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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jan 16, 2020 10:56:23 GMT 1
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Post by ben1987 on Jan 16, 2020 11:24:25 GMT 1
Seems like they’re trying to claw as much money in as possible from the fans as quick as they can to try avoid sanctions for FFP. The amount of Sheffield Wednesday fans able to afford £6400 in one hit for a football season ticket is going to be low, I’d suggest that they try lower their wage bill.
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Post by jonny5 on Jan 16, 2020 11:25:17 GMT 1
and if they go into admin between now and then, then those season ticket holders will be creditors and essentially could lose all their money, I'd give it a wide berth for many, many reasons if I was a 'massive' fan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 11:27:36 GMT 1
"they have pledged that the tickets will remain valid even if Wednesday are sold to new owners"
That's.....not going to help them find new owners any time in the next fifteen years.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 16, 2020 11:39:54 GMT 1
and if they go into admin between now and then, then those season ticket holders will be creditors and essentially could lose all their money, I'd give it a wide berth for many, many reasons if I was a 'massive' fan. this. same happened at the skip when they went bust.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 16, 2020 11:53:58 GMT 1
and if they go into admin between now and then, then those season ticket holders will be creditors and essentially could lose all their money, I'd give it a wide berth for many, many reasons if I was a 'massive' fan. I bought a 4 year one for Town when David Taylor was trying to keep our heads above water - not sure how many were bought, a few hundred I believe, I used it for the first season then when they went into administration the club made a "goodwill gesture" - they had no legal obligation to do so, that you could use it for one more season, so you lost out on two.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 12:23:51 GMT 1
Sheff Wed Season Tickets for next season ranging from £455 to £640 (Adult Full Price). We definitely have it lucky here. Would expect ours to go up this season though and can't really complain if they do.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 16, 2020 12:35:10 GMT 1
Sheff Wed Season Tickets for next season ranging from £455 to £640 (Adult Full Price). We definitely have it lucky here. Would expect ours to go up this season though and can't really complain if they do. Prices for Wednesday and Beeston are sheer madness, second tier football in crumbling old stadiums located in deprived areas in Yorkshire, yet priced as though it's top end Premier League, in modern state of the art stadiums in posh parts of London - the problem for us being at least in the PL they've put a £30 cap on visiting ticket prices. As for next season I can't see how Town could contemplate putting prices up, even if we survive, paying more to watch inferior doesn't make sense.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 16, 2020 12:38:57 GMT 1
Sheff Wed Season Tickets for next season ranging from £455 to £640 (Adult Full Price). We definitely have it lucky here. Would expect ours to go up this season though and can't really complain if they do. Prices for Wednesday and Beeston are sheer madness, second tier football in crumbling old stadiums located in deprived areas in Yorkshire, yet priced as though it's top end Premier League, in modern state of the art stadiums in posh parts of London - the problem for us being at least in the PL they've put a £30 cap on visiting ticket prices. As for next season I can't see how Town could contemplate putting prices up, even if we survive, paying more to watch inferior doesn't make sense. it would see renewals decimated imo. Better to have 15,000 paying for a Season Ticket at £250 than 8000 paying £350 for one.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 16, 2020 13:22:19 GMT 1
Sheff Wed Season Tickets for next season ranging from £455 to £640 (Adult Full Price). We definitely have it lucky here. Would expect ours to go up this season though and can't really complain if they do. Putting prices up after the last 2 seasons would be suicide* on Phils part. *Apologies Chips Longhorn
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Post by blueandbrightside on Jan 16, 2020 13:40:51 GMT 1
"they have pledged that the tickets will remain valid even if Wednesday are sold to new owners" That's.....not going to help them find new owners any time in the next fifteen years. Assuming they get promoted in the next 15 then I guess finding a new owner wouldn't be that hard. If/when they still haven't been promoted in 20 years however and are in league 2 (hypothetically) then that's another matter as the money they got 20 years ago is no doubt long gone and they have people sat on free tickets for another 10 years plus however long it's takes them to get to the prem. So having gambled on big player costs, sold the ground the next step is to gamble future fans income. Will be interesting how many they choose to sell if there is a lot of interest. The fact that they don't appear to be letting people buy them with a credit card would be a worry for me as you'd have nowhere to turn if they did go under.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 16, 2020 13:42:47 GMT 1
Sheff Wed Season Tickets for next season ranging from £455 to £640 (Adult Full Price). We definitely have it lucky here. Would expect ours to go up this season though and can't really complain if they do. Putting prices up after the last 2 seasons would be suicide* on Phils part. *Apologies Chips Longhorn Bully
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Post by Galpharmer on Jan 16, 2020 13:58:52 GMT 1
They really need some cash to comply, what with spaffing so much on a yearly basis. The owner can't make any more businesses up to sponsor shit now the spotlight is on them. They'll be selling magic beans in the Club shop soon.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 16, 2020 14:04:14 GMT 1
"they have pledged that the tickets will remain valid even if Wednesday are sold to new owners" That's.....not going to help them find new owners any time in the next fifteen years. Assuming they get promoted in the next 15 then I guess finding a new owner wouldn't be that hard. If/when they still haven't been promoted in 20 years however and are in league 2 (hypothetically) then that's another matter as the money they got 20 years ago is no doubt long gone and they have people sat on free tickets for another 10 years plus however long it's takes them to get to the prem. So having gambled on big player costs, sold the ground the next step is to gamble future fans income. Will be interesting how many they choose to sell if there is a lot of interest. The fact that they don't appear to be letting people buy them with a credit card would be a worry for me as you'd have nowhere to turn if they did go under. It was about 20 years ago that the credit card companies decided they'd had enough of football teams going under and leaving them to compensate season ticket holders, now clubs won't take payment by credit card for season tickets because the card companies would only release funds as they go to avoid being left stranded - certainly SWFC won't allow it on these long term deals, they want cash flow brought forward and it wouldn't happen via credit card.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 14:19:09 GMT 1
Didn’t we sell some form of life membership scheme under David Taylor only for it not to be honoured by Davy or Hoyle?
