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Post by stevvy on Sept 15, 2019 14:41:20 GMT 1
We have no pace, and wingers are always miles back, rather than actually trying to run forward and give a forward pass or something they can run on to. No wonder teams play such a high defensive line against us, because they know we've got fuck all chance of outrunning them, so just try to catch us offside
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Post by evelyntent on Sept 15, 2019 14:48:40 GMT 1
Controversial.....Hogg is a problem. Slows us down, doesn't add ant value at all going forwards. Most of the others were shite though. I agree, his work rate seems to blind people to his short comings, he is slow and ponderous in possession and turns like a tanker, so is often caught out or ends up with no options other than back to the keeper. I think O'Brien is the natural replacement. |
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Post by sheps on Sept 15, 2019 14:49:14 GMT 1
The post-match interview with Danny Cowley was really interesting to listen too.
Admit it wasn't his preferred formation due to the injury to Pritchard so I have confidence in seeing better balance in the team going forward
Listening to him talk to how much he knew about where Grant played at Crawley really impressed me as well
The next few games will still be interesting to see exactly who starts.
As long as Flo doesn't start then I'm happier...
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Post by linson on Sept 15, 2019 14:52:05 GMT 1
I really thought O'Brien did well today
People forget he's young
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Post by worthington on Sept 15, 2019 14:53:22 GMT 1
Despite the gloom I think the Cowleys will sort things out. At the moment the players are terrified of making mistakes.
I know, it looks like they enjoy making mistakes.
But lack of confidence is energy sapping and so everyone is a bit stuck, not knowing what to do or where to move.
Put all these players in other teams and they won't be this bad.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 15, 2019 14:54:44 GMT 1
I really thought O'Brien did well today People forget he's young Best player some of others were shit ! |
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Post by ACW on Sept 15, 2019 14:57:47 GMT 1
The post-match interview with Danny Cowley was really interesting to listen too. Admit it wasn't his preferred formation due to the injury to Pritchard so I have confidence in seeing better balance in the team going forward Listening to him talk to how much he knew about where Grant played at Crawley really impressed me as wellThe next few games will still be interesting to see exactly who starts. As long as Flo doesn't start then I'm happier... I hope he realises the only place to play Grant is through the middle. His goal-scoring record is great, but his general play is not good enough to play anywhere but as an out and out striker. |
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Post by morrisraspass on Sept 15, 2019 14:58:13 GMT 1
I think there was an improvement of sorts. Better passing in the middle, more movement, more options, Campbell looking busy, Trevor was good, Kongolo decent coming forward. But the whole team is built on a frankly dire back line that wilts under the slightest pressure. What has happened to Schindler? He's listless. After three days I think you can see something. Massive job, but doable. I'm not quite sure you were trying to be funny there. But you were. Fully intended. Glad someone spotted it |
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 15, 2019 14:58:24 GMT 1
O’Brien should be a squad player. But is not Championship starting level. And nowhere near what we should be looking for to get us out of this crap. best man on the park for us couldn't believe he was subbed |
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Post by mallett on Sept 15, 2019 15:00:21 GMT 1
There is no room in the team for Flo I am afraid. Unfortunately he has proven time and time again that he is not a footballer good enough to be playing for our side. I would be perfectly happy to see either Bacuna or Bockhorn played there, or one of the youngsters like Duhaney as some others have mentioned.
Elphick needs to go. Have him in the squad to come in as a last resort in case of injuries but should be nowhere near the first team.
Schindler needs a solid partner to play with. I would bring Kongolo into CB as others have said and hopefully they will really work on the training ground at solidifying that partnership.
I have no qualms at all about playing Jaden Brown at left back.
I have nothing against Hogg but would prefer someone much more assured on the ball with a better tactical mind playing in the DM position. I would play Stankovic there.
With Stankovic holding this allows two creative/box to box midfielders to come into the side. One absolutely has to be Chalobah. If Bacuna is not playing right back I would 100% put him in the midfield as well. When he came on today he looked like our most creative player by far. If Bacuna is playing right back, then put in either O'Brien or Pritchard. Or one of the other youngsters like Reece Brown.
Grant is our best striker at the club, closely followed by Campbell (who played fantastically today). I think if we are not playing 4-4-2, then only one should be on the field because even though Grant was industrious on the left, he is on the whole wasted out there. Grant needs to be playing as the central striker.
