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Post by chinaski on Aug 17, 2019 8:18:19 GMT 1
Phil hasn’t had an easy start. Big shoes to fill replacing the most popular chairman we’ve ever had.
Did the right thing last night. It seems apparent that Phil didn’t wholly trust Jan to spend anything in the summer. You could argue if that’s the case then we should have parted ways preseason - but Jan probably deserved a shot at a few more competitive fixtures.
Hoyle hit the nut draw when the agent approached him and Webber with Wagner. Other than that I think we can all be in agreement his appointments on the whole were not the best.
Phil will not be judged on last season or the start of this. The next man will be Phil’s responsibility. I hope we don’t take the cheap option and appoint someone with real ambition and Phil matches it with transfer funds.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 17, 2019 8:36:28 GMT 1
Phil hasn’t had an easy start. Big shoes to fill replacing the most popular chairman we’ve ever had. Did the right thing last night. It seems apparent that Phil didn’t wholly trust Jan to spend anything in the summer. You could argue if that’s the case then we should have parted ways preseason - but Jan probably deserved a shot at a few more competitive fixtures. Hoyle hit the nut draw when the agent approached him and Webber with Wagner. Other than that I think we can all be in agreement his appointments on the whole were not the best. Phil will not be judged on last season or the start of this. The next man will be Phil’s responsibility. I hope we don’t take the cheap option and appoint someone with real ambition and Phil matches it with transfer funds. No we can't. Grayson was a great appointment. Just the right man at the right time to get us over the line and up out of L1. Robins steadied the decline under Grayson the next season and kept us up, Then moved us up the division the following season. Powell improved our league standing too after that. Each one needed to go when they did, but they weren't bad appointments. A bad appointment is someone who leaves you in a worse place than when he arrived. Even Clark didn;t manage that! |
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Post by runner76 on Aug 17, 2019 8:39:38 GMT 1
His appointments took us from tier 3 to the top of the Premier League. That’s pretty good IMO!!!
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Post by chinaski on Aug 17, 2019 8:40:10 GMT 1
Phil hasn’t had an easy start. Big shoes to fill replacing the most popular chairman we’ve ever had. Did the right thing last night. It seems apparent that Phil didn’t wholly trust Jan to spend anything in the summer. You could argue if that’s the case then we should have parted ways preseason - but Jan probably deserved a shot at a few more competitive fixtures. Hoyle hit the nut draw when the agent approached him and Webber with Wagner. Other than that I think we can all be in agreement his appointments on the whole were not the best. Phil will not be judged on last season or the start of this. The next man will be Phil’s responsibility. I hope we don’t take the cheap option and appoint someone with real ambition and Phil matches it with transfer funds. No we can't. Grayson was a great appointment. Just the right man at the right time to get us over the line and up out of L1. Robins steadied the decline under Grayson the next season and kept us up, Then moved us up the division the following season. Powell improved our league standing too after that. Each one needed to go when they did, but they weren't bad appointments. A bad appointment is someone who leaves you in a worse place than when he arrived. Even Clark didn;t manage that! I didn’t say they were bad appointments. Let’s not forget that Hoyle was throwing comparatively big money at getting us out of League One. When was the last time we had a manager poached off us for a better opportunity? |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Aug 17, 2019 8:40:54 GMT 1
Agree with the OP and this is a great opportunity for PH to impress the fans. Quite simply we need experience and I can’t see beyond Hughton for what’s out there. Pay him what he wants. It’s pales into insignificance versus the sums we have spent on some of these absolute wasters on the pitch
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 17, 2019 8:44:24 GMT 1
'Not the best' or 'bad'... kind of means the same thing doesn;t it?
Clark had big money in League 1, but Grayson, Robins and Powell certainly didn;t in the championship. They generally had us higher than our spending would have said we'd finish.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 8:45:46 GMT 1
Phil hasn’t had an easy start. Big shoes to fill replacing the most popular chairman we’ve ever had. Did the right thing last night. It seems apparent that Phil didn’t wholly trust Jan to spend anything in the summer. You could argue if that’s the case then we should have parted ways preseason - but Jan probably deserved a shot at a few more competitive fixtures. Hoyle hit the nut draw when the agent approached him and Webber with Wagner. Other than that I think we can all be in agreement his appointments on the whole were not the best. Phil will not be judged on last season or the start of this. The next man will be Phil’s responsibility. I hope we don’t take the cheap option and appoint someone with real ambition and Phil matches it with transfer funds. The next appointment will be another board decision, Dean Hoyle is a member of that board and his input will be noted. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 17, 2019 8:55:50 GMT 1
Next appointment will be a gamble, as they always are.
