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Post by iangreaves on Aug 1, 2020 9:26:45 GMT 1
Is that the same Wigan Athletic who have always been a well run club who managed their finances well and just happened to have some catastropic non predictable event recently to mean they had to reluctantly go into Administration. The very same.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 9:44:01 GMT 1
Is that the same Wigan Athletic who have always been a well run club who managed their finances well and just happened to have some catastropic non predictable event recently to mean they had to reluctantly go into Administration. The very same. for me the bottom line is Wednesdays 12 points shoud have been deducted tnow. wigan whatever happened have to be relegated. Charlton have every right to be angry and so will Barnsley if wigan are not relegated.integrity is in a bad place regarding the EFL and how ever long the delay Barnsley and Charlton should take it as far as possible if that is the case
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 9:49:46 GMT 1
No guarantee at all that they'll finish below us. 12 points means they only need to win 4 games more than us to get level with us. Hardly the biggest task Why be so negative? Anyway that’s not true. We would need to lose the 4 games that they win. Bottom line is they need to get 12 points more than us. And despite us being utterly shite this season they didn't manage that feat, only finishing 5 points ahead of us. We aren't going to be as bad next season surely? Surely. Please.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 1, 2020 9:53:57 GMT 1
If by some chance any challenges (not appeals) get upheld, it'll be much further down the line and it'll be financial compensation.
The EFL will be thankful that it's compensation between 2 of their divisions and not at the top end of the Championship and the PL.
Imagine what sort of compensation the Blades would receive now, if the Tevez thing had played out in the current moneyed era?
Football loses its shine a little more every year. Probably an age thing, but also driven by shenanigans like this & other cases where there's such flagrant disregard for the rules...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 9:58:59 GMT 1
The current season has not actually finished so how on earth can you deduct points from next season and not this. The only thing I can think of is that Wednesday have said (quietly) that if the points are deducted this season and they are relegated they will appeal and it all rumbles on after the next season starts The "Normal Playing Season" has finished. If a club went into admin now, then the punishment would apply next season. Same with this one...the independent panel has only just made its final judgement, the EFL can't be rolling back time and punishing them for the season just completed...they apply the rules. No quiet words involved!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 10:00:29 GMT 1
Is that the same Wigan Athletic who have always been a well run club who managed their finances well and just happened to have some catastropic non predictable event recently to mean they had to reluctantly go into Administration. Which catastrophic non predictable event occurred since their ownership last changed?
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Post by softboy on Aug 1, 2020 10:09:51 GMT 1
Roadworks on the Wigan ring road which meant they had to close the club shop for a week with the subsequent lack of income. Actually thinking it through the EFL would probably buy that one. As for a legal challenge by Charlton regarding Wednesday not getting the points deduction this season - is that the same Charlton that were bought in January (6 months ago) and have still not provided the appropriate evidence to the EFL to allow the takeover to be completed satisfactory. Or the same Charlton where the owners who took over in January have sold their company to another company who now run Charlton!
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Aug 1, 2020 10:32:59 GMT 1
Roadworks on the Wigan ring road which meant they had to close the club shop for a week with the subsequent lack of income. Actually thinking it through the EFL would probably buy that one. As for a legal challenge by Charlton regarding Wednesday not getting the points deduction this season - is that the same Charlton that were bought in January (6 months ago) and have still not provided the appropriate evidence to the EFL to allow the takeover to be completed satisfactory. Or the same Charlton where the owners who took over in January have sold their company to another company who now run Charlton! Indeed, the same Charlton that might yet be subject to a points deduction themselves.
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Post by crux on Aug 1, 2020 10:33:47 GMT 1
Roadworks on the Wigan ring road which meant they had to close the club shop for a week with the subsequent lack of income. Actually thinking it through the EFL would probably buy that one. As for a legal challenge by Charlton regarding Wednesday not getting the points deduction this season - is that the same Charlton that were bought in January (6 months ago) and have still not provided the appropriate evidence to the EFL to allow the takeover to be completed satisfactory. Or the same Charlton where the owners who took over in January have sold their company to another company who now run Charlton! Charlton can't really push it at all. As they've not provided the appropriate evidence they are in danger of being thrown out of the league completely. They are going the same way as Bury. As for Wigan, they spent £18m in wages which is a ridiculous amount based in their income and unsustainable . They deserve everything they get.
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Post by softboy on Aug 1, 2020 14:04:37 GMT 1
I think Barnsley should be relegated as they appear to have done nothing wrong, completely against what the EFL are looking for.
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Post by ACW on Aug 1, 2020 14:21:17 GMT 1
I think Barnsley should be relegated as they appear to have done nothing wrong, completely against what the EFL are looking for. I know. Playing by the rules. What were they thinking?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 1, 2020 19:55:06 GMT 1
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Post by softboy on Aug 1, 2020 20:41:21 GMT 1
If Wednesday had been 15 points plus above the relegation zone at the time of lockdown they would have taken their punishment this season, stayed up, the world would have moved on. The EFL waited, waited and waited as long as they could but Wednesday simply did not deliver. Hence why they are deducting the points next season.You cannot relegate a club just because they have done everything they can to bend/twist the rules. Nor can you deduct 12 points (Wigan) just because that is the penalty for going into Administration. The whole situation in the EFL stinks and while I sound cynical it is because I am.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 22:21:12 GMT 1
If Wednesday had been 15 points plus above the relegation zone at the time of lockdown they would have taken their punishment this season, stayed up, the world would have moved on. The EFL waited, waited and waited as long as they could but Wednesday simply did not deliver. Hence why they are deducting the points next season.You cannot relegate a club just because they have done everything they can to bend/twist the rules. Nor can you deduct 12 points (Wigan) just because that is the penalty for going into Administration. The whole situation in the EFL stinks and while I sound cynical it is because I am. It doesn’t stink though. The EFL found them guilty in November 2019. It was the INDEPENDENT disciplinary committee that drove the timeline of Wednesdays appeal, their hearing in June, and the subsequent deliberation before deciding the punishment, The EFL would have happily meted out a punishment in November or December if they’d been able. I don’t get your point about Wigan...surely the specific reason you CAN deduct 12 points from Wigan is because that is the penalty??
