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Post by space hardware on Jul 27, 2020 23:05:36 GMT 1
Depoitre was a beast at times in that first season, him ragging Harry Maguire around like a he was a skinny 17 year old was a particular highlight. He was a disgrace in the second season though, an overweight, lumbering camel. I'd be interested to know what happened to him in the summer of 2018. He was pushing to get into the Belgium World Cup squad. After the summer he had nothing to play for except town. So probably lost interest a bit. Good point. He was on the fringes at that point
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Post by ACW on Jul 27, 2020 23:47:54 GMT 1
Depoitre was a beast at times in that first season, him ragging Harry Maguire around like a he was a skinny 17 year old was a particular highlight. He was a disgrace in the second season though, an overweight, lumbering camel. I'd be interested to know what happened to him in the summer of 2018. Not forgetting the goal he scored against Chelsea when Caballero tried to take him out. Always wondered that myself. The contrast between 1st and 2nd season was huge, as you say. Depoitre Mark 1 was one of my favourite players of our first season in the Premier League. Depoitre Mark 2 was one of our worst players in our second season. The difference between the two - in terms of attitude, ability and fitness - was incredible.
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Post by specialun on Jul 28, 2020 9:39:23 GMT 1
Not forgetting the goal he scored against Chelsea when Caballero tried to take him out. Always wondered that myself. The contrast between 1st and 2nd season was huge, as you say. Depoitre Mark 1 was one of my favourite players of our first season in the Premier League. Depoitre Mark 2 was one of our worst players in our second season. The difference between the two - in terms of attitude, ability and fitness - was incredible. I’d go a bit further. Depoitre’s part one in the first half of the first season ... was a very different player to the second half of that season He only scored 1 goal after Christmas in the first season - it was quite an important goal to be fair!
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 28, 2020 20:38:49 GMT 1
Diakhaby is one of the worst "footballers" I've ever seen. Truly bloody awful, and I'd be amazed if we didn't try to offload him ASAP. Every player gets a clean slate, so in that sense he should be given a chance, but then what? If he's still shit, he's not worth having around. If he becomes decent, he can sign a pre-contract agreement in January with someone else & leave on a free. Same for Mbenza & Sobhi.
If CC decides to give them a shot they'll have my backing but I struggle to see the point in expending much effort on players that will almost certainly fail, and offer little reward even for success.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 21:30:02 GMT 1
Diakhaby is one of the worst "footballers" I've ever seen. Truly bloody awful, and I'd be amazed if we didn't try to offload him ASAP. Every player gets a clean slate, so in that sense he should be given a chance, but then what? If he's still shit, he's not worth having around. If he becomes decent, he can sign a pre-contract agreement in January with someone else & leave on a free. Same for Mbenza & Sobhi. If CC decides to give them a shot they'll have my backing but I struggle to see the point in expending much effort on players that will almost certainly fail, and offer little reward even for success. Agree, wipe the slate clean, but I can't see Diakhaby getting past the pre-season friendlies
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Post by Macjinx on Jul 28, 2020 21:48:13 GMT 1
Am sorry but hes just not very good. Forest fans think hes hopeless.......and they were a top 6 side most of the season so the "hes playing in a poor team here" guff doesnt wash. Get shut as soon as we can.....and please do the same with mbenza, sobhi, flo, hamer, pritchard et al if we can. I agree with most of your list but what has Al done to upset you?
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 28, 2020 22:05:59 GMT 1
Diakhaby is one of the worst "footballers" I've ever seen. Truly bloody awful, and I'd be amazed if we didn't try to offload him ASAP. Every player gets a clean slate, so in that sense he should be given a chance, but then what? If he's still shit, he's not worth having around. If he becomes decent, he can sign a pre-contract agreement in January with someone else & leave on a free. Same for Mbenza & Sobhi. If CC decides to give them a shot they'll have my backing but I struggle to see the point in expending much effort on players that will almost certainly fail, and offer little reward even for success. Agree, wipe the slate clean, but I can't see Diakhaby getting past the pre-season friendlies It may depend one whether the tactics suit his game and the players around him. He has showed some good awareness when playing in others, which isn’t something you can say about some of his teammates. I would love Carlos to be able to change our losers into winners, but I think he will have to be something pretty special to do that.