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jan 16, 2020 14:22:03 GMT 1
Didn’t we sell some form of life membership scheme under David Taylor only for it not to be honoured by Davy or Hoyle? Already mentioned; read this thread back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 14:26:24 GMT 1
Didn’t we sell some form of life membership scheme under David Taylor only for it not to be honoured by Davy or Hoyle? Already mentioned; read this thread back. Thanks, I’d missed that.
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Post by Galpharmer on Jan 16, 2020 14:42:44 GMT 1
Already mentioned; read this thread back. Thanks, I’d missed that. Don't do it again.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 16, 2020 14:50:05 GMT 1
Didn’t we sell some form of life membership scheme under David Taylor only for it not to be honoured by Davy or Hoyle? Already mentioned; read this thread back. As a consequence I've got a (very rare) "HTFC Bondholder" pin badge - to be honest it's not a patch on the PL pledge that DH gave out with the £100 season card but as a shareholder I got 200 pages of A4 from the administrators, Trebor Bagnee or something like, detailing the financial meltdown when it arrived - you're welcome to it if you like, not the badge, let me know.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jan 16, 2020 14:53:27 GMT 1
Already mentioned; read this thread back. Thanks, I’d missed that. Just to be clear, I wasn't ticking off Mr X; I was simply pointing out that it had already been mentioned. Don't want to appear "arsey".
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jan 16, 2020 14:55:17 GMT 1
Already mentioned; read this thread back. As a consequence I've got a (very rare) "HTFC Bondholder" pin badge - to be honest it's not a patch on the PL pledge that DH gave out with the £100 season card but as a shareholder I got 200 pages of A4 from the administrators, Trebor Bagnee or something like, detailing the financial meltdown when it arrived - you're welcome to it if you like, not the badge, let me know. Begbies Traynor
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 15:12:29 GMT 1
Just to be clear, I wasn't ticking off Mr X; I was simply pointing out that it had already been mentioned. Don't want to appear "arsey". Too late. You’re worse than Nick and Super Nobsak in my eyes now.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jan 16, 2020 17:40:08 GMT 1
"they have pledged that the tickets will remain valid even if Wednesday are sold to new owners" That's.....not going to help them find new owners any time in the next fifteen years. They're going to make sure it's written into any contract that the current owners make with any potential buyers? Sure, course they are! And there's pigs flying outside my window.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jan 16, 2020 17:42:15 GMT 1
and if they go into admin between now and then, then those season ticket holders will be creditors and essentially could lose all their money, I'd give it a wide berth for many, many reasons if I was a 'massive' fan. I bought a 4 year one for Town when David Taylor was trying to keep our heads above water - not sure how many were bought, a few hundred I believe, I used it for the first season then when they went into administration the club made a "goodwill gesture" - they had no legal obligation to do so, that you could use it for one more season, so you lost out on two. Me too, I paid for mine by credit card so I got my money back from there, so in actual fact I got one year for free. I've got all that paperwork you mention and I've probably got one of those badges around somewhere, although it could be anywhere.
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Post by kwami-hodouto on Jan 16, 2020 18:19:50 GMT 1
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 16, 2020 23:18:22 GMT 1
They really need some cash to comply, what with spaffing so much on a yearly basis. The owner can't make any more businesses up to sponsor shit now the spotlight is on them. They'll be selling magic beans in the Club shop soon. I work in Telecoms. Many yrs ago when companies were building themselves up, the ones who had long haul fibre networks used to flog the dark fibre under something called an IRU, indefeasible rights of use. In essence there was a hefty upfront payment to cater for a 20+ year lease. Unfortunately, to bump the books as these companies were trying to gain market share and were floated on the stock market, a couple of them realised that 20yrs of revenue in that yrs books. I always thought it was a bit short term because they then had to factor in the next 19+ yrs of running costs to support the deal, without essentially being able to book any revenue against it. It could have been that they were actually pulled up by the auditors. I know this is a bit random, but the point is, if this is designed to increase & build revenue (much like the Derby C stadium being sold well over market rate), they really will be knacked in the years ahead. Appreciate they're not going to sell loads of these, but the whole premise of it is the lure of the greedy league & if they were to get promoted etc. Casino football isn't doing anything to hide itself any more...
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Post by Galpharmer on Jan 16, 2020 23:25:07 GMT 1
They really need some cash to comply, what with spaffing so much on a yearly basis. The owner can't make any more businesses up to sponsor shit now the spotlight is on them. They'll be selling magic beans in the Club shop soon. I work in Telecoms. