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Post by loumacari on Jun 30, 2019 9:24:41 GMT 1
Never knew that, it really is only us poor bastards that pay tax isn’t it. If you are on £30k a year and PAYE and you owe 1p you will have bailiffs kicking the door in to take the telly way. If you are Starbucks and turn over £509 mill...you just juggle with tax laws and pay zilch...no questions asked. Total rubbish. The biggest tax drain on the economy is self employed and small businesses who claim deductions for things they’re not entitled to and under declare their income. They’re the people that shaft those on PAYE, not the big companies. And just for clarity, this is not an attack on the self-employed. There are a lot of them who pay the right amount of tax. But a hell of a lot that don’t. |
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Post by townatheart on Jun 30, 2019 9:31:45 GMT 1
If you are on £30k a year and PAYE and you owe 1p you will have bailiffs kicking the door in to take the telly way. If you are Starbucks and turn over £509 mill...you just juggle with tax laws and pay zilch...no questions asked. Total rubbish. The biggest tax drain on the economy is self employed and small businesses who claim deductions for things they’re not entitled to and under declare their income. They’re the people that shaft those on PAYE, not the big companies. And just for clarity, this is not an attack on the self-employed. There are a lot of them who pay the right amount of tax. But a hell of a lot that don’t. suspect that it is BOTH of those who find ways to "bend" the rules and dump the responsibility on to the rest of us |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 30, 2019 9:32:22 GMT 1
If you are on £30k a year and PAYE and you owe 1p you will have bailiffs kicking the door in to take the telly way. If you are Starbucks and turn over £509 mill...you just juggle with tax laws and pay zilch...no questions asked. Total rubbish. The biggest tax drain on the economy is self employed and small businesses who claim deductions for things they’re not entitled to and under declare their income. They’re the people that shaft those on PAYE, not the big companies. And just for clarity, this is not an attack on the self-employed. There are a lot of them who pay the right amount of tax. But a hell of a lot that don’t. That's bollocks. You can't legitimately claim deductions for 'things you are not entitled to'. You also can't legitimately under declare your income. You can illegitimately do this but you will get caught in the end and the monies paid back, so this is not a tax drain at all. |
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Post by townatheart on Jun 30, 2019 9:34:23 GMT 1
Kongolo will be top/joint top earner, id think he must be on around 50k (guess he was on at least 25k which we will have had to double given the tax law differences from monaco) Still cant beleive we managed to sign him this site reckons kongolo is on 35k Jonas Lossl Goalkeeper Denmark £5,000 Joel Coleman Goalkeeper England £10,000 Ben Hamer Goalkeeper England £12,000 Zanka Defender Denmark £33,000 Terence Kongolo Defender Netherlands £35,000 Christopher Schindler Defender Germany £25,000 Florent Hadergjonaj Defender Swiss £23,000 Jon Gorenc Stankovic Defender Slovenia £7,000 Michael Hefele Defender Germany £15,000 Chris Lowe Defender Germany £20,000 Scott Malone Defender England £20,000 Tom Smith (c) Defender England £20,000 Erik Durm Defender German £35,000 Danny Williams Midfielder USA £30,000 Aaron Mooy Midfielder Australia £50,000 Juninho Bacuna Midfielder Netherlands £17,000 Jonathan Hogg Midfielder England £23,000 Philip Biling Midfielder Denmark £15,000 Alex Pritchard Midfielder England £110,577 Ramadan Sobhi Midfielder Egypt £27,000 Abdelhamid Sabiri Midfielder Morocco £18,000 Rajiv van La Parra Forward Netherlands £18,000 Steve Mounie Forward Benin £35,000 Adama Diakhaby Forward French £30,000 Elias Kachunga Forward Congo DR £25,000 Laurent Depoitre Forward Belgium £35,000 Well I think I will discount this sites information, given that they have the 3rd GK on twice what the starting GK is on, and Hamer on two and a half times more than Lossl. I will be polite and say it is just a bit dubious. |
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Post by townatheart on Jun 30, 2019 9:41:26 GMT 1
Total rubbish. The biggest tax drain on the economy is self employed and small businesses who claim deductions for things they’re not entitled to and under declare their income. They’re the people that shaft those on PAYE, not the big companies. And just for clarity, this is not an attack on the self-employed. There are a lot of them who pay the right amount of tax. But a hell of a lot that don’t. That's bollocks. You can't legitimately claim deductions for 'things you are not entitled to'. You also can't legitimately under declare your income. You can illegitimately do this but you will get caught in the end and the monies paid back, so this is not a tax drain at all. First, TBF the poster did not use the word "legitimately". Second, if you do not think that self employed/small business do not stretch the rules in many cases (perhaps declaring a personal expense as a business expense as just one small everyday example) then with respect you are being a bit naive, but suspect you do know that, and are simply trying to not have all the blame placed on them which is fair enough. Third, I will repeat my own opinion, that there are too many, at both the top of the tree and the bottom, who find ways to circumvent fairness, and the burden then falls back on to the silent majority. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 30, 2019 9:51:43 GMT 1