In the wide areas, I have had enough of this rubbish with playing right footers on the left and visa versa. I would play Diakhaby on the left and Mbenza on the right. This way they can deliver balls into the box with their strong foot, and more importantly earlier and quicker than having to check back.
So if playing 4-3-3/4-2-3-1, my team would be:
Grabara
Bockhorn Schindler Kongolo Brown
Stankovic
Bacuna Chalobah
Mbenza Grant Diakhaby
If we played a 4-4-2 however I would play:
Grabara
Bacuna Schindler Kongolo Brown
Mbenza Chalobah Stankovic Diakhaby
Grant Campbell
I have seen nothing from Mounie to suggest he should be in any starting line up.
Lastly, I have nothing against Pritchard and there is no doubt he was fantastic for Norwich. However since he has been here he just hasn't done it/it hasn't happened for him. Therefore I don't think he is automatically selected if available. He has to earn a starting place through hard work in training just like everybody else.
Would be pleased to hear other opinions on this.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Sept 15, 2019 15:02:19 GMT 1
The squad is hopelessly unbalanced. Wingers that cannot cross, defenders that cannot defend, forwards that cannot get in the box and have no sense of anticipation, no creativity in midfield. We have to play players out of position (Kongolo, Grant) because of this imbalance and the utter ineptitude of the likes of Hadergjonaj, Diakhaby, Mbenza and Elphick. The likes of Koroma, Reece Brown, Bockhorn aren’t even getting a look in. Shocking squad. Good luck Danny and Nicky Cowley ...... you need it.
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Post by Terry Jacko on Sept 15, 2019 15:03:43 GMT 1
If the Cowleys can turn round that team then I can see them ending up at Real Madrid.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 15, 2019 15:05:42 GMT 1
Id play chalobah in the DM role. Then who in front? We have the exact same issue then. We just don't have any creativity. Pritchard, bacuna, O'Brien, one of the academy lads... What about koroma |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 15, 2019 15:06:07 GMT 1
There is no room in the team for Flo I am afraid. Unfortunately he has proven time and time again that he is not a footballer good enough to be playing for our side. I would be perfectly happy to see either Bacuna or Bockhorn played there, or one of the youngsters like Duhaney as some others have mentioned. Elphick needs to go. Have him in the squad to come in as a last resort in case of injuries but should be nowhere near the first team. Schindler needs a solid partner to play with. I would bring Kongolo into CB as others have said and hopefully they will really work on the training ground at solidifying that partnership. I have no qualms at all about playing Jaden Brown at left back. I have nothing against Hogg but would prefer someone much more assured on the ball with a better tactical mind playing in the DM position. I would play Stankovic there. With Stankovic holding this allows two creative/box to box midfielders to come into the side. One absolutely has to be Chalobah. If Bacuna is not playing right back I would 100% put him in the midfield as well. When he came on today he looked like our most creative player by far. If Bacuna is playing right back, then put in either O'Brien or Pritchard. Or one of the other youngsters like Reece Brown. Grant is our best striker at the club, closely followed by Campbell (who played fantastically today). I think if we are not playing 4-4-2, then only one should be on the field because even though Grant was industrious on the left, he is on the whole wasted out there. Grant needs to be playing as the central striker. In the wide areas, I have had enough of this rubbish with playing right footers on the left and visa versa. I would play Diakhaby on the left and Mbenza on the right. This way they can deliver balls into the box with their strong foot, and more importantly earlier and quicker than having to check back. So if playing 4-3-3/4-2-3-1, my team would be: Grabara Bockhorn Schindler Kongolo Brown Stankovic Bacuna Chalobah Mbenza Grant Diakhaby If we played a 4-4-2 however I would play: Grabara Bacuna Schindler Kongolo Brown Mbenza Chalobah Stankovic Diakhaby Grant Campbell I have seen nothing from Mounie to suggest he should be in any starting line up. Lastly, I have nothing against Pritchard and there is no doubt he was fantastic for Norwich. However since he has been here he just hasn't done it/it hasn't happened for him. Therefore I don't think he is automatically selected if available. He has to earn a starting place through hard work in training just like everybody else. Would be pleased to hear other opinions on this. I'd agree with most of that, however I'd give Mbenza & Diakhaby a ball of their own and tell them to piss off back to the training ground and make them stay there until they learn to do much than being able to run fast. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 15, 2019 15:07:22 GMT 1