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Post by bigtruck on Jul 28, 2020 22:29:09 GMT 1
Diakhaby is a professional footballer that whilst at Forest received a pass 10 yards inside opponents half and his 2nd touch put it out for a goal kick. 🤦🏻♂️ He’s shite. Not because he’s young, not because he’s low on confidence, not because the system doesn’t suit him and not because none of the 4/5 managers can’t get a tune out of him. It’s just because he’s shite.
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Post by shawsie on Jul 28, 2020 22:34:05 GMT 1
Diakhaby is a professional footballer that whilst at Forest received a pass 10 yards inside opponents half and his 2nd touch put it out for a goal kick. 🤦🏻♂️ He’s shite. Not because he’s young, not because he’s low on confidence, not because the system doesn’t suit him and not because none of the 4/5 managers can’t get a tune out of him. It’s just because he’s shite. Sssshhhhhh - Some on here thought him and Isaac would rip it up in the championship. You’re spot on though.
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Post by specialun on Jul 28, 2020 23:14:54 GMT 1
Diakhaby is a professional footballer that whilst at Forest received a pass 10 yards inside opponents half and his 2nd touch put it out for a goal kick. 🤦🏻♂️ He’s shite. Not because he’s young, not because he’s low on confidence, not because the system doesn’t suit him and not because none of the 4/5 managers can’t get a tune out of him. It’s just because he’s shite. Sssshhhhhh - Some on here thought him and Isaac would rip it up in the championship. You’re spot on though. You’re being kind - more than some!
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Post by lochnessterrier on Jul 29, 2020 10:57:11 GMT 1
It puzzles me what either of them have ever done to justify their ridiculous transfer fees, not to mention wages. We've signed some club legends in the past for a fraction of what we paid for these clowns. Who on earth recommended them?
Get rid, take the hit but just get them out of our club.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 29, 2020 11:03:50 GMT 1
Diakhaby is a professional footballer that whilst at Forest received a pass 10 yards inside opponents half and his 2nd touch put it out for a goal kick. 🤦🏻♂️ He’s shite. Not because he’s young, not because he’s low on confidence, not because the system doesn’t suit him and not because none of the 4/5 managers can’t get a tune out of him. It’s just because he’s shite. Sssshhhhhh - Some on here thought him and Isaac would rip it up in the championship. You’re spot on though. I was one who thought they might. I saw flashes from Mbenza that suggested with a run in the side and some confidence he could be an asset. Same with Diakhaby. Flashes only, but enough to suggest in a division lower, against weaker defences etc. they could ne a frightening prospect for the opposition of playing on each wing and flying. Whilst I'll lose no sleep if they never play for us again, I advocate a clean slate for them both too - what's the alternative?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 11:07:05 GMT 1
In a case for the defence of Diakhaby he was having a good spell under the Cowley's initially, but was bombed out after a defensive shitshow against Bristol.
Personally think it's an error on the Cowley's part that they were expecting a player like Diakhaby to defend at all in the first place. Play him as what he is. An attacker.
If we intend to play an attacking 4-3-3 where he doesn't have to worry about tracking back then there's still potential there, even if it's as second choice.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 29, 2020 12:00:15 GMT 1
In a case for the defence of Diakhaby he was having a good spell under the Cowley's initially, but was bombed out after a defensive shitshow against Bristol. Personally think it's an error on the Cowley's part that they were expecting a player like Diakhaby to defend at all in the first place. Play him as what he is. An attacker. If we intend to play an attacking 4-3-3 where he doesn't have to worry about tracking back then there's still potential there, even if it's as second choice. With his pace he should be the obvious out ball to relieve the pressure on the defence. Knock it down the channels and let him tear after it, turn defence into attack - and at times he looked capable of doing this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 12:15:49 GMT 1
Agree, wipe the slate clean, but I can't see Diakhaby getting past the pre-season friendlies It may depend one whether the tactics suit his game and the players around him. He has showed some good awareness when playing in others, which isn’t something you can say about some of his teammates. I would love Carlos to be able to change our losers into winners, but I think he will have to be something pretty special to do that. carlos could well get the best out of him with the right system but they will have to show the right mental attitude to want it themselves both him and bmennza have the pace but i agree we cannot be carrying passengers in what will be a very hard championship but lets see.
