the feelgood factor

[terrier2019]

last season ended dusted down got ready for new season full optimism then within space of a week im totally disolusioned with things playing style and club direction.only htfc could cock things up like this.the direction and investment on the playing side speaks volumes for our ambition.we sold 18-000 season tickets this year.just wait till next season the sales will plummet.what can we do as a club to take us forward!!!.

[teddytheterrier]

Kicking off against Accrington Stanley in a 1-0 home defeat.

[colnevalleyblue]

Give Hodgkinson and Jan what they asked, three transfer windows.

[Champers]

Aug 8, 2019 13:00:24 GMT 1 colnevalleyblue said:

Give Hodgkinson and Jan what they asked, three transfer windows.

To do what, sell all our assets and replace them with shite?

[huddersfc]

At this rate in 3 transfer windows with Jan and Phil, we will be heading to league 2 with a stash of money and 11 lower league players

[tvor]

Who knows what’s gonna happen today. After the shirt reveal, we should wait until the window closes before we go into meltdown.

[Chips Longhorn]

Fuck me datm has turned into bedwetter city. Pipe down we are in a stronger position than at any time in last 45 years barring the Wagner miracle years .. Get over yourself

[dugnet]

This is a fair point. I generally, naturally, look for the positives in all things Town but if I am genuinely concerned about what we are doing and the direction of travel then there must be something wrong. Not that I am always right, far from it, but what is happening is so disappointing, especially when you thought we were coming from a position of relative strength.

It is said the club use social media to gauge the feeling among the fans - I hope they are taking in how many of us are feeling right now. Just because we have a great season ticket deal doesn't mean we can't be worried about where we are heading.

[colnevalleyblue]

Aug 8, 2019 13:01:57 GMT 1 Champers said:

Aug 8, 2019 13:00:24 GMT 1 colnevalleyblue said:

Give Hodgkinson and Jan what they asked, three transfer windows.

To do what, sell all our assets and replace them with shite?

What's the alternative then?

How do you suppose HTAFC breaks even/makes a profit in order to not fall foul of FFP?

[mallyb]

Aug 8, 2019 13:00:24 GMT 1 colnevalleyblue said:

Give Hodgkinson and Jan what they asked, three transfer windows.

They are not going to get 3 windows!!!! The fact they think they will should be ringing alarm bells. This was the window where we could attract top players in the championship and the crowd had the optimism for the season. If this season continues as it has started, the 10K fans added over the last few years will be gone and wont return. You can call them all the names you want, and shout about not wanting fans that wont lap up whatever dross the owner serves up. That should help change their mind!!

[Farsley Terrier (UK product)]

Aug 8, 2019 13:13:31 GMT 1 mallyb said:

Aug 8, 2019 13:00:24 GMT 1 colnevalleyblue said:

Give Hodgkinson and Jan what they asked, three transfer windows.

They are not going to get 3 windows!!!! The fact they think they will should be ringing alarm bells. This was the window where we could attract top players in the championship and the crowd had the optimism for the season. If this season continues as it has started, the 10K fans added over the last few years will be gone and wont return. You can call them all the names you want, and shout about not wanting fans that wont lap up whatever dross the owner serves up. That should help change their mind!!

I kind of agree.  We have to be showing some ambition.  Now we know why the club was pushing Season Ticket sales, because if people had known about the firesale we'd have been lucky to sell 12000.

[Yorkie]

Aug 8, 2019 13:05:36 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Fuck me datm has turned into bedwetter city. Pipe down we are in a stronger position than at any time in last 45 years barring the Wagner miracle years .. Get over yourself

So you think we will finish 7th or higher?

[dugnet]

Aug 8, 2019 13:05:36 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Fuck me datm has turned into bedwetter city. Pipe down we are in a stronger position than at any time in last 45 years barring the Wagner miracle years .. Get over yourself

Oh that's alright then, we've had 3 great seasons in 45 and have achieved things we could only have dreamt of .

If then we fail to build on a position of relative strength, sell our best players, hire a coach with no track record in senior competitive football and transfer ownership to a chap we know little about, who talks in riddles and there is a suggestion that the deal he took over with needs closer scrutiny, we should all be grateful because David Wagner did the impossible???

