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Post by Champers on May 22, 2019 19:09:02 GMT 1
Turkey references on the Leeds thread, celebrating somebody who has been punished for racial abuse..., I'll happily buy a pint for the admin who eventually bins you off. I love a good social media lynching. If you have a problem with this bloke from Edgerton why dont you say it to his face next time you see it, tough guy? I've not even mentioned my views on this bloke. Only that I'm getting sick of seeing you get away with posting deliberately inflammatory shit on here. Behave like a prick, and I'll talk to you as such. Tough guy. |
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Post by rastrick32 on May 22, 2019 19:09:36 GMT 1
I'm not sure here is the right place to discuss this. I know the story is in the public domain and it sounds horrendous but folk weighing in should perhaps refrain from personal abuse. Who knows what effect this may have? There is also a wider picture at play here. He may have a partner who is innocent. He will have family and friends, some of whom may be on here. Demonising one bloke will not eradicate the problem. He's been caught, tried and sentenced. Maybe this should be the end of it. Cheers all. Whoever he is, if he HAS behaved in this way it needs addressing. By suggesting it is not discussed is merely burying heads in sand. The topic is a major issue in society, and no he doesn't need naming, but the issue can be discussed. It's disgraceful that in this day and age this still goes on. And I wholeheartedly agree it is a generational thing. But sadly the younger end that do partake in this behaviour are too thick and ignorant to understand what they are doing. I would be mortified if my children behaved in this way. Sadly this kind of behaviour plays into the hands of extremists who then radicalise innocent minds by portraying all of society as a menace out to persecute. I NEVER said don't discuss it. I said not to pile in and abuse the individual. He was very wrong in what he did but he may be in a very vulnerable place at the moment and I think a bunch of blokes c***-bombing him isn't the way forward. |
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Post by gymroidspump on May 22, 2019 19:11:31 GMT 1
I love a good social media lynching. If you have a problem with this bloke from Edgerton why dont you say it to his face next time you see it, tough guy? I've not even mentioned my views on this bloke. Only that I'm getting sick of seeing you get away with posting deliberately inflammatory shit on here. Behave like a prick, and I'll talk to you as such. Tough guy. Its subjective. You're the one taking it upon yourself to get offended. Have I ever insinuated you're behaving like a prick, irrespective of if I think you are one or not? I may take offence to that and report you to admin |
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Post by gymroidspump on May 22, 2019 19:15:27 GMT 1
Whoever he is, if he HAS behaved in this way it needs addressing. By suggesting it is not discussed is merely burying heads in sand. The topic is a major issue in society, and no he doesn't need naming, but the issue can be discussed. It's disgraceful that in this day and age this still goes on. And I wholeheartedly agree it is a generational thing. But sadly the younger end that do partake in this behaviour are too thick and ignorant to understand what they are doing. I would be mortified if my children behaved in this way. Sadly this kind of behaviour plays into the hands of extremists who then radicalise innocent minds by portraying all of society as a menace out to persecute. I NEVER said don't discuss it. I said not to pile in and abuse the individual. He was very wrong in what he did but he may be in a very vulnerable place at the moment and I think a bunch of blokes c***-bombing him isn't the way forward. You mean the hard men from DATM 😂 Be very suspicious of those who take the moral high ground. Doth protest too much! Probably got enough to hide themselves |
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Post by Mecha Corte on May 22, 2019 19:17:01 GMT 1
The notion that racially abusing someone is "human nature " is just preposterous I'm sure that you genuinely believe your statement, Iikewise I'm a 100% certain it's wrong. I'm not looking for an argument or to get involved in an increasingly abusive slanging match about it with you, there's a whole raft of nature vs nurture to debate but all I would say is take a group of young kids, they instinctively form groups and if you're the odd one out, for whatever reason, too tall, or too fat, or you stammer, or you've got a squint, or you're ginger or you've got different coloured skin to the pack then you will be picked on. It's by definition human nature and it cuts both ways, a solitary white boy in a school in Africa will fare just as badly as a solitary black boy in a school in Northern Europe. Things aren't perfect, there are some awful people out there, but in general we're getting better, it took his suicide and a 60 year wait for Alan Turring to get a Royal Pardon for his crime of homosexuality and most of us on DATM will remember pubs with "men only" tap rooms and signs in the window saying "No Blacks, No Travellers." Like I say we are learning but we are learning to overcome our human nature. |
