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Post by softboy on Dec 5, 2019 10:38:40 GMT 1
Anybody can call a game off with only a suspended points deduction. A precedent has been set. With Simpson, Campbell, left back all potentially out injured and Chalobah suspended perhaps we should call our game off.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Dec 5, 2019 10:40:09 GMT 1
Anybody can call a game off with only a suspended points deduction. A precedent has been set. With Simpson, Campbell, left back all potentially out injured and Chalobah suspended perhaps we should call our game off. Don’t be soft, boy.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 5, 2019 12:12:09 GMT 1
Further proof, as if any were needed, that football clubs are bonkers barmy - Macclesfield Town, one of the worst supported sides in the league, average gates of less than 2,500, already in trouble for having to field a weakened team in the FA Cup due to senior players boycotting it in protest over unpaid wages, they've got the taxman after them for the best part of £200k in unpaid revenue and now the players have submitted in writing they won't be available for the Crewe Alex game as that continue to protest about still not being paid. So, obviously they are in a mess, then Sol Campbell pipes up and says he is supporting HMRC as they pursue the club because he personally is still owed £180,000 in unpaid wages !!! £180k, he joined in November 2018, left in August this year and was in charge for 30 games, so by my maths if he never got paid during his time there he was on £18k a month, £4.5k a week for a totally unproven manager at a club who average 2,300 paying fans for home matches !!! My guess is that he was on considerably more than that, otherwise that would suggest he wasn't paid anything for his ten months in charge. Judging by how he's doing at Southend they should be due a refund.
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Post by kennyk2 on Dec 5, 2019 17:44:55 GMT 1
Hi all.
You will find all the posts in this thread that were concerned with politics and GE 2019 in particular, have been moved into "General Election 2019 - which way will you vote", in the politics and current affairs thread in off topic.
Please try and keep posts in this thread relevant to the Massive and their enormous self importance. Ta.
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 5, 2019 22:19:11 GMT 1
Hi all. You will find all the posts in this thread that were concerned with politics and GE 2019 in particular, have been moved into "General Election 2019 - which way will you vote", in the politics and current affairs thread in off topic. Please try and keep posts in this thread relevant to the Massive and their enormous self importance. Ta. Disagree tbh kenny. Politics and Sheffield Wednesday is virtually the same thing, both are full of delusional c****. Please reverse your decision.
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Post by ram on Dec 6, 2019 10:57:19 GMT 1
They are,apparently, going to counter-sue The EFL...Good luck with that then!
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 6, 2019 12:59:57 GMT 1
They are,apparently, going to counter-sue The EFL...Good luck with that then! Thing is, if the Wendies win then the EFL will be shown up to be a complete laughing stock. And I don't think that is too remote a possibility.
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Post by softboy on Dec 6, 2019 17:41:53 GMT 1
This all seems to be very confusing. Are Wednesday (2nd best team in a city with only 2 teams!) saying they have EFL approval to break the rules and they have evidence to prove this?
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Dec 6, 2019 17:49:00 GMT 1
This all seems to be very confusing. Are Wednesday (2nd best team in a city with only 2 teams!) saying they have EFL approval to break the rules and they have evidence to prove this? It’s very straightforward what they’re claiming. It’s you that is confused.....not like you, eh?
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Post by rastrick32 on Dec 6, 2019 18:20:30 GMT 1
Hi all. You will find all the posts in this thread that were concerned with politics and GE 2019 in particular, have been moved into "General Election 2019 - which way will you vote", in the politics and current affairs thread in off topic. Please try and keep posts in this thread relevant to the Massive and their enormous self importance. Ta. Disagree tbh kenny. Politics and Sheffield Wednesday is virtually the same thing, both are full of delusional c****. Please reverse your decision. Sheffield Wednesday surpass politics and everything else in life. They are untouchable, powerful, huge and all-knowing. Their only concession to normality is that they are only named after one day in the week.
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Post by Bigcolquaner on Dec 6, 2019 18:28:05 GMT 1
It's an honour for the EFL to be sued by what is surely the biggest and most important team in Britain.