I'm not quite sure you were trying to be funny there. But you were. Fully intended. Glad someone spotted it Upsets me when noone spots mine. Bloody loads for siewert that went unnoticed. |
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 15, 2019 15:08:21 GMT 1
There is no room in the team for Flo I am afraid. Unfortunately he has proven time and time again that he is not a footballer good enough to be playing for our side. I would be perfectly happy to see either Bacuna or Bockhorn played there, or one of the youngsters like Duhaney as some others have mentioned. Elphick needs to go. Have him in the squad to come in as a last resort in case of injuries but should be nowhere near the first team. Schindler needs a solid partner to play with. I would bring Kongolo into CB as others have said and hopefully they will really work on the training ground at solidifying that partnership. I have no qualms at all about playing Jaden Brown at left back. I have nothing against Hogg but would prefer someone much more assured on the ball with a better tactical mind playing in the DM position. I would play Stankovic there. With Stankovic holding this allows two creative/box to box midfielders to come into the side. One absolutely has to be Chalobah. If Bacuna is not playing right back I would 100% put him in the midfield as well. When he came on today he looked like our most creative player by far. If Bacuna is playing right back, then put in either O'Brien or Pritchard. Or one of the other youngsters like Reece Brown. Grant is our best striker at the club, closely followed by Campbell (who played fantastically today). I think if we are not playing 4-4-2, then only one should be on the field because even though Grant was industrious on the left, he is on the whole wasted out there. Grant needs to be playing as the central striker. In the wide areas, I have had enough of this rubbish with playing right footers on the left and visa versa. I would play Diakhaby on the left and Mbenza on the right. This way they can deliver balls into the box with their strong foot, and more importantly earlier and quicker than having to check back. So if playing 4-3-3/4-2-3-1, my team would be: Grabara Bockhorn Schindler Kongolo Brown Stankovic Bacuna Chalobah Mbenza Grant Diakhaby If we played a 4-4-2 however I would play: Grabara Bacuna Schindler Kongolo Brown Mbenza Chalobah Stankovic Diakhaby Grant Campbell I have seen nothing from Mounie to suggest he should be in any starting line up. Lastly, I have nothing against Pritchard and there is no doubt he was fantastic for Norwich. However since he has been here he just hasn't done it/it hasn't happened for him. Therefore I don't think he is automatically selected if available. He has to earn a starting place through hard work in training just like everybody else. Would be pleased to hear other opinions on this. can i ask what the chuff have you seen in Diakhaby and Mbenza to have either of them anywhere near the starting 11 it would be like playing with 9 men. The Bros have really got their work cut out. No idea where we go from here |
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 15, 2019 15:10:05 GMT 1
I think there was an improvement of sorts. Better passing in the middle, more movement, more options, Campbell looking busy, Trevor was good, Kongolo decent coming forward. But the whole team is built on a frankly dire back line that wilts under the slightest pressure. What has happened to Schindler? He's listless. After three days I think you can see something. Massive job, but doable. We’ve got problems in defence. Schindler is terrible at defending crosses into the box, always has been, he gets dominated by attackers again and again. Fletcher will have been rubbing his hands after the one he scored in the play offs against him. Elphick makes me really nervous, he seems to have a potentially disastrous mistake in him every game. I thought Kongolo had an iffy game by his standards too. |
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Post by digs on Sept 15, 2019 15:10:47 GMT 1
I really thought O'Brien did well today People forget he's young Grants young too but he's expected to score goals,Chalobah is only 20 and he looks like a seasoned pro,so O'Brien will need to get older as quick as possible,😁 |
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Post by dirtysteve on Sept 15, 2019 15:13:06 GMT 1
You can bring who you want to manage this squad, but unfortunately we don’t have the right players here and many are playing out of their natural position. How this has come about is disturbingly unprofessional and complicated baffling. The Cowley’s need to bring in their own back room staff and get rid of Hudson etc.... As results go I can’t see anything changing, hopefully I’m wrong but we’re too used to losing.
