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Post by tepidterrier on Jun 14, 2021 15:03:09 GMT 1
If it wasn’t for Seawart he would have gone to a bigger club and for more money. I've only just seen this but how do you work that out? Billing's non-performance when he came on at West Ham is probably the most disinterested I've ever seen by a Town player. I'm not surprised Siewart never picked him again. he was really crap in that game but I got the impression he didn't know what he was supposed to be doing. Jan put him on as a right winger which he wouldn't be good at now even in his more advanced role at Bournemouth. Both were 2/10 at best but I think Puncheon was far worse in that game- idly wafted a foot at an open goal, missing the chance to put us 4-3 up. His face afterwards was some kind of smug smirk, which I'll never forget
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Post by CaptainHart on Jun 14, 2021 15:27:23 GMT 1
I've only just seen this but how do you work that out? Billing's non-performance when he came on at West Ham is probably the most disinterested I've ever seen by a Town player. I'm not surprised Siewart never picked him again. he was really crap in that game but I got the impression he didn't know what he was supposed to be doing. Jan put him on as a right winger which he wouldn't be good at now even in his more advanced role at Bournemouth. Both were 2/10 at best but I think Puncheon was far worse in that game- idly wafted a foot at an open goal, missing the chance to put us 4-3 up. His face afterwards was some kind of smug smirk, which I'll never forget I sort of let Puncheon off because he was crap anyway. Thing was we'd been solid down the right until Rowe and then Bacuna went off, Billing's job was simple: block their left hand side, as it was I seem to remember pretty much all their goals came from that side.
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Post by ldotm on Jun 14, 2021 16:04:47 GMT 1
No doubt Oti will still push his agenda of how he’s still right about Billing. The truth is, Billing is very talented and it’s always been about his attitude that may hold him back.
Sounds like his attitude was spot on last year and Norwich must be adamant his attitude won’t hold him back.
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Post by boooothy on Jun 14, 2021 20:37:13 GMT 1
If it wasn’t for Seawart he would have gone to a bigger club and for more money. I've only just seen this but how do you work that out? Billing's non-performance when he came on at West Ham is probably the most disinterested I've ever seen by a Town player. I'm not surprised Siewart never picked him again. It’s easy to forget what our players were worth when Wagner was manager. At that point Billing was head and shoulders player of the season. If we’d of been selling him in that transfer window it would have been for 25 million minimum. Then Bertie Big Bollocks turns up, shouting at men who had actually achieved something in football. I wished i could have started supporting a different team at the time rather than watching that crank picking Duhaney, Rowe, Diabenza. No wonder a bunch of millionaires with no love of the club couldn’t be arsed running for a German PE teacher.
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Post by boooothy on Jun 14, 2021 20:48:43 GMT 1
And then we told everyone he had a bad attitude!!!!!!!!!
Just think about how dumb that it when you’re trying to sell a player.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jun 14, 2021 21:19:04 GMT 1
No doubt Oti will still push his agenda of how he’s still right about Billing. The truth is, Billing is very talented and it’s always been about his attitude that may hold him back. Sounds like his attitude was spot on last year and Norwich must be adamant his attitude won’t hold him back. If you have a gander at the Muff forum (careful it's the right one) there are a fair view fans saying his attitude stunk. You could put some of that down to reputation, but it is there.
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Post by CaptainHart on Jun 14, 2021 21:19:09 GMT 1
And then we told everyone he had a bad attitude!!!!!!!!! Just think about how dumb that it when you’re trying to sell a player. The bad attitude that he demonstrated for everyone to see. Nobody was ever going to pay £25M for him.
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Post by boooothy on Jun 14, 2021 21:31:13 GMT 1
And then we told everyone he had a bad attitude!!!!!!!!! Just think about how dumb that it when you’re trying to sell a player. The bad attitude that he demonstrated for everyone to see. Nobody was ever going to pay £25M for him. I never saw it, i just saw some poor performances after Hoyle pressed the self destruct button. We’ll never know what we’d of got for him but not picking him, slagging him off and making it known we had to sell, certainly didn’t increase his value
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jun 14, 2021 22:02:28 GMT 1
He had an effortless style, that’s a lot different to a lack of effort. Watch many top midfielders and they have the same movement, especially those over 6 foot.
Sadly, most Town fans think any player who doesn’t race around like a headless chicken is a waster.
It’s why we preferred Bullock over Marsden, Worthington over Collins and Hogg over Billing. Then we bemoan a lack of creativity.
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Post by benhomly on Jun 14, 2021 22:39:05 GMT 1
He had an effortless style, that’s a lot different to a lack of effort. Watch many top midfielders and they have the same movement, especially those over 6 foot. Sadly, most Town fans think any player who doesn’t race around like a headless chicken is a waster. It’s why we preferred Bullock over Marsden, Worthington over Collins and Hogg over Billing. Then we bemoan a lack of creativity. It’s not just his demeanour on the pitch a lot of fans didn’t like, he’s admitted recently that he regrets the way in which he left the club that ‘made’ him and gave him the opportunity to become a multi millionaire. It’s that kind of attitude that pisses people off and rightly so.