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Post by Champers on May 22, 2019 19:23:56 GMT 1
I've not even mentioned my views on this bloke. Only that I'm getting sick of seeing you get away with posting deliberately inflammatory shit on here. Behave like a prick, and I'll talk to you as such. Tough guy. Its subjective. You're the one taking it upon yourself to get offended. Have I ever insinuated you're behaving like a prick, irrespective of if I think you are one or not? I may take offence to that and report you to admin Crack on then big lad |
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on May 22, 2019 19:25:46 GMT 1
Anyone know a 'John Brook' from Edgerton? According to the Examiner (yes, I know...) this arsehole has just acquired a 3 year football ban (plus a fine) for racially abusing a Liverpool player at Town's recent match at Anfield. What a c***.  are you to be posting on a public forum a persons name and where they are from. The said person has been dealt with but some!people deem it fit to have a go because they can hide, yes hide behind a keyboard. He has got what he deserves so dont try on be the big hard man, this is what is wrong with social media, people being judge and jury. |
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Post by gymroidspump on May 22, 2019 19:29:13 GMT 1
Its subjective. You're the one taking it upon yourself to get offended. Have I ever insinuated you're behaving like a prick, irrespective of if I think you are one or not? I may take offence to that and report you to admin Crack on then big lad You don't think like me so you should be banned from the forum |
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Post by terriers321 on May 22, 2019 19:41:52 GMT 1
Anyone know a 'John Brook' from Edgerton? According to the Examiner (yes, I know...) this arsehole has just acquired a 3 year football ban (plus a fine) for racially abusing a Liverpool player at Town's recent match at Anfield. What a c***. are you to be posting on a public forum a persons name and where they are from. The said person has been dealt with but some!people deem it fit to have a go because they can hide, yes hide behind a keyboard. He has got what he deserves so dont try on be the big hard man, this is what is wrong with social media, people being judge and jury. Bang on. Ain't half some self righteous toads on here. |
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Post by 28901 on May 22, 2019 19:49:59 GMT 1
Anyone know a 'John Brook' from Edgerton? According to the Examiner (yes, I know...) this arsehole has just acquired a 3 year football ban (plus a fine) for racially abusing a Liverpool player at Town's recent match at Anfield. What a c***. are you to be posting on a public forum a persons name and where they are from. The said person has been dealt with but some!people deem it fit to have a go because they can hide, yes hide behind a keyboard. He has got what he deserves so dont try on be the big hard man, this is what is wrong with social media, people being judge and jury. They're not being judge and jury. The magistrate has already done that bit and the Examiner has named him. It is perfectly acceptable to pass comment on a case. Justice seen to be done. Fundamental part of our system. |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 22, 2019 20:34:51 GMT 1
What's being Muslim got to do with racial abuse? Please enlighten as you were present ? Being Muslim is like being Christian it’s not a race just a belief system. Youre wasting your time with that one! Some people are just determined to not get their heads round that fact. Muslims are all sorts of races, just like Christians are all sorts of races. Believing in something isn't a race. Its like saying people who believe in little green men in UFOs are a race and if you insult them for it, youre being racist. Do people think if someones christian and they change to being muslim, they also change their race at the same time? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 22, 2019 20:43:04 GMT 1
The notion that racially abusing someone is "human nature " is just preposterous I'm sure that you genuinely believe your statement, Iikewise I'm a 100% certain it's wrong. I'm not looking for an argument or to get involved in an increasingly abusive slanging match about it with you, there's a whole raft of nature vs nurture to debate but all I would say is take a group of young kids, they instinctively form groups and if you're the odd one out, for whatever reason, too tall, or too fat, or you stammer, or you've got a squint, or you're ginger or you've got different coloured skin to the pack then you will be picked on. It's by definition human nature and it cuts both ways, a solitary white boy in a school in Africa will fare just as badly as a solitary black boy in a school in Northern Europe. Things aren't perfect, there are some awful people out there, but in general we're getting