Wagner was a big gamble that paid off handsomely. Sievert was a ridiculous gamble that didn't.
If we're going english, we could do worse than the two brothers at Lincoln.
2 promotions in 3 years I believe and looking like they'll be right up there again to try and make it 3 in 4.
Plus an impressive cup run.
But theyd still be a big gamble.
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Post by shawsie on Aug 17, 2019 8:59:19 GMT 1
Phil hasn’t had an easy start. Big shoes to fill replacing the most popular chairman we’ve ever had. Did the right thing last night. It seems apparent that Phil didn’t wholly trust Jan to spend anything in the summer. You could argue if that’s the case then we should have parted ways preseason - but Jan probably deserved a shot at a few more competitive fixtures. Hoyle hit the nut draw when the agent approached him and Webber with Wagner. Other than that I think we can all be in agreement his appointments on the whole were not the best. Phil will not be judged on last season or the start of this. The next man will be Phil’s responsibility. I hope we don’t take the cheap option and appoint someone with real ambition and Phil matches it with transfer funds. No we can't. Grayson was a great appointment. Just the right man at the right time to get us over the line and up out of L1. Robins steadied the decline under Grayson the next season and kept us up, Then moved us up the division the following season. Powell improved our league standing too after that. Each one needed to go when they did, but they weren't bad appointments. A bad appointment is someone who leaves you in a worse place than when he arrived. Even Clark didn;t manage that! Grayson got lucky Capn..........we were poorer than under Clark for much of his time in league 1 but ultimately he got us up so job done I suppose. Let’s not pretend it was great though as we were top 6 all that season.......we fluked a shoot out after missing pens galore. The least said about robins and Powell the better for me.......the football was uninspiring, crowds were dropping, disinterest set in early with both and whilst they kept us up on small budgets relative to the division we are now back in, there was a similar flat feeling to what we have now. Not all their fault though - we just didn’t seem to have much ambition and things became stale. Wagner was an inspired choice - he got the club, the fans and gave us a no limits identity. Lost his way late on and prob right he went as things were regressing quickly, but Jan was a “hope lightning strikes twice” option for me. Take our time now on the new appointment and let’s take the opportunity to rebuild. If that means a complete overhaul then so be it......but we need a plan. The apparent lack of one badly cost Jan towards the end. The key question for me remains where do we want to go now and how are we going to ensure the PL financial legacy isn’t ruined...............it’s not easy though. Money rules football right now and is slowly but surely making it tougher year by year for clubs of mid sized stature like ours. |
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Post by royrace on Aug 17, 2019 9:02:48 GMT 1
'Not the best' or 'bad'... kind of means the same thing doesn;t it? Clark had big money in League 1, but Grayson, Robins and Powell certainly didn;t in the championship. They generally had us higher than our spending would have said we'd finish. Clark was his worst imo followed by Powell. Siewert obviously tops the lot now. Giving a rookie like Clark all that money was crazy imo although turned out ok in the end thanks to Grayson and a lot of luck. Typical successful business man, sometimes the gamble pays off like it did with Wagner. Hiring Siewert was just plain daft though, no hindsight needed. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by townrwe on Aug 17, 2019 9:07:12 GMT 1
Agree with the OP and this is a great opportunity for PH to impress the fans. Quite simply we need experience and I can’t see beyond Hughton for what’s out there. Pay him what he wants. It’s pales into insignificance versus the sums we have spent on some of these absolute wasters on the pitch Dour football. No better than powell just with better players. If we appoint houghton then season ticket sales will drop quicker than the pound after brexit. For me.... Arteta or someone know tonyje director of football. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Aug 17, 2019 9:10:58 GMT 1
Agree with the OP and this is a great opportunity for PH to impress the fans. Quite simply we need experience and I can’t see beyond Hughton for what’s out there. Pay him what he wants. It’s pales into insignificance versus the sums we have spent on some of these absolute wasters on the pitch Dour football. No better than powell just with better players. If we appoint houghton then season ticket sales will drop quicker than the pound after brexit. For me.... Arteta or someone know tonyje director of football. We’ve had dour football for the last year plus. I doubt it will get any dourer. You can’t Unsell season tickets Would also love Arteta but can’t see it being realistic. Hopefully I’m wrong |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 17, 2019 9:18:29 GMT 1
Agree with the OP and this is a great opportunity for PH to impress the fans. Quite simply we need experience and I can’t see beyond Hughton for what’s out there. Pay him what he wants. It’s pales into insignificance versus the sums we have spent on some of these absolute wasters on the pitch Dour football. No better than powell just with better players. If we appoint houghton then season ticket sales will drop quicker than the pound after brexit.For me.... Arteta or someone know tonyje director of football. They certainly won;t if we're winning and successful, which he usually is in this division. I don;t get the idea that Houghtons football is less exciting than Wagners was. Brighton weren't dull in the championship when they went up and scored a hell of a lot more goals than we did that season. They 'went' for it more than we did in the prem too. All Town fans care about is winning at the end of the day. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 17, 2019 9:19:30 GMT 1
Ray Houghton?