That's bollocks. You can't legitimately claim deductions for 'things you are not entitled to'. You also can't legitimately under declare your income. You can illegitimately do this but you will get caught in the end and the monies paid back, so this is not a tax drain at all. First, TBF the poster did not use the word "legitimately". Second, if you do not think that self employed/small business do not stretch the rules in many cases (perhaps declaring a personal expense as a business expense as just one small everyday example) then with respect you are being a bit naive, but suspect you do know that, and are simply trying to not have all the blame placed on them which is fair enough. Third, I will repeat my own opinion, that there are too many, at both the top of the tree and the bottom, who find ways to circumvent fairness, and the burden then falls back on to the silent majority. I’ve run business for years so am not naive. The statement was ‘the biggest tax drain on the economy is the self employed’. That statement is rubbish. |
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Post by loumacari on Jun 30, 2019 9:54:32 GMT 1
First, TBF the poster did not use the word "legitimately". Second, if you do not think that self employed/small business do not stretch the rules in many cases (perhaps declaring a personal expense as a business expense as just one small everyday example) then with respect you are being a bit naive, but suspect you do know that, and are simply trying to not have all the blame placed on them which is fair enough. Third, I will repeat my own opinion, that there are too many, at both the top of the tree and the bottom, who find ways to circumvent fairness, and the burden then falls back on to the silent majority. I’ve run business for years so am not naive. The statement was ‘the biggest tax drain on the economy is the self employed’. That statement is rubbish. The statement was self employed and small businesses. And it’s true. Take a read of the government’s tax gap summary. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Jun 30, 2019 10:28:07 GMT 1
The insanity of it all. Market forces rule...but this is not right. This is the first thing that you’ve ever written that I agree with  |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Jun 30, 2019 10:39:38 GMT 1
I’ve run business for years so am not naive. The statement was ‘the biggest tax drain on the economy is the self employed’. That statement is rubbish. The statement was self employed and small businesses. And it’s true. Take a read of the government’s tax gap summary. That gap exists because this government screwed up, like everything else they try and do. For one, they’ve added more bureaucracy on everyone, and the new VAT process adds a great deal of work and anxiety for many traders, so many of them have reduced their trading to legitimately come in below the VAT threshold = direct reduction in tax take. They’ve also classed many self-employed as employees too, completely messed their forecasts up. Tbh, most people criticising the self-employed wouldn’t last a month if they became self-employed, or were forced to by way of redundancy and considered “too old” by HR robots to get another job. Anyone who thinks self employment is easy needs their heads examining. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 30, 2019 11:22:52 GMT 1
If you are on £30k a year and PAYE and you owe 1p you will have bailiffs kicking the door in to take the telly way. If you are Starbucks and turn over £509 mill...you just juggle with tax laws and pay zilch...no questions asked. Total rubbish. The biggest tax drain on the economy is self employed and small businesses who claim deductions for things they’re not entitled to and under declare their income. They’re the people that shaft those on PAYE, not the big companies. And just for clarity, this is not an attack on the self-employed. There are a lot of them who pay the right amount of tax. But a hell of a lot that don’t. The biggest tax offenders and by far the easiest to get away with are businesses who deal mainly in cash. Takeaways, taxis, etc etc. Most self employed people are paid by bank transfer or cheque, so not so easy to hide your income. Its tempting to stretch the expenses a bit, but you need to rely on it never being investigated, which it rarely is. Ive been self employed for nearly 25 years and never had anyone look at my books. The pay off for PAYEers is that the self employed get sod all of the benefits they get. The big corporations get away with paying little tax because of EU law which allows them to pay their tax in any EU member state. They can earn it in the UK, pay it in ireland/ Netherlands at a much reduced rate. Companies like Starbucks would actually be breaking corporate law in relation to their duty to shareholders if they DIDN'T take advantage of that EU loophole! Costs the Uk economy £10 Billion a year according to the City Of London ( add that to the bus figure!!) |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 30, 2019 11:25:54 GMT 1
