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Post by sensible idiot on Aug 9, 2019 10:56:31 GMT 1
He's been here 2 mins. Didn't cock up previous transfer windows. Not involved in Wagner's decision to buy then not play wingers. Didn't spend the £200 million of PL money. Wasn't here when we were fucking about with director of football. Not involved in Mooy contract option or no option confusion. Not involved in or in control of wage bill and overheads for this season i.e fixed costs were inherited by him.....
....... and didn't actually seek to buy the club, was approached by Dean.
As far as being potless, how does anyone know his wealth apart from him? Look at accounts on companies house website? Great, if I'm running a business / businesses I'm sure I wouldn't use specialist tax lawyers and accountants to legally reduce my tax liability. Don't be so naive to think it reflects his true wealth.
He could be the Sultan of Brunei but if a player wants out or a player won't come to us, what's he supposed to do??
This club, our club is the ONLY club to town fans, but it's not a preferred destination for the majority of players as it's just a small club to them, so Phil could do a Bradford / Bolton etc. and spunk a load of cash we have / don't have and risk our future existence. But he won't cos he cares about the club - he was a fan and will be a fan long before and long after being the owner.
As for some of the suggestions on other threads that he's in it for some kind of ego trip... really? He was a sponsor previously, but when announced to be the new owner most of us said 'Phil who?'. Surely having his name on our shirt would have given him the 'photo op' to massage his ego, but he wasn't milking it as far as I can remember!
He is one of us so give him a break. Let him get on with it and see how he does for longer than the 2 mins he's been here.
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Post by ritchie on Aug 9, 2019 11:03:44 GMT 1
He's been here 2 mins. Didn't cock up previous transfer windows. Not involved in Wagner's decision to buy then not play wingers. Didn't spend the £200 million of PL money. Wasn't here when we were fucking about with director of football. Not involved in Mooy contract option or no option confusion. Not involved in or in control of wage bill and overheads for this season i.e fixed costs were inherited by him..... ....... and didn't actually seek to buy the club, was approached by Dean. As far as being potless, how does anyone know his wealth apart from him? Look at accounts on companies house website? Great, if I'm running a business / businesses I'm sure I wouldn't use specialist tax lawyers and accountants to legally reduce my tax liability. Don't be so naive to think it reflects his true wealth. He could be the Sultan of Brunei but if a player wants out or a player won't come to us, what's he supposed to do?? This club, our club is the ONLY club to town fans, but it's not a preferred destination for the majority of players as it's just a small club to them, so Phil could do a Bradford / Bolton etc. and spunk a load of cash we have / don't have and risk our future existence. But he won't cos he cares about the club - he was a fan and will be a fan long before and long after being the owner. As for some of the suggestions on other threads that he's in it for some kind of ego trip... really? He was a sponsor previously, but when announced to be the new owner most of us said 'Phil who?'. Surely having his name on our shirt would have given him the 'photo op' to massage his ego, but he wasn't milking it as far as I can remember! He is one of us so give him a break. Let him get on with it and see how he does for longer than the 2 mins he's been here. He was part of the decision to go without |
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Post by sensible idiot on Aug 9, 2019 11:06:04 GMT 1
And now, after 2 mins of being here, we have one! Must really think we don't need one eh?