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Post by Leporid on Aug 1, 2020 22:24:59 GMT 1
The intricacies and details are crucial in these matters. What we feel isn't important, even if Wednesday et al have been as slippery and devious as hell.
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Post by Leporid on Aug 1, 2020 22:25:52 GMT 1
If Wednesday had been 15 points plus above the relegation zone at the time of lockdown they would have taken their punishment this season, stayed up, the world would have moved on. The EFL waited, waited and waited as long as they could but Wednesday simply did not deliver. Hence why they are deducting the points next season.You cannot relegate a club just because they have done everything they can to bend/twist the rules. Nor can you deduct 12 points (Wigan) just because that is the penalty for going into Administration. The whole situation in the EFL stinks and while I sound cynical it is because I am. It doesn’t stink though. The EFL found them guilty in November 2019. It was the INDEPENDENT disciplinary committee that drove the timeline of Wednesdays appeal, their hearing in June, and the subsequent deliberation before deciding the punishment, The EFL would have happily meted out a punishment in November or December if they’d been able. I don’t get your point about Wigan...surely the specific reason you CAN deduct 12 points from Wigan is because that is the penalty?? Quite so.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 1, 2020 22:27:53 GMT 1
The intricacies and details are crucial in these matters. What we feel isn't important, even if Wednesday et al have been as slippery and devious as hell. I'm a football fan. What I feel is important. Wednesday inquiry has gone on just long enough to spare them the drop. It's outrageous imo
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Post by softboy on Aug 2, 2020 9:33:56 GMT 1
If Wednesday had been 15 points plus above the relegation zone at the time of lockdown they would have taken their punishment this season, stayed up, the world would have moved on. The EFL waited, waited and waited as long as they could but Wednesday simply did not deliver. Hence why they are deducting the points next season.You cannot relegate a club just because they have done everything they can to bend/twist the rules. Nor can you deduct 12 points (Wigan) just because that is the penalty for going into Administration. The whole situation in the EFL stinks and while I sound cynical it is because I am. It doesn’t stink though. The EFL found them guilty in November 2019. It was the INDEPENDENT disciplinary committee that drove the timeline of Wednesdays appeal, their hearing in June, and the subsequent deliberation before deciding the punishment, The EFL would have happily meted out a punishment in November or December if they’d been able. I don’t get your point about Wigan...surely the specific reason you CAN deduct 12 points from Wigan is because that is the penalty?? I was trying to be sarcastic but clearly I am not clever enough to get away with it. I won't do it again (try not to) - just frustrated like most.
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Post by Dan on Aug 4, 2020 17:11:48 GMT 1
Appears Wigan have lost their appeal so Barnsley stay up
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Post by ilsonterrier on Aug 4, 2020 17:15:59 GMT 1
Appears Wigan have lost their appeal so Barnsley stay up Good
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Post by goodbet on Aug 4, 2020 17:21:22 GMT 1
We're awaiting official confirmation, but BBC Radio Manchester understands that Wigan have failed in their appeal against a 12-point deduction. It means the Latics will be relegated to League One. #WAFC
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Post by stevvy on Aug 4, 2020 17:25:07 GMT 1
Wigan have confirmed on their website that the appeal hasn't been successful
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Post by softboy on Aug 4, 2020 17:25:36 GMT 1
Thank god somebody has had the "balls" to see justice done. I do feel sorry for the fans of any club in this position but its the club/owners who are responsible here.
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Post by bogart on Aug 4, 2020 17:26:45 GMT 1
If they had not been deducted the 12 pts leaves the whole bag of worms re administration a lost case. Still think the EFL were hoping they would be more points than they were at the season conclusion. Cook devastated by relegation, hmmm did not take long to jump ship. I would be happy for Wednesday to get only a 9pt deduction applicable this season.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 4, 2020 17:31:57 GMT 1
Thank god somebody has had the "balls" to see justice done. I do feel sorry for the fans of any club in this position but its the club/owners who are responsible here. And it means the owner/last owner wins his bet doesn't it 🤔
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Post by bogart on Aug 4, 2020 17:32:50 GMT 1
Crooked from beginning to end.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 4, 2020 17:32:58 GMT 1
Even funnier if they won the appeal then got docked points themselves for their dodgy owners
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Post by sapphireblue on Aug 4, 2020 17:49:12 GMT 1
Thank god somebody has had the "balls" to see justice done. I do feel sorry for the fans of any club in this position but its the club/owners who are responsible here. And it means the owner/last owner wins his bet doesn't it 🤔 Im sure Otium will know better than me (and i am not being sarcastic) but why would a bookie pay out on that one. The owners have deliberately given their bet the unfair advantage of the 12 point deduction Insider trading or whatever.
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Post by softboy on Aug 7, 2020 18:20:50 GMT 1
Didn't want to start a new thread but notice whilst the Charlton takeover has been legally completed it has been rejected by the EFL. So I assume this means that they will not get the golden ticket/ball (or whatever it is called) to take part in League 1 next season.
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