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Post by otium (EPBS) on May 26, 2019 19:31:31 GMT 1
The parachute payments are a smoke-screen...they are largely to cover the wages in long-term contracts.
Since 2009/10 eighteen teams finished in the bottom two of the Prem. Only two went back up at the first time of asking.
The teams who finished bottom averaged 12th place in the Champs. The second bottom averaged 9th place. Not exactly as you may imagine.
Four teams scored under twenty points and three of them really struggled the next season, only Sunderland bucked that trend.
Sunderland were also relegated two seasons straight.
Those who think it will be a cakewalk are seriously deluded. Experienced Prem players are leaving, signings will be limited and will be new blood.
We went down with only 6 goals scored by ALL our strikers.
Mid-table would be success.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 26, 2019 19:34:12 GMT 1
Who thinks it will be a cakewalk?
I'm satisfied that we will have a better season than any we had in the 20 years before Wagner came into the building
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Post by sykeylad on May 26, 2019 19:38:41 GMT 1
Smoke screen. Lol.
Classic doom monger nonsense.
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Post by zoso on May 26, 2019 19:44:19 GMT 1
Jeez Oti, fingers crossed you're right just so you can say "I told you so"  |
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Post by cab65 on May 26, 2019 19:46:56 GMT 1
I think most people would like to see a nice steady mid to upper half finish scoring some goals lol.
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 26, 2019 19:49:21 GMT 1
anyone who has supported Town for any length of time has only seen one 'cakewalk'... courtesy of Mick Buxton.. any other success has been a nail biter and the bad seasons have been utter dogshit..
I expect us to score more goals and concede less than we did last season..
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 26, 2019 19:50:53 GMT 1
Jeez Oti, fingers crossed you're right just so you can say "I told you so" Don't hold ya breath :-) ..... Liverpool for the Prem 4/1 Bournemouth bottom 25/1...Hills. Burnley relegated 4/1 Brum relegated 7/1 Wolves relegated 9/1 Bournemouth relegated 9/2 Accrington top half 7/2 Town above Bournemouth 2/ |
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Post by impact on May 26, 2019 19:51:13 GMT 1
Talking about the bottom 2 is rubbish really. It should be bottom 3. And I would bet that would change the stats significantly.
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Post by rastrick32 on May 26, 2019 19:52:16 GMT 1
I've not met a Town fan who thinks it will be easy. General consensus is that mid table will constitute a decent season.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 19:53:42 GMT 1
The parachute payments are a smoke-screen...they are largely to cover the wages in long-term contracts. Since 2009/10 eighteen teams finished in the bottom two of the Prem. Only two went back up at the first time of asking. The teams who finished bottom averaged 12th place in the Champs. The second bottom averaged 9th place. Not exactly as you may imagine. Four teams scored under twenty points and three of them really struggled the next season, only Sunderland bucked that trend. Sunderland were also relegated two seasons straight. Those who think it will be a cakewalk are seriously deluded. Experienced Prem players are leaving, signings will be limited and will be new blood. We went down with only 6 goals scored by ALL our strikers. Mid-table would be success. Does us all a favour going by your stats of probability, back Town to not finish Top 6 then please. We will no doubt win the league by March if you have money on that |
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Post by mayorofcov (BFHB) Honours on May 26, 2019 20:48:41 GMT 1
No body really nose wot our Jan is up to pre season
I recon when we start eee will unleash hell upon all in the championship
Interesting times a head ladies
If I die in the gelderd end
Woo wooo
COME ON YOU BOYS IN BLUE
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Post by otium (EPBS) on May 26, 2019 21:08:09 GMT 1
Talking about the bottom 2 is rubbish really. It should be bottom 3. And I would bet that would change the stats significantly. I will have a look tomorrow....i cut out third bottom as they are usually part of 4 or 5 in a group who have little difference between them. I took the bottom two as they are usually cut adrift...like Town. |
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Post by impact on May 26, 2019 21:18:56 GMT 1
Talking about the bottom 2 is rubbish really. It should be bottom 3. And I would bet that would change the stats significantly. I will have a look tomorrow....i cut out third bottom as they are usually part of 4 or 5 in a group who have little difference between them. I took the bottom two as they are usually cut adrift...like Town. Bottom 1, where we finished, or bottom 3, all relegated teams, IMO. Taking 2 feels like it's selective for the point made. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on May 26, 2019 21:23:39 GMT 1
Oti in 'telling everyone stuff they already know but trying to make it sound like new info' shocker.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on May 26, 2019 21:26:54 GMT 1
I will have a look tomorrow....i cut out third bottom as they are usually part of 4 or 5 in a group who have little difference between them. I took the bottom two as they are usually cut adrift...like Town. Bottom 1, where we finished, or bottom 3, all relegated teams, IMO. Taking 2 feels like it's selective for the point made. I was interested in bottom....Town...so i took the bottom 2 as cover. The third bottom usually get 38 points and are close to survival....not really relevant. |
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Post by brodie81 on May 26, 2019 22:12:23 GMT 1
Yes otium
You’re right!!!
(That’s Otiums mind)
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Post by boooothy on May 26, 2019 22:42:54 GMT 1
I don’t expect us to go back up but i do know it’s the best chance we’re ever going to have unless some financial backer appears.