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Post by shatterrier on Aug 9, 2019 11:07:22 GMT 1
He's been here 2 mins. Didn't cock up previous transfer windows. Not involved in Wagner's decision to buy then not play wingers. Didn't spend the £200 million of PL money. Wasn't here when we were fucking about with director of football. Not involved in Mooy contract option or no option confusion. Not involved in or in control of wage bill and overheads for this season i.e fixed costs were inherited by him..... ....... and didn't actually seek to buy the club, was approached by Dean. As far as being potless, how does anyone know his wealth apart from him? Look at accounts on companies house website? Great, if I'm running a business / businesses I'm sure I wouldn't use specialist tax lawyers and accountants to legally reduce my tax liability. Don't be so naive to think it reflects his true wealth. He could be the Sultan of Brunei but if a player wants out or a player won't come to us, what's he supposed to do?? This club, our club is the ONLY club to town fans, but it's not a preferred destination for the majority of players as it's just a small club to them, so Phil could do a Bradford / Bolton etc. and spunk a load of cash we have / don't have and risk our future existence. But he won't cos he cares about the club - he was a fan and will be a fan long before and long after being the owner. As for some of the suggestions on other threads that he's in it for some kind of ego trip... really? He was a sponsor previously, but when announced to be the new owner most of us said 'Phil who?'. Surely having his name on our shirt would have given him the 'photo op' to massage his ego, but he wasn't milking it as far as I can remember! He is one of us so give him a break. Let him get on with it and see how he does for longer than the 2 mins he's been here. Well said....but get ready |
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Post by sensible idiot on Aug 9, 2019 11:13:16 GMT 1
Also, when Billing says he doesn't want to play for us as he's too good for the Championship 'everyone' says he's a twat........ when Mooy says the same as Billing, Phil is the twat!!  ?? How the hell does that work? |
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Post by royrace on Aug 9, 2019 11:16:01 GMT 1
He's been here 2 mins. Didn't cock up previous transfer windows. Not involved in Wagner's decision to buy then not play wingers. Didn't spend the £200 million of PL money. Wasn't here when we were fucking about with director of football. Not involved in Mooy contract option or no option confusion. Not involved in or in control of wage bill and overheads for this season i.e fixed costs were inherited by him..... ....... and didn't actually seek to buy the club, was approached by Dean. As far as being potless, how does anyone know his wealth apart from him? Look at accounts on companies house website? Great, if I'm running a business / businesses I'm sure I wouldn't use specialist tax lawyers and accountants to legally reduce my tax liability. Don't be so naive to think it reflects his true wealth. He could be the Sultan of Brunei but if a player wants out or a player won't come to us, what's he supposed to do?? This club, our club is the ONLY club to town fans, but it's not a preferred destination for the majority of players as it's just a small club to them, so Phil could do a Bradford / Bolton etc. and spunk a load of cash we have / don't have and risk our future existence. But he won't cos he cares about the club - he was a fan and will be a fan long before and long after being the owner. As for some of the suggestions on other threads that he's in it for some kind of ego trip... really? He was a sponsor previously, but when announced to be the new owner most of us said 'Phil who?'. Surely having his name on our shirt would have given him the 'photo op' to massage his ego, but he wasn't milking it as far as I can remember! He is one of us so give him a break. Let him get on with it and see how he does for longer than the 2 mins he's been here. You've seen the state of those wingers, yes? Personally I think Wagner's decision not to play them has been vindicated 10 times over and will continue to be throughout the season. I'm not necessarily blaming Phil for anything but I am wondering  is going on right now at the club. Squad, manager and coaching staff not inspiring any confidence at the moment and its not necessarily just down to money. |
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Post by Ox Terrier on Aug 9, 2019 11:16:08 GMT 1
Agree with OP. Just because a (perseived) problem presents now doesn't mean it hasn't been building for some time.