Really???

I can accept we need to be sensible, that is fine, but it is not sensible to:

Clearly see that a coach is struggling to meet the standards required

Sell our best players (and not have credible replacements)

Tell people one thing and then not deliver against it (the rhetoric about transfers seems a little awry)

Go from being a transparent and entirely trustworthy organisation to something that looks increasingly murky and open to question.

I will now go and turn my mattress over.

[Champers]

Aug 8, 2019 13:13:06 GMT 1 colnevalleyblue said:

Aug 8, 2019 13:01:57 GMT 1 Champers said:

To do what, sell all our assets and replace them with shite?

What's the alternative then?

How do you suppose HTAFC breaks even/makes a profit in order to not fall foul of FFP?

Oh I don't know, by attempting to be successful maybe?

[mallyb]

Aug 8, 2019 13:13:06 GMT 1 colnevalleyblue said:

Aug 8, 2019 13:01:57 GMT 1 Champers said:

To do what, sell all our assets and replace them with shite?

What's the alternative then?

How do you suppose HTAFC breaks even/makes a profit in order to not fall foul of FFP?

Don't need to make a profit to comply with FFP. In fact to comply we can't lose more than £39M over a 3 year period. All Championship Chairman have to put their hand in their pocket, to plan to run the club on a self sufficient model shows you are not rich enough to own the club. Mooy should have been replaced before he was loaned with a permanent signing knowing the contract situation, and knowing that all the talk of players leaving for top money would evaporate on the last day of the window and we would sell zanka for peanuts and virtually give mooy away.

[royrace]

Doesn't look good does it, lose on Saturday (seems highly likely after watching monday) and fans will vote with their feet.

[Chips Longhorn]

Aug 8, 2019 13:15:39 GMT 1 Yorkie said:

Aug 8, 2019 13:05:36 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Fuck me datm has turned into bedwetter city. Pipe down we are in a stronger position than at any time in last 45 years barring the Wagner miracle years .. Get over yourself

So you think we will finish 7th or higher?

Did i say that ? Where have we been finishing in last 40 years? We had one near miss under ruberry n promptly went bust cos it was built on sand .. So we are.stronger than then imo

[Chips Longhorn]

Aug 8, 2019 13:17:08 GMT 1 dugnet said:

Aug 8, 2019 13:05:36 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Fuck me datm has turned into bedwetter city. Pipe down we are in a stronger position than at any time in last 45 years barring the Wagner miracle years .. Get over yourself

Oh that's alright then, we've had 3 great seasons in 45 and have achieved things we could only have dreamt of .

If then we fail to build on a position of relative strength, sell our best players, hire a coach with no track record in senior competitive football and transfer ownership to a chap we know little about, who talks in riddles and there is a suggestion that the deal he took over with needs closer scrutiny, we should all be grateful because David Wagner did the impossible???

Really???

I can accept we need to be sensible, that is fine, but it is not sensible to:

Clearly see that a coach is struggling to meet the standards required

Sell our best players (and not have credible replacements)

Tell people one thing and then not deliver against it (the rhetoric about transfers seems a little awry)

Go from being a transparent and entirely trustworthy organisation to something that looks increasingly murky and open to question.

I will now go and turn my mattress over.

Haha yeah good idea .. I'm not saying all is rosy .. I'd certainly get shut of JS .. BUT yea bigger picture I think things are relatively good .. time will tell how good bad or indifferent PH is and how.murky he is (pe4sonally im fin3 with sheerman w4iting letters ) but the bottom line is at present WE HAVE TO TRUST THE CLUB

[Deleted]

As I posted somewhere else. This is/was our strongest possibility of returning to the big time. The parachute money, the players. Give the one season, one chance to get back speech. Sell the ones that downed tools for the maximum and add some real quality to the team. In two years time after these windows they speak of, we will be back to buying from the lower, developing and selling for higher. Wasting the best opportunity to get back. We did it out of luck on nothing last time, we have everything to get there or at least try this time. If it doesn’t work then do what we are next season after the promise to the high quality players. Anyhow I think that’s enough internet for me today

[Mastercracker]

Aug 8, 2019 13:55:05 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Aug 8, 2019 13:17:08 GMT 1 dugnet said:

Oh that's alright then, we've had 3 great seasons in 45 and have achieved things we could only have dreamt of .

