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Post by nicovaesen on Aug 8, 2019 21:33:24 GMT 1
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 8, 2019 21:34:36 GMT 1
'We are minted'
Our incomings would suggest we are skint.
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Aug 8, 2019 21:47:52 GMT 1
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Post by londonterrier23 on Aug 8, 2019 21:47:52 GMT 1
I can tell you someone else who hasn't run a business worth tens of millions of pounds, Phil Hodgkinson. Do you prefer a Chinese or Arab millionaire as an owner and who wants to extend his small dick to impress the girls by owning HTFC?
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 8, 2019 21:58:51 GMT 1
I don't get what the issue is. We've loads of nice white seats and a blue carpet around the pitch. What bloody more do you want
They'll look fantastic when there's no one sat in them in 3 months time
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Aug 8, 2019 22:35:04 GMT 1
Can't agree with your assumption o.n the wage bill. No money left in either season in the premiere league. Transfermarkt shows the 50 million each year on transfers and the same amount on wages. Hoyle and PH both said so and Dean pt in an extra 15 million. Now you have to pay Dean off. Pretty tight budget now. Yep, that's what DH said on the "And He Takes That Chance" podcast. Almost everything went on transfers and wages whilst we were in the PL. I think it was then that he realised that he/we weren't in the same league financially. If the amount of money which you spend at the club dictated how much say you had in the club's running, then PH has no competitors. He spends thousands, if not millions on the club, yet most fans give a maximum of say £500 by way of SC and souvenirs etc. What right does that give them to criticise a guy who has but thousands of times what they have put in. I know it's a sign of today's open attitude but I am a firm believer that as far as HTAFC policy etc is concerned, less is more |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 8, 2019 22:45:17 GMT 1
Yep, that's what DH said on the "And He Takes That Chance" podcast. Almost everything went on transfers and wages whilst we were in the PL. I think it was then that he realised that he/we weren't in the same league financially. If the amount of money which you spend at the club dictated how much say you had in the club's running, then PH has no competitors. He spends thousands, if not millions on the club, yet most fans give a maximum of say £500 by way of SC and souvenirs etc. What right does that give them to criticise a guy who has but thousands of times what they have put in. I know it's a sign of today's open attitude but I am a firm believer that as far as HTAFC policy etc is concerned, less is more As customer's of the club we have every right to question the club's actions. Nobody forced Hodgkinson to buy the club. I'm sure Dean Hoyle wouldn't have objected to folk querying his actions. In fact in his recent podcast interview he said that he regularly came onto DATM to gauge people's opinions. |
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Post by impact on Aug 8, 2019 22:52:17 GMT 1
No I haven't. But I'm decent with numbers. And I think this shows there was money there to spend on 1 or 2 players. Not the 34m, but certainly 5-10m on 2 good additions. I can't chill out watching us lose our main assets and not replace them properly. ..even though we were told to,expect that if players left late in window we wouldn’t panic and potentially they wouldn’t be replaced as such until January or even next summer, we won’t just rush out and sign players for the sake of bringing them in. 5-10m may come in really useful when players like Kachunga, Quaner, VLP etc who are likely to be squad players eventually leave on a free. But pointless buying their replacements now, whilst they’re still here. That's not the replacements we need. We are a centre mid and left back short. This window we sold or released 2 left backs (0 brought in) and 3 centre mids (2 brought in). Phil himself said this: We haven't done that. And leaving it until January could prove to be too late. I'm pretty sure in his Q & A he said we had replacements lined up as well. |
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Post by buckers on Aug 8, 2019 22:54:18 GMT 1
Can't agree with your assumption o.n the wage bill. No money left in either season in the premiere league. Transfermarkt shows the 50 million each year on transfers and the same amount on wages. Hoyle and PH both said so and Dean pt in an extra 15 million. Now you have to pay Dean off. Pretty tight budget now. Yep, that's what DH said on the "And He Takes That Chance" podcast. Almost everything went on transfers and wages whilst we were in the PL. I think it was then that he realised that he/we weren't in the same league financially. So he sold the club to a bloke with less money than him? |
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 8, 2019 22:54:56 GMT 1