better, it took his suicide and a 60 year wait for Alan Turring to get a Royal Pardon for his crime of homosexuality and most of us on DATM will remember pubs with "men only" tap rooms and signs in the window saying "No Blacks, No Travellers." Like I say we are learning but we are learning to overcome our human nature. If it's " human nature " then everyone would do it surely? I've never done it nor ever felt the inclination. I've observed that trait in many people. Are you saying we are all suppressing our desire to shout "paki " or whatever ? You've then given a really good example about how peer groups feed off each other to attack minorities . This isn't "natural " . They weren't doing it as toddlers.its learnt and conditioned behaviour. Also a bit sad that you want to join a discussion but preface your response about "increasingly abusive slanting matches " ... if that's your opinion mate then go for it.. But obviously you're wrong. If you think we came out of the womb naturally prejudiced towards people with ginger hair then there isn't really a basis for reasonable discussion |
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Post by frankslegs on May 22, 2019 21:13:43 GMT 1
A silly unnecessary post for me-but please don’t use Multi cultural society.We never will be....We are a series of mono cultures that hang on to their respective groups.Its a greater understanding of these groupings over the years that’s stopped my youngest son being called queer,my nephew a Spaz and shows like Love Thy Neighbour being scrapped thank God.And in fairness to old Huddersfield in the 60,s when I grew up in Dalton there was a respect for the very strong Polish,Iriish and Caribbean communities even to the point of a local team being called Black Stars getting no grief at all just respect for some of the best footballers in Huddersfield at that time. For what it’s worth I think current Huddersfield people are 99% fair minded and odd Neanderthals such as at Liverpool will alaways be around .
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Post by Mecha Corte on May 22, 2019 21:19:44 GMT 1
If it's " human nature " then everyone would do it surely? I've never done it nor ever felt the inclination. I've observed that trait in many people. Are you saying we are all suppressing our desire to shout "paki " or whatever ? You've then given a really good example about how peer groups feed off each other to attack minorities . This isn't "natural " . They weren't doing it as toddlers.its learnt and conditioned behaviour. Also a bit sad that you want to join a discussion but preface your response about "increasingly abusive slanting matches " ... if that's your opinion mate then go for it.. But obviously you're wrong. If you think we came out of the womb naturally prejudiced towards people with ginger hair then there isn't really a basis for reasonable discussion I did say I don't want to get into a slanging match with you and despite your attempts to provoke one I stand by that. You're entitled to your opinions just as much as I'm entitled to mine and in my opinion you are wrong, it's not a crime, some people used to believe the world was flat, some voted leave, some remain, it takes all sorts, its just there's no need for you to be obnoxious and arsey about it. |
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Post by ritchie on May 22, 2019 21:35:43 GMT 1
can't believe this absolute cretin roidpumper is still allowed to post on here
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 22, 2019 21:40:58 GMT 1
The notion that racially abusing someone is "human nature " is just preposterous hate is human nature as much as love is..we spent thousands of years honing the hate for anyone who is different in looks/language, and then anything else we have 'invented' to make people 'different to us'... if you are asking for everyone to ignore that human nature and to see everyone the same you are ignoring all the differences we have placed in the way of that.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 22:49:48 GMT 1
I'm sure that you genuinely believe your statement, Iikewise I'm a 100% certain it's wrong. I'm not looking for an argument or to get involved in an increasingly abusive slanging match about it with you, there's a whole raft of nature vs nurture to debate but all I would say is take a group of young kids, they instinctively form groups and if you're the odd one out, for whatever reason, too tall, or too fat, or you stammer, or you've got a squint, or you're ginger or you've got different coloured skin to the pack then you will be picked on. It's by definition human nature and it cuts both ways, a solitary white boy in a school in Africa will fare just as badly as a solitary black boy in a school in Northern Europe. Things aren't perfect, there are some awful people out there, but in general we're getting better, it took his suicide and a 60 year wait for Alan Turring to get a Royal Pardon for his crime of homosexuality and most of us on DATM will remember pubs with "men only" tap rooms and signs in the window saying "No Blacks, No Travellers." Like I say we are learning but we