If then we fail to build on a position of relative strength, sell our best players, hire a coach with no track record in senior competitive football and transfer ownership to a chap we know little about, who talks in riddles and there is a suggestion that the deal he took over with needs closer scrutiny, we should all be grateful because David Wagner did the impossible???

Really???

I can accept we need to be sensible, that is fine, but it is not sensible to:

Clearly see that a coach is struggling to meet the standards required

Sell our best players (and not have credible replacements)

Tell people one thing and then not deliver against it (the rhetoric about transfers seems a little awry)

Go from being a transparent and entirely trustworthy organisation to something that looks increasingly murky and open to question.

I will now go and turn my mattress over.

Haha yeah good idea .. I'm not saying all is rosy .. I'd certainly get shut of JS .. BUT yea bigger picture I think things are relatively good .. time will tell how good bad or indifferent PH is and how.murky he is (pe4sonally im fin3 with sheerman w4iting letters ) but the bottom line is at present WE HAVE TO TRUST THE CLUB

The problem is Ted that for the premier league to be anything other than a "moment in time", we almost certainly need to strike whilst the iron is still hot. Yes our tickets are cheap but have just proved over the last 3 years that we are absoluely in the same ballpark as the likes of Palace, Watford, WBA, Boro, etc etc. We are not the shithouse village outfit that many portray. There was always plenty of fans, they'd just lapsed because we had had nothing to shout about for 50 years. "Same old town" sydrome i call it. David Wagner finally awoke the fanbase.


But unlike some of those clubs of similar fanbases, we dont generate the same revenue, are not financed to the same tune and its looking more and more like we simply dont have the same ambition. Bar a miracle worker we were never seeing the Top Flight. If we dont make the most of our current income status, its taking a miracle again. All the while the numbers/atmosphere will be slipping away year on year until we are back to being that shithouse club again. Unlike half of this league its highly unlikely we can get promoted/challange at the top end of this league without parachute money. West Brom will return to the top flight sooner or later whether they have parachute money or not. I dont think that can be said for us, hence the clock is ticking


I can take or leave the premier league, but I absolutely do not want to return to 11k gates, lowest budgets in the league, ambivalent fans and managing expectations that put us on a footing with Rotherham rather than what i think are our actual peers. That would be even more soul destroying now we've actually seen what we can be in the modern era. The prospect of all that slipping away for the sake of being overly prudent and/or backing an increasingly dodgy looking manager is what has me and others antsy I think.

[Deleted]

Aug 8, 2019 12:58:52 GMT 1 terrier2019 said:

last season ended dusted down got ready for new season full optimism then within space of a week im totally disolusioned with things playing style and club direction.only htfc could cock things up like this.the direction and investment on the playing side speaks volumes for our ambition.we sold 18-000 season tickets this year.just wait till next season the sales will plummet.what can we do as a club to take us forward!!!.

I think a lot of people, myself included feel like this. Took about 20 mins on Monday and then today has topped it off.........2 hours to make something of this season or its lower mid table at best (provided JS continues trying to play this system the players are not buying into). 

Remember Norwich lost their first 6 last year...........its the hope that kills!

[Chips Longhorn]

Aug 8, 2019 14:24:24 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

Aug 8, 2019 13:55:05 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Haha yeah good idea .. I'm not saying all is rosy .. I'd certainly get shut of JS .. BUT yea bigger picture I think things are relatively good .. time will tell how good bad or indifferent PH is and how.murky he is (pe4sonally im fin3 with sheerman w4iting letters ) but the bottom line is at present WE HAVE TO TRUST THE CLUB

The problem is Ted that for the premier league to be anything other than a "moment in time", we almost certainly need to strike whilst the iron is still hot. Yes our tickets are cheap but have just proved over the last 3 years that we are absoluely in the same ballpark as the likes of Palace, Watford, WBA, Boro, etc etc. We are not the shithouse village outfit that many portray. There was always plenty of fans, they'd just lapsed because we had had nothing to shout about for 50 years. "Same old town" sydrome i call it. David Wagner finally awoke the fanbase.


