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Post by stanton1969 on Aug 7, 2019 9:19:21 GMT 1
I watched the whole game again www.footballorgin.com/huddersfield-town-vs-derby-full-match-championship-5-august-2019/
apart from a mad 5 mins we were better than Derby. Sounds crazy but it is true. Rewatch the game. For the first 15mins Town worked hard to get the upper hand. We were in control of the game until Elphick went gaga for a moment. While still flustered Derby got scored a great 2nd goal. The only other chance they had on goal was when Bacuna got fouled, which the ref didn't give, the ball went to the Derby player who fired fast into their striker and Grabara made a great save.
I am balanced and it must be pointed out Mooy, Bacuna and Pritchard while doing so good things were sloppy on the ball for the 1st 30 mins.
2nd half, Derby did not have a single shot on goal. We created Schindlers good chance which produced and excellent save and Kachunga's gold-plated chance on the 78th min.
It is clear Huddersfield are using a channel pressing system (players block off available passing channels) rather than player pressing (Wagner's system of compressed space and swarming around the opposition player to win the ball back). I think this is why some callers to the Radio Leeds post match were mentioning the fitness levels. In this new system unless an opportunity presents itself, we are not going to see high-up high-press tactics. On 2nd watch the players did not seem any less tired than the Derby players. Indeed the Town players were working harder as Derby were in a defensive formation.
Derby reached the play off finals, they are a good team and despite the main stream journalistic narrative Town were good. But we have got to finish our chances!
Imagine you're a Derby fan and you watched that.....you'd go home thinking it was the perfect away performance. Which it was. We were restricted to half chances.....they were not sitters by any means, at least not for us with the quality of our finishing. They were not tap-ins. Derby protected their lead well in the 2nd half. You would be delighted to see us win 2-1 away in that fashion. We were clueless. |
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Post by CaptainHart on Aug 7, 2019 9:58:00 GMT 1
I watched the whole game again www.footballorgin.com/huddersfield-town-vs-derby-full-match-championship-5-august-2019/
apart from a mad 5 mins we were better than Derby. Sounds crazy but it is true. Rewatch the game. For the first 15mins Town worked hard to get the upper hand. We were in control of the game until Elphick went gaga for a moment. While still flustered Derby got scored a great 2nd goal. The only other chance they had on goal was when Bacuna got fouled, which the ref didn't give, the ball went to the Derby player who fired fast into their striker and Grabara made a great save.
I am balanced and it must be pointed out Mooy, Bacuna and Pritchard while doing so good things were sloppy on the ball for the 1st 30 mins.
2nd half, Derby did not have a single shot on goal. We created Schindlers good chance which produced and excellent save and Kachunga's gold-plated chance on the 78th min.
It is clear Huddersfield are using a channel pressing system (players block off available passing channels) rather than player pressing (Wagner's system of compressed space and swarming around the opposition player to win the ball back). I think this is why some callers to the Radio Leeds post match were mentioning the fitness levels. In this new system unless an opportunity presents itself, we are not going to see high-up high-press tactics. On 2nd watch the players did not seem any less tired than the Derby players. Indeed the Town players were working harder as Derby were in a defensive formation.
Derby reached the play off finals, they are a good team and despite the main stream journalistic narrative Town were good. But we have got to finish our chances!