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Post by rastrick32 on Dec 6, 2019 19:04:06 GMT 1
It's an honour for the EFL to be sued by what is surely the biggest and most important team in Britain. After I die, I want to be reincarnated as a Wednesday fan. Maybe I could come back as that fat twat Tango, with a massive wobbly belly and 30 massive chins.
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Post by Champers on Dec 6, 2019 20:28:29 GMT 1
It's an honour for the EFL to be sued by what is surely the biggest and most important team in Britain. After I die, I want to be reincarnated as a Wednesday fan. Maybe I could come back as that fat twat Tango, with a massive wobbly belly and 30 massive chins. One of my biggest pet hates is that, people who think its funny or endearing to be fat. People like Roy Chubby Brown, Lisa Riley or the entire Gallowgate end.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 17:14:53 GMT 1
Town should play their second eleven for his game inc.
Kongolo, Mounie, Diakhaby, Mbenza, Quaner, Coleman, R Brown
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Dec 12, 2019 10:09:39 GMT 1
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Post by Mecha Corte on Dec 12, 2019 19:28:31 GMT 1
So they sold their ground for £60M and as a result made a profit of £2.6M, on the assumption that the owner bought his own stadium, he won't have actually put any money in, it will have been done on paper, so just in interest alone on nigh on £60M of debt they must be racking up tens of thousands a day on top of it. They get decent numbers turning up, especially when you take into account the prices they charge, it's probably the equivalent of 4 times what we manage, however when you decide to add Jordan Rhodes to another 4 big name strikers like they did when losing to us in the semi final then Hillsborough simply isn't big enough if it was completely sold out, even at £500 + for season cards to keep debts in check.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 19, 2019 11:57:27 GMT 1
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Post by Champers on Dec 19, 2019 12:00:42 GMT 1
I find their arrogance astounding. I really hope they get their just desserts at the end of this saga.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Dec 19, 2019 12:04:52 GMT 1
holy shit. "If found guilty, Wednesday face "any sanction" under EFL regulation 92.2, including a possible points deduction or financial penalty." Hope they get relegated to the lowest league possible. They do realise they are allowed their league share if they follow football league rules don't they?
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 19, 2019 12:31:42 GMT 1
I find their arrogance astounding. I really hope they get their just desserts at the end of this saga. They probably will, and we won't like it. Can see them escaping punishment and actually winning their case. Watch this space...
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Post by Tiro on Dec 19, 2019 17:07:37 GMT 1
From what I can work out Birmingham got a 12 point deduction for breaching FFP rules but all was above board except the actual breach (if that makes sense) whereas Wednesday seem to have made a deliberate attempt to deceive the EFL by putting the sale of the stadium (at an inflated price) in a different year than it actually took place. Also I would have thought this is in breach of Companies House regulations as well as the Directors would have had to sign their Accounts that they were a "true an fair reflection of the Company Financial position" which they appear they were not. I believe their "crime" is much more serious than the Birmingham one and if found quilty I would have thought 20 plus points deduction is definately very realistic. Also, sponsored by a taxi company that doesn't appear to own any taxis and a drinks company that didn't make drinks for two years. Both owned by the chairman nonetheless.... Oh! And the kit manufacturer? Yeah, you guessed it... More info on the sponsorship / stadium funding, and indeed the timing in of each, courtesy of the Guardian today: LINK
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 19, 2019 17:38:19 GMT 1
More info on the sponsorship / stadium funding, and indeed the timing in of each, courtesy of the Guardian today: LINKYour link doesn't work; it simply links to your post.
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Post by Tiro on Dec 19, 2019 18:06:23 GMT 1
More info on the sponsorship / stadium funding, and indeed the timing in of each, courtesy of the Guardian today: LINKYour link doesn't work; it simply links to your post. Apologies - now corrected.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Dec 19, 2019 18:28:23 GMT 1
Your link doesn't work; it simply links to your post. Apologies - now corrected. Interesting read, purely from a layman's point of view it looks dodgy to me, I'm sure clever a corporate lawyer or accountant will argue it's all above board and quite legit.