But unlike some of those clubs of similar fanbases, we dont generate the same revenue, are not financed to the same tune and its looking more and more like we simply dont have the same ambition. Bar a miracle worker we were never seeing the Top Flight. If we dont make the most of our current income status, its taking a miracle again. All the while the numbers/atmosphere will be slipping away year on year until we are back to being that shithouse club again. Unlike half of this league its highly unlikely we can get promoted/challange at the top end of this league without parachute money. West Brom will return to the top flight sooner or later whether they have parachute money or not. I dont think that can be said for us, hence the clock is ticking


I can take or leave the premier league, but I absolutely do not want to return to 11k gates, lowest budgets in the league, ambivalent fans and managing expectations that put us on a footing with Rotherham rather than what i think are our actual peers. That would be even more soul destroying now we've actually seen what we can be in the modern era. The prospect of all that slipping away for the sake of being overly prudent and/or backing an increasingly dodgy looking manager is what has me and others antsy I think.

I want all you want .. are we being "overly prudent " ? I don't know . Do you know? Does anyone on here know ? If I'm honest I'd prefer to see us win the league the champions league then go bust and play in the vanarama rather than stay in the champs and league one forever . If I was a chairman I'm sure I'd be looking to be prudent, to build from a solid base, rather than end up like Bolton... So is Phil being prudent? Possibly.. over prudent ? I don't think we have any evidence for that.. and as for the manager .. Get rid asap ;-)

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Aug 8, 2019 19:15:56 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Aug 8, 2019 14:24:24 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

The problem is Ted that for the premier league to be anything other than a "moment in time", we almost certainly need to strike whilst the iron is still hot. Yes our tickets are cheap but have just proved over the last 3 years that we are absoluely in the same ballpark as the likes of Palace, Watford, WBA, Boro, etc etc. We are not the shithouse village outfit that many portray. There was always plenty of fans, they'd just lapsed because we had had nothing to shout about for 50 years. "Same old town" sydrome i call it. David Wagner finally awoke the fanbase.


But unlike some of those clubs of similar fanbases, we dont generate the same revenue, are not financed to the same tune and its looking more and more like we simply dont have the same ambition. Bar a miracle worker we were never seeing the Top Flight. If we dont make the most of our current income status, its taking a miracle again. All the while the numbers/atmosphere will be slipping away year on year until we are back to being that shithouse club again. Unlike half of this league its highly unlikely we can get promoted/challange at the top end of this league without parachute money. West Brom will return to the top flight sooner or later whether they have parachute money or not. I dont think that can be said for us, hence the clock is ticking


I can take or leave the premier league, but I absolutely do not want to return to 11k gates, lowest budgets in the league, ambivalent fans and managing expectations that put us on a footing with Rotherham rather than what i think are our actual peers. That would be even more soul destroying now we've actually seen what we can be in the modern era. The prospect of all that slipping away for the sake of being overly prudent and/or backing an increasingly dodgy looking manager is what has me and others antsy I think.

I want all you want .. are we being "overly prudent " ? I don't know . Do you know? Does anyone on here know ? If I'm honest I'd prefer to see us win the league the champions league then go bust and play in the vanarama rather than stay in the champs and league one forever . If I was a chairman I'm sure I'd be looking to be prudent, to build from a solid base, rather than end up like Bolton... So is Phil being prudent? Possibly.. over prudent ? I don't think we have any evidence for that.. and as for the manager .. Get rid asap ;-)

Over prudent imo.

[Chips Longhorn]

It's an opinion.. based on not much knowledge unless you're a club insider.. maybe you're the club driver ?

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Aug 8, 2019 21:42:16 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

It's an opinion.. based on not much knowledge unless you're a club insider.. maybe you're the club driver ?

I know they've offered an explanation as to where all the money has gone but there is no way the 220 million quid earnt over the PL has gone, surely? I'm no mathematical genius but either the club have mismanaged the brass or the PL is not the cash cow we are led to believe?