this site reckons kongolo is on 35k Jonas Lossl Goalkeeper Denmark £5,000 Joel Coleman Goalkeeper England £10,000 Ben Hamer Goalkeeper England £12,000 Zanka Defender Denmark £33,000 Terence Kongolo Defender Netherlands £35,000 Christopher Schindler Defender Germany £25,000 Florent Hadergjonaj Defender Swiss £23,000 Jon Gorenc Stankovic Defender Slovenia £7,000 Michael Hefele Defender Germany £15,000 Chris Lowe Defender Germany £20,000 Scott Malone Defender England £20,000 Tom Smith (c) Defender England £20,000 Erik Durm Defender German £35,000 Danny Williams Midfielder USA £30,000 Aaron Mooy Midfielder Australia £50,000 Juninho Bacuna Midfielder Netherlands £17,000 Jonathan Hogg Midfielder England £23,000 Philip Biling Midfielder Denmark £15,000 Alex Pritchard Midfielder England £110,577 Ramadan Sobhi Midfielder Egypt £27,000 Abdelhamid Sabiri Midfielder Morocco £18,000 Rajiv van La Parra Forward Netherlands £18,000 Steve Mounie Forward Benin £35,000 Adama Diakhaby Forward French £30,000 Elias Kachunga Forward Congo DR £25,000 Laurent Depoitre Forward Belgium £35,000 Well I think I will discount this sites information, given that they have the 3rd GK on twice what the starting GK is on, and Hamer on two and a half times more than Lossl. I will be polite and say it is just a bit dubious. Ill be less polite and say its complete and utter horse shit. |
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Post by mrg on Jun 30, 2019 11:30:15 GMT 1
Kongolo will be top/joint top earner, id think he must be on around 50k (guess he was on at least 25k which we will have had to double given the tax law differences from monaco) Still cant beleive we managed to sign him Kongolo was on 30 or 35k tax free at Monaco. To match I think town needed to go to 72k with tax, but as he wanted first team football there may have been some wiggle room and creative accounting. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 30, 2019 11:33:10 GMT 1
If you are on £30k a year and PAYE and you owe 1p you will have bailiffs kicking the door in to take the telly way. If you are Starbucks and turn over £509 mill...you just juggle with tax laws and pay zilch...no questions asked. Total rubbish. The biggest tax drain on the economy is self employed and small businesses who claim deductions for things they’re not entitled to and under declare their income. They’re the people that shaft those on PAYE, not the big companies. And just for clarity, this is not an attack on the self-employed. There are a lot of them who pay the right amount of tax. But a hell of a lot that don’t. That is also a valid point....i still maintain big business tax avoidance (and their expense accounts) would hugely outweigh the 15% who are self-employed. Remember that 60% of new businesses fold in less than 5 years. They are clearly stealing from themselves according to your premise! |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 30, 2019 11:37:27 GMT 1
Total rubbish. The biggest tax drain on the economy is self employed and small businesses who claim deductions for things they’re not entitled to and under declare their income. They’re the people that shaft those on PAYE, not the big companies. And just for clarity, this is not an attack on the self-employed. There are a lot of them who pay the right amount of tax. But a hell of a lot that don’t. The biggest tax offenders and by far the easiest to get away with are businesses who deal mainly in cash. Takeaways, taxis, etc etc. Most self employed people are paid by bank transfer or cheque, so not so easy to hide your income. Its tempting to stretch the expenses a bit, but you need to rely on it never being investigated, which it rarely is. Ive been self employed for nearly 25 years and never had anyone look at my books. The pay off for PAYEers is that the self employed get sod all of the benefits they get. The big corporations get away with paying little tax because of EU law which allows them to pay their tax in any EU member state. They can earn it in the UK, pay it in ireland/ Netherlands at a much reduced rate. Companies like Starbucks would actually be breaking corporate law in relation to their duty to shareholders if they DIDN'T take advantage of that EU loophole! Costs the Uk economy £10 Billion a year according to the City Of London ( add that to the bus figure!!) So, begging, car-washes, takeaways, food delivery, taxis. Hmmm...all businesses populated by immigrants (economic immigrants). The palaces built in Islamabad and Sylhet...money that never recirculates in the British economy. I spend zero with Moslem businesses....and i will never change that. It is not wealth redistribution...it is parasitism. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 30, 2019 11:39:58 GMT 1
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 30, 2019 11:40:43 GMT 1
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 30, 2019 11:54:03 GMT 1
