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Post by Mecha Corte on Sept 18, 2019 7:28:45 GMT 1
Someone seems to be shooting the messenger, but the message is still valid I agree, it might have come from a Town fan or a WUM but its facts* not made up guff, my mate saw such and such, so I really don't see the problem. Truth be told and I used to have a perverse sense of pride at school standing up for Town when they were incredibly shite in the 70's in Div.4 against all the Man Utd or Liverpool or Beeston supporting kids. Hopefully we've got to the bottom now and in a few years when we finally get to the San Siro we can wheedle out all the glory hunters by reminiscing about these bad old days. ( * assuming they are correct ? ) |
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Post by digs on Sept 18, 2019 8:41:50 GMT 1
Some people just won't be happy on Datm untill we win a game 🤣
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Post by runner76 on Sept 18, 2019 12:07:39 GMT 1
We are shit and we know we are.
But
We have achieved a football miracle that most can only dream of. Many of us have seen Town play in the bottom division, feared the club disappearing and never dreamed we would see us in the TOP FLIGHT of world football.
Nothing can change that.
Being shit? Easy.
Playing in and staying up in the PL? Not so easy.
We’ve done both.
UTT
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 18, 2019 12:40:30 GMT 1
We are shit and we know we are. But We have achieved a football miracle that most can only dream of. Many of us have seen Town play in the bottom division, feared the club disappearing and never dreamed we would see us in the TOP FLIGHT of world football. Nothing can change that. Being shit? Easy. Playing in and staying up in the PL? Not so easy. We’ve done both. UTT Amen to that....but we're still bloody dogshit. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Sept 18, 2019 12:44:49 GMT 1
We are shit and we know we are. But We have achieved a football miracle that most can only dream of. Many of us have seen Town play in the bottom division, feared the club disappearing and never dreamed we would see us in the TOP FLIGHT of world football. Nothing can change that. Being shit? Easy. Playing in and staying up in the PL? Not so easy. We’ve done both. UTT The biggest problem nowadays is it's no longer easy being shit. I agree it used to be, I'd never known anything any different as a Town fan, 2,500 fellow supporters in a stadium that once had over 67,000 for a cup tie, I've seen us fall to 91st out of the 92 league pyramid and lose league games to Workington, Barnet, Halifax, Aldershot, Stockport and many others. So having also seen us climb to the very top of the tree, 1st place in the PL, albeit briefly, and beat the likes of Man.United it becomes much more difficult to accept going back down the ladders. If Mick Buxton hadn't worked his magic in 79/80 and we had yo-yo'd between the 4th, the Confrence, maybe the 3rd now and again we would be a Colchester or Hartlepool now, ticking along with a couple of thousand season ticket holders, thrilled to sell a star player to The Championship for £3/4M because that would make us secure for a season and hoping to pull a big team out of the FA Cup draw for a day out and the financial rewards. If you've only ever stayed at a seaside B&B you don't know just how different it is in a 4 or 5 star hotel but when you have it's not easy to go back to the B&B because you've no money and no choice. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 18, 2019 12:51:19 GMT 1
Even in the 70s we scored now and again and won the odd game. This is the worst run in terms of goals and results in the history of the club, and one of the worst in professional football history.
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Post by rab030 on Sept 18, 2019 13:52:18 GMT 1
All those stats are largely irrelevant as they relate to last two years in the Premier League. It was hard and we weren't good enough - fair enough.
The worrying thing is that the stats for this season are even worse and we are in a division below......
That said we need to get behind the new manager and hope (and pray if that works for you) that they can make us better ?
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Post by ACW on Sept 18, 2019 13:59:03 GMT 1
I just hope I see Town win this calendar year. I missed the Wolves home game and haven't seen them win since we scraped past Fulham on 29th December last year.
