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Post by Up the Duff. on Aug 13, 2019 22:14:18 GMT 1
...a feeling of how the fans are feeling.
i guess they might realise we are not happy.
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Post by ACW on Aug 13, 2019 22:21:24 GMT 1
It's very rare that so many on DATM are in agreement about a particular issue. Infact, in over 20 years posting on this board I can't remember a time when pretty much everyone wanted the manager sacked. Perhaps when Wadsworth was in charge, but that's the only other time I can remember.
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Post by DuffMan on Aug 13, 2019 22:23:35 GMT 1
Taxi for Jan
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Post by E4b on Aug 13, 2019 22:25:00 GMT 1
If they do read this board get fucking rid of that clown of a manager and get rid of the fucking poor excuse of footballers (Mbenza, Diakhaby and Quaner) NOW!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 13, 2019 22:26:09 GMT 1
If they do read this board get fucking rid of that clown of a manager and get rid of the fucking poor excuse of footballers (Mbenza, Diakhaby and Quaner) NOW! Yeah and bring back Jack Payne Daniel Ward and Benjamin Hamer while you're at it |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 13, 2019 22:26:26 GMT 1
If they do read this board get fucking rid of that clown of a manager and get rid of the fucking poor excuse of footballers (Mbenza, Diakhaby and Quaner) NOW! And bring back fat Danny Ward and Ben Hamer while you're at it 😉 |
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Post by est1908 on Aug 13, 2019 22:27:43 GMT 1
I could have bought HTAFC if I paid the previous owner what was due to him anyway.....
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Post by E4b on Aug 13, 2019 22:28:00 GMT 1
If they do read this board get fucking rid of that clown of a manager and get rid of the fucking poor excuse of footballers (Mbenza, Diakhaby and Quaner) NOW! Yeah and bring back Jack Payne Daniel Ward and Benjamin Hamer while you're at it We tried to bring back Wardy but he told us to bollocks! Hamer is on loan and Jack fucked us over tonight. |
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Post by terrierneil on Aug 13, 2019 22:28:23 GMT 1
You've fucked up Dean. Give the parachute payments back.
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Post by E4b on Aug 13, 2019 22:28:42 GMT 1
If they do read this board get fucking rid of that clown of a manager and get rid of the fucking poor excuse of footballers (Mbenza, Diakhaby and Quaner) NOW! And bring back fat Danny Ward and Ben Hamer while you're at it 😉 See my response to same above. |
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Post by Wingman on Aug 13, 2019 22:29:50 GMT 1
You've fucked up Dean. Give the parachute payments back. Steady on old boy. |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 13, 2019 22:30:26 GMT 1
And bring back fat Danny Ward and Ben Hamer while you're at it 😉 See my response to same above. Was only messing with you pal 😉 |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Aug 13, 2019 22:31:10 GMT 1
I was all for giving JS time. But Jesus Christ tonight left me feeling empty. The players look like they are literally going through the motions, and what made it worse was that the one player who lit the game up VLP, you get the impression JS wants him no where near his championship side. For me this makes me think he’ doesn’t know how to handle players.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 13, 2019 22:38:21 GMT 1
I was all for giving JS time. But Jesus Christ tonight left me feeling empty. The players look like they are literally going through the motions, and what made it worse was that the one player who lit the game up VLP, you get the impression JS wants him no where near his championship side. For me this makes me think he’ doesn’t know how to handle players. Did more in 20 mins than anyone else has done all season. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 13, 2019 22:47:15 GMT 1
I was on the fence about Sievert before that. Could see how it would pan out but thought he should be given a bit more time all the same.
After sitting through that shambles Im off the fence now. The tactics, whatever they are, are taking us nowhere but down,. The players look confused and like they don;t want to play for this manager. The new signings don;t look anything like good enough.
Theres absolutely nothing to cling to to make you think this manager is going to be a success.. nothing.
He looks lost,, totally out of his depth.
Our best player tonight was Schofield. Make no mistake had it not been for him ( and a quite unbelievable miss by payne ) we could have gone down 3 or 4 nil.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 13, 2019 23:05:07 GMT 1
I'm not defending JS here, but if you think back to the fragmented way last season fell apart & DW made the call to exit, he came into a club that was rock bottom psychologically as well as league position.