Imagine you're a Derby fan and you watched that.....you'd go home thinking it was the perfect away performance. Which it was. We were restricted to half chances.....they were not sitters by any means, at least not for us with the quality of our finishing. They were not tap-ins. Derby protected their lead well in the 2nd half. You would be delighted to see us win 2-1 away in that fashion. We were clueless. Kachunga's chance not a sitter? |
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Post by stanton1969 on Aug 7, 2019 10:00:24 GMT 1
Imagine you're a Derby fan and you watched that.....you'd go home thinking it was the perfect away performance. Which it was. We were restricted to half chances.....they were not sitters by any means, at least not for us with the quality of our finishing. They were not tap-ins. Derby protected their lead well in the 2nd half. You would be delighted to see us win 2-1 away in that fashion. We were clueless. Kachunga's chance not a sitter? Nope. Not for him, anyway. And there are 4 Derby players rushing back to cover. Not a sitter. It's a half chance. Might be a sitter for Harry Kane. The problem is, we need 10 chances like that to score 1 goal. And we created 2 in the second half, one of which fell to a centre back. |
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Post by htfc1908 on Aug 7, 2019 10:02:49 GMT 1
Hopefully all the knee-jerkers have gone.. i thought that was a rusty start but we had some cracking chances against a side that is supposedly one of the best in the division. More composure and a realisation that we go get good chances in this league and we will soon (i think) be up there this season. Some of our attacking play was good / promising. Yes the defence worries me (Schindler apart). Onwards and upwards ! To answer your question I'd say it's a definite NO!  |
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Post by zoso on Aug 7, 2019 10:10:01 GMT 1
New left back Get rid of Elphick Buy a top striker Get mega money player in. Try to attack up the middle instead of obsessed with wings. Job sorted. . The fact you haven't even listed a position... Who would you like; Messi or Ronaldo? Nic's just daft 95% of the time, which is a shame really. |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 7, 2019 16:36:18 GMT 1
I think that's the point. In isolation, Monday's performance (Elphick aside) wasn't actually all that bad. A few lapses in concentration here & there and there were times that we looked a bit disjointed but IMO there were plenty of positives to the performance too & we were worth a draw.
Problem is, it's on the back of a truly bloody awful record up to now, so much of the "benefit of the doubt" is beginning to wear off. "Unlucky not to get a point" is fine as one game, but there are only so many times you can be unlucky when the previous 6 months have been shit.
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Post by sensible idiot on Aug 7, 2019 16:59:11 GMT 1
We needed to win matches in the PL so should have spent £100 mill to buy Ronaldo and another £100 mill on his wages, cos he's a match winner... logic see!
But who would supply him I hear you ask.... maybe don't buy Ronaldo, buy a cheaper striker and instead buy Bale and Ali and Mahrez to supply him.... problem being together they'd cost more than Ronaldo. Hmmmmm, what to do?
I know! Maybe buy players just below that level... surely some of em would chose the Hudd over Milan or Paris or London? Maybe not ☹️
So, seems we were left to try and find players within our budget who had potential who were prepared to live in Gods own county...... so we did!
And it's what we did before DH / DW and it's what we will do long after.
For every Diakhaby I give you a Mooy, for every Flo I give you Schindler. In other words some work out just great and others not so good!
PL had its moments... some great but lots not so good, but we are now in the Championship.
Off the top of my head 46 games is 138 points, but we aren't gonna win every game. 90 points probably gets you automatic, so we can drop 48 points i.e. Lose 16 games and still do it!!!! 😄
If a play off finalist from last season, like Derby are amongst those 16 lost games then so be it.
In other words, we are WHO we are, we are WHERE we are, stop the delusions of grandeur...of course it could have been better, of course we all hoped it would be... BUT IT WAS ONE GAME. It doesn't make the season.
