It's all about TRUST

[Guthlac]

Everyone going mad and effing and blinding about Siewart and PH.

They are new and you don't trust them.

They have not been here 5 minutes and already we are calling them all the names under the sun and wanting them sacked and out.

People, get a grip - one game in, it wasn't great and we are all fed up but for god sake if we all "go for the jugular", then what? You change the management, you still can't trust them because they are new, the team won't magically be tons better, nothing has really changed.

We have to give them time in order for trust to be built .

I fully admit that we may not like whats coming up, and there will be defeats along the way and we are going to have to suffer but we might get some success if we just lay off a bit and chill and take it one game at a time.

Trust is earned, not gained overnight, this is going to take time folks.

Patronising rant over!

[sabailand]

If we had beaten derby nomatter how scruffily, the majority of threads relating to this game wouldnt even have been started, some town fans are masters of sensationalist claptrap, they have it down to a tee.Most moaners will say they dont honestly expect to get promoted, but they still rail when we lose a game, monday was disappointing i agree, but many teams who come down from the prem dont come anywhere near going straight back up, so i cant fathom what some on here`s expectations are.

[El Mel]

Aug 9, 2019 17:48:56 GMT 1 sabailand said:

If we had beaten derby nomatter how scruffily, the majority of threads relating to this game wouldnt even have been started, some town fans are masters of sensationalist claptrap, they have it down to a tee.Most moaners will say they dont honestly expect to get promoted, but they still rail when we lose a game, monday was disappointing i agree, but many teams who come down from the prem dont come anywhere near going straight back up, so i cant fathom what some on here`s expectations are.

It's quite simple.

They want us to spend somewhere between 20 and 30 million on players, rather than putting it somewhere safe until we can find decent value for that money (whether that be on players or on running costs of the club).

Fans always know best when it comes to spending somebody elses money ya know. 

That's the ridicuous thing.

If we'd lost to derby but done 25 million yesterday, that would make some fans happy. 

[Guthlac]

I think the expectation was that we would play a really solid, entertaining, goal filled victory over Derby and it would be 3-1 Town. It wasn't and people over-reacted a bit, the Mooy transfer threw fuel on the fire, and with no real incoming transfers (bar one) - this has only made it worse. I think we are all worried, and it's fair, but I go back to my orginal post, behind it all is the TRUST issue, if it was still Dean and Dave we wouldn't be as worried would we, but that's because we knew them and trusted them.

[htfcsince70]

Whilst I was not happy with last season - the recruitment in particular - I'm sure not one person walks through the doors of HTFC in a morning thinking "I'm going to do a bad job today" that in includes JS and PH - I'm sure that they want the club to be a success - why on earth wouldn't they! UTT

[Chips Longhorn]

Aug 9, 2019 17:56:41 GMT 1 Guthlac said:

I think the expectation was that we would play a really solid, entertaining, goal filled victory over Derby and it would be 3-1 Town. It wasn't and people over-reacted a bit, the Mooy transfer threw fuel on the fire, and with no real incoming transfers (bar one) - this has only made it worse. I think we are all worried, and it's fair, but I go back to my orginal post, behind it all is the TRUST issue, if it was still Dean and Dave we wouldn't be as worried would we, but that's because we knew them and trusted them.

We've had a seven month pre season gearing up for that game and we were awful . That's the long n short of it. I'm not.going to get pissed about signings. But I am going to get pissed at 100m of "talent" putting in a performance like that

[zoso]

Aug 9, 2019 17:56:41 GMT 1 Guthlac said:

I think the expectation was that we would play a really solid, entertaining, goal filled victory over Derby and it would be 3-1 Town. It wasn't and people over-reacted a bit, the Mooy transfer threw fuel on the fire, and with no real incoming transfers (bar one) - this has only made it worse. I think we are all worried, and it's fair, but I go back to my orginal post, behind it all is the TRUST issue, if it was still Dean and Dave we wouldn't be as worried would we, but that's because we knew them and trusted them.

Agree. Some of the posts yesterday were nothing short of disgraceful. I don't buy all that passion crap, some of the things said about PH and JS were appalling, some were acting no better than l***s fans!

[explorer]

Aug 9, 2019 18:03:40 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Aug 9, 2019 17:56:41 GMT 1 Guthlac said:

I think the expectation was that we would play a really solid, entertaining, goal filled victory over Derby and it would be 3-1 Town. It wasn't and people over-reacted a bit, the Mooy transfer threw fuel on the fire, and with no real incoming transfers (bar one) - this has only made it worse. I think we are all worried, and it's fair, but I go back to my orginal post, behind it all is the TRUST issue, if it was still Dean and Dave we wouldn't be as worried would we, but that's because we knew them and trusted them.