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Post by Tiro on Dec 19, 2019 18:48:03 GMT 1
Apologies - now corrected. Interesting read, purely from a layman's point of view it looks dodgy to me, I'm sure clever a corporate lawyer or accountant will argue it's all above board and quite legit. If I’m right, most of it is above board I.e. sponsorship from a company owned by the chairman and the sale of the stadium to the chairman. What is maybe murky are four things combined; 1) the sponsors don’t appear to be legitimate / operating companies, 2) the valuation of the stadium and the purchase of it, 3) the timings of the sale - it appears to have been very timely after Wendesday defaulted on submitting their finances, twice and finally 4) the accuracy of the way their finances have been presented. ‘Very interesting to see how the PL will manage the issues at another basket case and club that have sold their stadium to their chairmen; Villa. Had they not have been promoted, they would have have failed FFP and faced points deductions etc. Even with promotion, they are still struggling - that just goes to show how much money they’re haemorrhaging. The trouble with selling your stadium is that you can only do it once! Both have played their get of of jail cards. That’s about the extent of my knowledge on both however.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Dec 19, 2019 19:11:39 GMT 1
Interesting read, purely from a layman's point of view it looks dodgy to me, I'm sure clever a corporate lawyer or accountant will argue it's all above board and quite legit. If I’m right, most of it is above board I.e. sponsorship from a company owned by the chairman and the sale of the stadium to the chairman. What is maybe murky are four things combined; 1) the sponsors don’t appear to be legitimate / operating companies, 2) the valuation of the stadium and the purchase of it, 3) the timings of the sale - it appears to have been very timely after Wendesday defaulted on submitting their finances, twice and finally 4) the accuracy of the way their finances have been presented. ‘Very interesting to see how the PL will manage the issues at another basket case and club that have sold their stadium to their chairmen; Villa. Had they not have been promoted, they would have have failed FFP and faced points deductions etc. Even with promotion, they are still struggling - that just goes to show how much money they’re haemorrhaging. The trouble with selling your stadium is that you can only do it once! Both have played their get of of jail cards. That’s about the extent of my knowledge on both however. I've quoted it before in a different thread but the case that proves just how warped football has become is Derby County, forget sacking Keogh but not the two drunk drivers, forget "selling" their ground to their owner - when they signed Tom Ince ( a couple of years before selling him to Town ) to help keep within sight of FFP they actually paid his mother £750,000 for her "scouting services" as part of the deal - only a cynic could allege that he would benefit to the tune of £5,000 a week over the course of a 3 year contract if his mummy passed it on.
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Post by yappledapple on Dec 19, 2019 20:49:39 GMT 1
And now so are Macclesfield; 6 point deduction for failing to fulfill their Crewe fixture. Another club that is looking like to go the Bury route... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50861229
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Post by Mecha Corte on Dec 20, 2019 11:31:50 GMT 1
And now so are Macclesfield; 6 point deduction for failing to fulfill their Crewe fixture. Another club that is looking like to go the Bury route... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50861229Heard it this morning and my first thought was how can Macc. Town be deducted points yet 3 months earlier Bolton refused to play but didn't get a points deduction? Surely both the PL and the EFL must work off the same "hymn sheet" for ALL clubs when it comes to failure to play a fixture.
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Post by thongsbridge on Dec 20, 2019 11:38:36 GMT 1
I find their arrogance astounding. I really hope they get their just desserts at the end of this saga. They probably will, and we won't like it. Can see them escaping punishment and actually winning their case. Watch this space... Like it or not they appear to have a good team spirit now...and they're on a role... both Fletcher and now Rhodes scoring for fun.... suspect this could be their year in the play offs (if they don't have points deducted).
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Post by athelwulf on Jan 12, 2020 10:34:16 GMT 1
Them and the c**** down the m621 have to be two of the most deluded fan bases in the world. Full of self entitlement, delusional , arrogance, delusional, disregard, delusional, ignorant oh and delusional wankers. Trying to buy their way out of a league they have been in for years despite claiming they belong in the PL because as corrupt c**** such as Scudamore have said, it’s what the PL wants so they must be there. No matter how much they kid themselves, their city will always be Red. They can only dream of being the club Sheffield United are. Just like Leeds dream of being the club Manchester United are. Fuck off. I think Owls fans dream of being where the Blades are, but dreaming of being the club they are is stretching it a bit. In Wilder United have probably the best manager in the country at present, and their current success is almost exclusively down to him. Long as it lasts ...
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