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Post by Jello Biafra on May 22, 2019 15:06:44 GMT 1
Anyone know a 'John Brook' from Edgerton? According to the Examiner (yes, I know...) this arsehole has just acquired a 3 year football ban (plus a fine) for racially abusing a Liverpool player at Town's recent match at Anfield. What a c***.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 22, 2019 15:12:17 GMT 1
I saw folk at anfield with rage in their eyes .. why ? Because we were shit ? Because we couldn't go 16 seconds without scoring ? Nah .... because the guy having us on a plate was a Muslim
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 15:18:05 GMT 1
I saw folk at anfield with rage in their eyes .. why ? Because we were shit ? Because we couldn't go 16 seconds without scoring ? Nah .... because the guy having us on a plate was a Muslim Welcome to 21st century Britain what a sad reflection that is as for theman concerned waste of space |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 22, 2019 15:19:19 GMT 1
I saw folk at anfield with rage in their eyes .. why ? Because we were shit ? Because we couldn't go 16 seconds without scoring ? Nah .... because the guy having us on a plate was a Muslim Welcome to 21st century Britain what a sad reflection that is as for theman concerned waste of space And not someone barely out of nursery. He's 54 years old for god sake. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 15:27:31 GMT 1
what a sad reflection that is as for theman concerned waste of space And not someone barely out of nursery. He's 54 years old for god sake.
I think that's the problem. Many of a certain age can't seem to embrace multi-culturalism. Racism engrained in them at a young age and too blinkered to change their outlook. Look at the buffoons at Chelsea that were identified abusing Sterling. Of a very similar age.
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Post by rastrick32 on May 22, 2019 15:42:21 GMT 1
I'm not sure here is the right place to discuss this. I know the story is in the public domain and it sounds horrendous but folk weighing in should perhaps refrain from personal abuse. Who knows what effect this may have?
There is also a wider picture at play here. He may have a partner who is innocent. He will have family and friends, some of whom may be on here. Demonising one bloke will not eradicate the problem. He's been caught, tried and sentenced. Maybe this should be the end of it.
Cheers all.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 22, 2019 16:12:47 GMT 1
I saw folk at anfield with rage in their eyes .. why ? Because we were shit ? Because we couldn't go 16 seconds without scoring ? Nah .... because the guy having us on a plate was a Muslim Welcome to 21st century Britain I haven't read any details about this sad event. I am sure it is well documented but 'all the folk with rage in their eyes'...how do you know it was because the guy having us on a plate was muslim? How do you know it wasn't just because we were shit? |
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Post by royrace on May 22, 2019 16:13:11 GMT 1
I saw folk at anfield with rage in their eyes .. why ? Because we were shit ? Because we couldn't go 16 seconds without scoring ? Nah .... because the guy having us on a plate was a Muslim
Welcome to 21st century Britain Really? To be honest I doubt that's true. Sounds sensationalist. Sorry but I find it hard to believe Town fans would be raging because Salah is a muslim! One a-hole has been caught and prosecuted for making racist remarks it seems but lets not tar tens/hundreds/thousands of Town fans with the same brush eh. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 22, 2019 16:15:06 GMT 1
I saw folk at anfield with rage in their eyes .. why ? Because we were shit ? Because we couldn't go 16 seconds without scoring ? Nah .... because the guy having us on a plate was a Muslim Welcome to 21st century Britain I haven't read any details about this sad event. I am sure it is well documented but 'all the folk with rage in their eyes'...how do you know it was because the guy having us on a plate was muslim? How do you know it wasn't just because we were shit? Because they weren't shouting " we're shit " . They were racially abusing Mo Salah |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 22, 2019 16:16:09 GMT 1
I saw folk at anfield with rage in their eyes .. why ? Because we were shit ? Because we couldn't go 16 seconds without scoring ? Nah .... because the guy having us on a plate was a Muslim
Welcome to 21st century Britain Really? To be honest I doubt that's true. Sounds sensationalist. Sorry but I find it hard to believe Town fans would be raging because Salah is a muslim! One a-hole has been caught and prosecuted for making racist remarks it seems but lets not tar tens/hundreds/thousands of Town fans with the same brush eh. I was there.. I stood near the guy in question but there were others too . It was embarrassing |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 22, 2019 16:21:03 GMT 1
I haven't read any details about this sad event. I am sure it is well documented but 'all the folk with rage in their eyes'...how do you know it was because the guy having us on a plate was muslim? How do you know it wasn't just because we were shit? Because they weren't shouting " we're shit " . They were racially abusing Mo Salah Sorry but you can't speak on behalf of everyone who was angry that night. You are just generalising. I get your point, i saw a few idiots who had obviously decided to shout some uneducated garbage. I was with my mate, he was fuming and definitely had rage in his eyes. He isn't racist and didn't say anything racially abusive. Neither did i. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 22, 2019 16:25:36 GMT 1
He must have plenty of brass if he lives in Edgerton, not really sure it's the kind of place you associate with right wing football hooligans, the leafy streets and Victorian villas of Edgerton.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 22, 2019 16:28:04 GMT 1
He must have plenty of brass if he lives in Edgerton, not really sure it's the kind of place you associate with right wing football hooligans, the leafy streets and Victorian villas of Edgerton. Edgerton, closer to town centre, is nothing to write home about. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 22, 2019 16:28:58 GMT 1
Because they weren't shouting " we're shit " . They were racially abusing Mo Salah Sorry but you can't speak on behalf of everyone who was angry that night. You are just generalising. I get your point, i saw a few idiots who had obviously decided to shout some uneducated garbage. I was with my mate, he was fuming and definitely had rage in his eyes. He isn't racist and didn't say anything racially abusive. Neither did i. There were plenty of town fans getting all red faced shouting stuff at mo Salah. I'm sure there were others also just pissed off with town .. I'm not saying all town fans were racially abusing salah obviously. Not sure why anyone would feel the need though it's absolutely vile |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 22, 2019 16:29:19 GMT 1
Because they weren't shouting " we're shit " . They were racially abusing Mo Salah Sorry but you can't speak on behalf of everyone who was angry that night. You are just generalising. I get your point, i saw a few idiots who had obviously decided to shout some uneducated garbage. I was with my mate, he was fuming and definitely had rage in his eyes. He isn't racist and didn't say anything racially abusive. Neither did i. There were plenty of town fans getting all red faced shouting stuff at mo Salah. I'm sure there were others also just pissed off with town .. I'm not saying all town fans were racially abusing salah obviously. Not sure why anyone would feel the need though it's absolutely vile |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 16:29:22 GMT 1
I saw folk at anfield with rage in their eyes .. why ? Because we were shit ? Because we couldn't go 16 seconds without scoring ? Nah .... because the guy having us on a plate was a Muslim
Welcome to 21st century Britain Really? To be honest I doubt that's true. Sounds sensationalist. Sorry but I find it hard to believe Town fans would be raging because Salah is a muslim! One a-hole has been caught and prosecuted for making racist remarks it seems but lets not tar tens/hundreds/thousands of Town fans with the same brush eh. Couldn't agree more, as for using many of, 'a certain age' can't accept multi-culturalism as someone has, that's also a slur on many of, 'a certain age'. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 16:31:15 GMT 1
Really? To be honest I doubt that's true. Sounds sensationalist. Sorry but I find it hard to believe Town fans would be raging because Salah is a muslim! One a-hole has been caught and prosecuted for making racist remarks it seems but lets not tar tens/hundreds/thousands of Town fans with the same brush eh. I was there.. I stood near the guy in question but there were others too . It was embarrassing What's being Muslim got to do with racial abuse? Please enlighten as you were present ? |
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Post by Wingman on May 22, 2019 16:32:01 GMT 1
I'm not sure here is the right place to discuss this. I know the story is in the public domain and it sounds horrendous but folk weighing in should perhaps refrain from personal abuse. Who knows what effect this may have? There is also a wider picture at play here. He may have a partner who is innocent. He will have family and friends, some of whom may be on here. Demonising one bloke will not eradicate the problem. He's been caught, tried and sentenced. Maybe this should be the end of it. Cheers all. Whoever he is, if he HAS behaved in this way it needs addressing. By suggesting it is not discussed is merely burying heads in sand. The topic is a major issue in society, and no he doesn't need naming, but the issue can be discussed. It's disgraceful that in this day and age this still goes on. And I wholeheartedly agree it is a generational thing. But sadly the younger end that do partake in this behaviour are too thick and ignorant to understand what they are doing. I would be mortified if my children behaved in this way. Sadly this kind of behaviour plays into the hands of extremists who then radicalise innocent minds by portraying all of society as a menace out to persecute. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 22, 2019 16:36:07 GMT 1