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Post by iangreaves on Aug 17, 2019 9:24:43 GMT 1
Dour football. No better than powell just with better players. If we appoint houghton then season ticket sales will drop quicker than the pound after brexit.For me.... Arteta or someone know tonyje director of football. They certainly won;t if we're winning and successful, which he usually is in this division. I don;t get the idea that Houghtons football is less exciting than Wagners was. Brighton weren't dull in the championship when they went up and scored a hell of a lot more goals than we did that season. They 'went' for it more than we did in the prem too. All Town fans care about is winning at the end of the day. I don’t get that, either. We were never a free scoring unit under Wagner and after the Spurs game at home during our first season up we were completely negative. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Aug 17, 2019 9:26:04 GMT 1
Can we get Arteta or Hughton though......
.....and if we do are there any signs PH will give them the funds they'd expect.
I think we probably still need to gamble a bit.
....but do it with someone with more of a track record,
Of the names being mentioned, the Cowleys and Campbell have both done well and are on the way up. Both might be capable of further progression.
PS Don't get me wrong Hughton a solid appointment, probably least likely to go completely wrong, just can't see him coming.
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Post by monkbar on Aug 17, 2019 9:31:48 GMT 1
Not sure I get why people think Arteta will be a success. Less experience in management than Siewert even.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 17, 2019 9:42:47 GMT 1
Next appointment will be a gamble, as they always are. Wagner was a big gamble that paid off handsomely. Sievert was a ridiculous gamble that didn't. If we're going english, we could do worse than the two brothers at Lincoln. 2 promotions in 3 years I believe and looking like they'll be right up there again to try and make it 3 in 4. Plus an impressive cup run. But theyd still be a big gamble. They did well pre Lincoln as well 2 promotions at concord in there first job Then went to braintree and got them to 3rd the conference but lost out to Grimsby in the play offs Depends on how big the ego issue is the dressing room though because the cowleys are probably the brightest lower league management prospects We certainly miss people like hef, Lowe and smith though oh that dcore |
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Post by specialun on Aug 17, 2019 9:43:52 GMT 1
Clean slate
3 statements
1. ‘Give him a chance he’s going to be a very good manager’ - reality: Sacked 1 month later
2. ‘we have to make sure if we are selling players we invest properly’ - £25m & Mooy out - Only fees paid for players league 2/ below
3. Pure business ‘very profitable / very successful’ - nobody has shown me any accounts to support this. Pure Legal Limited £5m turnover, >£3m loss.
He will get a clean slate from me if
1. He addresses fans with honesty not sound bites / says what he thinks they want to hear
2. His words are backed up by his actions
3. He doesn’t take a cheap easy option with the new manager
4. He invests some of the £25m+ in the squad in January - new DOF has a huge job to do
The start to the season is as expected and has been as clear as daylight since before pre season. The fact he - and to be fair the majority of the posters on here - were blinded to think we had a strong squad concerns me
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Post by specialun on Aug 17, 2019 9:48:30 GMT 1
Can we get Arteta or Hughton though...... .....and if we do are there any signs PH will give them the funds they'd expect. I think we probably still need to gamble a bit. ....but do it with someone with more of a track record, Of the names being mentioned, the Cowleys and Campbell have both done well and are on the way up. Both might be capable of further progression. PS Don't get me wrong Hughton a solid appointment, probably least likely to go completely wrong, just can't see him coming. Arteta?!?! Hughton?!?! What have people been smoking Let’s ask Mourinho as well Look at our transfer window.... does anyone seriously think Hodgkinson would 1. Not take the cheap option 2. Be able to attract people like this You need to look at the equivalents of Powell / Robins / Ritchie / Wandsworth |
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Post by terrier2019 on Aug 17, 2019 9:52:17 GMT 1
Clean slate 3 statements 1. ‘Give him a chance he’s going to be a very good manager’ - reality: Sacked 1 month later 2. ‘we have to make sure if we are selling players we invest properly’ - £25m & Mooy out - Only fees paid for players league 2/ below 3. Pure business ‘very profitable / very successful’ - nobody has shown me any accounts to support this. Pure Legal Limited £5m turnover, >£3m loss. He will get a clean slate from me if 1. He addresses fans with honesty not sound bites / says what he thinks they want to hear 2. His words are backed up by his actions 3. He doesn’t take a cheap easy option with the new manager 4. He invests some of the £25m+ in the squad in January - new DOF has a huge job to do The start to the season is as expected and has been as clear as daylight since before pre season. The fact he - and to be fair the majority of the posters on here - were blinded to think we had a strong squad concerns me i know such a strong squad thats why finished bottom of league and ended up being a laughing stock up and down country. |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 17, 2019 9:54:18 GMT 1
Dour football. No better than powell just with better players. If we appoint houghton then season ticket sales will drop quicker than the pound after brexit.For me.... Arteta or someone know tonyje director of football. They certainly won;t if we're winning and successful, which he usually is in this division. I don;t get the idea that Houghtons football is less exciting than Wagners was. Brighton weren't dull in the championship when they went up and scored a hell of a lot more goals than we did that season. They 'went' for it more than we did in the prem too. All Town fans care about is winning at the end of the day. Don't forget you're arguing with someone who thinks signing Fraizer Campbell was a bad idea and Kachunga's the answer to our goalscoring problems 🤣 |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 17, 2019 9:54:47 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 17, 2019 10:01:33 GMT 1
Why is Hodgkinson getting off Scott free here? He talked a load codswallop at that Q&A 3 PL loans coming in, never materialised, kissing Seiwerts arse dismisses him at the first opportunity, provides him with the smallest transfer kitty when the club has never been richer, sells best players with no suitable replacement. He better get this one bang on or he will be next.
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Post by willo on Aug 17, 2019 10:19:29 GMT 1
Can we get Arteta or Hughton though...... .....and if we do are there any signs PH will give them the funds they'd expect. I think we probably still need to gamble a bit. ....but do it with someone with more of a track record, Of the names being mentioned, the Cowleys and Campbell have both done well and are on the way up. Both might be capable of further progression. PS Don't get me wrong Hughton a solid appointment, probably least likely to go completely wrong, just can't see him coming. Hughton has had a very good record throughtout his fairly long managerial career & I would be delighted if we could get him, no compensation to pay either as he’s currently without a club (our board will love that!). Would be surprised if Arteta left a cushy number at Cites for us. A big fat NO to Sol Campbell, zero improvement on Sewert for me. |
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 17, 2019 10:24:32 GMT 1
Hughton all day long. He’s lived all over the country so don’t see location as an issue
The only thing is, is he holding out for another crack at the prem
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 10:25:24 GMT 1
Why is Hodgkinson getting off Scott free here? He talked a load codswallop at that Q&A 3 PL loans coming in, never materialised, kissing Seiwerts arse dismisses him at the first opportunity, provides him with the smallest transfer kitty when the club has never been richer, sells best players with no suitable replacement. He better get this one bang on or he will be next. Ahem! Chalobah, Grabara. Said they were working on loans. Hopefully bringing in three. "Two out of three ain't bad".  |
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Post by mickydombat on Aug 17, 2019 10:27:05 GMT 1
Surely Winter and Josh Marsh have to be sacked also? I definitely don't want Houghton he is soft and clueless, would be a disaster again. Our club has undone all the good work and everyone at the clib needs a massive meeting to sort out this mess or it will kill us
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Post by dugnet on Aug 17, 2019 10:29:06 GMT 1
Next appointment will be a gamble, as they always are. Wagner was a big gamble that paid off handsomely. Sievert was a ridiculous gamble that didn't. If we're going english, we could do worse than the two brothers at Lincoln. 2 promotions in 3 years I believe and looking like they'll be right up there again to try and make it 3 in 4. Plus an impressive cup run. But theyd still be a big gamble. They would be a gamble, as are most to a degree to be fair, look at how Nathan Jones is struggling at Stoke. |
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Post by dugnet on Aug 17, 2019 10:32:10 GMT 1
Surely Winter and Josh Marsh have to be sacked also? I definitely don't want Houghton he is soft and clueless, would be a disaster again. Our club has undone all the good work and everyone at the clib needs a massive meeting to sort out this mess or it will kill us Houghton clueless?? You give me an example where he has done a bad job? The comment about Winter has validity. Marsh I don't really know, he seems to have been pushed up to fill a gap. |
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