If rumours are true that he's never had the dressing room since day one and some of that is to do with the stuff mentioned above, then I'd think it was a real shame for the guy to be shoved into the limelight with all that going on.
But he did accept the job. My initial concerns with JS at the outset was his age. DW had had a decent and recognisable career, but he was also old enough to be treated with respect and for quite a lot of the squad, a supportive father figure.
JS would have been more that slightly older cousin and I imagine given lesser respect from that same squad.
It does appear increasingly likely that this will become another failed experiment, but I think it's more to do with his age. He may well mature into something of the DW ilk in the next 5-7 yrs, but at the moment this looks like it's not doing any of the parties any good and JS can only be seeing his stock reduced.
I think there are some tenuous similarities with the Fergie situation. He essentially hand picked Moyes as his replacement and from that point on his career went backwards. Had he stayed at Everton he could have become a club legend, but he chose the Man Utd gig because it had massive appeal. It absolutely sunk him instead...
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 13, 2019 23:09:27 GMT 1
If I was PH I’d start with the manager then look at those responsible for selecting JS and deciding on the shite signings in 2018 and it would appear in 2019 - millions thrown away
Too much failure being overlooked and accepted
A new broom and all that
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Aug 13, 2019 23:12:55 GMT 1
I'm not defending JS here, but if you think back to the fragmented way last season fell apart & DW made the call to exit, he came into a club that was rock bottom psychologically as well as league position. If rumours are true that he's never had the dressing room since day one and some of that is to do with the stuff mentioned above, then I'd think it was a real shame for the guy to be shoved into the limelight with all that going on. But he did accept the job. My initial concerns with JS at the outset was his age. DW had had a decent and recognisable career, but he was also old enough to be treated with respect and for quite a lot of the squad, a supportive father figure. JS would have been more that slightly older cousin and I imagine given lesser respect from that same squad. It does appear increasingly likely that this will become another failed experiment, but I think it's more to do with his age. He may well mature into something of the DW ilk in the next 5-7 yrs, but at the moment this looks like it's not doing any of the parties any good and JS can only be seeing his stock reduced. I think there are some tenuous similarities with the Fergie situation. He essentially hand picked Moyes as his replacement and from that point on his career went backwards. Had he stayed at Everton he could have become a club legend, but he chose the Man Utd gig because it had massive appeal. It absolutely sunk him instead... Absolutely agree with this and was saying the same about JS's age to my mates tonight. He's young enough to be 'one of the lads' and bond in that sort of laddish way yet he seems to be more remote and aloof and expect respect that the players probably think he just hasn't yet earned. I feel sorry for him as he is what he is and those who appointed him are the guilty IMHO as they must have known exactly what sort of man they were buying into. |
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Post by villageidiot on Aug 13, 2019 23:13:43 GMT 1
I'm not defending JS here, but if you think back to the fragmented way last season fell apart & DW made the call to exit, he came into a club that was rock bottom psychologically as well as league position. If rumours are true that he's never had the dressing room since day one and some of that is to do with the stuff mentioned above, then I'd think it was a real shame for the guy to be shoved into the limelight with all that going on. But he did accept the job. My initial concerns with JS at the outset was his age. DW had had a decent and recognisable career, but he was also old enough to be treated with respect and for quite a lot of the squad, a supportive father figure. JS would have been more that slightly older cousin and I imagine given lesser respect from that same squad. It does appear increasingly likely that this will become another failed experiment, but I think it's more to do with his age. He may well mature into something of the DW ilk in the next 5-7 yrs, but at the moment this looks like it's not doing any of the parties any good and JS can only be seeing his stock reduced. I think there are some tenuous similarities with the Fergie situation. He essentially hand picked Moyes as his replacement and from that point on his career went backwards. Had he stayed at Everton he could have become a club legend, but he chose the Man Utd gig because it had massive appeal. It absolutely sunk him instead... the one that used to visit for a few hours , break all your toys and then disappear for 6 months |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 13, 2019 23:17:40 GMT 1