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jun 14, 2021 22:47:40 GMT 1
He was 23. I’m pretty sure I’d have acted like a right twat to earn a big money move out of the car crash we were at the time.
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Post by benhomly on Jun 14, 2021 22:49:27 GMT 1
He was 23. I’m pretty sure I’d have acted like a right twat to earn a big money move out of the car crash we were at the time. I’m sure you would
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jun 14, 2021 23:02:42 GMT 1
He was 23. I’m pretty sure I’d have acted like a right twat to earn a big money move out of the car crash we were at the time. I’m sure you would I’ve done it for far less. Sadly, it’s the way the game is. Kane is Spurs through and through but he’s decided he’s off. If levy tries to stop him he’ll kick up merry hell. Alan Smith, Sol Campbell, van Persie…there’s no such thing as loyalty, even in local lads representing the club they support. Jackson couldn’t wait to get away from Bradford after they’d paid a fortune for him and made him their highest paid player. We lapped him up and made him our hero. Some you win, some you lose. No point getting annoyed about it.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 14, 2021 23:11:53 GMT 1
He had an effortless style, that’s a lot different to a lack of effort. Watch many top midfielders and they have the same movement, especially those over 6 foot. Sadly, most Town fans think any player who doesn’t race around like a headless chicken is a waster. It’s why we preferred Bullock over Marsden, Worthington over Collins and Hogg over Billing. Then we bemoan a lack of creativity. It’s not just his demeanour on the pitch a lot of fans didn’t like, he’s admitted recently that he regrets the way in which he left the club that ‘made’ him and gave him the opportunity to become a multi millionaire. It’s that kind of attitude that pisses people off and rightly so. In the interview he wouldn't touch on a lot of the incidents that might explain why the relationship broke down and he was so keen to leave. Theres generally two sides to these things. In terms of pounds per minute of gametime he was the worst paid player in the PL apparently, so imagine he could have had a bee in his bonnet about that. Sounds like he's matured as a lad over the past couple of years, as we all do at that age, so sure he would do things a little differently now. I don't bare him any ill will. He was a very good player for us and we did well financially out of him. he's having an excellent career so far and im sure it will continue.
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Post by benhomly on Jun 14, 2021 23:12:19 GMT 1
I’ve done it for far less. Sadly, it’s the way the game is. Kane is Spurs through and through but he’s decided he’s off. If levy tries to stop him he’ll kick up merry hell. Alan Smith, Sol Campbell, van Persie…there’s no such thing as loyalty, even in local lads representing the club they support. Jackson couldn’t wait to get away from Bradford after they’d paid a fortune for him and made him their highest paid player. We lapped him up and made him our hero. Some you win, some you lose. No point getting annoyed about it. Football is a very emotive game, that’s what makes it what it is. There’s not many players I take a dislike to but Billing is one of them.
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Post by tepidterrier on Jun 15, 2021 9:10:58 GMT 1
I've only just seen this but how do you work that out? Billing's non-performance when he came on at West Ham is probably the most disinterested I've ever seen by a Town player. I'm not surprised Siewart never picked him again. It’s easy to forget what our players were worth when Wagner was manager. At that point Billing was head and shoulders player of the season. If we’d of been selling him in that transfer window it would have been for 25 million minimum. Then Bertie Big Bollocks turns up, shouting at men who had actually achieved something in football. I wished i could have started supporting a different team at the time rather than watching that crank picking Duhaney, Rowe, Diabenza. No wonder a bunch of millionaires with no love of the club couldn’t be arsed running for a German PE teacher. the thing that's so funny about the PE teacher jibe is that Siewert wasn't a PE teacher, but both the Cowley brothers and Wagner were!
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Post by Mastercracker on Jun 15, 2021 10:01:25 GMT 1
The lads a genuine idiot. It's only 12 months since he was peddling 5G/Covid conspiracy theories on his twitter.
More than enough talent to be a Premier League footballer. His problem is always going to be his lack of heart. Goes missing when things aren't going well, and given he's always likely to be in the relegation mix whilst in the Prem, it's not really a good combo. He'd have been in the Town side every week by 18 and probably flogged for big money long before he eventually became a regular if his head was screwed on.