We invest £000's of £ over our life watching the team (tickets, travel costs etc). We invest hours and hours of devotion watching our club, travelling to watch our club etc. ...but you think the finances are "None of our business". Could you explain and justify your point (please). On the other hand we pay really really low SC card prices and have done for years If we had to pay the going rate I reckon 50% would walk away. The way things are going that might happen anyway and we’ll end up back with the inelastic position |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 23:05:18 GMT 1
..even though we were told to,expect that if players left late in window we wouldn’t panic and potentially they wouldn’t be replaced as such until January or even next summer, we won’t just rush out and sign players for the sake of bringing them in. 5-10m may come in really useful when players like Kachunga, Quaner, VLP etc who are likely to be squad players eventually leave on a free. But pointless buying their replacements now, whilst they’re still here. That's not the replacements we need. We are a centre mid and left back short. This window we sold or released 2 left backs (0 brought in) and 3 centre mids (2 brought in). Phil himself said this: We haven't done that. And leaving it until January could prove to be too late. I'm pretty sure in his Q & A he said we had replacements lined up as well. We HAVE done that. It was clearly stated that whilst there’s a one in, one out policy, that won’t apply in respect of those players on the books who weren’t expected to feature / didn’t have a squad number anyway. So....Billing, Zanka, Sabiri and Hamer leaving doesn’t have a knock on impact on incomings....but Mooy leaves, who was actively in this seasons squad, and he gets replaced....immediately...by Chalaboah. Who, since they got to the “happy squad size” state has left from the PLAYING squad and not been replaced?? I’m pretty sure it’s nobody. |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 8, 2019 23:09:24 GMT 1
That's not the replacements we need. We are a centre mid and left back short. This window we sold or released 2 left backs (0 brought in) and 3 centre mids (2 brought in). Phil himself said this: We haven't done that. And leaving it until January could prove to be too late. I'm pretty sure in his Q & A he said we had replacements lined up as well. We HAVE done that. It was clearly stated that whilst there’s a one in, one out policy, that won’t apply in respect of those players on the books who weren’t expected to feature / didn’t have a squad number anyway. So....Billing, Zanka, Sabiri and Hamer leaving doesn’t have a knock on impact on incomings....but Mooy leaves, who was actively in this seasons squad, and he gets replaced....immediately...by Chalaboah. Who, since they got to the “happy squad size” state has left from the PLAYING squad and not been replaced?? I’m pretty sure it’s nobody. Whether they were given squad numbers or not, Billing, Zanka and Hamer played a significant number of PL matches between them last year so I'd argue that they were players that should have come under the "1 in 1 out" arbitrary rule that was seemingly imposed by our new regime. |
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Post by impact on Aug 8, 2019 23:10:23 GMT 1
That's not the replacements we need. We are a centre mid and left back short. This window we sold or released 2 left backs (0 brought in) and 3 centre mids (2 brought in). Phil himself said this: We haven't done that. And leaving it until January could prove to be too late. I'm pretty sure in his Q & A he said we had replacements lined up as well. We HAVE done that. It was clearly stated that whilst there’s a one in, one out policy, that won’t apply in respect of those players on the books who weren’t expected to feature / didn’t have a squad number anyway. So....Billing, Zanka, Sabiri and Hamer leaving doesn’t have a knock on impact on incomings....but Mooy leaves, who was actively in this seasons squad, and he gets replaced....immediately...by Chalaboah. Who, since they got to the “happy squad size” state has left from the PLAYING squad and not been replaced?? I’m pretty sure it’s nobody. Please link me to the part where it says anyone without a squad number would not get replaced. Thanks. What is very clear is we are a left back short. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 23:17:01 GMT 1
We HAVE done that. It was clearly stated that whilst there’s a one in, one out policy, that won’t apply in respect of those players on the books who weren’t expected to feature / didn’t have a squad number anyway. So....Billing, Zanka, Sabiri and Hamer leaving doesn’t have a knock on impact on incomings....but Mooy leaves, who was actively in this seasons squad, and he gets replaced....immediately...by Chalaboah. Who, since they got to the “happy squad size” state has left from the PLAYING squad and not been replaced?? I’m pretty sure it’s nobody. Whether they were given squad numbers or not, Billing, Zanka and Hamer played a significant number of PL matches between them last year so I'd argue that they were players that should have come under the "1 in 1 out" arbitrary rule that was seemingly imposed by our new regime. I’m just stating what Phil H has declared is how they’re going to do things....and he seems to be sticking to it pretty rigidly, whilst lots are suggesting he’s not delivering on promises etc, he is. My opinion though is that the squad isn’t balanced effectively, and it’s a pretty stupid approach to managing a squad...especially when we’ve been sold the mantra over last few years that when opportunities arise, we make those signings, irrespective of when it happens or who is in the squad. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 9, 2019 6:51:11 GMT 1