I have confidence the Cowleys will turn things around, but with every passing winless game I fear I may go a whole year without seeing my team win.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 18, 2019 14:07:26 GMT 1
I just hope I see Town win this calendar year. I missed the Wolves home game and haven't seen them win since we scraped past Fulham on 29th December last year. I have confidence the Cowleys will turn things around, but with every passing winless game I fear I may go a whole year without seeing my team win. Sorry to break it to you but Fulham scraped past us on the 29th December |
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Post by rab030 on Sept 18, 2019 14:12:10 GMT 1
I just hope I see Town win this calendar year. I missed the Wolves home game and haven't seen them win since we scraped past Fulham on 29th December last year. I have confidence the Cowleys will turn things around, but with every passing winless game I fear I may go a whole year without seeing my team win. Sorry to break it to you but Fulham scraped past us on the 29th December We only just lost and we played better so it felt like a win |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 18, 2019 14:20:29 GMT 1
Sorry to break it to you but Fulham scraped past us on the 29th December We only just lost and we played better so it felt like a win Were you there? It was possibly the direst performance of the whole season |
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Post by rab030 on Sept 18, 2019 14:24:59 GMT 1
We only just lost and we played better so it felt like a win Were you there? It was possibly the direst performance of the whole season I was there........I was being ironic given our friend thought we had won. Also I'm struggling to think of many that were not dire last season with the exception of Wolves (twice) |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 18, 2019 14:27:13 GMT 1
Were you there? It was possibly the direst performance of the whole season I was there........I was being ironic given our friend thought we had won. Also I'm struggling to think of many that were not dire last season with the exception of Wolves (twice) Yeah but that was a particularly depressing away day. If we didn't know we were down before that game we certainly did after |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 18, 2019 14:53:39 GMT 1
Just 67 goals in our last 100 competitive games (not including extra-time).
City got that in 20 matches!!
Possibly the lowest total from 100 matches in the history of professional football
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Sept 18, 2019 15:09:41 GMT 1
I just hope I see Town win this calendar year. I missed the Wolves home game and haven't seen them win since we scraped past Fulham on 29th December last year. I have confidence the Cowleys will turn things around, but with every passing winless game I fear I may go a whole year without seeing my team win. We will win and soon. Keep the faith. |
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Post by conman on Sept 18, 2019 15:27:25 GMT 1
Sorry to break it to you but Fulham scraped past us on the 29th December We only just lost and we played better so it felt like a win Christ it's getting bad when an only just lost feels like a win. Maybe if the league awarded half a point for an only just lost we'd be out of the relegation zone, maybe not though.. |
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Post by ACW on Sept 18, 2019 15:27:52 GMT 1
I just hope I see Town win this calendar year. I missed the Wolves home game and haven't seen them win since we scraped past Fulham on 29th December last year. I have confidence the Cowleys will turn things around, but with every passing winless game I fear I may go a whole year without seeing my team win. Sorry to break it to you but Fulham scraped past us on the 29th December My mistake. We beat them at home in early November. Busy/understaffed at work and my mind is all over the place So, the last time I saw them win at all was away at Wolves (25th Nov), and the last time at home was on 5th Nov. So not far off a full year for both. And still no win in 2019 for me. |
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Post by rab030 on Sept 18, 2019 16:19:35 GMT 1
Sorry to break it to you but Fulham scraped past us on the 29th December My mistake. We beat them at home in early November. Busy/understaffed at work and my mind is all over the place So, the last time I saw them win at all was away at Wolves (25th Nov), and the last time at home was on 5th Nov. So not far off a full year for both. And still no win in 2019 for me. Don't panic - you haven't missed much if its just wins your are looking for ! |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Sept 18, 2019 18:37:18 GMT 1
Sorry to break it to you but Fulham scraped past us on the 29th December My mistake. We beat them at home in early November. Busy/understaffed at work and my mind is all over the place So, the last time I saw them win at all was away at Wolves (25th Nov), and the last time at home was on 5th Nov. So not far off a full year for both. And still no win in 2019 for me. You’re lucky. My last win was Watford at home in April 2018, seen 26 games since, and only 8 goals in that time, including 3 penalties. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 18, 2019 19:12:11 GMT 1