Always thought he'd flourish in Spain where it's slower and the relegation scrap is less cut throat. Look at the career of Nzonzi who was a middling prem player at Blackburn and Stoke then went to Sevilla, won a Europa League, got in the French squad and then got himself a WC winners medal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 12:38:21 GMT 1
The lads a genuine idiot. It's only 12 months since he was peddling 5G/Covid conspiracy theories on his twitter.More than enough talent to be a Premier League footballer. His problem is always going to be his lack of heart. Goes missing when things aren't going well, and given he's always likely to be in the relegation mix whilst in the Prem, it's not really a good combo. He'd have been in the Town side every week by 18 and probably flogged for big money long before he eventually became a regular if his head was screwed on. Always thought he'd flourish in Spain where it's slower and the relegation scrap is less cut throat. Look at the career of Nzonzi who was a middling prem player at Blackburn and Stoke then went to Sevilla, won a Europa League, got in the French squad and then got himself a WC winners medal. I'd steer clear of the COVID thread on here - this board's full of COVID conspiracy theorists/idiots! (wink face emoji thing goes here)
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 2, 2021 13:28:18 GMT 1
Billing may be off to Norwich. Which means we'll have to be paid whatever we're owed and any sell on clauses.
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Post by crux on Aug 2, 2021 13:38:59 GMT 1
Billing may be off to Norwich. Which means we'll have to be paid whatever we're owed and any sell on clauses. This isn't meant to restart the normal shite that goes on regarding DH. But if we have to pay him back anyway, I'd use any money we receive early from this potential transfer to pay off DH. The sooner he's paid off, the sooner we can move on.
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Post by jqhtfc on Aug 2, 2021 13:46:42 GMT 1
Billing may be off to Norwich. Which means we'll have to be paid whatever we're owed and any sell on clauses. Could make a nice bit of money off this and use it to pay Hoyle what he’s owed for the year
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Post by Toxic Ted on Aug 2, 2021 14:02:10 GMT 1
The club clearly felt that staggered payments over a few years was the best thing for us. Hence, the deals we did with Billing & Grant to boost our mid-term revenues.
I’m all for paying DH off ASAP but it could disrupt our plans a bit if we do so.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Aug 2, 2021 14:10:39 GMT 1
Billing may be off to Norwich. Which means we'll have to be paid whatever we're owed and any sell on clauses. Could make a nice bit of money off this and use it to pay Hoyle what he’s owed for the year Feels like this Hoyle loan won’t go away. I can understand why you want it done ASAP. The loan is like having an anchor strapped around your neck while trying to swim the 100m.
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 2, 2021 14:39:36 GMT 1
Is Hoyle charging interest on this loan? If not, then I see little sense in paying him back early.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 2, 2021 14:40:31 GMT 1
Is Hoyle charging interest on this loan? If not, then I see little sense in paying him back early. AFAIK loans were all interest free.
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Post by Town1971 on Aug 2, 2021 15:04:40 GMT 1
The club clearly felt that staggered payments over a few years was the best thing for us. Hence, the deals we did with Billing & Grant to boost our mid-term revenues. I’m all for paying DH off ASAP but it could disrupt our plans a bit if we do so. It would though feel good to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 15:47:17 GMT 1
Billing may be off to Norwich. Which means we'll have to be paid whatever we're owed and any sell on clauses. This isn't meant to restart the normal shite that goes on regarding DH. But if we have to pay him back anyway, I'd use any money we receive early from this potential transfer to pay off DH. The sooner he's paid off, the sooner we can move on. It's an interest free loan from DH to HTFC so it would be mental to pay it off earlier than required, so you are connecting the normal shite-despite denying it.
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Post by jqhtfc on Aug 2, 2021 15:56:55 GMT 1
Is Hoyle charging interest on this loan? If not, then I see little sense in paying him back early. I wouldn’t say pay him back early however the club need to find x million a year over the next few years to pay him back this deal could make it a lot easier and means sales from others say O’Brien can actually be used to strengthen the side.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 15:58:27 GMT 1
He had an effortless style, that’s a lot different to a lack of effort. Watch many top midfielders and they have the same movement, especially those over 6 foot. Sadly, most Town fans think any player who doesn’t race around like a headless chicken is a waster. It’s why we preferred Bullock over Marsden, Worthington over Collins and Hogg over Billing. Then we bemoan a lack of creativity. all the six playerss you have named have or had there own qualities no doubt about that.the thing with billing was three fold one he covered more ground in two strides than most in four and yes I have seen the stats and believe me he covered as much ground as most. The problem was at times was he lacked a bit of self motivation but where has siewart perhaps didn't handle him as well as he could have both the player coach and club had to take there share of responsibility for the situation but I never questioned his ability but in the end it was and has turned out the best for both parties that's football
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Post by Convictatthemac on Aug 2, 2021 16:10:46 GMT 1
This isn't meant to restart the normal shite that goes on regarding DH. But if we have to pay him back anyway, I'd use any money we receive early from this potential transfer to pay off DH. The sooner he's paid off, the sooner we can move on. It's an interest free loan from DH to HTFC so it would be mental to pay it off earlier than required, so you are connecting the normal shite-despite denying it. Thought the rumour was we can’t buy players until loans are paid off? Before anyone brings up Pipa, thought he was paid for out of Phil’s pocket. So it could make sense to pay the loan off earlier so we can invest in players???
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