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Post by Bigcolquaner on Jul 29, 2020 13:24:19 GMT 1
It's not about systems or tactics or confidence. It's about him being an awful footballer. Clubs will be willing to take a gamble on him because he's fast, if he can be coached to kick a ball in a straight line he'll do a job for someone out there. Unfortunately it's been proven he can't.
What have we got to lose? A load of money paying the useless Dick week in week out, that's what we've got to lose. The sooner he moves onto the next set of mugs who watch his YouTube compilation the better.
The Diakhaby apologists are right up there with the Lolley loyalists.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 14:33:10 GMT 1
Sssshhhhhh - Some on here thought him and Isaac would rip it up in the championship. You’re spot on though. I was one who thought they might. I saw flashes from Mbenza that suggested with a run in the side and some confidence he could be an asset. Same with Diakhaby. Flashes only, but enough to suggest in a division lower, against weaker defences etc. they could ne a frightening prospect for the opposition of playing on each wing and flying. Whilst I'll lose no sleep if they never play for us again, I advocate a clean slate for them both too - what's the alternative? ESPECIALLY as CC has already confirmed he wants to move away from the 4-2-3-1 and play 4-3-3. In the 4-2-3-1 there's much more reliance on the wide Grant & Kachunga type players to get back and help fill the holes that having a narrower middle third creates. Play 4-3-3 and if Diakhaby has a 5 second mope around when his attacking play breaks down, its not quite so much of a big deal if there's a full bank of 3 behind before hitting that back 4. If we really do play that way, with a narrower vertical having just a 3 as opposed to a 2-3 - it does mean we're likely to be more susceptible to fast counter attacks - and I guess thats ties in with the comment about "we'll go front foot, but we'll probably concede goals as a result but don't really worry too much about that". Of course, no manager has ever been appointed and declared he's going to preside over a dour defensively sound 4-1-3-1-1 (which is what we often morphed into in real terms with Hogg dropping deep and leaving O Brien to be the midfield with Grant, & Kachunga - or arguably 4-1-4-1 when ESR also found himself unable to contribute going forwards), which becomes more like 5-4-1 when under pressure - they all sell a good story!! The words mean nothing, lets see what he can do over the next few months with what tools he's given.
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Post by specialun on Jul 29, 2020 14:53:29 GMT 1
I was one who thought they might. I saw flashes from Mbenza that suggested with a run in the side and some confidence he could be an asset. Same with Diakhaby. Flashes only, but enough to suggest in a division lower, against weaker defences etc. they could ne a frightening prospect for the opposition of playing on each wing and flying. Whilst I'll lose no sleep if they never play for us again, I advocate a clean slate for them both too - what's the alternative? ESPECIALLY as CC has already confirmed he wants to move away from the 4-2-3-1 and play 4-3-3. In the 4-2-3-1 there's much more reliance on the wide Grant & Kachunga type players to get back and help fill the holes that having a narrower middle third creates. Play 4-3-3 and if Diakhaby has a 5 second mope around when his attacking play breaks down, its not quite so much of a big deal if there's a full bank of 3 behind before hitting that back 4. If we really do play that way, with a narrower vertical having just a 3 as opposed to a 2-3 - it does mean we're likely to be more susceptible to fast counter attacks - and I guess thats ties in with the comment about "we'll go front foot, but we'll probably concede goals as a result but don't really worry too much about that". Of course, no manager has ever been appointed and declared he's going to preside over a dour defensively sound 4-1-3-1-1 (which is what we often morphed into in real terms with Hogg dropping deep and leaving O Brien to be the midfield with Grant, & Kachunga - or arguably 4-1-4-1 when ESR also found himself unable to contribute going forwards), which becomes more like 5-4-1 when under pressure - they all sell a good story!! The words mean nothing, lets see what he can do over the next few months with what tools he's given. Siewert also advocated 433. As did Mick Wadsworth? It’s all about what actually happens on the pitch! But the last point you make is key - “The words mean nothing, lets see what he can do over the next few months with what tools he's given”