Yep, that's what DH said on the "And He Takes That Chance" podcast. Almost everything went on transfers and wages whilst we were in the PL. I think it was then that he realised that he/we weren't in the same league financially. I don't know about that, but there are plenty of fuckwits about who seem to want to guess at all the figures and nash their teeth that he didn't sell to a multi billionaire . What he did do was to sell to someone with the best interests of the club at heart rather than some foreign moneybags who viewed owning the club as an extension to their penis. You can of course listen here where that and many other questions are answered. |
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Post by detox on Aug 9, 2019 8:20:42 GMT 1
Not sure that some people have grasped the fact that the players have to want to join the club, we can't force them, other than by breaking our wage structure. The way things are at present, the sway of agents and hard & fast deadline days like today all add to the pressure & ramp up prices. That lad from Chelsea might have joined due to a combination of factors, but he may also have been speaking to Kasey Palmer & Izzy Brown, or may be mates with someone else who's gone on loan locally etc. We don't know, but I can't imagine he was the only signing we were targeting this window. As I've said, try and have a look at the Chris Wilder thing. Much smaller sums of money, yet he gets 2 out of the 5 targets & the other 3 don't join primarily because of their agents using racketeering tactics. Putting a deadline on the transfer window was probably well meant, but unfortunately it seems to have resulted only in benefiting clubs who are prepared to take a shit or bust punt in some cases, clubs who are also prepared to play hard and fast on the edges of FFP regs etc. or those with ridiculously deep pockets like Man C. The media and agent driven frenzy doesn't really help well run clubs like Town. The money we'll eventually have accrued from the PL yrs will keep the club in good shape for many yrs to come & we'll have a training facility the likes of which we'll have never seen at the club. All positives in my book & if we do become a stable Championship club with the odd foray upwards it should then make it easier to sell the club to prospective signings. With the way that the Salah transfer ended so tragically & with the alleged ramping and subterfuge that went on with agents to bump up the price, you'd have thought the authorities might want to start reining in the power that agents & players wield (no real objection to a degree of PP). I know that didn't cause those poor bloke's deaths, but it's blown open far more publicly what goes on behind all these deals. maybe it's time to scrap the transfer windows, which was only introduced to stop clubs buying star players in march/April/May to 'get them over the line' in league or cup competitions.. The window could stay open from June 1st to February28th each year, therby easing pressure on everyone and also reining in the agents who are exploiting the high demand season currently to make a fortune. |
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Post by detox on Aug 9, 2019 8:37:08 GMT 1
We HAVE done that. It was clearly stated that whilst there’s a one in, one out policy, that won’t apply in respect of those players on the books who weren’t expected to feature / didn’t have a squad number anyway. So....Billing, Zanka, Sabiri and Hamer leaving doesn’t have a knock on impact on incomings....but Mooy leaves, who was actively in this seasons squad, and he gets replaced....immediately...by Chalaboah. Who, since they got to the “happy squad size” state has left from the PLAYING squad and not been replaced?? I’m pretty sure it’s nobody. Please link me to the part where it says anyone without a squad number would not get replaced. Thanks. What is very clear is we are a left back short. That comment reminded me when we were well known for producing the best left backs...I can't remember them all so others might add a few but just off the top of my head Wilson, McNab, Hutt, Legg, Cattlin, Cherry, Robinson,..... |
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Post by impact on Aug 9, 2019 10:09:30 GMT 1
Please link me to the part where it says anyone without a squad number would not get replaced. Thanks. What is very clear is we are a left back short. That comment reminded me when we were well known for producing the best left backs...I can't remember them all so others might add a few but just off the top of my head Wilson, McNab, Hutt, Legg, Cattlin, Cherry, Robinson,..... Don't forget Joe Skarz, Robbie Williams, Dominic Werling |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 10:17:16 GMT 1