We've had a seven month pre season gearing up for that game and we were awful . That's the long n short of it. I'm not.going to get pissed about signings. But I am going to get pissed at 100m of "talent" putting in a performance like that

That’s fine Chips, I’m sure we were all equally pissed after Derby. But the reaction of some folk - quite a few in fact, but the usual suspects to be honest - was so over the top you’d have thought that PH and JS had bummed their missus, sold their kids into slavery, hung, drawn and quartered their hamster then burnt their house down with granny and grandpa still inside.

[isleofmanterrier]

Aug 9, 2019 18:03:40 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Aug 9, 2019 17:56:41 GMT 1 Guthlac said:

I think the expectation was that we would play a really solid, entertaining, goal filled victory over Derby and it would be 3-1 Town. It wasn't and people over-reacted a bit, the Mooy transfer threw fuel on the fire, and with no real incoming transfers (bar one) - this has only made it worse. I think we are all worried, and it's fair, but I go back to my orginal post, behind it all is the TRUST issue, if it was still Dean and Dave we wouldn't be as worried would we, but that's because we knew them and trusted them.

We've had a seven month pre season gearing up for that game and we were awful . That's the long n short of it. I'm not.going to get pissed about signings. But I am going to get pissed at 100m of "talent" putting in a performance like that

Whilst I agree that the performance should’ve been much better from a very capable group of players, the buck stops with the manager for me. The players looked completely clueless playing 4-3-3, they struggled to have anyone close enough to be able to play out. You’ve got to wonder what JS has been doing all pre season for us to be so inept with and without the ball.

[galpharm2400]

If you do not trust the management at Town on or off the pitch, don't buy another season card or goods from the club shop and do not waste your time coming to games.
It is your right to stop paying/attending, you have no right to the club doing anything else than completing 23 home games and providing a safe stadium for you to sit in your seat.
We are a community club but the community is not on the board or a shareholder.
I personally would not tell some of the clowns on here when the next home game is never mind any ideas or plans I had for the team/club.

[Chips Longhorn]

Aug 9, 2019 18:22:46 GMT 1 isleofmanterrier said:

Aug 9, 2019 18:03:40 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

We've had a seven month pre season gearing up for that game and we were awful . That's the long n short of it. I'm not.going to get pissed about signings. But I am going to get pissed at 100m of "talent" putting in a performance like that

Whilst I agree that the performance should’ve been much better from a very capable group of players, the buck stops with the manager for me. The players looked completely clueless playing 4-3-3, they struggled to have anyone close enough to be able to play out. You’ve got to wonder what JS has been doing all pre season for us to be so inept with and without the ball.

Absolutely.. not.sure what he's done to gain our trust

[Manx Terrier]

Aug 9, 2019 17:37:12 GMT 1 Guthlac said:

Everyone going mad and effing and blinding about Siewart and PH.

They are new and you don't trust them.

They have not been here 5 minutes and already we are calling them all the names under the sun and wanting them sacked and out.

People, get a grip - one game in, it wasn't great and we are all fed up but for god sake if we all "go for the jugular", then what? You change the management, you still can't trust them because they are new, the team won't magically be tons better, nothing has really changed.

We have to give them time in order for trust to be built .

I fully admit that we may not like whats coming up, and there will be defeats along the way and we are going to have to suffer but we might get some success if we just lay off a bit and chill and take it one game at a time.

Trust is earned, not gained overnight, this is going to take time folks.

Patronising rant over!

I don't think it's a matter of trust at all.

They don't feel Siewart has done or will do a good job.

As to PH, Dean's sale is secret for some reason, they fear the club may be owned by someone with no funds or no access to funds. i.e. just a fan. If true this would be a big worry.

[johnnyx]

All right cards on the table, I don’t TRUST Siewert. It’s not just 5 minutes though is it , it’s months. Months of watching the team looking like an unmotivated shambles. Despite working with them for the pre-season the shape of the team in the first half on Monday and in the first half at Rochdale was a mess. I’m sorry though Galpham why should this prohibit me from going to the games. I’ve been going for nearly 50 years. I’m going tomorrow. I’ll get behind the team and I won’t boo them. We are in coral tomorrow unfortunately you might not see the players through rose tinted glasses

[galpharm2400]

Aug 9, 2019 19:56:25 GMT 1 johnnyx said:

All right cards on the table, I don’t TRUST Siewert. It’s not just 5 minutes though is it , it’s months. Months of watching the team looking like an unmotivated shambles. Despite working with them for the pre-season the shape of the team in the first half on Monday and in the first half at Rochdale was a mess. I’m sorry though Galpham why should this prohibit me from going to the games. I’ve been going for nearly 50 years. I’m going tomorrow. I’ll get behind the team and I won’t boo them. We are in coral tomorrow unfortunately you might not see the players through rose tinted glasses

its months of watching him work with a demotivated, almost uncaring squad who wrapped their hand in before he even arrived. He has had a window in which amazingly nobody wanted any of our better players very much, if at all, which fucked over any real plans to re vamp..
Mooy and Kongolo did not turn up till the 2nd half the other night, had he not played them he would have been pilloried but at least he got something from the team after half time, even with 2 or 3 still thinking there was enough time left to leave??

The 'mess' is obviously a team that is not yet with the new programme, much like Wagners team for a decent period of time until he got 'his players' in and influencing the squad through the week and in games into doing what Wagner wanted..

Other than Deano nobody 'trusted wagner' for some time, the vitriol on here and elsewhere about unknown, untried germans was strong.. Dean was right but 'time' was proved to be the key with his 'own' team and some new 'motivated' individuals in it..

of course I could be fucking miles out but recent 'history' says it should be given at least the same opportunity as our previous 'successful manager' got?

[brighousebandbred]

Bar my family this is my next love. I get annoyed when let down like on Monday but I’m starting to learn you need to have patience in life, don’t judge a book by its cover let the story unfold, this is how I view this scenario. Not enough of the story as come out to give up. UTT give people a chance ( JS and PH) .

[willo]

Aug 9, 2019 17:54:14 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Aug 9, 2019 17:48:56 GMT 1 sabailand said:

If we had beaten derby nomatter how scruffily, the majority of threads relating to this game wouldnt even have been started, some town fans are masters of sensationalist claptrap, they have it down to a tee.Most moaners will say they dont honestly expect to get promoted, but they still rail when we lose a game, monday was disappointing i agree, but many teams who come down from the prem dont come anywhere near going straight back up, so i cant fathom what some on here`s expectations are.

It's quite simple.

They want us to spend somewhere between 20 and 30 million on players, rather than putting it somewhere safe until we can find decent value for that money (whether that be on players or on running costs of the club).

Fans always know best when it comes to spending somebody elses money ya know. 

That's the ridicuous thing.

If we'd lost to derby but done 25 million yesterday, that would make some fans happy. 

Wrong. If we’d lost to Derby but spent 5-8 million yesterday bringing in the players required, that would have made a few of us happy.

[wildbillthetownfan]

Its been nothing short of pathetic from some so called Town supporter's,you back a team through thick and thin. I have been in London, Swindon and Bristol the last three day's working and chatting to fans of various club's, the interesting thing is they all thought we played ok after a shaky first half.

[andyeastleake]

With JS it's nowt to do with trust. It's that he's not been very good.

With PH it is all about trust.

....but how the f*** can you be expected to trust the club anymore when they plain & simply give incorrect information about Mooy's contractual position to supporters.

They then reveal this on transfer deadline day when they're just about to loan him out having achieved nothing towards getting a replacement.

People may have differing opinions on how you cultivate trust.

Mine is what has happened over the last week is simply p*** poor.


PS Off to QPR now.

It's 48 years and 360 days since I saw my first match. My memory may be playing tricks on me but I can't recall (or imagine) that I've ever felt less like going to a game in that time.

[galpharm2400]

It's your memory and it's short term as going away last season meant discussing wether we would make a chance worth its name. Watching the last 25 minutes of games we were losing and knowing BOTH teams were running the clock down.
In the last 50 years if you cannot recall many worse times you have selective memory or have been infected by the 'snowflake' generation. 🙊🙉🙈

[bigtruck]

Aug 9, 2019 22:31:09 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

Aug 9, 2019 19:56:25 GMT 1 johnnyx said:

All right cards on the table, I don’t TRUST Siewert. It’s not just 5 minutes though is it , it’s months. Months of watching the team looking like an unmotivated shambles. Despite working with them for the pre-season the shape of the team in the first half on Monday and in the first half at Rochdale was a mess. I’m sorry though Galpham why should this prohibit me from going to the games. I’ve been going for nearly 50 years. I’m going tomorrow. I’ll get behind the team and I won’t boo them. We are in coral tomorrow unfortunately you might not see the players through rose tinted glasses

its months of watching him work with a demotivated, almost uncaring squad who wrapped their hand in before he even arrived. He has had a window in which amazingly nobody wanted any of our better players very much, if at all, which fucked over any real plans to re vamp..
Mooy and Kongolo did not turn up till the 2nd half the other night, had he not played them he would have been pilloried but at least he got something from the team after half time, even with 2 or 3 still thinking there was enough time left to leave??