What's the deal with Mooy too? Why the hell have we loaned him out? If he wants to go we sell and get his full value, unless Brighton have agreed to buy him after the loan minus a loan fee? Seems to me Brighton have got the best deal, we are now minus Mooy plus no brass to show for it only the saving in his salary. Ok we got that Chalobah but he is unknown.

Where's the 3 loan signings that Hodgkinson stated in the Q&A? Big promise immediately not delivered.

[66738]

Aug 8, 2019 21:49:58 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

Aug 8, 2019 21:42:16 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

It's an opinion.. based on not much knowledge unless you're a club insider.. maybe you're the club driver ?

I know they've offered an explanation as to where all the money has gone but there is no way the 220 million quid earnt over the PL has gone, surely? I'm no mathematical genius but either the club have mismanaged the brass or the PL is not the cash cow we are led to believe?

What's the deal with Mooy too? Why the hell have we loaned him out? If he wants to go we sell and get his full value, unless Brighton have agreed to buy him after the loan minus a loan fee? Seems to me Brighton have got the best deal, we are now minus Mooy plus no brass to show for it only the saving in his salary. Ok we got that Chalobah but he is unknown.

Where's the 3 loan signings that Hodgkinson stated in the Q&A? Big promise immediately not delivered.

Would have thought we have received a loan fee for him. In my simple head, I have used this example to understand what Town have done.
I own a house. I could sell it now and get £100k for it, or I could rent it out for a year at £500 per month. Rake in £6000 rent (then take off tax), and sell it in a years time for £100k. I know it’s stupid to compare the two situations but it works for me.

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Aug 8, 2019 21:58:56 GMT 1 66738 said:

Aug 8, 2019 21:49:58 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

I know they've offered an explanation as to where all the money has gone but there is no way the 220 million quid earnt over the PL has gone, surely? I'm no mathematical genius but either the club have mismanaged the brass or the PL is not the cash cow we are led to believe?

What's the deal with Mooy too? Why the hell have we loaned him out? If he wants to go we sell and get his full value, unless Brighton have agreed to buy him after the loan minus a loan fee? Seems to me Brighton have got the best deal, we are now minus Mooy plus no brass to show for it only the saving in his salary. Ok we got that Chalobah but he is unknown.

Where's the 3 loan signings that Hodgkinson stated in the Q&A? Big promise immediately not delivered.

Would have thought we have received a loan fee for him. In my simple head, I have used this example to understand what Town have done.
I own a house. I could sell it now and get £100k for it, or I could rent it out for a year at £500 per month. Rake in £6000 rent (then take off tax), and sell it in a years time for £100k. I know it’s stupid to compare the two situations but it works for me.

I've got a tent you can borrow.

[Chips Longhorn]

Aug 8, 2019 21:49:58 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

Aug 8, 2019 21:42:16 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

It's an opinion.. based on not much knowledge unless you're a club insider.. maybe you're the club driver ?

I know they've offered an explanation as to where all the money has gone but there is no way the 220 million quid earnt over the PL has gone, surely? I'm no mathematical genius but either the club have mismanaged the brass or the PL is not the cash cow we are led to believe?

What's the deal with Mooy too? Why the hell have we loaned him out? If he wants to go we sell and get his full value, unless Brighton have agreed to buy him after the loan minus a loan fee? Seems to me Brighton have got the best deal, we are now minus Mooy plus no brass to show for it only the saving in his salary. Ok we got that Chalobah but he is unknown.