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Post by drfootball on Aug 9, 2019 11:17:31 GMT 1
Also, when Billing says he doesn't want to play for us as he's too good for the Championship 'everyone' says he's a twat........ when Mooy says the same as Billing, Phil is the twat!! ?? How the hell does that work? Because one is and one isn’t , one had been a loyal club servant one hadn’t , one slagged off the club in the press one didn’t , one is a knob and one isn’t ? |
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Post by buckers on Aug 9, 2019 11:24:36 GMT 1
Also, when Billing says he doesn't want to play for us as he's too good for the Championship 'everyone' says he's a twat........ when Mooy says the same as Billing, Phil is the twat!! ?? How the hell does that work? Both getting sold (loaned) and no championship quality replacement coming in is the problem that I and many others have. The fact we haven’t bought a left back is criminal. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 9, 2019 11:25:20 GMT 1
Also, when Billing says he doesn't want to play for us as he's too good for the Championship 'everyone' says he's a twat........ when Mooy says the same as Billing, Phil is the twat!! ?? How the hell does that work? Both getting sold (loaned) and no championship quality replacement coming in is the problem that I and many others have. The fact we haven’t bought a left back is criminal. Exactly the point. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 9, 2019 11:28:25 GMT 1
He's been here 2 mins. Didn't cock up previous transfer windows. Not involved in Wagner's decision to buy then not play wingers. Didn't spend the £200 million of PL money. Wasn't here when we were fucking about with director of football. Not involved in Mooy contract option or no option confusion. Not involved in or in control of wage bill and overheads for this season i.e fixed costs were inherited by him..... ....... and didn't actually seek to buy the club, was approached by Dean. As far as being potless, how does anyone know his wealth apart from him? Look at accounts on companies house website? Great, if I'm running a business / businesses I'm sure I wouldn't use specialist tax lawyers and accountants to legally reduce my tax liability. Don't be so naive to think it reflects his true wealth. He could be the Sultan of Brunei but if a player wants out or a player won't come to us, what's he supposed to do?? This club, our club is the ONLY club to town fans, but it's not a preferred destination for the majority of players as it's just a small club to them, so Phil could do a Bradford / Bolton etc. and spunk a load of cash we have / don't have and risk our future existence. But he won't cos he cares about the club - he was a fan and will be a fan long before and long after being the owner. As for some of the suggestions on other threads that he's in it for some kind of ego trip... really? He was a sponsor previously, but when announced to be the new owner most of us said 'Phil who?'. Surely having his name on our shirt would have given him the 'photo op' to massage his ego, but he wasn't milking it as far as I can remember! He is one of us so give him a break. Let him get on with it and see how he does for longer than the 2 mins he's been here. It happens all the time but why then did he say that players were lined up to replace any outgoings? Where's Smith's replacement, where's Billing's replacement, where's Mooy's replacement? All sold after he made the statement. Unless Chalobah is so good he's going to replace all 3. He could have simply said that we'll try our best to replace any outgoing players. Despite only recently becoming Chairman, he also said that he'd been involved in the planning since February. |
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Post by sensible idiot on Aug 9, 2019 11:30:31 GMT 1
As it seems acceptable at this time to overreact and throw out personal abuse..... I'd just like to say to anyone who disagrees with me or holds a different opinion - you can get fucked!!!
And when you're done.... you can get fucked again!!!
Hmmmm.... I thought I'd feel better doing what a load of mindless cretins have been doing for the past few days but I don't!
Maybe you can all get un-fucked (twice)!
And I'm not saying Mooy should be called a twat like Billing has been, I don't think he is.....but why does that then make PH a twat to some people?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 11:32:09 GMT 1
Also, when Billing says he doesn't want to play for us as he's too good for the Championship 'everyone' says he's a twat........ when Mooy says the same as Billing, Phil is the twat!! ?? How the hell does that work? Both getting sold (loaned) and no championship quality replacement coming in is the problem that I and many others have. The fact we haven’t bought a left back is criminal. That’s the main issue really. Told one thing and done another. Start as we mean to go on eh.... |
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Post by leemorris on Aug 9, 2019 11:33:46 GMT 1
In relation to the 3 loanees I think in time Phil will own up to this but he probably wanted get on the fans good side and try and gee everyone up for the coming season. At the time it might have looked like we did have those players but obviously they didn't materialise.
He should have been smarter with what information he said at the q and a. He hasn't run a club anywhere near this size and dealt with players and wages at this level. He is literally just a couple of months into the role and we shouldn't be jumping on his back so soon for a few mistakes in the information he has given us. He has manged to bring in a seemingly quality director of football, which may be the best signing for us in the long run.