I haven't read any details about this sad event. I am sure it is well documented but 'all the folk with rage in their eyes'...how do you know it was because the guy having us on a plate was muslim? How do you know it wasn't just because we were shit? Because they weren't shouting " we're shit " . They were racially abusing Mo Salah I know it still goes on but the over reaction such as welcome to 21st century britain and the hand wringing is not helpful or constructive or even a true reflection of where 'we' are in relation to a few years ago and we are light years ahead of the rest of Europe.. things do not change overnight, hundreds if not thousands of years of evolution do not change in what in terms of the world is a blink of an eye.. I am not condoning or making light of the issue but as with most human reactions and actions it will take time.. I even give the Labour party and its supporters some 'time' to sort out their long held and deeply ingrained hates.. We work on all fronts to change 'society' and its values.. From someone who had to point a weapon and more sometimes, at people to stop them killing each other over race/religion... We can sort out berks who shout shit without joining them in stupid and inflamatory over reactions.. He shouted shit, he got arrested and found guilty... we will have to continue doing so for some time...There will be another large influx of foreign players this summer, they clearly see the country and its opportunities as incredibly worthwhile, even with its problems.. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on May 22, 2019 16:38:34 GMT 1
It's amazing really how people who attended the same match as you can have such widely differing matchday experiences - our first visit to the KC at Hull for example, we walked back to our car and saw nothing untoward at all, yet in the main car park there was a 20 minute full on battle raging, while the police stood by filming events, the first I knew of it was the following Monday.
Back to Anfield last month, I posted in the match thread about a bloke stood near me giving James Milner "stick" every time he came near while warming up and that he actually laughed at one particular comment alleging both him and Beeston weren't very good, certainly didn't hear a single racist comment from anyone, not saying those that did are wrong just pointing out how people have different experiences depending on where they go and where they sit.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 16:43:22 GMT 1
I'm not sure here is the right place to discuss this. I know the story is in the public domain and it sounds horrendous but folk weighing in should perhaps refrain from personal abuse. Who knows what effect this may have? There is also a wider picture at play here. He may have a partner who is innocent. He will have family and friends, some of whom may be on here. Demonising one bloke will not eradicate the problem. He's been caught, tried and sentenced. Maybe this should be the end of it. Cheers all. Whoever he is, if he HAS behaved in this way it needs addressing. By suggesting it is not discussed is merely burying heads in sand. The topic is a major issue in society, and no he doesn't need naming, but the issue can be discussed. It's disgraceful that in this day and age this still goes on. And I wholeheartedly agree it is a generational thing. But sadly the younger end that do partake in this behaviour are too thick and ignorant to understand what they are doing. I would be mortified if my children behaved in this way. Sadly this kind of behaviour plays into the hands of extremists who then radicalise innocent minds by portraying all of society as a menace out to persecute. I agree, except if you land in court you will be named and if guilty, tough as it may be on family, that should have been his concern not ours. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 22, 2019 17:24:13 GMT 1
Whoever he is, if he HAS behaved in this way it needs addressing. By suggesting it is not discussed is merely burying heads in sand. The topic is a major issue in society, and no he doesn't need naming, but the issue can be discussed. It's disgraceful that in this day and age this still goes on. And I wholeheartedly agree it is a generational thing. But sadly the younger end that do partake in this behaviour are too thick and ignorant to understand what they are doing. I would be mortified if my children behaved in this way. Sadly this kind of behaviour plays into the hands of extremists who then radicalise innocent minds by portraying all of society as a menace out to persecute. I agree, except if you land in court you will be named and if guilty, tough as it may be on family, that should have been his concern not ours. his family, if not involved in the offence, have a right to a private family life, same as anyone else, human rights? by the way, we do not need to be portrayed as the enemy because a few shout abuse etc, the 'teachings of some religion' sees everything