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Post by oldrain on Sept 15, 2019 15:17:08 GMT 1
Beaten again by another average side that play to their strengths proper centre forward defenders that get away with pulling and pushing we are too slow and soft
I hope the Cowleys stop us playing it across the back boring and predictable UTT
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Post by impact on Sept 15, 2019 15:19:21 GMT 1
Then who in front? We have the exact same issue then. We just don't have any creativity. Pritchard, bacuna, O'Brien, one of the academy lads... What about koroma Bacuna a shadow of what he was, O'brien isn't a creator, Koroma is a winger and Pritchard can't play in a 3 so it would be a different formation. |
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Post by capitalterrier on Sept 15, 2019 15:22:38 GMT 1
Think some need to take a chill pill with the negativity. So far it’s been a decent performance apart from one instance of poor defending. A couple of half chances are popping up, crowd is trying to encourage the lads on, all it’s going to take is one lucky moment to fall our way for the confidence to come. Get behind the lads! UTT! How many times did we look like we might threaten? I dont mean actually threaten, because that's an easy one to answer. Never mind shots on target, we don't even get into positions where it's even a possibility. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 15:36:02 GMT 1
I really thought O'Brien did well today People forget he's young o,brian did ok anda times we played some good football but cowley was correct in saying at times we moved the ball too slowly but they have a hard task ahead and Wednesday deserved the win but I'm confident that things will change I certainly don't think we were as poor as some on here thought but its all about opinions |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Sept 15, 2019 15:38:05 GMT 1
Think some need to take a chill pill with the negativity. So far it’s been a decent performance apart from one instance of poor defending. A couple of half chances are popping up, crowd is trying to encourage the lads on, all it’s going to take is one lucky moment to fall our way for the confidence to come. Get behind the lads! UTT! How many times did we look like we might threaten? I dont mean actually threaten, because that's an easy one to answer. Never mind shots on target, we don't even get into positions where it's even a possibility. We had a few chances today that with a bit more composure they could have been finished off. We had more shots on target than SW. We’ve been down in confidence in the final third ever since Wagner stopped coaching the final third. The thought that instinct would take over is just crazy and it’s coming home to roost big time. That combined with his change to risk adverse football after Spurs(H) first season PL has killed these players. I watched Mooy for Australia last week and he looked a different player. Was playing through balls, getting into good positions and god forbid actually scored. Hadn’t seen him do that for the Australian team for quite some time. |
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Post by mallett on Sept 15, 2019 15:38:22 GMT 1
There is no room in the team for Flo I am afraid. Unfortunately he has proven time and time again that he is not a footballer good enough to be playing for our side. I would be perfectly happy to see either Bacuna or Bockhorn played there, or one of the youngsters like Duhaney as some others have mentioned. Elphick needs to go. Have him in the squad to come in as a last resort in case of injuries but should be nowhere near the first team. Schindler needs a solid partner to play with. I would bring Kongolo into CB as others have said and hopefully they will really work on the training ground at solidifying that partnership. I have no qualms at all about playing Jaden Brown at left back. I have nothing against Hogg but would prefer someone much more assured on the ball with a better tactical mind playing in the DM position. I would play Stankovic there. With Stankovic holding this allows two creative/box to box midfielders to come into the side. One absolutely has to be Chalobah. If Bacuna is not playing right back I would 100% put him in the midfield as well. When he came on today he looked like our most creative player by far. If Bacuna is playing right back, then put in either O'Brien or Pritchard. Or one of the other youngsters like Reece Brown. Grant is our best striker at the club, closely followed by Campbell (who played fantastically today). I think if we are not playing 4-4-2, then only one should be on the field because even though Grant was industrious on the left, he is on the whole wasted out there. Grant needs to be playing as the central striker. In the wide areas, I have had enough of this rubbish with playing right footers on the left and visa versa. I would play Diakhaby on the left and Mbenza on the right. This way they can deliver balls into the box with their strong foot, and more importantly earlier and quicker than having to check back. So if playing 4-3-3/4-2-3-1, my team would be: Grabara Bockhorn Schindler Kongolo Brown Stankovic Bacuna Chalobah Mbenza Grant Diakhaby If we played a 4-4-2 however I would play: Grabara Bacuna Schindler Kongolo Brown Mbenza Chalobah Stankovic Diakhaby Grant Campbell I have seen nothing from Mounie to suggest he should be in any starting line up. Lastly, I have nothing against Pritchard and there is no doubt he was fantastic for Norwich. However since he has been here he just hasn't done it/it hasn't happened for