We HAVE done that. It was clearly stated that whilst there’s a one in, one out policy, that won’t apply in respect of those players on the books who weren’t expected to feature / didn’t have a squad number anyway. So....Billing, Zanka, Sabiri and Hamer leaving doesn’t have a knock on impact on incomings....but Mooy leaves, who was actively in this seasons squad, and he gets replaced....immediately...by Chalaboah. Who, since they got to the “happy squad size” state has left from the PLAYING squad and not been replaced?? I’m pretty sure it’s nobody. Please link me to the part where it says anyone without a squad number would not get replaced. Thanks. What is very clear is we are a left back short. Google it. It’s in amongst something he spoke about ending up with a 45 man squad if they brought in all the players people thought they should and a strict “replace every outgoing player” policy on top. |
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Post by impact on Aug 9, 2019 10:48:04 GMT 1
Please link me to the part where it says anyone without a squad number would not get replaced. Thanks. What is very clear is we are a left back short. Google it. It’s in amongst something he spoke about ending up with a 45 man squad if they brought in all the players people thought they should and a strict “replace every outgoing player” policy on top. I have, and still can't find it, so please link me to it. This is the 1st I'm hearing of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 11:17:54 GMT 1
Google it. It’s in amongst something he spoke about ending up with a 45 man squad if they brought in all the players people thought they should and a strict “replace every outgoing player” policy on top. I have, and still can't find it, so please link me to it. This is the 1st I'm hearing of it. I can’t quickly find it,,,but it’s half referenced in here too.., www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-mooy-transfer-deadline-highlights-16716825“The consistent line coming out of Huddersfield Town is that the "one in, one out" policy still stands - and our understanding is that only applies to those players who are actively involved in the first team squad...like Mooy.”....and whilst it applies to Mooy, it was also stated that if deals happened late in the window, then in all likelihood “replacements” wouldn’t be signed until subsequent windows (although of course Chalobah could easily be considered a replacement for Mooy). |
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Post by impact on Aug 9, 2019 11:42:01 GMT 1
I have, and still can't find it, so please link me to it. This is the 1st I'm hearing of it. I can’t quickly find it,,,but it’s half referenced in here too.., www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-mooy-transfer-deadline-highlights-16716825“The consistent line coming out of Huddersfield Town is that the "one in, one out" policy still stands - and our understanding is that only applies to those players who are actively involved in the first team squad...like Mooy.”....and whilst it applies to Mooy, it was also stated that if deals happened late in the window, then in all likelihood “replacements” wouldn’t be signed until subsequent windows (although of course Chalobah could easily be considered a replacement for Mooy). So as far as I can tell, he hasn't said that. It's the examiner assuming. But even if so, we have let 3 full backs go, all members of the 1st team last year, and brought 1 in. |
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Post by martin1973 on Aug 9, 2019 12:03:26 GMT 1
The thing that really gets me is not the Mooy transfer that doesnt really bother me as i expected him to leave alas the timing was terrible, it is the attitude of the club, until the new loan signing yesterday said i want to help get us back into the Premier League it has not been said one. Where is the positivity. It is as if the legacy of the two years is being tossed away by saying we are going back to where we belong now. We must be the worst relegated side showing no ambition to get back to the Premier League. It may be we dont want to go back but dont want to say as we havent to date. Maybe Chalobah
I am not advocating spending millions and millions on players but please show a bit of ambition from chairman to Manager. I have been a season ticket holder for 27 years and have never felt so despondent with the current situation. Even in the 4th division we showed passion and ambition on a smaller scale. I dont want a we are going to win the league by 20 points but a little "well it is a tough league but we are going to try to get back into the Premier League this season" but we hear nothing of this. Give the fans a little hope even if you dont believe it!
The whole finances situation is another question I am an accountant and i cannot understand where all the money has gone from the over £200 million plus revenue and now plus the parachute payments leave big questions for me. Without the accounts it would be silly to speculate but there has to be a large amount of surplus funds IF there was a 40% reduction in all players wages and given the recent sales it would seem there should be surplus or a slush fund being created, if so tell us. Whats the 3 year plan, we have a three transfer window plan to be where we want to be ? Where do we want to be? What division - share this with us and if you do the vast majority of fans will go with you. Silence will only increase speculation and frustration.