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Post by crux on Jul 29, 2020 15:19:25 GMT 1
ESPECIALLY as CC has already confirmed he wants to move away from the 4-2-3-1 and play 4-3-3. In the 4-2-3-1 there's much more reliance on the wide Grant & Kachunga type players to get back and help fill the holes that having a narrower middle third creates. Play 4-3-3 and if Diakhaby has a 5 second mope around when his attacking play breaks down, its not quite so much of a big deal if there's a full bank of 3 behind before hitting that back 4. If we really do play that way, with a narrower vertical having just a 3 as opposed to a 2-3 - it does mean we're likely to be more susceptible to fast counter attacks - and I guess thats ties in with the comment about "we'll go front foot, but we'll probably concede goals as a result but don't really worry too much about that". Of course, no manager has ever been appointed and declared he's going to preside over a dour defensively sound 4-1-3-1-1 (which is what we often morphed into in real terms with Hogg dropping deep and leaving O Brien to be the midfield with Grant, & Kachunga - or arguably 4-1-4-1 when ESR also found himself unable to contribute going forwards), which becomes more like 5-4-1 when under pressure - they all sell a good story!! The words mean nothing, lets see what he can do over the next few months with what tools he's given. Siewert also advocated 433. As did Mick Wadsworth? It’s all about what actually happens on the pitch! But the last point you make is key - “The words mean nothing, lets see what he can do over the next few months with what tools he's given” Especially as we seemed to buy some 'right tools', who turned out to be the wrong tools in the last few seasons
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Post by benhomly on Jul 29, 2020 16:20:24 GMT 1
In a case for the defence of Diakhaby he was having a good spell under the Cowley's initially, but was bombed out after a defensive shitshow against Bristol. Personally think it's an error on the Cowley's part that they were expecting a player like Diakhaby to defend at all in the first place. Play him as what he is. An attacker. If we intend to play an attacking 4-3-3 where he doesn't have to worry about tracking back then there's still potential there, even if it's as second choice. With his pace he should be the obvious out ball to relieve the pressure on the defence. Knock it down the channels and let him tear after it, turn defence into attack - and at times he looked capable of doing this. He did that in the clip we've all seen from the Forest Fulham (?) game. The problem was he knocked it down the channel that fast that not even Usain Bolt would have caught it
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Post by terrierbite on Jul 29, 2020 16:29:41 GMT 1
It's not about systems or tactics or confidence. It's about him being an awful footballer. Clubs will be willing to take a gamble on him because he's fast, if he can be coached to kick a ball in a straight line he'll do a job for someone out there. Unfortunately it's been proven he can't. What have we got to lose? A load of money paying the useless Dick week in week out, that's what we've got to lose. The sooner he moves onto the next set of mugs who watch his YouTube compilation the better. The Diakhaby apologists are right up there with the Lolley loyalists. Think you have got it wrong with the Lolley loyalists ,the ones loyal to Joe were right ,maybe he wasn't going to tear up the premier league but he would have been more than good enough for the championship ,remember before his injury he was first name down on Wagner's team list ,he was then moved onto Forest for a paltry sum (with a good sell on clause though) and has got player of season and come second in the next one ,this guy was no mug and showed at the time the absolute lack of football knowledge we had when it came to transfers out or in .
