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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 18, 2019 7:56:48 GMT 1
Laugh all you want, but we've just given a massive boost to the publicity arm of one business within an industry that in many respects is a bit of a cancer on society & genuinely does not give a flying fuck about you or I... OPE had the same motives, but they were out of sight, out of mind for many. Of course gambling is about the individual, but on a lesser scale how many on here are influenced by the marketing for their weekly shop & you throw branded goods in your trolley instead of a perfectly adequate own brand. It's all relative and why advertising/marketing/media etc. is everywhere you look, we're nowt but pawns in the game... Agreed. The ultimate aim of PP is to get people betting. For some, this is harmless fun or even an enhancement to their lives. For others, it can be devastating. PP's jokey, stunt driven marketing ignores the problem that they are part of. Our club has decided that this is the type of partner that they want on board and I think this is something that we should all feel very uncomfortable with. Historically, our club has done much for our Community with some suberb initiatives. I think that this association undermines a lot of this great work. For many, gambling isn't fun and for some, it can be a matter of profound addition, leading to lifelong issues. For me the major problem here isn't the shirt or the humour or the 'bantz' or the money. The problem is allowing ourselves to be a stool pigeon in a growing Societal problem. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion. I share it to a degree . The bookies resistance to lowering the FOBT limit was utterly utterly shameful. But I can't remember the moral outrage when our stadium was renamed "the John Smiths Stadium " Alcohol .. the legal drug and maybe the most pernicious ? The one which has caused more sorrow and despair, death , domestic violence, loss of job and income etc etc than maybe any other? That's one example .. If you unpick other sponsors you could argue a "moral" case... Central Garages and Diahatsu promoting driving about in cars polluting the atmosphere . Panasonic encouraging our kids to sit in front of the goggle box all day . Where does the outrage end ?
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Jul 18, 2019 8:11:42 GMT 1
I really don’t get advertisements. Never once watched one and thought ‘ I need that ‘PP are rather funny but I’ve never placed a bet with them. Like most things I’d rather go to my local bookie or shop rather than deal with the big multinationals I'm the same, but the amount of money that gets pumped into advertising and marketing globally suggests there's a majority that are influenced by it. It's strange in some respects, because they don't actually need to pump in vast amounts of cash because they light the touch paper and social media does the rest for them. Their advertising budgets go on making sure that their products remain in our psyche as you go about your daily life, on the buses, tubes, billboards etc. I don't work in advertising, but I think people would be surprised at how public sector organisations are having to commercialise things to supplement budget shortfalls. It's all around you & maybe that's the point. The people that don't spot the obvious are the ones that will have all that shite subliminally embedded in their grey matter... I'm off to boil some tripe, fuck it... TV advertising has become a lot cheaper over recent years, so they might not be spending the sums you would think. Sky's advertising service in particular can be so focused (eg all plumbers in Meltham) that it has become accessible to many small businesses and less wasteful.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jul 18, 2019 8:23:41 GMT 1
Agreed. The ultimate aim of PP is to get people betting. For some, this is harmless fun or even an enhancement to their lives. For others, it can be devastating. PP's jokey, stunt driven marketing ignores the problem that they are part of. Our club has decided that this is the type of partner that they want on board and I think this is something that we should all feel very uncomfortable with. Historically, our club has done much for our Community with some suberb initiatives. I think that this association undermines a lot of this great work. For many, gambling isn't fun and for some, it can be a matter of profound addition, leading to lifelong issues. For me the major problem here isn't the shirt or the humour or the 'bantz' or the money. The problem is allowing ourselves to be a stool pigeon in a growing Societal problem. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion. I share it to a degree . The bookies resistance to lowering the FOBT limit was utterly utterly shameful. But I can't remember the moral outrage when our stadium was renamed "the John Smiths Stadium " Alcohol .. the legal drug and maybe the most pernicious ? The one which has caused more sorrow and despair, death , domestic violence, loss of job and income etc etc than maybe any other? That's one example .. If you unpick other sponsors you could argue a "moral" case... Central Garages and Diahatsu promoting driving about in cars polluting the atmosphere . Panasonic encouraging our kids to sit in front of the goggle box all day . Where does the outrage end ? This. As a society we are too quick to blame the companies providing 'vice' services because it's the easy thing to do, as opposed to looking inward and trying to discover why someone may choose to become addicted to drinking/gambling/drugs in the first place. I am a firm believer in the freedom of choice, those choices should include things that may not be the healthiest of life options, if some people lack the responsibility of self control to use those services in a reasonable manner, then that is the problem that should be tackled.
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Post by htfc1908 on Jul 18, 2019 8:34:33 GMT 1
Away from the wider implications of betting etc, I'm still assuming this sash is a wind up, well it has to be doesn't it? but what happens now? when do Town reveal the true kit?
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Post by Tiro on Jul 18, 2019 8:47:29 GMT 1
Laugh all you want, but we've just given a massive boost to the publicity arm of one business within an industry that in many respects is a bit of a cancer on society & genuinely does not give a flying fuck about you or I... OPE had the same motives, but they were out of sight, out of mind for many. Of course gambling is about the individual, but on a lesser scale how many on here are influenced by the marketing for their weekly shop & you throw branded goods in your trolley instead of a perfectly adequate own brand. It's all relative and why advertising/marketing/media etc. is everywhere you look, we're nowt but pawns in the game... Tell us what you know about OPE, because for all of the googling I genuinely can’t get a handle on them. Just because they’re out of sight here, doesn’t mean they’re not as aggressive with their advertising in another country. They could even impact of on society’s less developed and more vulnerable than ours. I’d much prefer that we’re sponsored by a company that hides in plain sight, one that we can judge, than one that is ‘out of sight out of mind’.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 8:47:34 GMT 1
Away from the wider implications of betting etc, I'm still assuming this sash is a wind up, well it has to be doesn't it? but what happens now? when do Town reveal the true kit? Possibly very soon lol the meltdown is over .Think it's been a hoot .Then again that is only my opinion .Looking forward to seeing some of the new shirts on our travels and if I do see any with a sash on I will post a photo .😁
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 18, 2019 8:51:26 GMT 1
Obviously you're entitled to your opinion. I share it to a degree . The bookies resistance to lowering the FOBT limit was utterly utterly shameful. But I can't remember the moral outrage when our stadium was renamed "the John Smiths Stadium " Alcohol .. the legal drug and maybe the most pernicious ? The one which has caused more sorrow and despair, death , domestic violence, loss of job and income etc etc than maybe any other? That's one example .. If you unpick other sponsors you could argue a "moral" case... Central Garages and Diahatsu promoting driving about in cars polluting the atmosphere . Panasonic encouraging our kids to sit in front of the goggle box all day . Where does the outrage end ? This. As a society we are too quick to blame the companies providing 'vice' services because it's the easy thing to do, as opposed to looking inward and trying to discover why someone may choose to become addicted to drinking/gambling/drugs in the first place. I am a firm believer in the freedom of choice, those choices should include things that may not be the healthiest of life options, if some people lack the responsibility of self control to use those services in a reasonable manner, then that is the problem that should be tackled. So many are unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions. Its almost always someone elses fault it seems.
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Post by kwami-hodouto on Jul 18, 2019 9:01:07 GMT 1
Hope Paddypower paid us more than the club is going to get fined... Shambles.
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Post by htfc1908 on Jul 18, 2019 9:03:34 GMT 1
Away from the wider implications of betting etc, I'm still assuming this sash is a wind up, well it has to be doesn't it? but what happens now? when do Town reveal the true kit? Possibly very soon lol the meltdown is over .Think it's been a hoot .Then again that is only my opinion .Looking forward to seeing some of the new shirts on our travels and if I do see any with a sash on I will post a photo .😁 Town did say the new kit would be on sale Saturday so we've a couple of days maybe, it's certainly caused a stir (perhaps that's a bit of an understatement )
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 18, 2019 9:04:47 GMT 1
Laugh all you want, but we've just given a massive boost to the publicity arm of one business within an industry that in many respects is a bit of a cancer on society & genuinely does not give a flying fuck about you or I... OPE had the same motives, but they were out of sight, out of mind for many. Of course gambling is about the individual, but on a lesser scale how many on here are influenced by the marketing for their weekly shop & you throw branded goods in your trolley instead of a perfectly adequate own brand. It's all relative and why advertising/marketing/media etc. is everywhere you look, we're nowt but pawns in the game... Tell us what you know about OPE, because for all of the googling I genuinely can’t get a handle on them. Just because they’re out of sight here, doesn’t mean they’re not as aggressive with their advertising in another country. They could even impact of on society’s less developed and more vulnerable than ours. I’d much prefer that we’re sponsored by a company that hides in plain sight, one that we can judge, than one that is ‘out of sight out of mind’. My point was more that it's easier for people to turn a blind eye because the impact isn't in their line of sight & they can be comfortably less shocked because the undercurrent of misery that OPE are dishing out in the far East isn't visible - they don't see the poor bastards who are addicted in China & probably begging & thieving to feed their habit as obviously as they might see the same outside Corals in Huddersfield? I was never comfortable with OPE & as I've said numerous times, the PL and Championship, with all the high profile games on Sky that now exist virtually 7d a week when the season is in flight are nothing more than a vehicle for the global betting markets. I just think that to continue down this line of betting co. sponsorship is a bit of a backward step for the club. I would have been saying all the same things if it was Corals, 32 Red etc. who we'd struck a deal with. These companies clearly make enough profits to trump all other offers on the table. Look at N'castle, owned by a bloke who realised he could make more money with an external sponsorship deal, as opposed to sticking his own company on the shirts. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48690743
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Post by Ross83 on Jul 18, 2019 9:05:05 GMT 1
How Paddypower paid us more than the club is going to get fined... Shambles. They can't fine us, it was a friendly game. Media trying to blow things out of proportion.
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Post by kwami-hodouto on Jul 18, 2019 9:09:57 GMT 1
How Paddypower paid us more than the club is going to get fined... Shambles. They can't fine us, it was a friendly game. Media trying to blow things out of proportion. "FA regulations, which also apply to pre-season matches, state that sponsorship logos must not exceed 250 square centimetres."
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 18, 2019 9:10:06 GMT 1
Agreed. The ultimate aim of PP is to get people betting. For some, this is harmless fun or even an enhancement to their lives. For others, it can be devastating. PP's jokey, stunt driven marketing ignores the problem that they are part of. Our club has decided that this is the type of partner that they want on board and I think this is something that we should all feel very uncomfortable with. Historically, our club has done much for our Community with some suberb initiatives. I think that this association undermines a lot of this great work. For many, gambling isn't fun and for some, it can be a matter of profound addition, leading to lifelong issues. For me the major problem here isn't the shirt or the humour or the 'bantz' or the money. The problem is allowing ourselves to be a stool pigeon in a growing Societal problem. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion. I share it to a degree . The bookies resistance to lowering the FOBT limit was utterly utterly shameful. But I can't remember the moral outrage when our stadium was renamed "the John Smiths Stadium " Alcohol .. the legal drug and maybe the most pernicious ? The one which has caused more sorrow and despair, death , domestic violence, loss of job and income etc etc than maybe any other? That's one example .. If you unpick other sponsors you could argue a "moral" case... Central Garages and Diahatsu promoting driving about in cars polluting the atmosphere . Panasonic encouraging our kids to sit in front of the goggle box all day . Where does the outrage end ? Ted, there's always going to be a moral issue with sponsorship when it comes to booze, fags & betting. They're all addictions with massive downsides and societal problems that strain our systems. My main issue with the pushing of gambling is that it's an instant fix, click a bet, click ten bets in the next five mins. But I'll guarantee you that your smart phone won't be able to click and stick a pint in one hand and a fag in the other...
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Post by Tiro on Jul 18, 2019 9:15:34 GMT 1
Tell us what you know about OPE, because for all of the googling I genuinely can’t get a handle on them. Just because they’re out of sight here, doesn’t mean they’re not as aggressive with their advertising in another country. They could even impact of on society’s less developed and more vulnerable than ours. I’d much prefer that we’re sponsored by a company that hides in plain sight, one that we can judge, than one that is ‘out of sight out of mind’. My point was more that it's easier for people to turn a blind eye because the impact isn't in their line of sight & they can be comfortably less shocked because the undercurrent of misery that OPE are dishing out in the far East isn't visible - they don't see the poor bastards who are addicted in China & probably begging & thieving to feed their habit as obviously as they might see the same outside Corals in Huddersfield? I was never comfortable with OPE & as I've said numerous times, the PL and Championship, with all the high profile games on Sky that now exist virtually 7d a week when the season is in flight are nothing more than a vehicle for the global betting markets. I just think that to continue down this line of betting co. sponsorship is a bit of a backward step for the club. I would have been saying all the same things if it was Corals, 32 Red etc. who we'd struck a deal with. These companies clearly make enough profits to trump all other offers on the table. Look at N'castle, owned by a bloke who realised he could make more money with an external sponsorship deal, as opposed to sticking his own company on the shirts. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48690743 Ah, apologies. On the train I misinterpreted your angle.
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Post by town1907 on Jul 18, 2019 9:17:38 GMT 1
Obviously you're entitled to your opinion. I share it to a degree . The bookies resistance to lowering the FOBT limit was utterly utterly shameful. But I can't remember the moral outrage when our stadium was renamed "the John Smiths Stadium " Alcohol .. the legal drug and maybe the most pernicious ? The one which has caused more sorrow and despair, death , domestic violence, loss of job and income etc etc than maybe any other? That's one example .. If you unpick other sponsors you could argue a "moral" case... Central Garages and Diahatsu promoting driving about in cars polluting the atmosphere . Panasonic encouraging our kids to sit in front of the goggle box all day . Where does the outrage end ? Ted, there's always going to be a moral issue with sponsorship when it comes to booze, fags & betting. They're all addictions with massive downsides and societal problems that strain our systems. My main issue with the pushing of gambling is that it's an instant fix, click a bet, click ten bets in the next five mins. But I'll guarantee you that your smart phone won't be able to click and stick a pint in one hand and a fag in the other... Asda, Morrison's, Tesco.. online?
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Post by sonny on Jul 18, 2019 9:19:41 GMT 1
Can't believe that Dean Hoyle would have allowed the club to be part of a stunt like this. It is right out of the David Brent school of management.
It puts us on a par with those non-league clubs that get daft sponsorship on FA cup runs. Perhaps the new goalkeeper might fancy a pie,
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 18, 2019 9:20:38 GMT 1
Hope Paddypower paid us more than the club is going to get fined... Shambles. Yeah Mail Online...must be true.
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Post by town1907 on Jul 18, 2019 9:21:54 GMT 1
Can't believe that Dean Hoyle would have allowed the club to be part of a stunt like this. It is right out of the David Brent school of management. It puts us on a par with those non-league clubs that get daft sponsorship on FA cup runs. Perhaps the new goalkeeper might fancy a pie, He still owns 25% of the club and active in decisions made.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 18, 2019 9:27:34 GMT 1
Ted, there's always going to be a moral issue with sponsorship when it comes to booze, fags & betting. They're all addictions with massive downsides and societal problems that strain our systems. My main issue with the pushing of gambling is that it's an instant fix, click a bet, click ten bets in the next five mins. But I'll guarantee you that your smart phone won't be able to click and stick a pint in one hand and a fag in the other... Asda, Morrison's, Tesco.. online? Does it stick that pint in your hand in 2 seconds after you've clicked your online order?