All we are asking is talk to the fans so that the facts are out there, if Dean has taken some of his money back from the surplus money then fine that is his and the clubs decision but tell us and we can stop speculating, if it has gone on Canalside again fine. We dont want the ins and outs but a lot of supporters who normally are very supportive are frustrated at the moment with what is going on. If you do talk and say things stick to them i.e one in one out policy with equal qualities/ability.
I expected us to lose players that is not it, we want leadership from the club now more than ever which then drives and give the passion to us fans, we need to be driven and want something to inspire us also. I just get the feeling at the moment that even the most passionate and die hard fan is finding this tough with the silence on strategy and forward thinking plans for the future.
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Post by detox on Aug 9, 2019 12:13:41 GMT 1
The thing that really gets me is not the Mooy transfer that doesnt really bother me as i expected him to leave alas the timing was terrible, it is the attitude of the club, until the new loan signing yesterday said i want to help get us back into the Premier League it has not been said one. Where is the positivity. It is as if the legacy of the two years is being tossed away by saying we are going back to where we belong now. We must be the worst relegated side showing no ambition to get back to the Premier League. It may be we dont want to go back but dont want to say as we havent to date. Maybe Chalobah I am not advocating spending millions and millions on players but please show a bit of ambition from chairman to Manager. I have been a season ticket holder for 27 years and have never felt so despondent with the current situation. Even in the 4th division we showed passion and ambition on a smaller scale. I dont want a we are going to win the league by 20 points but a little "well it is a tough league but we are going to try to get back into the Premier League this season" but we hear nothing of this. Give the fans a little hope even if you dont believe it! The whole finances situation is another question I am an accountant and i cannot understand where all the money has gone from the over £200 million plus revenue and now plus the parachute payments leave big questions for me. Without the accounts it would be silly to speculate but there has to be a large amount of surplus funds IF there was a 40% reduction in all players wages and given the recent sales it would seem there should be surplus or a slush fund being created, if so tell us. Whats the 3 year plan, we have a three transfer window plan to be where we want to be ? Where do we want to be? What division - share this with us and if you do the vast majority of fans will go with you. Silence will only increase speculation and frustration. All we are asking is talk to the fans so that the facts are out there, if Dean has taken some of his money back from the surplus money then fine that is his and the clubs decision but tell us and we can stop speculating, if it has gone on Canalside again fine. We dont want the ins and outs but a lot of supporters who normally are very supportive are frustrated at the moment with what is going on. If you do talk and say things stick to them i.e one in one out policy with equal qualities/ability. I expected us to lose players that is not it, we want leadership from the club now more than ever which then drives and give the passion to us fans, we need to be driven and want something to inspire us also. I just get the feeling at the moment that even the most passionate and die hard fan is finding this tough with the silence on strategy and forward thinking plans for the future. i'm not sure if Phil saying 'we're going to win the league' would actually been as a comment of merit tbh... We're best doing our talking on the pitch for me, and let others talk... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 12:17:27 GMT 1
The thing that really gets me is not the Mooy transfer that doesnt really bother me as i expected him to leave alas the timing was terrible, it is the attitude of the club, until the new loan signing yesterday said i want to help get us back into the Premier League it has not been said one. Where is the positivity. It is as if the legacy of the two years is being tossed away by saying we are going back to where we belong now. We must be the worst relegated side showing no ambition to get back to the Premier League. It may be we dont want to go back but dont want to say as we havent to date. Maybe Chalobah I am not advocating spending millions and millions on players but please show a bit of ambition from chairman to Manager. I have been a season ticket holder for 27 years and have never felt so despondent with the current situation. Even in the 4th division we showed passion and ambition on a smaller scale. I dont want a we are going to win the league by 20 points but a little "well it is a tough league but we are going to try to get back into the Premier League this season" but we hear nothing of this. Give the fans a little hope even if you dont believe it! The whole finances situation is another question I am an accountant and i cannot understand where all the money has gone from the over £200 million plus revenue and now plus the parachute payments leave big questions for me. Without the accounts it would be silly to speculate but there has to be a large amount of surplus funds IF there was a 40% reduction in all players wages and given the recent sales it would seem there should be surplus or a slush fund being created, if so tell us. Whats the 3 year plan, we have