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Post by impact on May 26, 2019 22:54:33 GMT 1
Bottom 1, where we finished, or bottom 3, all relegated teams, IMO. Taking 2 feels like it's selective for the point made. I was interested in bottom....Town...so i took the bottom 2 as cover. The third bottom usually get 38 points and are close to survival....not really relevant. See, that simply doesn't stack up with reality. That tends to be the case with your facts or stats. Starting last season, going 17th - 20th: 36, 33, 33, 31 40, 34, 28, 24 39, 37, 34, 17 38, 35, 33, 30 36, 33, 32, 30 |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on May 26, 2019 23:09:02 GMT 1
I was interested in bottom....Town...so i took the bottom 2 as cover. The third bottom usually get 38 points and are close to survival....not really relevant. See, that simply doesn't stack up with reality. That tends to be the case with your facts or stats. Starting last season, going 17th - 20th: 36, 33, 33, 31 40, 34, 28, 24 39, 37, 34, 17 38, 35, 33, 30 36, 33, 32, 30 Average over 10 years was the post. You are still at 35 points in 5 years....a far cry from our 14. |
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Post by impact on May 26, 2019 23:38:51 GMT 1
See, that simply doesn't stack up with reality. That tends to be the case with your facts or stats. Starting last season, going 17th - 20th: 36, 33, 33, 31 40, 34, 28, 24 39, 37, 34, 17 38, 35, 33, 30 36, 33, 32, 30 Average over 10 years was the post. You are still at 35 points in 5 years....a far cry from our 14. I'll carry on to get to your 10 year point. Doesn't change much. 39, 36, 28, 25 37, 36, 31, 25 40, 39, 39, 33 35, 30, 30, 19 35, 34, 32, 32 "The third bottom usually get 38 points" They have exceeded 38 points once in 10 years and have never got 38 points in that period. Another false statement. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 3:23:58 GMT 1
Not sure if any of the OPs post is correct but let's be honest Oti, maths and facts don't really go well together so I'll take it with a pinch of salt.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on May 27, 2019 4:34:13 GMT 1
See, that simply doesn't stack up with reality. That tends to be the case with your facts or stats. Starting last season, going 17th - 20th: 36, 33, 33, 31 40, 34, 28, 24 39, 37, 34, 17 38, 35, 33, 30 36, 33, 32, 30 Average over 10 years was the post. You are still at 35 points in 5 years.... a far cry from our 14. Stop the presses....Oti trying to use numerical stats to back up his argument for a dismal Town future argument and making errors in the basic facts, Town got SIXTEEN not 14 points last season. Don't you normally wait for November in a promotion Championship campaign before questioning if our season is basically over? |
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Post by captainblack on May 27, 2019 5:27:47 GMT 1
I am usually pretty positive and would hope we will
finish next season in the top half of the table,
to make the play-offs would be a fantastic achievement.
We will probably have a better guess after the summer
recruitment is finalised, but I am really looking
forward to next season, It has the potential of
being a very exiting season.UTT.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on May 27, 2019 6:16:14 GMT 1
I am usually pretty positive and would hope we will finish next season in the top half of the table, to make the play-offs would be a fantastic achievement. We will probably have a better guess after the summer recruitment is finalised, but I am really looking forward to next season, It has the potential of being a very exiting season.UTT. As long as we are exiting up rather than down the table  |
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Post by captainblack on May 27, 2019 6:53:21 GMT 1
I am usually pretty positive and would hope we will finish next season in the top half of the table, to make the play-offs would be a fantastic achievement. We will probably have a better guess after the summer recruitment is finalised, but I am really looking forward to next season, It has the potential of being a very exiting season.UTT. As long as we are exiting up rather than down the table Ha, yes, even the most positive of fans were feeling pretty downtrodden after last season , things must be more upbeat next season, surely,  |
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Post by ruggedivy on May 27, 2019 7:56:59 GMT 1
Probably be at least two seasons before we will be ready for a decent push at promotion...
However, I enjoy the Championship so don’t see that as a bad thing!
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Post by otium (EPBS) on May 27, 2019 8:16:04 GMT 1
Average over 10 years was the post. You are still at 35 points in 5 years....a far cry from our 14. I'll carry on to get to your 10 year point. Doesn't change much. 39, 36, 28, 25 37, 36, 31, 25 40, 39, 39, 33 35, 30, 30, 19 35, 34, 32, 32 "The third bottom usually get 38 points" They have exceeded 38 points once in 10 years and have never got 38 points in that period. Another false statement. There or thereabouts PEDANT!! We were bottom with 14 points....i used the bottom two teams as a guide.....did you want me to use Arsenal you fool? The team finishing third bottom generally do far better the next season than the team finishing bottom. It was not relevant to include them. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on May 27, 2019 8:19:18 GMT 1
Average over 10 years was the post. You are still at 35 points in 5 years.... a far cry from our 14. Stop the presses....Oti trying to use numerical stats to back up his argument for a dismal Town future argument and making errors in the basic facts, Town got SIXTEEN not 14 points last season. Don't you normally wait for November in a promotion Championship campaign before questioning if our season is basically over? It was so low that i lost interest. |
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Post by arry11 on May 27, 2019 11:09:31 GMT 1
Stop the presses....Oti trying to use numerical stats to back up his argument for a dismal Town future argument and making errors in the basic facts, Town got SIXTEEN not 14 points last season. Don't you normally wait for November in a promotion Championship campaign before questioning if our season is basically over? It was so low that i lost interest. It never stopped you telling us how our club should of been run. |
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Post by sabailand on May 27, 2019 16:08:21 GMT 1
We all know what we want, but what is delivered could be totally different, the main target next season is to stop the decline and get on an even keel, maybe we`ll be looking over our shoulder and be too close to the bottom three for comfort, or maybe we`ll surprise a few people and flirt with the play-off places (or better).
Personally i reckon mid table would be good, but town dont often do mid table!
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