I'm not defending JS here, but if you think back to the fragmented way last season fell apart & DW made the call to exit, he came into a club that was rock bottom psychologically as well as league position. If rumours are true that he's never had the dressing room since day one and some of that is to do with the stuff mentioned above, then I'd think it was a real shame for the guy to be shoved into the limelight with all that going on. But he did accept the job. My initial concerns with JS at the outset was his age. DW had had a decent and recognisable career, but he was also old enough to be treated with respect and for quite a lot of the squad, a supportive father figure. JS would have been more that slightly older cousin and I imagine given lesser respect from that same squad. It does appear increasingly likely that this will become another failed experiment, but I think it's more to do with his age. He may well mature into something of the DW ilk in the next 5-7 yrs, but at the moment this looks like it's not doing any of the parties any good and JS can only be seeing his stock reduced. I think there are some tenuous similarities with the Fergie situation. He essentially hand picked Moyes as his replacement and from that point on his career went backwards. Had he stayed at Everton he could have become a club legend, but he chose the Man Utd gig because it had massive appeal. It absolutely sunk him instead... Jackpot was 36 when he engineered the great escape People like Eddie Howe, Mauro Silva, lee Johnson started managing in their mid thirties I don’t think age matters personally |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 13, 2019 23:18:14 GMT 1
I'm not defending JS here, but if you think back to the fragmented way last season fell apart & DW made the call to exit, he came into a club that was rock bottom psychologically as well as league position. If rumours are true that he's never had the dressing room since day one and some of that is to do with the stuff mentioned above, then I'd think it was a real shame for the guy to be shoved into the limelight with all that going on. But he did accept the job. My initial concerns with JS at the outset was his age. DW had had a decent and recognisable career, but he was also old enough to be treated with respect and for quite a lot of the squad, a supportive father figure. JS would have been more that slightly older cousin and I imagine given lesser respect from that same squad. It does appear increasingly likely that this will become another failed experiment, but I think it's more to do with his age. He may well mature into something of the DW ilk in the next 5-7 yrs, but at the moment this looks like it's not doing any of the parties any good and JS can only be seeing his stock reduced. I think there are some tenuous similarities with the Fergie situation. He essentially hand picked Moyes as his replacement and from that point on his career went backwards. Had he stayed at Everton he could have become a club legend, but he chose the Man Utd gig because it had massive appeal. It absolutely sunk him instead... the one that used to visit for a few hours , break all your toys and then disappear for 6 months That's the one. Despite you moaning to your parents that you didn't like him, they kept telling you that he was ok, because their siblings had told them he was ok... 😁 |
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Post by dugnet on Aug 14, 2019 0:12:53 GMT 1
Tonight has to be the point, if not Friday, when everyone in charge of the club (including DH) stands back, holds their hands up and says; "We need to look at ourselves, take stock, accept things aren't right and we need a plan to stabilise short term and move forward longer term ".
Tonight we witnessed;
A team who were sent out in a shape that didn't work, tactics that were unfathomable and a team that were like strangers.
Players who largely looked uncertain,lacking confidence and no coherence. Schofield and VLP are the only two who came out with credit. But I blame the coach and his barmy tactics.
A coach who looked somewhere between clueless and as though he was scouting the game rather than being in charge. He then had the temerity to blame the players and threw them under the bus. Given he'd presided over the tactics this was shameful. The much maligned Billing may have been foolish to make comments in the press but it's looking increasingly like he was absolutely right in his assessment.
We have an assistant coach with perma tan and highlights in his hair. Quite frankly he looks bloody ridiculous and although this wouldn't matter if he was any good but the fact he is the age he is and has only had low level jobs says a lot.
We then have our new Chairman melodramatically stomping up and down the side of the pitch with his phone pressed to his ear. This is in view of those remaining in the ground, including the press. This is grossly unprofessional and gives the impression that there is more than a little bit of "look at me" about PH. It's nothing like how DH would behave. All in all he's not doing a great job in leaving a favourable impression.
We then have a report that our Chief Executive is having, and I quote "A heated debate " with the media manager.
The sum total is that in a short space of time the club has moved from stable, transparent and well run to a complete and utter shambles in comparison. All concerned need to be honest,put their ego aside and pull together.
I'm afraid Siewert has to go and needs replacing with a credible replacement. We then need some sensible communication about the direction of the club and what we should expect in terms of budgets and strategy for the next year,3 years and 5 years.
It is unbelievable that it should come to this and all responsible should feel uncomfortable tonight. And those who are able need to do something about it.