are learning to overcome our human nature. If it's " human nature " then everyone would do it surely? I've never done it nor ever felt the inclination. I've observed that trait in many people. Are you saying we are all suppressing our desire to shout "paki " or whatever ? You've then given a really good example about how peer groups feed off each other to attack minorities . This isn't "natural " . They weren't doing it as toddlers.its learnt and conditioned behaviour. Also a bit sad that you want to join a discussion but preface your response about "increasingly abusive slanting matches " ... if that's your opinion mate then go for it.. But obviously you're wrong. If you think we came out of the womb naturally prejudiced towards people with ginger hair then there isn't really a basis for reasonable discussion Yes, we as educated people suppress thoughts, desires, actions etc. Children don't have the inhibitions of adults until they have acquired perspectives. Some perspectives are undesirable & best restrained. Calling me a carrot top was not a good move when I was 4 as I perceived the insult, but the bloke got away with it as he was 4 foot taller than a shy naive me. Calling me Christian might have been perceived better, but I was 4 & naive. Being called a milk bottle has been very common in my life, but water off duck's back in comparison to being called a Christian now. What still intrigues me is how comments regarding Mo Salah being Muslim is racist? I ask again, as you were there, please enlighten? |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 23:42:53 GMT 1
Being Muslim is like being Christian it’s not a race just a belief system. Youre wasting your time with that one! Some people are just determined to not get their heads round that fact. Muslims are all sorts of races, just like Christians are all sorts of races. Believing in something isn't a race. Its like saying people who believe in little green men in UFOs are a race and if you insult them for it, youre being racist. Do people think if someones christian and they change to being muslim, they also change their race at the same time? But to be clear...just as it’s not acceptable to threaten, bully or incite hatred to another human of different ethnicity because of that ethnicity, it’s also not morally acceptable to direct hate and bile at an individual because of their religion. Or indeed, their sex, hair colour, body shape, smell, intelligence, licentiousness or any other facet which is different from your own that you decide to narrow mindedly attack. And...it happens to be a crime in the UK to direct hate or violence at someone because of their race OR religion. I do find it to be pretty nasty behaviour for a non religious person to belittle or ridicule someone’s belief system, whether that’s a following of a god or gods, dedication to Jedi lifestyle or worshipping little green men. What’s wrong with being nice to people if they don’t impact you negatively (and even if they do). I’m about as far away from religious as ifs possible to get, but I’ve had some really interesting debates on the subjects of Sikhism, Judaism, Buddhism and Christianity over the years. You don’t have to be religious to respect and appreciate that others might believe in fairy tales and that they use that to try and lead a better life. (by “you”, I don’t mean you Captainslapper , I mean a general random bigot ) |
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Post by Porrohman on May 23, 2019 0:16:02 GMT 1
Anyone know a 'John Brook' from Edgerton? According to the Examiner (yes, I know...) this arsehole has just acquired a 3 year football ban (plus a fine) for racially abusing a Liverpool player at Town's recent match at Anfield. What a c***. are you to be posting on a public forum a persons name and where they are from. The said person has been dealt with but some!people deem it fit to have a go because they can hide, yes hide behind a keyboard. He has got what he deserves so dont try on be the big hard man, this is what is wrong with social media, people being judge and jury. You realise the story is on the Examiner website, FB page and Twitter ? Jello isn't "outing" the bloke on here, it's already in the media. |
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Post by townrwe on May 23, 2019 6:08:17 GMT 1
I'm sure that you genuinely believe your statement, Iikewise I'm a 100% certain it's wrong. I'm not looking for an argument or to get involved in an increasingly abusive slanging match about it with you, there's a whole raft of nature vs nurture to debate but all I would say is take a group of young kids, they instinctively form groups and if you're the odd one out, for whatever reason, too tall, or too fat, or you stammer, or you've got a squint, or you're ginger or you've got different coloured skin to the pack then you will be picked on. It's by definition human nature and it cuts both ways, a solitary white boy in a school in Africa will fare just as badly as a solitary black boy in a school in Northern Europe. Things aren't perfect, there are some awful people out there, but in general we're getting better, it took