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Post by greyarea on Aug 7, 2019 17:12:57 GMT 1
I think that's the point. In isolation, Monday's performance (Elphick aside) wasn't actually all that bad. A few lapses in concentration here & there and there were times that we looked a bit disjointed but IMO there were plenty of positives to the performance too & we were worth a draw. Problem is, it's on the back of a truly bloody awful record up to now, so much of the "benefit of the doubt" is beginning to wear off. "Unlucky not to get a point" is fine as one game, but there are only so many times you can be unlucky when the previous 6 months have been shit. This is a fair view. Let's see how the team respond in the next 6 games. It is a point that has been made over various media. Bolton won 3 of the first 4. The first 6 games: 3 wins 2 draws and a loss to Sheff United en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Bolton_Wanderers_F.C._seasonAnd they went down. Norwich lost 2 of the first 4. The first 6 games: Lost 3, drew 2, won 1. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Norwich_City_F.C._seasonThey won the league. I agree about the 'benefit of doubt' time being in short supply, but it has been 1 game. A game that after re-watching shows we were certainly equals to Derby (in my view better). BBC stats back it up. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49147691 54% possession, 14 shots (ok only 2 on target =poor), 8 corners ot Derby's 0). very knee-jerky reactions after the first game although I appreciate the effect of having such a terrible season last year. We need a positive result to start a virtuous circle of positivity breeding positivity. |
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Post by hantstownexile on Aug 7, 2019 17:38:58 GMT 1
I do like positive thinking. TTID
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 7, 2019 17:41:50 GMT 1
I think that's the point. In isolation, Monday's performance (Elphick aside) wasn't actually all that bad. A few lapses in concentration here & there and there were times that we looked a bit disjointed but IMO there were plenty of positives to the performance too & we were worth a draw. Problem is, it's on the back of a truly bloody awful record up to now, so much of the "benefit of the doubt" is beginning to wear off. "Unlucky not to get a point" is fine as one game, but there are only so many times you can be unlucky when the previous 6 months have been shit. Yep, there were worse performances than that in our last championship season. Difference being they were spread in amongst plenty of decent ones. It's received such a bad reaction because it's the first game of the seaosn and everyone was hoping we would be much improved from last season (mainly because of the poorer standard of opposition) |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 7, 2019 18:44:43 GMT 1
I think that's the point. In isolation, Monday's performance (Elphick aside) wasn't actually all that bad. A few lapses in concentration here & there and there were times that we looked a bit disjointed but IMO there were plenty of positives to the performance too & we were worth a draw. Problem is, it's on the back of a truly bloody awful record up to now, so much of the "benefit of the doubt" is beginning to wear off. "Unlucky not to get a point" is fine as one game, but there are only so many times you can be unlucky when the previous 6 months have been shit. This is a fair view. Let's see how the team respond in the next 6 games. It is a point that has been made over various media. Bolton won 3 of the first 4. The first 6 games: 3 wins 2 draws and a loss to Sheff United en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Bolton_Wanderers_F.C._seasonAnd they went down. Norwich lost 2 of the first 4. The first 6 games: Lost 3, drew 2, won 1. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Norwich_City_F.C._seasonThey won the league. I agree about the 'benefit of doubt' time being in short supply, but it has been 1 game. A game that after re-watching shows we were certainly equals to Derby (in my view better). BBC stats back it up. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49147691 54% possession, 14 shots (ok only 2 on target =poor), 8 corners ot Derby's 0). very knee-jerky reactions after the first game although I appreciate the effect of having such a terrible season last year. We need a positive result to start a virtuous circle of positivity breeding positivity. Stats do perhaps belie the point that Derby didn't need to put much emphasis into attack when they were ahead. Too much is made of the fact we had a poor GD when we went up - we were bloody good at holding on to a lead & didn't need to smash teams. Same for Derby vs us. That said, even if we'd opened the season with an absolute dogshit performance (and Elphick aside, it wasn't) - it's one game. I wouldn't judge our promotion season on the games v Fulham or Bristol City either. And as you rightly point out, Norwich started last season poorly. I said last season I'd give him at least 6 games and evaluate after that. I see no reason to change that view. |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 7, 2019 18:46:41 GMT 1
I think that's the point. In isolation, Monday's performance (Elphick aside) wasn't actually all that bad. A few lapses in concentration here & there and there were times that we looked a bit disjointed but IMO there were plenty of positives to the performance too & we were worth a draw. Problem is, it's on the back of a truly bloody awful record up to now, so much of the "benefit of the doubt" is beginning to wear off. "Unlucky not to get a point" is fine as one game, but there are only so many times you can be unlucky when the previous 6 months have been shit. Yep, there were worse performances than that in our last championship season. Difference being they were spread in amongst plenty of decent ones. It's received such a bad reaction because it's the first game of the seaosn and everyone was hoping we would be much improved from last season (mainly because of the poorer standard of opposition) I agree, 1st game does seem to be viewed with more importance than the other 45. Human nature. Hopefully we'll put in a load of bloody good performances that'll make us look more favourably on Monday's game. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 19:39:21 GMT 1
Giants also heading for relegation.
Relegation city......:-(
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