’ test. Ken Anderson, who bought the club three years ago and paid himself £525,000 in consultancy fees in the first year, had previously been banned as a company director.
He attempted to sell the club to the former Watford owner, Laurence Bassini, who had a three-year ban from any football involvement imposed in March 2013, but was still given the go-ahead by the EFL. The takeover collapsed for other reasons.
Anderson will not end up out of pocket from his time in charge. He is one of several secured creditors who will be paid in full any money owing.
Paul Appleton, the joint administrator of David Rubin and Partners, said that he was hopeful of finding a buyer by the end of June. Interested parties have until 4pm on June 7 to make a declaration of interest and pay a non-refundable £25,000 fee, which will give them access to all the financial information about the club. Four or five potential buyers are expected to pay the fee but they must also provide proof of funds of at least £25 million and have confirmation from the EFL that those involved have passed the owners’ and directors’ test.
Bolton’s players have not been paid since March but have agreed their wages will be deferred until a new owner takes over. “We have had talks with the players via the manager Phil Parkinson,” Appleton said. “They understand the situation and the difficulties we are facing.”
The 92 League clubs ranked in order of profitability
Accounts for last season reveal a gulf in wealth in the English game, with 52 of the 72 EFL clubs losing money.
2017-18 Net profit and loss
1 Tottenham £113m
2 Liverpool £106m
3 Chelsea £62m
4 Arsenal £57m
5 Burnley £37m
6 Southampton £29m
7 Newcastle £19m
8 Hull £19m
9 West Ham £17m
10 Norwich £15m
11 Barnsley £13m
12 Huddersfield £11m
13 Brighton £11m
14 Manchester City £10m
15 Exeter £2.4m
16 Leicester £1m
17 Preston £1m
18 Port Vale £1m
19 Stevenage £0.8m
20 Luton £0.6m
21 Peterborough £0.5m
22 Forest Green £0.4
23 Accrington £0.4m
24 Fleetwood £0.4m
25 Burton £0.3m
26 Shrewsbury £0.3m
27 Gillingham £0.1m
28 Plymouth £0.1m
29 Newport £0.1m
30 Yeovil £0.1m
31 Walsall no profit/loss
32 Barnet no profit/loss
33 Grimsby -£0.04m
34 Cheltenham -£0.1m
35 Carlisle -£0.1m
36 Mansfield -£0.1m
37 Bradford -£0.3m
38 Rochdale -£0.3m
39 Crawley -£0.3m
40 Morecambe -£0.4m
41 Oldham -£0.5m
42 Rotherham -£0.5m
43 Wimbledon -£0.5m
44 Wycombe -£0.7m
45 Crewe -£0.8m
46 Cambridge -£0.8m
47 Chesterfield -£1.1m
48 Lincoln -£1.1m
49 Derby -£1.1m
50 Portsmouth -£1.4m
51 Notts County -£1.5m
52 Swindon -£1.8m
53 Sheffield Utd -£1.9m
54 Northampton -£2m
55 Oxford -£2m
56 Blackpool -£2.1m
57 Coventry -£2.5m
58 Doncaster -£2.8m
59 Bury -£2.8m
60 Swansea -£3m
61 Southend -£3.1m
62 Colchester -£3m
63 Bristol Rovers -£3m
64 Scunthorpe -£3.6m
65 Brentford -£3.9m
66 Leeds -£4.3m
67 MK Dons -£4.6m
68 Millwall -£4.6m
69 Ipswich -£5.2m
70 Bolton -£5.4m
71 Nottingham Forest -£5.6m
72 West Brom -£6m
73 Middlesbrough -£6.6m
74 Wigan -£7.7m
75 Sunderland -£10.2m
76 Charlton -£10.4m
77 Bournemouth -£11m
78 Everton -£13m
79 Blackburn -£16.8m
80 Reading -£21m
81 Sheffield Wed -£21m
82 Bristol City -£25m
83 Watford -£31m
84 Stoke -£32m
85 Aston Villa -£35m
86 Cardiff -£36m
87 Crystal Palace -£36m
88 Manchester Utd -£37m
89 Birmingham -£37m
90 QPR -£38m
91 Fulham -£45m
92 Wolves -£57m
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Post by royrace on May 24, 2019 13:33:47 GMT 1
Interesting article, Burnley showing how it should have been done, way better squad than Towns and still extremely profitable.
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Post by CaptainHart on May 24, 2019 13:45:50 GMT 1
Interesting article, Burnley showing how it should have been done, way better squad than Towns and still extremely profitable. Having spent four of the last five seasons in the Premier League with parachute payments in their season out. |
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Post by royrace on May 24, 2019 18:48:23 GMT 1
Interesting article, Burnley showing how it should have been done, way better squad than Towns and still extremely profitable. Having spent four of the last five seasons in the Premier League with parachute payments in their season out. Yes of course but still showing teams how it could/should/can be done. Meanwhile we return to the championship requiring more or less a whole new team saddled with a load of expensive dross unwilling and unsuitable for championship football. Town have shown how not to do it, along with Fulham of course who are the prime example! Luckily for them they have a billionaire in charge who will probably make sure they go straight back up. Not so for Town, I just hope the opportunity pl football has given the club to step up a level won’t be wasted. Anyhow nice to see it can be done by the likes of Burnley. |
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Post by arry11 on May 24, 2019 20:11:22 GMT 1
Having spent four of the last five seasons in the Premier League with parachute payments in their season out. Yes of course but still showing teams how it could/should/can be done. Meanwhile we return to the championship requiring more or less a whole new team saddled with a load of expensive dross unwilling and unsuitable for championship football. Town have shown how not to do it, along with Fulham of course who are the prime example! Luckily for them they have a billionaire in charge who will probably make sure they go straight back up. Not so for Town, I just hope the opportunity pl football has given the club to step up a level won’t be wasted. Anyhow nice to see it can be done by the likes of Burnley. Burnley struggled after relegation and just escaped relegation again we took some crap of them. |
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Post by hthtafs on May 27, 2019 8:30:32 GMT 1
There will not be wholesale or largescale recruitment. Income has fallen massively. Players are released for that reason. It is not a case of freeing funds for more wages. Hi, I am pretty well versed in Towns finances. the 40% wage reductions all players have in their contracts means Town wages are covered by the parachute payments plus a bit left over. Town first season parachute payment should be £48.4Million. Town wages in the Prem was £64Million. A reduction of 40% brings it down to £38.4Million. That would have included the released players. We have transfer money/wage space available immediately. All signs are this will be used prudently and carefully. I do expect a larger turnover and around 6-8 new recruits because some players are just too good to play in the Championship (Mooy), some hae made clear they wish to move on Lossl gone, Billing clearly indicated he's off and so on. Then there will also players who will not want the £40 pay cut and will have their agents organizing a move. Finally Jan wants to shape a new team, his own team. All good things end. The Wagner era was the greatest I've known and I hope something similar but different with Jan's stewardship. I think your numbers a pretty much accurate if the parachute payments are retained by the club.... I strongly suspect however they will be used to buy DH out . |
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