his suicide and a 60 year wait for Alan Turring to get a Royal Pardon for his crime of homosexuality and most of us on DATM will remember pubs with "men only" tap rooms and signs in the window saying "No Blacks, No Travellers." Like I say we are learning but we are learning to overcome our human nature. If it's " human nature " then everyone would do it surely? I've never done it nor ever felt the inclination. I've observed that trait in many people. Are you saying we are all suppressing our desire to shout "paki " or whatever ? You've then given a really good example about how peer groups feed off each other to attack minorities . This isn't "natural " . They weren't doing it as toddlers.its learnt and conditioned behaviour. Also a bit sad that you want to join a discussion but preface your response about "increasingly abusive slanting matches " ... if that's your opinion mate then go for it.. But obviously you're wrong. If you think we came out of the womb naturally prejudiced towards people with ginger hair then there isn't really a basis for reasonable discussion Yet I bet you live In a predominately white area? What was the basis for this learned behaviour or is it partly nature? I surround myself with like minded people and deplore racits particularly whilst also been a nationalist proud to be British. It's a combination of nature and nurture and like the original post says it cuts both ways. Communities/races tend to stick together and live in predominately single race areas. I wonder who you would save (not particularly aimed at you chips) if you had two people of the same sex, age, appearance, etc in a burning building, you could only save one, but each was equally accessible. The only difference between them was one matched your race and the other was of different race? Well over 50% would save the same race, I'd hazard a guess at over 90%. So in its primitive form it's the nurture of familiarity and a pack mentality that feeds racism, but would saving one of your own be even racist or is it just human nature? |
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Post by El Mel on May 23, 2019 6:20:54 GMT 1
If it's " human nature " then everyone would do it surely? I've never done it nor ever felt the inclination. I've observed that trait in many people. Are you saying we are all suppressing our desire to shout "paki " or whatever ? You've then given a really good example about how peer groups feed off each other to attack minorities . This isn't "natural " . They weren't doing it as toddlers.its learnt and conditioned behaviour. Also a bit sad that you want to join a discussion but preface your response about "increasingly abusive slanting matches " ... if that's your opinion mate then go for it.. But obviously you're wrong. If you think we came out of the womb naturally prejudiced towards people with ginger hair then there isn't really a basis for reasonable discussion Yet I bet you live In a predominately white area? What was the basis for this learned behaviour or is it partly nature? I surround myself with like minded people and deplore racits particularly whilst also been a nationalist proud to be British. It's a combination of nature and nurture and like the original post says it cuts both ways. Communities/races tend to stick together and live in predominately single race areas. I wonder who you would save (not particularly aimed at you chips) if you had two people of the same sex, age, appearance, etc in a burning building, you could only save one, but each was equally accessible. The only difference between them was one matched your race and the other was of different race? Well over 50% would save the same race, I'd hazard a guess at over 90%. So in its primitive form it's the nurture of familiarity and a pack mentality that feeds racism, but would saving one of your own be even racist or is it just human nature? I'm guessing Ted would leave the white person to burn on the assumption that they're more likely to be racist, than the other dude. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 6:55:44 GMT 1
He must have plenty of brass if he lives in Edgerton, not really sure it's the kind of place you associate with right wing football hooligans, the leafy streets and Victorian villas of Edgerton. That would be Edgerton twinned with Dalton? Believe it or not that's where they play their home games.  |
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Post by Mecha Corte on May 23, 2019 7:06:21 GMT 1
My final say on this, not only is it human nature, it's nature full stop. Cats chase mice, dogs chase cats etc etc.
With (one of) his snidey replies to my previous Chips asked are we all suppressing a desire to shout abuse and that's just my point about we, in general, are getting better because we've, in general, got better, I've previously given a few examples to highlight it, Tedchippingtons relatives, assuming they were Protestant, when Elizabeth l was on the throne would happily have joined in burning Catholics for their different religious belief, today with Elizabeth ll on the throne he would condemn their descendants if they made rude comments to them.