My mistake. We beat them at home in early November. Busy/understaffed at work and my mind is all over the place So, the last time I saw them win at all was away at Wolves (25th Nov), and the last time at home was on 5th Nov. So not far off a full year for both. And still no win in 2019 for me. You’re lucky. My last win was Watford at home in April 2018, seen 26 games since, and only 8 goals in that time, including 3 penalties. Sorry Epsom, my lad thinks you're lucky. He travelled to the Wattford game from Durham university but his train broke down on route. He eventually reached Leeds but too late to complete his journey. He's now at 31 games without a win all the way back to Bournemouth at home. 20 at home 11 away. Had some long trips in that period in holidays (Brighton, Spurs, QPR, Luton). |
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Post by ACW on Sept 18, 2019 20:09:54 GMT 1
My mistake. We beat them at home in early November. Busy/understaffed at work and my mind is all over the place So, the last time I saw them win at all was away at Wolves (25th Nov), and the last time at home was on 5th Nov. So not far off a full year for both. And still no win in 2019 for me. You’re lucky. My last win was Watford at home in April 2018, seen 26 games since, and only 8 goals in that time, including 3 penalties. This could become like a Town version of Monty Python's Four Yorkshireman sketch. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Sept 18, 2019 21:38:11 GMT 1
Sorry to break it to you but Fulham scraped past us on the 29th December My mistake. We beat them at home in early November. Busy/understaffed at work and my mind is all over the place So, the last time I saw them win at all was away at Wolves (25th Nov), and the last time at home was on 5th Nov. So not far off a full year for both. And still no win in 2019 for me. Last time I saw us win was Wolves away and last time at home was also early November...of 2017!! |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 18, 2019 22:36:13 GMT 1
We are shit and we know we are. But We have achieved a football miracle that most can only dream of. Many of us have seen Town play in the bottom division, feared the club disappearing and never dreamed we would see us in the TOP FLIGHT of world football. Nothing can change that. Being shit? Easy. Playing in and staying up in the PL? Not so easy. We’ve done both. UTT The biggest problem nowadays is it's no longer easy being shit. I agree it used to be, I'd never known anything any different as a Town fan, 2,500 fellow supporters in a stadium that once had over 67,000 for a cup tie, I've seen us fall to 91st out of the 92 league pyramid and lose league games to Workington, Barnet, Halifax, Aldershot, Stockport and many others. So having also seen us climb to the very top of the tree, 1st place in the PL, albeit briefly, and beat the likes of Man.United it becomes much more difficult to accept going back down the ladders. If Mick Buxton hadn't worked his magic in 79/80 and we had yo-yo'd between the 4th, the Confrence, maybe the 3rd now and again we would be a Colchester or Hartlepool now, ticking along with a couple of thousand season ticket holders, thrilled to sell a star player to The Championship for £3/4M because that would make us secure for a season and hoping to pull a big team out of the FA Cup draw for a day out and the financial rewards. If you've only ever stayed at a seaside B&B you don't know just how different it is in a 4 or 5 star hotel but when you have it's not easy to go back to the B&B because you've no money and no choice. Wasnt it 1800? I was there. I dont think we were ever 91st....90th i think  ? Not sure it was all about Buxton...been lots of "new dawns" down the years, cream rises eventually. We are not top level but also we were never a Stockport. Reversion to mean. I will always go....hey, i am almost 2 seasons without being at a win. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 18, 2019 23:02:40 GMT 1
Bolton got their 2nd point yesterday. A team that had 6 pros and were an hour from insolvency....a point more than a team that was in the Prem 7 matches ago.
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Post by 28901 on Sept 18, 2019 23:02:41 GMT 1
My mistake. We beat them at home in early November. Busy/understaffed at work and my mind is all over the place So, the last time I saw them win at all was away at Wolves (25th Nov), and the last time at home was on 5th Nov. So not far off a full year for both. And still no win in 2019 for me. You’re lucky. My last win was Watford at home in April 2018, seen 26 games since, and only 8 goals in that time, including 3 penalties. my mates too, and he left for the Vulcan on 88 minutes...😄😄 |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 18, 2019 23:04:57 GMT 1
Just 67 goals in our last 100 competitive games (not including extra-time). City got that in 20 matches!! Possibly the lowest total from 100 matches in the history of professional football The lack of goals and goal threat is possibly more worrying. The team goes hours without even creating a chance |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 18, 2019 23:32:16 GMT 1
Is this statistician a Leeds fan on a wind up?
Maybe he could calculate how many days its been since Leeds played a prem game?
I make it about 5600.