him. Therefore I don't think he is automatically selected if available. He has to earn a starting place through hard work in training just like everybody else. Would be pleased to hear other opinions on this. can i ask what the chuff have you seen in Diakhaby and Mbenza to have either of them anywhere near the starting 11 it would be like playing with 9 men. The Bros have really got their work cut out. No idea where we go from here Sure thing. Diakhaby has lightning pace and has really quick feet. He has shown time and again that he can easily beat a man. I see him as someone who can be a very definite improvement over VLP and should become our go to man to receive the ball and drive with it up the pitch. I don't think playing on the right and cutting inside suits him at all seen as his is rather one-footed. Mbenza is really strong, also has quite decent pace and has shown in glimpses that he is capable of putting a quality delivery into the box, but can also finish well (look back at his goal Vs Manchester United). In combination with this our other wide options aren't great. Kachunga was fantastic in the promotion season, but since his injuries in the Premier League he has lost any pace he did have. He doesn't post much threat going forward. The one positive thing he brings is that he does do his fair share of defensive work. If we have any club youngsters that play wide I haven't seen them play and so can't comment. Therefore based on the above, this is why I would have those two as my starting wingers. The only alternative I can think of is that we forget wingers and move to to a 4-4-2 narrow diamond. Stankovic DM, Chalobah and Bacuna (if not at RB) CM, and then you could bring Pritchard in to his natural "no.10" position. What formation and personnel would you select? |
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Post by ACW on Sept 15, 2019 15:38:23 GMT 1
Pritchard, bacuna, O'Brien, one of the academy lads... What about koroma Bacuna a shadow of what he was, O'brien isn't a creator, Koroma is a winger and Pritchard can't play in a 3 so it would be a different formation. Bacuna gas been very poor this season, but he looked more like himself today. Really made an impact with his positive attitude/play. I think he's played himself into contention for a starting place next week. He has to find more consistency obviously, but that was an encouraging performance today. One of the few positives from another disappointing game. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 15:40:09 GMT 1
Same problems, though after the subs came on we looked a bit better, possibly just fresh legs. No real cutting edge near the box and undone by two good crosses and headers.
We knew this was not going to change overnight. They played to their limited strengths and our weaknesses. We are still an easy team to beat. Similar to the Reading game.
Good points. Chalobah is a decent player as is O'Brien. Hogg is fine in the position he plays and some of his longer passes were decent. Grant works hard but not sure about him out wide. Keeper looks decent, would like to see him vary the out ball more.
Bad points. Still not sure about Diakhaby. He is a yard in front legs wise but his thinking looks a yard behind. I would still like Kongolo at centre back. Campbell looks off the pace but may improve. Talking between players seems poor. Not sure who was at fault for the poor marking but someone needs to lead back there.
Onward and upward.
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Post by impact on Sept 15, 2019 15:40:31 GMT 1
Bacuna a shadow of what he was, O'brien isn't a creator, Koroma is a winger and Pritchard can't play in a 3 so it would be a different formation. Bacuna gas been very poor this season, but he looked more like himself today. Really made an impact with his positive attitude/play. I think he's played himself into contention for a starting place next week. He has to find more consistency obviously, but that was an encouraging performance today. One of the few positives from another disappointing game. His first 5 mins or so on the pitch, yes. But after that it was the same as he has been all year with some terrible passes and losing the ball on numerous occasions. I think he looked better because of how badly everyone around him was playing. |
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Post by ACW on Sept 15, 2019 15:44:43 GMT 1
Bacuna gas been very poor this season, but he looked more like himself today. Really made an impact with his positive attitude/play. I think he's played himself into contention for a starting place next week. He has to find more consistency obviously, but that was an encouraging performance today. One of the few positives from another disappointing game. His first 5 mins or so on the pitch, yes. But after that it was the same as he has been all year with some terrible passes and losing the ball on numerous occasions. I think he looked better because of how badly everyone around him was playing. I think that's harsh. I remember one really bad pass into central midfield, which was poor - although Grant never showed for him as he should. Other than that I thought Bacuna was positive and was constantly trying to drive us forward. Wish some of the others had played with a similar attitude. |
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 15, 2019 15:50:22 GMT 1
From Cowley’s post- match comments, he would prefer a 4-2-3-1 but Pritchard not fit. Add what he said about Grant, I guess he will be playing left of the 3 with Pritchard in the centre of the 3 behind the striker.
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