The biggest tax offenders and by far the easiest to get away with are businesses who deal mainly in cash. Takeaways, taxis, etc etc. Most self employed people are paid by bank transfer or cheque, so not so easy to hide your income. Its tempting to stretch the expenses a bit, but you need to rely on it never being investigated, which it rarely is. Ive been self employed for nearly 25 years and never had anyone look at my books. The pay off for PAYEers is that the self employed get sod all of the benefits they get. The big corporations get away with paying little tax because of EU law which allows them to pay their tax in any EU member state. They can earn it in the UK, pay it in ireland/ Netherlands at a much reduced rate. Companies like Starbucks would actually be breaking corporate law in relation to their duty to shareholders if they DIDN'T take advantage of that EU loophole! Costs the Uk economy £10 Billion a year according to the City Of London ( add that to the bus figure!!) So, begging, car-washes, takeaways, food delivery, taxis. Hmmm...all businesses populated by immigrants (economic immigrants). The palaces built in Islamabad and Sylhet...money that never recirculates in the British economy. I spend zero with Moslem businesses....and i will never change that. It is not wealth redistribution...it is parasitism. You do realise just how much first world countries and their corporations pillage the wealth and resource of those in the third world. Not justifying what you touch on or the vast disparity of wealth in some countries, but overall we are incredibly lucky to have been born here with the advantages we have. Very lucky. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 11:56:57 GMT 1
Seems like the Bangladeshi palace builders are less concerned about the poverty of their fellow citizens than are the administrators of the UK foreign aid budget. Ditto Pakistan....ditto Nigeria.....ditto etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 11:59:50 GMT 1
You do realise just how much first world countries and their corporations pillage the wealth a resource of those in the third world. Not justifying what you touch on or the vast disparity of wealth in some countries, but overall we are incredibly lucky to have been born here with the advantages we have. Very lucky.
Pillage the wealth and resources? I think you'll find it's the politicians, etc, in those third-world countries which do the bulk of the pillaging.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 30, 2019 12:04:33 GMT 1
You do realise just how much first world countries and their corporations pillage the wealth a resource of those in the third world. Not justifying what you touch on or the vast disparity of wealth in some countries, but overall we are incredibly lucky to have been born here with the advantages we have. Very lucky. Pillage the wealth and resources? I think you'll find it's the politicians, etc, in those third-world countries which do the bulk of the pillaging.
As I said, I ain't justifying the disparity of wealth in some other countries. |
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Post by ritchie on Jun 30, 2019 12:11:55 GMT 1
Hope the season starts soon
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jun 30, 2019 13:04:18 GMT 1
Just seen Stankovic in Sainsbury’s bet he is not on that much.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jun 30, 2019 14:18:37 GMT 1
Koroma on 3k a week.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 30, 2019 17:49:24 GMT 1
So, begging, car-washes, takeaways, food delivery, taxis. Hmmm...all businesses populated by immigrants (economic immigrants). The palaces built in Islamabad and Sylhet...money that never recirculates in the British economy. I spend zero with Moslem businesses....and i will never change that. It is not wealth redistribution...it is parasitism. You do realise just how much first world countries and their corporations pillage the wealth and resource of those in the third world. Not justifying what you touch on or the vast disparity of wealth in some countries, but overall we are incredibly lucky to have been born here with the advantages we have. Very lucky. Notwithstanding the fact there are more billionaires in Asia than the USA...and weren't they all colonies not too long ago? Bangladesh and Pakistan were pillaged of what exactly? Likewise the majority of colonies. Tell you how lucky i was...i grew up without a fridge, a telephone a TV. I ran to school and left education at 15 for a £30 a week job. My first new trousers were stolen from Woolies in 1975. Never had a penny from the government....you make your own luck....largely. If you cant afford books or schooling then dont have kids. |
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Post by sapphireblue on Jun 30, 2019 19:28:03 GMT 1
You do realise just how much first world countries and their corporations pillage the wealth and resource of those in the third world. Not justifying what you touch on or the vast disparity of wealth in some countries, but overall we are incredibly lucky to have been born here with the advantages we have. Very lucky. Notwithstanding the fact there are more billionaires in Asia than the USA...and weren't they all colonies not too long ago? Bangladesh and Pakistan were pillaged of what exactly? Likewise the majority of colonies. Tell you how lucky i was...i grew up without a fridge, a telephone a TV. I ran to school and left education at 15 for a £30 a week job. My first new trousers were stolen from Woolies in 1975. Never had a penny from the government....you make your own luck....largely. If you cant afford books or schooling then dont have kids. So did you steal the pants or your parents? |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 30, 2019 19:42:47 GMT 1