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Post by drumriggend on Jul 18, 2019 9:28:14 GMT 1
Agreed. The ultimate aim of PP is to get people betting. For some, this is harmless fun or even an enhancement to their lives. For others, it can be devastating. PP's jokey, stunt driven marketing ignores the problem that they are part of. Our club has decided that this is the type of partner that they want on board and I think this is something that we should all feel very uncomfortable with. Historically, our club has done much for our Community with some suberb initiatives. I think that this association undermines a lot of this great work. For many, gambling isn't fun and for some, it can be a matter of profound addition, leading to lifelong issues. For me the major problem here isn't the shirt or the humour or the 'bantz' or the money. The problem is allowing ourselves to be a stool pigeon in a growing Societal problem. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion. I share it to a degree . The bookies resistance to lowering the FOBT limit was utterly utterly shameful. But I can't remember the moral outrage when our stadium was renamed "the John Smiths Stadium " Alcohol .. the legal drug and maybe the most pernicious ? The one which has caused more sorrow and despair, death , domestic violence, loss of job and income etc etc than maybe any other? That's one example .. If you unpick other sponsors you could argue a "moral" case... Central Garages and Diahatsu promoting driving about in cars polluting the atmosphere . Panasonic encouraging our kids to sit in front of the goggle box all day . Where does the outrage end ? "Utterly morally shameful" Give over.. The bookies developed fobts to make money.. That is the point of a business.. Enough people squealed about them and the govt Caved in.. Does the govt say to greggs.. Only one sausage roll per customer per day- they make you fat and die early?? Thousands of betting shop staff will lose their jobs now because of this.. Those degenerate gamblers will still find a way to lose their money online or in the casinos so nothing has been solved.. Classic case of the tiny minority spoiling things for the majority. 😤
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Post by Ross83 on Jul 18, 2019 9:46:48 GMT 1
They can't fine us, it was a friendly game. Media trying to blow things out of proportion. "FA regulations, which also apply to pre-season matches, state that sponsorship logos must not exceed 250 square centimetres." I stand corrected. I wasn't aware of that, seems silly you can wear training gear or penguin suit if you like but nothing with a large sponsor.
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Post by town1907 on Jul 18, 2019 9:47:14 GMT 1
Asda, Morrison's, Tesco.. online? Does it stick that pint in your hand in 2 seconds after you've clicked your online order? It might take a couple of hours to be delivered but you can order both booze and cigarettes online in seconds using your smartphone.
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Post by alexdire on Jul 18, 2019 9:47:32 GMT 1
I'm starting to warm to this kit. Now we are getting the indignation of the self righteous. Yesterday it was all the football crowd laughing at the shit kit. Today social media is full of the anti-betting brigade.
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Jul 18, 2019 9:50:46 GMT 1
Hope Paddypower paid us more than the club is going to get fined... Shambles. I wonder if Town would suggest Paddy Power pay this fine? They are the ones financially benefitting the most from this charade.
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Post by Htfcdiz on Jul 18, 2019 9:51:36 GMT 1
Do we have anyone in the know? I was a 100% sure it was a publicity stunt yesterday. now I'm about 80% sure it is.
I do feel the club should clear everything up soon rather than later.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 9:53:08 GMT 1
Laugh all you want, but we've just given a massive boost to the publicity arm of one business within an industry that in many respects is a bit of a cancer on society & genuinely does not give a flying fuck about you or I... OPE had the same motives, but they were out of sight, out of mind for many. Of course gambling is about the individual, but on a lesser scale how many on here are influenced by the marketing for their weekly shop & you throw branded goods in your trolley instead of a perfectly adequate own brand. It's all relative and why advertising/marketing/media etc. is everywhere you look, we're nowt but pawns in the game... Agreed. The ultimate aim of PP is to get people betting. For some, this is harmless fun or even an enhancement to their lives. For others, it can be devastating. PP's jokey, stunt driven marketing ignores the problem that they are part of. Our club has decided that this is the type of partner that they want on board and I think this is something that we should all feel very uncomfortable with. Historically, our club has done much for our Community with some suberb initiatives. I think that this association undermines a lot of this great work. For many, gambling isn't fun and for some, it can be a matter of profound addition, leading to lifelong issues. For me the major problem here isn't the shirt or the humour or the 'bantz' or the money. The problem is allowing ourselves to be a stool pigeon in a growing Societal problem.