Just on the last bit . Might we not have got a loan fee for Mooy ? My disappointment comes more for who we haven't got this window , not for who has gone . Mooy my favourite town player. Billing I feel is a massive talent in waiting if he applies himself .. But neither would have had much impact for us because their hearts werent in it.. it fucks me off as much as it does you but its modern football .. it's what happens . Do you really think we should have let mooy run down his contract? We've obviously used the fact Mooy wants to go.to Brighton as a bargaining chip to ensure we gain more out of him in the future .. I don't know the ins and outs but we've been quite canny with our outgoings in the last few years .. So we have to trust the club .. personally .. and I'm being honest here .. I don't feel this window is anywhere near as bad as this time last year... its obvious that that was one almighty fuck up and reading between the lines they admit it.. I'd have liked maybe 3 players of quality more (maybe weve been teying to get them who knows ?!!!) BUT we still have a squad with enough ability to compete. The problem for.me is the manager but a couple of defeats and I think it will become difficult for him .. no one has said that the money has all run out and I'm sure there will be a kitty in January .. I totally understood what PH was talking about when he spoke of three windows .. unfortunately.. and this is football.. we had a bunch of players who didn't want to be here , who had just taken a pay cut, who aren't going to give it the 110 per cent needed . It's such a difficult time for the club .. stick or twist ... look at Sunderland... and the ling list ending in Bolton who are struggling BIG TIME. Phil H is guarding against this .. But so would have Dean Hoyle .. You're not telling me DH would have done anything differently indeed I'm sure he would have been involved in all the deals in one way or another .. The fans need to settle down a bit.. we've got good players.. lewis o brien is a good player. Reece Brown is a good player. I'm more worried about our 4 3 3 and the gaffer than I am the players tbh

[66738]

Aug 8, 2019 22:02:50 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

Aug 8, 2019 21:58:56 GMT 1 66738 said:

Would have thought we have received a loan fee for him. In my simple head, I have used this example to understand what Town have done.
I own a house. I could sell it now and get £100k for it, or I could rent it out for a year at £500 per month. Rake in £6000 rent (then take off tax), and sell it in a years time for £100k. I know it’s stupid to compare the two situations but it works for me.

I've got a tent you can borrow.

Don’t need one Art. It’s part of a property portfolio.

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Aug 8, 2019 22:08:39 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Aug 8, 2019 21:49:58 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

I know they've offered an explanation as to where all the money has gone but there is no way the 220 million quid earnt over the PL has gone, surely? I'm no mathematical genius but either the club have mismanaged the brass or the PL is not the cash cow we are led to believe?

What's the deal with Mooy too? Why the hell have we loaned him out? If he wants to go we sell and get his full value, unless Brighton have agreed to buy him after the loan minus a loan fee? Seems to me Brighton have got the best deal, we are now minus Mooy plus no brass to show for it only the saving in his salary. Ok we got that Chalobah but he is unknown.

Just on the last bit . Might we not have got a loan fee for Mooy ? My disappointment comes more for who we haven't got this window , not for who has gone . Mooy my favourite town player. Billing I feel is a massive talent in waiting if he applies himself .. But neither would have had much impact for us because their hearts werent in it.. it fucks me off as much as it does you but its modern football .. it's what happens . Do you really think we should have let mooy run down his contract? We've obviously used the fact Mooy wants to go.to Brighton as a bargaining chip to ensure we gain more out of him in the future .. I don't know the ins and outs but we've been quite canny with our outgoings in the last few years .. So we have to trust the club .. personally .. and I'm being honest here .. I don't feel this window is anywhere near as bad as this time last year... its obvious that that was one almighty fuck up and reading between the lines they admit it.. I'd have liked maybe 3 players of quality more (maybe weve been teying to get them who knows ?!!!) BUT we still have a squad with enough ability to compete. The problem for.me is the manager but a couple of defeats and I think it will become difficult for him .. no one has said that the money has all run out and I'm sure there will be a kitty in January .. I totally understood what PH was talking about when he spoke of three windows .. unfortunately.. and this is football.. we had a bunch of players who didn't want to be here , who had just taken a pay cut, who aren't going to give it the 110 per cent needed . It's such a difficult time for the club .. stick or twist ... look at Sunderland... and the ling list ending in Bolton who are struggling BIG TIME. Phil H is guarding against this .. But so would have Dean Hoyle .. You're not telling me DH would have done anything differently indeed I'm sure he would have been involved in all the deals in one way or another .. The fans need to settle down a bit.. we've got good players.. lewis o brien is a good player. Reece Brown is a good player. I'm more worried about our 4 3 3 and the gaffer than I am the players tbh

I did raise my concerns pre season over the 433, we discussed it and the first opportunity it's badly exposed. I agree the fans need to chill out a bit, it's gone bat shit crazy on here today, just hope they don't get on the players back at games.