a three transfer window plan to be where we want to be ? Where do we want to be? What division - share this with us and if you do the vast majority of fans will go with you. Silence will only increase speculation and frustration. All we are asking is talk to the fans so that the facts are out there, if Dean has taken some of his money back from the surplus money then fine that is his and the clubs decision but tell us and we can stop speculating, if it has gone on Canalside again fine. We dont want the ins and outs but a lot of supporters who normally are very supportive are frustrated at the moment with what is going on. If you do talk and say things stick to them i.e one in one out policy with equal qualities/ability. I expected us to lose players that is not it, we want leadership from the club now more than ever which then drives and give the passion to us fans, we need to be driven and want something to inspire us also. I just get the feeling at the moment that even the most passionate and die hard fan is finding this tough with the silence on strategy and forward thinking plans for the future. Over the two EPL seasons, income from the EPL was around £200m, we spent around £100m on wages and £100m on fees, addons and bonuses, plus around £12m+ on stadium improvements necessary for the EPL. Outgoings were around £250m in total over the two years, Dean had to inject £15m of his own money as the £200m alone from the EPL plus commercial and ticket revenue didn’t cover the outgoings. Then now....whilst you’ve mentioned wages going down by 40%, the parachute is 55% of last years EPL payment...so this summer we’re in a position where we’ve had to get rid of some earners just to ensure the club doesn’t disappear up its own backside. Get used to it. We have to transform into being a pretty low earning Championship club as quickly as possible otherwise we’re screwed. |
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Post by martin1973 on Aug 9, 2019 12:18:35 GMT 1
I said that's what i didn't want him to say but show a little ambition...
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 9, 2019 12:32:24 GMT 1
The thing that really gets me is not the Mooy transfer that doesnt really bother me as i expected him to leave alas the timing was terrible, it is the attitude of the club, until the new loan signing yesterday said i want to help get us back into the Premier League it has not been said one. Where is the positivity. It is as if the legacy of the two years is being tossed away by saying we are going back to where we belong now. We must be the worst relegated side showing no ambition to get back to the Premier League. It may be we dont want to go back but dont want to say as we havent to date. Maybe Chalobah I am not advocating spending millions and millions on players but please show a bit of ambition from chairman to Manager. I have been a season ticket holder for 27 years and have never felt so despondent with the current situation. Even in the 4th division we showed passion and ambition on a smaller scale. I dont want a we are going to win the league by 20 points but a little "well it is a tough league but we are going to try to get back into the Premier League this season" but we hear nothing of this. Give the fans a little hope even if you dont believe it! The whole finances situation is another question I am an accountant and i cannot understand where all the money has gone from the over £200 million plus revenue and now plus the parachute payments leave big questions for me. Without the accounts it would be silly to speculate but there has to be a large amount of surplus funds IF there was a 40% reduction in all players wages and given the recent sales it would seem there should be surplus or a slush fund being created, if so tell us. Whats the 3 year plan, we have a three transfer window plan to be where we want to be ? Where do we want to be? What division - share this with us and if you do the vast majority of fans will go with you. Silence will only increase speculation and frustration. All we are asking is talk to the fans so that the facts are out there, if Dean has taken some of his money back from the surplus money then fine that is his and the clubs decision but tell us and we can stop speculating, if it has gone on Canalside again fine. We dont want the ins and outs but a lot of supporters who normally are very supportive are frustrated at the moment with what is going on. If you do talk and say things stick to them i.e one in one out policy with equal qualities/ability. I expected us to lose players that is not it, we want leadership from the club now more than ever which then drives and give the passion to us fans, we need to be driven and want something to inspire us also. I just get the feeling at the moment that even the most passionate and die hard fan is finding this tough with the silence on strategy and forward thinking plans for the future. Over the two EPL seasons, income from the EPL was around £200m, we spent around £100m on wages and £100m on fees, addons and bonuses, plus around £12m+ on stadium improvements necessary for the EPL. Outgoings were around £250m in total over the two years, Dean had to inject £15m of his own money as the £200m alone from the EPL plus commercial and ticket revenue didn’t cover the outgoings. Then now....whilst you’ve mentioned wages going down by 40%, the parachute is 55% of last years EPL payment... so this summer we’re in a position where we’ve had to get rid of some earners just to ensure the club doesn’t disappear up its own backside.Get used to it. We have to transform into being a pretty low earning Championship club as quickly as possible otherwise we’re screwed Both Julian Winter & Phil Hodgkinson said that we didn't need to sell anybody. I understand that players wanted to leave but that's different to having to sell them. We must have massively overspent last season then because the official accounts to June 2018 show a profit of 20 odd million. beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/01771361/filing-history |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Aug 9, 2019 12:33:42 GMT 1