Morning Reverend rastrick,, Perhaps you should find these "Moral Highground Saintly Ethical" companies who are willing to sponsor us and give Town a nod in the right direction.
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Post by canuckterrier99 on Jul 18, 2019 9:55:49 GMT 1
Hope Paddypower paid us more than the club is going to get fined... Shambles. Yeah Mail Online...must be true. Disgusting! look at those 2 immigrants remorselessly bringing shame on our national game. Sir Alf would be turning in his grave!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 9:58:40 GMT 1
Do we have anyone in the know? I was a 100% sure it was a publicity stunt yesterday. now I'm about 80% sure it is. I do feel the club should clear everything up soon rather than later.
Come on think about it,,, Its NOT how the kit will look that we will be wearing this season.
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Jul 18, 2019 9:59:11 GMT 1
Do we have anyone in the know? I was a 100% sure it was a publicity stunt yesterday. now I'm about 80% sure it is. I do feel the club should clear everything up soon rather than later. I’m not in the know. It’s a publicity stunt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 10:00:56 GMT 1
I'm the same, but the amount of money that gets pumped into advertising and marketing globally suggests there's a majority that are influenced by it. It's strange in some respects, because they don't actually need to pump in vast amounts of cash because they light the touch paper and social media does the rest for them. Their advertising budgets go on making sure that their products remain in our psyche as you go about your daily life, on the buses, tubes, billboards etc. I don't work in advertising, but I think people would be surprised at how public sector organisations are having to commercialise things to supplement budget shortfalls. It's all around you & maybe that's the point. The people that don't spot the obvious are the ones that will have all that shite subliminally embedded in their grey matter... I'm off to boil some tripe, fuck it... TV advertising has become a lot cheaper over recent years, so they might not be spending the sums you would think. Sky's advertising service in particular can be so focused (eg all plumbers in Meltham) that it has become accessible to many small businesses and less wasteful. On the subject of TV advertising, betting companies in particular are going to have to start working hard to do their non TV awareness campaigns, since betting adverts on screen are now outlawed “whistle to whistle” (plus 5mins) for all sports other than racing. Awareness / consciousness insertion is all it is. Similar to the old smoking brand adverts. Nothing that PP do is going to make me open an account and bet with them, I’m oblivious and find what they do to be a mild background irritant. Nothing a smoking brand did was ever going to get me smoking. BUT...if I did smoke, and I was an 18 to 25 year old, and I regularly saw the Regal King Size Reg and Al, “I smoke ‘em cos my name is on ‘em” adverts, I’d possibly be tempted to swap brands and see what they’re like...or at least stay brand loyal. (And I guess smokers once they’ve been at it for a few years and settled on what they smoke, become immensely brand loyal, so those ads were about gaining market share from emerging smokers, and a small amount towards retaining share). The PP ads are similar. If I was a young impressionable into inane banter type humour, I’d maybe click on them and create an account as opposed to going to one of the more traditionally marketed like William Hill or Ladbroke or whatever. They’re saying, “come to us, we’re fun”. I It’s “Loaded” magazine in a betting brand...which is another reason I don’t get it, “lad humour”/“bantz” has surely ran its one dimensional tedious course by now?? (Although I guess Loaded closed because it was produced on paper rather than because of its content...if Paddy Power only had traditional shops and no online presence, they would be wasting their time with the way they go about things).
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