we do or say in the Western culture as an offence against God.. lets not try putting the blame for anything violent that has happened at the doors of a few sad sacks.. the fundamentalist does not require a 'very' earthly reason to hate us.. We 'persecute' them by them having to live on the same planet as the non believers.. Our historical and even recent forays abroad had nothing to do with football matches but are some reasoning for todays problems.. Bloke broke the law, was found guilty same as if he had stolen something..him stealing does not incite others to join in, the berks just have to get used to the law, you may never change some people's attitudes or inner held opinions...We lock people up every day but they go and do it again and others come along.. What people think to themselves or believe is their own business, the law is there to stop them taking those thoughts/beliefs onto the streets.. Shout they need 'educating' but we have been educating people for centuries but without the weight of the law and using it, its never going to work.. The 'weight' of public opinion is its own weapon against this type of incident and its working pretty well in most cases.. Put people in large groups and you will always get the one's who will use the numbers to either take protest too far or even break the law and that includes 'nice, caring people'... We are trying to change the human nature in people and as we have never stopped murder, theft, sex crimes etc the idea of stopping the racist etc abuser/hater overnight seems even less likely, no matter how 'appalled' we are.. This bloke was daft enough to do it in the open and has been convicted, the huge numbers of racists/religious haters who live and breathe it but behind closed doors or in their own 'communities' are more worrying.. perspective required.. My mate was at a cricket match the other day sat close to a section of supporters, he does speak the lingo, some of it was quite nasty some was meant to be jokey.. I go back to crowds and sometimes how they affect people, especially if an event or a game is not going their way..?? Use the law...nirvhana will take a while.. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 22, 2019 17:27:13 GMT 1
The notion that racially abusing someone is "human nature " is just preposterous
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on May 22, 2019 18:08:08 GMT 1
Admins should lock this IMO. There's nothing to be gained from saying stuff about the guy when he's serving his punishment, nothing to be gained from debating the minutiae and nuances of racism when so many on here have previously shown to be lacking in understanding the basics, and nothing to be gained from disputing each others version of events when its impossible and ultimately pointless to prove anything.
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Post by Lard Buttie on May 22, 2019 18:49:03 GMT 1
Anyone listen to Danny Rose and Peter Crouch on that mental health programme the other night?  That's what impact it has on players, young or old. |
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Post by gymroidspump on May 22, 2019 18:49:23 GMT 1
Never heard of him but I'll buy him a pint when I see him 🍻
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Post by Champers on May 22, 2019 18:54:04 GMT 1
Never heard of him but I'll buy him a pint when I see him 🍻 Turkey references on the Leeds thread, celebrating somebody who has been punished for racial abuse..., I'll happily buy a pint for the admin who eventually bins you off. |
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Post by gymroidspump on May 22, 2019 18:55:11 GMT 1
Never heard of him but I'll buy him a pint when I see him 🍻 Turkey references on the Leeds thread, celebrating somebody who has been punished for racial abuse..., I'll happily buy a pint for the admin who eventually bins you off. I love a good social media lynching. If you have a problem with this bloke from Edgerton why dont you say it to his face next time you see it, tough guy? |
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Post by nicovaesen on May 22, 2019 19:01:34 GMT 1
I was there.. I stood near the guy in question but there were others too . It was embarrassing What's being Muslim got to do with racial abuse? Please enlighten as you were present ? Being Muslim is like being Christian it’s not a race just a belief system. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 22, 2019 19:04:07 GMT 1
Admins should lock this IMO. There's nothing to be gained from saying stuff about the guy when he's serving his punishment, nothing to be gained from debating the minutiae and nuances of racism when so many on here have previously shown to be lacking in understanding the basics, and nothing to be gained from disputing each others version of events when its impossible and ultimately pointless to prove anything. No they shouldn’t. They probably will but they shouldn’t. It should be discussed. There is nothing gained from silencing everyone discussing any topic, this is how we understand how people tick and have a grown up adult discussion about the world today. |
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