Rant over...
One final thing....The fans have done more than their bit over the past two years. People being annoyed and challenging should not be criticised. Personal abuse us not acceptable but fans saying enough is enough is perfectly reasonable.
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Post by ambryboy on Aug 14, 2019 0:27:42 GMT 1
I'm not defending JS here, but if you think back to the fragmented way last season fell apart & DW made the call to exit, he came into a club that was rock bottom psychologically as well as league position. If rumours are true that he's never had the dressing room since day one and some of that is to do with the stuff mentioned above, then I'd think it was a real shame for the guy to be shoved into the limelight with all that going on. But he did accept the job. My initial concerns with JS at the outset was his age. DW had had a decent and recognisable career, but he was also old enough to be treated with respect and for quite a lot of the squad, a supportive father figure. JS would have been more that slightly older cousin and I imagine given lesser respect from that same squad. It does appear increasingly likely that this will become another failed experiment, but I think it's more to do with his age. He may well mature into something of the DW ilk in the next 5-7 yrs, but at the moment this looks like it's not doing any of the parties any good and JS can only be seeing his stock reduced. I think there are some tenuous similarities with the Fergie situation. He essentially hand picked Moyes as his replacement and from that point on his career went backwards. Had he stayed at Everton he could have become a club legend, but he chose the Man Utd gig because it had massive appeal. It absolutely sunk him instead... Jackpot was 36 when he engineered the great escape People like Eddie Howe, Mauro Silva, lee Johnson started managing in their mid thirties I don’t think age matters personally In fairness Peter Jackpot [sic] had a very good coach in Yorath, I don't believe that Colin Bell is of the same calibre. |
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Post by ritchie on Aug 14, 2019 0:43:01 GMT 1
You've fucked up Dean. Give the parachute payments back.  |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Aug 14, 2019 0:49:18 GMT 1
Time for the owners and board to admit they’ve made some very poor decisions. Perhaps Jan can turn it around, but he’s already been trying since January, hope he can turn it around finally and quickly.
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Post by towntastic on Aug 14, 2019 0:49:52 GMT 1
The club needs to start from ground zero before the shitstorm of all shitstorms arrive. The goodwill of the fans who upto now have gone along with everything and backed the club because we were conditioned to relegation along time ago. The penny pinching and lack of ambition will bite them on the arse and then the money saved will be gobbled up by the lack of revenue via the turnstiles and the return to half empty stadiums. I cant believe how fast and how far we are falling in such a relatively short space of time. Dean has dropped a bollock letting Pocketless Phil into the club and I don't think Pocketless ( MR Ego ) will hang around long when the tide turns and he has to face the discontent of the fans but I fear the damage done before he walks the walk will take years to put right. Its almost as though we are embarrassed to have made it to the prem. If the bloke had an ounce of decency he would walk with the manager.
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Post by bleaklow on Aug 14, 2019 1:04:15 GMT 1
It was a pathetic performance against Lincoln - they looked like players who were 'up for it' and understood their system and rolls, whereas our
players were just the opposite. And re Wagner - did he approve of the signings of B D & M, or would he have preferred a couple of much better,
more expensive and experienced players whom the board wouldn't sanction?
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Post by melbourneterrier on Aug 14, 2019 1:39:18 GMT 1
As fans, going from promotion and staying up...since then what?
We've seen our best manager ever leave
We've seen a few of those players 'spit the dummy' and leave
We've seen a manager who is obviously out of his depth, losing to a LEAGUE ONE TEAM!. WE WERE IN THE PREMIERSHIP LAST YEAR!!
We've seen very little investment this year in the first team (although I do agree with some of our signings)
We've seen fairly little ambition from the club
We've seen our style of play now....well, what what would you even describe it as.
If Deano really reads the board, the message should be clear.
TBH, I don't even mind if we lose, I just want to see our team have a proper go.
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Post by 28901 on Aug 14, 2019 4:13:52 GMT 1
I ve never called for a man to lose his job ever.
However for the good of the club I think they have to act.
Some of you on here with your nasty personal comments need to look at them selves. The guy isn't deliberately trying to lose.
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Post by 28901 on Aug 14, 2019 5:15:48 GMT 1
I'm in Mexico chips
why are you still up?
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