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Post by 28901 on Sept 18, 2019 23:59:37 GMT 1
The biggest problem nowadays is it's no longer easy being shit. I agree it used to be, I'd never known anything any different as a Town fan, 2,500 fellow supporters in a stadium that once had over 67,000 for a cup tie, I've seen us fall to 91st out of the 92 league pyramid and lose league games to Workington, Barnet, Halifax, Aldershot, Stockport and many others. So having also seen us climb to the very top of the tree, 1st place in the PL, albeit briefly, and beat the likes of Man.United it becomes much more difficult to accept going back down the ladders. If Mick Buxton hadn't worked his magic in 79/80 and we had yo-yo'd between the 4th, the Confrence, maybe the 3rd now and again we would be a Colchester or Hartlepool now, ticking along with a couple of thousand season ticket holders, thrilled to sell a star player to The Championship for £3/4M because that would make us secure for a season and hoping to pull a big team out of the FA Cup draw for a day out and the financial rewards. If you've only ever stayed at a seaside B&B you don't know just how different it is in a 4 or 5 star hotel but when you have it's not easy to go back to the B&B because you've no money and no choice. Wasnt it 1800? I was there. I dont think we were ever 91st....90th i think ? Not sure it was all about Buxton...been lots of "new dawns" down the years, cream rises eventually. We are not top level but also we were never a Stockport. Reversion to mean. I will always go....hey, i am almost 2 seasons without being at a win. we would never be associated with clubs of that ilk.They had never done anything, Town had 3 league championships to their name and back then there were still those around who could remember it. Clubs usually revert to somewhere round their level. Plus when Buxton transformed the club it was only 9 years since they had been in the top flight. Someone would have got them back one way or another. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Sept 19, 2019 6:52:45 GMT 1
The biggest problem nowadays is it's no longer easy being shit. I agree it used to be, I'd never known anything any different as a Town fan, 2,500 fellow supporters in a stadium that once had over 67,000 for a cup tie, I've seen us fall to 91st out of the 92 league pyramid and lose league games to Workington, Barnet, Halifax, Aldershot, Stockport and many others. So having also seen us climb to the very top of the tree, 1st place in the PL, albeit briefly, and beat the likes of Man.United it becomes much more difficult to accept going back down the ladders. If Mick Buxton hadn't worked his magic in 79/80 and we had yo-yo'd between the 4th, the Confrence, maybe the 3rd now and again we would be a Colchester or Hartlepool now, ticking along with a couple of thousand season ticket holders, thrilled to sell a star player to The Championship for £3/4M because that would make us secure for a season and hoping to pull a big team out of the FA Cup draw for a day out and the financial rewards. If you've only ever stayed at a seaside B&B you don't know just how different it is in a 4 or 5 star hotel but when you have it's not easy to go back to the B&B because you've no money and no choice. Wasnt it 1800? I was there. I dont think we were ever 91st....90th i think ? Not sure it was all about Buxton...been lots of "new dawns" down the years, cream rises eventually. We are not top level but also we were never a Stockport. Reversion to mean. I will always go....hey, i am almost 2 seasons without being at a win. Lucky for you that you didn't take my 100/1 challenge on regarding HTFC, we did indeed drop to 91st, after a midweek defeat away at Northampton, 3-1 in September 1977, it lead to Tom Johnston returning in place of John Haselden ( if memory serves it was also a bad night off the pitch for a fan we both know well whose trip there in a van had an "incident" ) With regard to the 1,800 lowest crowd, the exact number has been argued to death with MT and others in the past few weeks, I believe it was 1,680 vs Torquay but regardless my reference to 2,500 was the level of crowd that was becoming normal, for example our first game of the season at home to Crewe in 78/79 attracted under 2,900 - first game of the season ! As for not sure it was all about Buxton, surely it HAS to be, relegated 3 times in 4,seasons, one near miss for promotion the first year in the 4th and then mid table mediocrity finishing 9th, 11th and 9th before winning the title, with regards to never a Stockport, well my first season watching saw us a division below Halifax under Alan Ball snr, and I've seen Stockport not only give us a spanking, more than once, but been pre match favourites with the fans, bookies and media to do so, and there's been others just as bad ( with all due respect) As for reversion to mean in the heady days of the 1920's we did battle with Bury, Notts County, Grimsby and Oldham not just Arsenal, I'm sure they're eager to revert any time soon. Finally,to reiterate my initial post, those Town fans who were going through the mid 70's, knew we were shite, younger ones like myself who missed out on Ian Greaves had never known anything different so it wasn't that difficult, but now we've had an all too brief glimpse at what we can be and it's much more difficult to accept turning shite again. On to the Hawthorns, Danny Cowley's barmy army. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 19, 2019 8:33:30 GMT 1
Gonna be a great party when we do win.
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