The 'mess' is obviously a team that is not yet with the new programme, much like Wagners team for a decent period of time until he got 'his players' in and influencing the squad through the week and in games into doing what Wagner wanted..

Other than Deano nobody 'trusted wagner' for some time, the vitriol on here and elsewhere about unknown, untried germans was strong.. Dean was right but 'time' was proved to be the key with his 'own' team and some new 'motivated' individuals in it..

of course I could be fucking miles out but recent 'history' says it should be given at least the same opportunity as our previous 'successful manager' got?

Sorry but you’re massively wrong about the vitriol towards DW. Within weeks of taking over at the ‘boro game 90% of that crowd came out of a stadium and thought jeez that was good. And we’d lost. You could see exactly what was coming. Another couple of weeks and those sane fans where thinking we’re going to spank someone soon and we duly did (Wednesday IIRC) nobody has seen the same plan and idea in the team from Jan yet and he’s had months. The lack of cohesion on Monday was evident

[York Terrier]

Aug 9, 2019 18:01:24 GMT 1 htfcsince70 said:

Whilst I was not happy with last season - the recruitment in particular - I'm sure not one person walks through the doors of HTFC in a morning thinking "I'm going to do a bad job today" that in includes JS and PH - I'm sure that they want the club to be a success - why on earth wouldn't they! UTT

And I wake up every morning thinking I am going to pull a gorgeous 24 year old long legged blonde and then win the lottery.BUT IT NEVER HAPPENS just because they think they are doing a good job does not make it so.

[specialun]

My view nothing to do with Derby

I’ve said the squad is not balanced, underinvested and daft buying so many league 2 and below players since before pre season started

(Let me correct that - since January. We needed a DOF in quickly to avoid another diabolical transfer window. We didn’t. The results are clear. Our lack of strategy / direction / poor decisions in transfer market goes back to since Webber left. And the merry go round of DOFs, no DOFs for 6months, lasting 6 months etc - All Directors at fault for that)

It was blatantly clear we were going about things the wrong way

I was told I had to be patient and that we’d been told if we sold players we’d buy players - I was told trust PH

Billing, Smith, Mooy loan fee, Zanka about there gone since I was told to be patient

None of the £20m + funds used for permanent signings

I expect we’ll be top of the bottom half this season. That will be a good job by Jan with the tools at his disposal

[Deleted]

Aug 10, 2019 8:11:22 GMT 1 andyeastleake said:

With JS it's nowt to do with trust. It's that he's not been very good.

With PH it is all about trust.

....but how the f*** can you be expected to trust the club anymore when they plain & simply give incorrect information about Mooy's contractual position to supporters.

They then reveal this on transfer deadline day when they're just about to loan him out having achieved nothing towards getting a replacement.

People may have differing opinions on how you cultivate trust.

Mine is what has happened over the last week is simply p*** poor.


PS Off to QPR now.

It's 48 years and 360 days since I saw my first match. My memory may be playing tricks on me but I can't recall (or imagine) that I've ever felt less like going to a game in that time.

No, it was the Examiner who misreported Mooys contract and non existent option.

The club only ever announced that he’d signed a deal until 2020 >>

www.htafc.com/news/2017/june/transfer-aaron-mooy-joins-town-permanently/

[ambryboy]

Aug 10, 2019 8:59:04 GMT 1 bigtruck said:

Aug 9, 2019 22:31:09 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

its months of watching him work with a demotivated, almost uncaring squad who wrapped their hand in before he even arrived. He has had a window in which amazingly nobody wanted any of our better players very much, if at all, which fucked over any real plans to re vamp..
Mooy and Kongolo did not turn up till the 2nd half the other night, had he not played them he would have been pilloried but at least he got something from the team after half time, even with 2 or 3 still thinking there was enough time left to leave??

The 'mess' is obviously a team that is not yet with the new programme, much like Wagners team for a decent period of time until he got 'his players' in and influencing the squad through the week and in games into doing what Wagner wanted..

Other than Deano nobody 'trusted wagner' for some time, the vitriol on here and elsewhere about unknown, untried germans was strong.. Dean was right but 'time' was proved to be the key with his 'own' team and some new 'motivated' individuals in it..

of course I could be fucking miles out but recent 'history' says it should be given at least the same opportunity as our previous 'successful manager' got?