You do realise just how much first world countries and their corporations pillage the wealth and resource of those in the third world. Not justifying what you touch on or the vast disparity of wealth in some countries, but overall we are incredibly lucky to have been born here with the advantages we have. Very lucky. Notwithstanding the fact there are more billionaires in Asia than the USA...and weren't they all colonies not too long ago? Bangladesh and Pakistan were pillaged of what exactly? Likewise the majority of colonies. Tell you how lucky i was...i grew up without a fridge, a telephone a TV. I ran to school and left education at 15 for a £30 a week job. My first new trousers were stolen from Woolies in 1975. Never had a penny from the government....you make your own luck....largely. If you cant afford books or schooling then dont have kids. I suspect you come from a similar background to me, but 10/20 years on, where you had enough, but very limited 'luxuries'. Either way, whether you're talking then, when I grew up or now, you are very fortunate to be born in the UK. It's why people come here! And as I said/implied, I ain't justifying what goes on locally to create the huge disparities of wealth elswhere in the world, but the first world's companies and wants cause huge problems. Anyway, I'm boring myself. |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jun 30, 2019 19:59:24 GMT 1
Notwithstanding the fact there are more billionaires in Asia than the USA...and weren't they all colonies not too long ago? Bangladesh and Pakistan were pillaged of what exactly? Likewise the majority of colonies. Tell you how lucky i was...i grew up without a fridge, a telephone a TV. I ran to school and left education at 15 for a £30 a week job. My first new trousers were stolen from Woolies in 1975. Never had a penny from the government....you make your own luck....largely. If you cant afford books or schooling then dont have kids. So did you steal the pants or your parents? Polished use of the passive tense by Oti. Can't be certain, but I would say the distancing of the crime from himself would suggest that they were stolen for him :-) |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jun 30, 2019 20:01:29 GMT 1
Notwithstanding the fact there are more billionaires in Asia than the USA...and weren't they all colonies not too long ago? Bangladesh and Pakistan were pillaged of what exactly? Likewise the majority of colonies. Tell you how lucky i was...i grew up without a fridge, a telephone a TV. I ran to school and left education at 15 for a £30 a week job. My first new trousers were stolen from Woolies in 1975. Never had a penny from the government....you make your own luck....largely. If you cant afford books or schooling then dont have kids. I suspect you come from a similar background to me, but 10/20 years on, where you had enough, but very limited 'luxuries'. Either way, whether you're talking then, when I grew up or now, you are very fortunate to be born in the UK. It's why people come here! And as I said/implied, I ain't justifying what goes on locally to create the huge disparities of wealth elswhere in the world, but the first world's companies and wants cause huge problems elsewhere in the world. Anyway, I'm boring myself.Know the feeling. You're not a Gemini by any chance? :-) |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 30, 2019 20:46:43 GMT 1
Notwithstanding the fact there are more billionaires in Asia than the USA...and weren't they all colonies not too long ago? Bangladesh and Pakistan were pillaged of what exactly? Likewise the majority of colonies. Tell you how lucky i was...i grew up without a fridge, a telephone a TV. I ran to school and left education at 15 for a £30 a week job. My first new trousers were stolen from Woolies in 1975. Never had a penny from the government....you make your own luck....largely. If you cant afford books or schooling then dont have kids. So did you steal the pants or your parents? Unfortunately that role was left to my guilty self. I was beaten for it. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 30, 2019 21:06:25 GMT 1
You do realise just how much first world countries and their corporations pillage the wealth and resource of those in the third world. Not justifying what you touch on or the vast disparity of wealth in some countries, but overall we are incredibly lucky to have been born here with the advantages we have. Very lucky. Notwithstanding the fact there are more billionaires in Asia than the USA...and weren't they all colonies not too long ago? Bangladesh and Pakistan were pillaged of what exactly? Likewise the majority of colonies. Tell you how lucky i was...i grew up without a fridge, a telephone a TV. I ran to school and left education at 15 for a £30 a week job. My first new trousers were stolen from Woolies in 1975. Never had a penny from the government....you make your own luck....largely. If you cant afford books or schooling then dont have kids. Was Stolen from Woolies a forerunner to Stolen from Ivor ? |
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