out of interest does anyone know if there are championship clubs who have spent less than us this window? No According to Transfermarkt.co.uk huddersfc, Fulham have spent Zero....dunno how reliable or accurate the figures are but..... We are +£9.85m (I think). |
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Post by Spike24 on Aug 9, 2019 12:44:19 GMT 1
out of interest does anyone know if there are championship clubs who have spent less than us this window? No Fulham, Leeds and QPR haven't bought anyone. |
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Post by htafctaunton on Aug 9, 2019 12:52:18 GMT 1
Our official accounts for the first season in the PL show we made a profit of £20m plus Hodgkinson said at his q & a that this season's parachute money was all accounted for but we didn't need to sell any players, which would suggest that any money made from transfers would be purely profit. Given that our total sales/loan fees are likely to be well in excess of £20m then we should have a tidy sum left, having spent bugger all in comparison on incomings. So we're either building up a large war chest for the future or we're using the transfer income to pay off DH's loans . ....IF all the money that Dean (or any other chairman for that matter) has put in to the club is actually intended as "LOANS"....and they require paying back....then his nett financial input is ZERO !! ...which is less than I spend on HTAFC !! Can this be true  (If so, I can afford to be chairman!!) |
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Post by Spike24 on Aug 9, 2019 12:57:04 GMT 1
The thing that really gets me is not the Mooy transfer that doesnt really bother me as i expected him to leave alas the timing was terrible, it is the attitude of the club, until the new loan signing yesterday said i want to help get us back into the Premier League it has not been said one. Where is the positivity. It is as if the legacy of the two years is being tossed away by saying we are going back to where we belong now. We must be the worst relegated side showing no ambition to get back to the Premier League. It may be we dont want to go back but dont want to say as we havent to date. Maybe Chalobah I am not advocating spending millions and millions on players but please show a bit of ambition from chairman to Manager. I have been a season ticket holder for 27 years and have never felt so despondent with the current situation. Even in the 4th division we showed passion and ambition on a smaller scale. I dont want a we are going to win the league by 20 points but a little "well it is a tough league but we are going to try to get back into the Premier League this season" but we hear nothing of this. Give the fans a little hope even if you dont believe it! The whole finances situation is another question I am an accountant and i cannot understand where all the money has gone from the over £200 million plus revenue and now plus the parachute payments leave big questions for me. Without the accounts it would be silly to speculate but there has to be a large amount of surplus funds IF there was a 40% reduction in all players wages and given the recent sales it would seem there should be surplus or a slush fund being created, if so tell us. Whats the 3 year plan, we have a three transfer window plan to be where we want to be ? Where do we want to be? What division - share this with us and if you do the vast majority of fans will go with you. Silence will only increase speculation and frustration. All we are asking is talk to the fans so that the facts are out there, if Dean has taken some of his money back from the surplus money then fine that is his and the clubs decision but tell us and we can stop speculating, if it has gone on Canalside again fine. We dont want the ins and outs but a lot of supporters who normally are very supportive are frustrated at the moment with what is going on. If you do talk and say things stick to them i.e one in one out policy with equal qualities/ability. I expected us to lose players that is not it, we want leadership from the club now more than ever which then drives and give the passion to us fans, we need to be driven and want something to inspire us also. I just get the feeling at the moment that even the most passionate and die hard fan is finding this tough with the silence on strategy and forward thinking plans for the future. Over the two EPL seasons, income from the EPL was around £200m, we spent around £100m on wages and £100m on fees, addons and bonuses, plus around £12m+ on stadium improvements necessary for the EPL. Outgoings were around £250m in total over the two years, Dean had to inject £15m of his own money as the £200m alone from the EPL plus commercial and ticket revenue didn’t cover the outgoings. Then now....whilst you’ve mentioned wages going down by 40%, the parachute is 55% of last years EPL payment...so this summer we’re in a position where we’ve had to get rid of some earners just to ensure the club doesn’t disappear up its own backside. Get used to it. We have to transform into being a pretty low earning Championship club as quickly as possible otherwise we’re screwed. 🤔🤔🤔  |
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(If so, I can afford to be chairman!!)