Anyway I'm out it's both hard work and frustrating trying to reason with some, better to watch the transfer window and wait for the fixtures to be released, IMO. UTT.
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Post by gymroidspump on May 23, 2019 7:08:03 GMT 1
can't believe this absolute cretin roidpumper is still allowed to post on here Why? |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on May 23, 2019 7:36:20 GMT 1
Top thread.
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Post by impact on May 23, 2019 8:33:04 GMT 1
can't believe this absolute cretin roidpumper is still allowed to post on here I blocked him a long time ago. Seems that was a great decision. |
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Post by 28901 on May 23, 2019 9:20:37 GMT 1
are you to be posting on a public forum a persons name and where they are from. The said person has been dealt with but some!people deem it fit to have a go because they can hide, yes hide behind a keyboard. He has got what he deserves so dont try on be the big hard man, this is what is wrong with social media, people being judge and jury. You realise the story is on the Examiner website, FB page and Twitter ? Jello isn't "outing" the bloke on here, it's already in the media. As I pointed out earlier, it is ridiculous reaction. The moral outrage seems to be towards naming a defendant after he has already pleaded guilty and received justice in a court of law, and his name is in the court records for posterity . If he was named before the case then it would issue. On that basis we would never know the outcome of any criminal case. Absolute complete misunderstanding of how the law works.
We create a law, you break it, you go to court, you get named, its in the public domain. It has to be the same for every case whether you like it or not.
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Post by ram on May 23, 2019 9:54:38 GMT 1
Some perspective due on here methinks.An unsavoury character,this is my definition: I lived on the Dalton council estate {Holays etc.,} A bloke used to appear on there occasionally chatting up the kids of about nine or ten,They used to call em winkers in those days,nowadays they are paedophiles.One day he was surrounded by a large group who were harassing him{he was about 40ish and not much bigger than they were},I chased them off and he turned to thank me,I told him if I ever saw him on our estate again I would kick him from aresole to breakfast-time,I never saw him again....I was 14 at the time.
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Post by Tiro on May 23, 2019 10:10:16 GMT 1
Being Muslim is like being Christian it’s not a race just a belief system. Youre wasting your time with that one! Some people are just determined to not get their heads round that fact. Muslims are all sorts of races, just like Christians are all sorts of races. Believing in something isn't a race. Its like saying people who believe in little green men in UFOs are a race and if you insult them for it, youre being racist. Do people think if someones christian and they change to being Muslim, they also change their race at the same time? You are correct. You even corrected me on the issue the other day (to which I didn't respond then as it wasn't on topic, but it is now). But you cannot escape, that the two have become intertwined and right now, in our society, there is a strong racial dimension to Islamophobia (there are many, many examples of this). And, to use the subtext from a decent article on this very subject to make a point; "Racism is behaviour, not an informed academic position...[and] Islam might not be a race, but using that as a fig leaf for unthinking prejudice [can be considered] racist."* So you can continue your crusade to educate the masses and continue to be frustrated with 'some people', defining race by the dictionary, but in this instance (whether you like it or not) it brings nothing to this discussion in truth - its simply a point of clarification. *I wont go as far as saying that this prejudice "almost certainly is racist" as the original quote states and to be clear, I am not calling you a racist for clarifying the point: the quote of course has to be taken in the context of the discussion. ---- On another point, it would have saved a lot of shit chat and confusion had the OP taken the time to report the case properly i.e. "Brook was detained, arrested and charged with a racially/religiously aggravated public order offence." But then a gripe of mine is that people no longer take the time to inform themselves and are quick to make judgements based on a singular source - often a headline. |
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Post by conman on May 23, 2019 13:30:14 GMT 1
Anyone know a 'John Brook' from Edgerton? According to the Examiner (yes, I know...) this arsehole has just acquired a 3 year football ban (plus a fine) for racially abusing a Liverpool player at Town's recent match at Anfield. What a c***. Is it possible for someone to be savory? |
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are you to be posting on a public forum a persons name and where they are from. The said person has been dealt with but some!people deem it fit to have a go because they can hide, yes hide behind a keyboard.