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Post by Ross83 on Aug 9, 2019 11:35:12 GMT 1
Also, when Billing says he doesn't want to play for us as he's too good for the Championship 'everyone' says he's a twat........ when Mooy says the same as Billing, Phil is the twat!! ?? How the hell does that work? Mooy didn't go about it the way Billing did. Has kept his head down all summer and his agent hasn't been actively trying to offload him, nor did he go to the press and slag off his manager. |
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Post by drumriggend on Aug 9, 2019 11:35:36 GMT 1
Also, when Billing says he doesn't want to play for us as he's too good for the Championship 'everyone' says he's a twat........ when Mooy says the same as Billing, Phil is the twat!! ?? How the hell does that work? Both getting sold (loaned) and no championship quality replacement coming in is the problem that I and many others have. The fact we haven’t bought a left back is criminal. It seems to be the accepted Datm wisdom that we need a left back.. We have an 18 million pound dutch international playing there.. Bockhorn and jaden brown as cover.. Flo as right back.. And i suspect bacuna will play there when neccessary.. How many full backs do we need? Losing mooy hurts our midfield but gives achance for reece brown or obrien to step up.. The knee jerk dummy spitting on here has been hilarious.. Lets try and give it 10 games b4 we all throw the towel in 👍 |
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Post by willo on Aug 9, 2019 11:37:03 GMT 1
I don’t really care how much money the new Chairman has but I suspect it’s like all the Chairmen I can ever remember being at Town, more than all of us on here will ever have but typically just a local wealthy businessman and not a super-wealthy Arab. It’s the choices & decisions being made that have angered me, some of them baffling. The obvious one being why no first choice left back signed? Would love to know the answer to this one. TK doesn’t seemingly suit the position and would be better playing at CB, or is he the next one out the door? Wouldn’t surprise me. It may well take a defeat of some sort at QPR but I think a statement post-transfer window wouldn’t be amiss.
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Post by terrier2019 on Aug 9, 2019 11:37:05 GMT 1
so whos fault is it cuz dean hoyle was the chairman when all this happened and i think he should take some responsibility for whats happening.we seem like a club thats all over 👏🐑👏🐑👏🐑👏🐑👏🐑👏🐑👏🐑
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 9, 2019 11:37:12 GMT 1
He's been here 2 mins. Didn't cock up previous transfer windows. Not involved in Wagner's decision to buy then not play wingers. Didn't spend the £200 million of PL money. Wasn't here when we were fucking about with director of football. Not involved in Mooy contract option or no option confusion. Not involved in or in control of wage bill and overheads for this season i.e fixed costs were inherited by him..... ....... and didn't actually seek to buy the club, was approached by Dean. As far as being potless, how does anyone know his wealth apart from him? Look at accounts on companies house website? Great, if I'm running a business / businesses I'm sure I wouldn't use specialist tax lawyers and accountants to legally reduce my tax liability. Don't be so naive to think it reflects his true wealth. He could be the Sultan of Brunei but if a player wants out or a player won't come to us, what's he supposed to do?? This club, our club is the ONLY club to town fans, but it's not a preferred destination for the majority of players as it's just a small club to them, so Phil could do a Bradford / Bolton etc. and spunk a load of cash we have / don't have and risk our future existence. But he won't cos he cares about the club - he was a fan and will be a fan long before and long after being the owner. As for some of the suggestions on other threads that he's in it for some kind of ego trip... really? He was a sponsor previously, but when announced to be the new owner most of us said 'Phil who?'. Surely having his name on our shirt would have given him the 'photo op' to massage his ego, but he wasn't milking it as far as I can remember! He is one of us so give him a break. Let him get on with it and see how he does for longer than the 2 mins he's been here. 25 likes at least before the day is out! |
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Post by drumriggend on Aug 9, 2019 11:37:55 GMT 1
As it seems acceptable at this time to overreact and throw out personal abuse..... I'd just like to say to anyone who disagrees with me or holds a different opinion - you can get fucked!!! And when you're done.... you can get fucked again!!! Hmmmm.... I thought I'd feel better doing what a load of mindless cretins have been doing for the past few days but I don't! Maybe you can all get un-fucked (twice)! And I'm not saying Mooy should be called a twat like Billing has been, I don't think he is.....but why does that then make PH a twat to some people? I dont get fucked as much as i used to 🥴 |
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Post by atowninessex on Aug 9, 2019 11:38:37 GMT 1
totally agree with the OP , we have no idea what go's on behind closed doors (bit like been at home !)
maybe JS said he didn't want anyone else and is happy with what he's got,maybe we approached
several players/agents who all though they have shit loads of premier league money and we will screw them into the ground
and we wouldn't go for it!
whatever i will be at qpr tomorrow supporting the team and hoping for a good performance whether we win loose or draw
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Post by sensible idiot on Aug 9, 2019 11:40:23 GMT 1
I am confident in my abilities.... I am a great manager at work. Where others fail, I'll bloody show them how it's done!! I am successful in most things I do.