Sorry but you’re massively wrong about the vitriol towards DW. Within weeks of taking over at the ‘boro game 90% of that crowd came out of a stadium and thought jeez that was good. And we’d lost. You could see exactly what was coming. Another couple of weeks and those sane fans where thinking we’re going to spank someone soon and we duly did (Wednesday IIRC) nobody has seen the same plan and idea in the team from Jan yet and he’s had months. The lack of cohesion on Monday was evident

Absolutely right there Galpharm that Wagner was clearly a man with a plan and also an identity which was evident almost immediately. 6 months in and I've yet to see any evidence of such clarity of approach from Siewert.

[specialun]

Aug 10, 2019 9:31:45 GMT 1 @bacunafrittata said:

Aug 10, 2019 8:11:22 GMT 1 andyeastleake said:

With JS it's nowt to do with trust. It's that he's not been very good.

With PH it is all about trust.

....but how the f*** can you be expected to trust the club anymore when they plain & simply give incorrect information about Mooy's contractual position to supporters.

They then reveal this on transfer deadline day when they're just about to loan him out having achieved nothing towards getting a replacement.

People may have differing opinions on how you cultivate trust.

Mine is what has happened over the last week is simply p*** poor.


PS Off to QPR now.

It's 48 years and 360 days since I saw my first match. My memory may be playing tricks on me but I can't recall (or imagine) that I've ever felt less like going to a game in that time.

No, it was the Examiner who misreported Mooys contract and non existent option.

The club only ever announced that he’d signed a deal until 2020 >>

www.htafc.com/news/2017/june/transfer-aaron-mooy-joins-town-permanently/

That must have been edited in the last few days

It previously said the club has an option of an extra year

I checked it a few days ago when someone suggested we didn’t have an option of an extra year and it definitely said we did then

[upthetown]

Aug 10, 2019 9:45:53 GMT 1 specialun said:

Aug 10, 2019 9:31:45 GMT 1 @bacunafrittata said:

No, it was the Examiner who misreported Mooys contract and non existent option.

The club only ever announced that he’d signed a deal until 2020 >>

www.htafc.com/news/2017/june/transfer-aaron-mooy-joins-town-permanently/

That must have been edited in the last few days

It previously said the club has an option of an extra year

I checked it a few days ago when someone suggested we didn’t have an option of an extra year and it definitely said we did then

It was edited on the day. I remember someone linking it before and after.

[Headless Chicken]

Aug 10, 2019 9:31:45 GMT 1 @bacunafrittata said:

Aug 10, 2019 8:11:22 GMT 1 andyeastleake said:

With JS it's nowt to do with trust. It's that he's not been very good.

With PH it is all about trust.

....but how the f*** can you be expected to trust the club anymore when they plain & simply give incorrect information about Mooy's contractual position to supporters.

They then reveal this on transfer deadline day when they're just about to loan him out having achieved nothing towards getting a replacement.

People may have differing opinions on how you cultivate trust.

Mine is what has happened over the last week is simply p*** poor.


PS Off to QPR now.

It's 48 years and 360 days since I saw my first match. My memory may be playing tricks on me but I can't recall (or imagine) that I've ever felt less like going to a game in that time.

No, it was the Examiner who misreported Mooys contract and non existent option.

The club only ever announced that he’d signed a deal until 2020 >>

www.htafc.com/news/2017/june/transfer-aaron-mooy-joins-town-permanently/

In this case, I think the club cocked-up and have covered their tracks.

[Deleted]

Ah ok, fair enough....in that case that’s pretty amateurish. But to be fair the web site content often is.

[andyboothscat]

Look at the cached version in google results if you search for the 2017 story and you’ll see the original line about the extra year was in there a few days ago.

It’s very concerning that they have made a deliberate attempt to mislead fans in such a manner.

[iangreaves]

Aug 10, 2019 8:11:22 GMT 1 andyeastleake said:

With JS it's nowt to do with trust. It's that he's not been very good.

With PH it is all about trust.

....but how the f*** can you be expected to trust the club anymore when they plain & simply give incorrect information about Mooy's contractual position to supporters.

They then reveal this on transfer deadline day when they're just about to loan him out having achieved nothing towards getting a replacement.

People may have differing opinions on how you cultivate trust.

Mine is what has happened over the last week is simply p*** poor.


PS Off to QPR now.

It's 48 years and 360 days since I saw my first match. My memory may be playing tricks on me but I can't recall (or imagine) that I've ever felt less like going to a game in that time.

I think 1967 or 68 was my first game. And there have definitely been many worse times than this.