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jul 29, 2020 17:28:23 GMT 1
Not forgetting the goal he scored against Chelsea when Caballero tried to take him out. Always wondered that myself. The contrast between 1st and 2nd season was huge, as you say. Depoitre Mark 1 was one of my favourite players of our first season in the Premier League. Depoitre Mark 2 was one of our worst players in our second season. The difference between the two - in terms of attitude, ability and fitness - was incredible. I blame his girl friend for draining his strength Have you seen her.......... hmmmmm
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 19:52:41 GMT 1
It's not about systems or tactics or confidence. It's about him being an awful footballer. Clubs will be willing to take a gamble on him because he's fast, if he can be coached to kick a ball in a straight line he'll do a job for someone out there. Unfortunately it's been proven he can't. What have we got to lose? A load of money paying the useless Dick week in week out, that's what we've got to lose. The sooner he moves onto the next set of mugs who watch his YouTube compilation the better. The Diakhaby apologists are right up there with the Lolley loyalists. Think you have got it wrong with the Lolley loyalists ,the ones loyal to Joe were right ,maybe he wasn't going to tear up the premier league but he would have been more than good enough for the championship ,remember before his injury he was first name down on Wagner's team list ,he was then moved onto Forest for a paltry sum (with a good sell on clause though) and has got player of season and come second in the next one ,this guy was no mug and showed at the time the absolute lack of football knowledge we had when it came to transfers out or in .
Aye, Both Lolley and Heff should have been loaned not flogged.
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Post by York Terrier on Jul 29, 2020 20:18:58 GMT 1
In a case for the defence of Diakhaby he was having a good spell under the Cowley's initially, but was bombed out after a defensive shitshow against Bristol. Personally think it's an error on the Cowley's part that they were expecting a player like Diakhaby to defend at all in the first place. Play him as what he is. An attacker. If we intend to play an attacking 4-3-3 where he doesn't have to worry about tracking back then there's still potential there, even if it's as second choice. I agree you need to play to players strengths and playing the ball for him to run onto is the way to use him and he will turn defence into attack when we are under pressure.I saw most of his games last season and thought there was a player inside him at QPR but let’s wait and see as I think he is our player until his contract expires so the new management team will have to work with him.
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Post by rphyorks on Jul 30, 2020 1:34:09 GMT 1
Depoitre Mark 1 was one of my favourite players of our first season in the Premier League. Depoitre Mark 2 was one of our worst players in our second season. The difference between the two - in terms of attitude, ability and fitness - was incredible. I blame his girl friend for draining his strength Have you seen her.......... hmmmmm Lauren Depoitres GF?....awesome Belly Tatt...
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 30, 2020 10:17:25 GMT 1
I blame his girl friend for draining his strength Have you seen her.......... hmmmmm Lauren Depoitres GF?....awesome Belly Tatt... View AttachmentIs that not the lass who binned him after Spearmint rhino/Stringfellows/China Whites or whatever flesh market the lads ended up with after Chelsea away in the survival season? Wasn't he seen riding off into the night on a rickshaw with a bit of strumpet?
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Post by blanquiazules on Jul 30, 2020 10:42:46 GMT 1
Diakhaby is a weird one. Obviously a colossal waste of money at the price we paid but there are moments where his pace scares the sh!t out of opposition defenders in a way that no other player we have had for ages does. He’s a red card waiting to happen for championship defenders.
How can his touch be so bad at times? Is it concentration? He can’t be literally that bad when he’s a professional footballer who has played in France’s top division surely.
On the other hand, I always thought John Thorrington was going to come good so there is a theme.
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Post by tobbyg on Jul 30, 2020 11:33:12 GMT 1
Is that not the lass who binned him after Spearmint rhino/Stringfellows/China Whites or whatever flesh market the lads ended up with after Chelsea away in the survival season? Wasn't he seen riding off into the night on a rickshaw with a bit of strumpet? I think it was actually his mrs he was riding off with if I remember correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 13:00:38 GMT 1
Am sorry but hes just not very good. Forest fans think hes hopeless.......and they were a top 6 side most of the season so the "hes playing in a poor team here" guff doesnt wash. Get shut as soon as we can.....and please do the same with mbenza, sobhi, flo, hamer, pritchard et al if we can. I agree with most of your list but what has Al done to upset you? Held us to ransom when Inter Alia came sniffing
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Post by deo1 on Jul 30, 2020 21:50:31 GMT 1
I can’t wait to get Diakhaby back with his mazy runs, electric speed and match winning ability 😀😀
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