And then I come up against some new scenarios... and some difficult people and all in an industry I'm not fully conversant with and my initial 'I'll bloody show em' and my optimism that I'll get this and that done has to be tempered down a bit.
It's called reality and I don't think PH was malicious or intended to mislead etc. He is on a steep learning curve at the moment, but my original point stands- give him more than 2 mins in charge before turning out with the pitchforks!!
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Post by townrwe on Aug 9, 2019 11:43:00 GMT 1
Phil has allowed Mooy not to be replaced and no left back. His impact on the football has been a negative. Im not bothered how much cash he has, what colour the seats are, the tarmac around the ground etc etc.
Has he allowed Jan to have a chance in this league THIS year? I would argue NO, was this one of our 2 or 3 chances at getting back to the premier league? Id argue YES, unless he can tell us a plan in place that means we can compete over the next 10 years rather than the next 3 years. Short term pain for long term gain? Then his impact has been negative.
Recruitment has been league one or two standard, and sales premier league standard.
I actually feel sorry for Phil, but at the same time sympathy doesn't win football matches. The only way we will all get behind Jan and Phil or a new manager and Phil is if we WIN, and keep winning. The transfer window yesterday, the paddy power stunt taking away from the professional approach to a friendly match and his Q and A, have basically totally destroyed any goodwill he inherited from Deano. He has piled the pressure on Jan and himself, Jan may have been able to get away with an average start until xmas, now he probably gets until the end of the month until the crowd really really turns on him and on Phil to make a change.
Win a few games and that will go along way towards etablishing a bond between Jan/Phil and the fans, keep losing and its going to get very messy, very quickly.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 9, 2019 11:43:10 GMT 1
We ALl expected a great deal of serious interest in Mooy, Schindler, Kongolo etc.
There was little or none. The fee we would have taken was not in today's market anything like excessive.
We were All waiting for the proper offers right up to yesterday and eventually an offer was worked through with Mooy and Brighton that suited them and allowed us to retain him as an asset in the future. Brighton would not get anywhere close to a sensible fee at this time but would pay him more than we can, we get a loan fee immediately and move his wage off the books for a year. Mooy did not want to play here and it's lucky that we have a team that can put together a deal like this in the allotted time so we do not have a very expensive player here against his wishes.
The 'expected' money coming' in did not materialize and if everyone is honest it surprised us all.
Had we shifted Mooy and one other on for good money then the 'possible' incomers could well have arrived, unfortunately we All overestimated the interest in our better players and that 'shock' is hopefully the reason why there is do much vitriol and abuse towards staff who are probably as stunned as you and me that nobody wanted out players that much??
We have not undersold anyone or let anyone go cheap, they wanted to go and in the end we got the best we could for them. Those that wanted us to replace our better players may now be aware that other than Mooy, they are still here and the trick now is to build something around the 'spine' we are happily?/shockingly? Left with???
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 11:49:24 GMT 1
Both getting sold (loaned) and no championship quality replacement coming in is the problem that I and many others have. The fact we haven’t bought a left back is criminal. It seems to be the accepted Datm wisdom that we need a left back.. We have an 18 million pound dutch international playing there.. Bockhorn and jaden brown as cover.. Flo as right back.. And i suspect bacuna will play there when neccessary.. How many full backs do we need? Losing mooy hurts our midfield but gives achance for reece brown or obrien to step up.. The knee jerk dummy spitting on here has been hilarious.. Lets try and give it 10 games b4 we all throw the towel in 👍 the position of left back has as usuall been over the top.criminal one poster says. bloodyh ell we have plenty options as you say the dummy spitting is silly but not unexpected. |
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Post by sensible idiot on Aug 9, 2019 11:49:32 GMT 1
Stop making sense and being so reasonable Galph......
And, Drumriggend....
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Post by impact on Aug 9, 2019 11:50:07 GMT 1
He's been here 2 mins. Didn't cock up previous transfer windows. Not involved in Wagner's decision to buy then not play wingers. Didn't spend the £200 million of PL money. Wasn't here when we were fucking about with director of football. Not involved in Mooy contract option or no option confusion. Not involved in or in control of wage bill and overheads for this season i.e fixed costs were inherited by him..... ....... and didn't actually seek to buy the club, was approached by Dean. As far as being potless, how does anyone know his wealth apart from him? Look at accounts on companies house website? Great, if I'm running a business / businesses I'm sure I wouldn't use specialist tax lawyers and accountants to legally reduce my tax liability. Don't be so naive to think it reflects his true wealth. He could be the Sultan of Brunei but if a player wants out or a player won't come to us, what's he supposed to do?? This club, our club is the ONLY club to town fans, but it's not a preferred destination for the majority of players as it's just a small club to them, so Phil could do a Bradford / Bolton etc. and spunk a load of cash we have / don't have and risk our future existence. But he won't cos he cares about the club - he was a fan and will be a fan long before and long after being the owner. As for some of the suggestions on other threads that he's in it for some kind of ego trip... really? He was a sponsor previously, but when announced to be the new owner most of us said 'Phil who?'. Surely having his name on our shirt would have given him the 'photo op' to massage his ego, but he wasn't milking it as far as I can remember! He is one of us so give him a break. Let him get on with it and see how he does for longer than the 2 mins he's been here. It happens all the time but why then did he say that players were lined up to replace any outgoings? Where's Smith's replacement, where's Billing's replacement, where's Mooy's replacement? All sold after he made the statement. Unless Chalobah is so good he's going to replace all 3. He could have simply said that we'll try our best to replace any outgoing players. Despite only recently becoming Chairman, he also said that he'd been involved in the planning since February. To me this is the main issue. He's made bold statements about 3 quality prem loans coming in and about us replacing outgoings, and it hasn't happened. If you can't guarantee it, don't say it, or like you said, say we'll try to. It now seems like a cheap way to get fans on side. |
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Post by canuckterrier on Aug 9, 2019 11:51:12 GMT 1
As it seems acceptable at this time to overreact and throw out personal abuse..... I'd just like to say to anyone who disagrees with me or holds a different opinion - you can get fucked!!! And when you're done.... you can get fucked again!!! Hmmmm.... I thought I'd feel better doing what a load of mindless cretins have been doing for the past few days but I don't! Maybe you can all get un-fucked (twice)! And I'm not saying Mooy should be called a twat like Billing has been, I don't think he is.....but why does that then make PH a twat to some people? Was this post necessary? Reduces the impact of your original post. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 9, 2019 11:53:35 GMT 1
Muito I genuinely appreciate you taking the time to post and offer a different perspective
I think you make some excellent and fair points about PH
I suspect you know PH so wish him all the best - we all desperately want him to lead a successful club
In terms of this summer it seems to me we’ve not had our finger on the pulse in terms of deals - does josh marsh have the contracts or is he still young and building his network. Webber got deals I just don’t think we’d get today - I suspect we had a better football operations set up in 2015 and hopefully the new bloke will get us back to that level
I also feel a word with JS wouldn’t go amiss - for example saying hamer was injured at the end of last season when everything points to him being frozen out. Best to say nothing I reckon as it decreases trust
The Paddy Power stunt also probably wasn’t ideal but I appreciate PH will have backed the judgement of his team
Point is I can see there’s a lot to be done for PH and it’s not as rosey as it may seem to fans like me - DH got off to a shocker also with ternant but still have a great ride and hopefully PH will too:)
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Post by sensible idiot on Aug 9, 2019 11:53:37 GMT 1
I get what you say impact, but maybe we have been spoilt with DH and should lower our expectations of PH until he has had a tad more time here.
Just cos he hasn't walked on water or turned water into wine yet, doesn't mean he won't grow / learn / develop into a great owner.
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is going on right now at the club. Squad, manager and coaching staff not inspiring any confidence at the moment and its not necessarily just down to money. 
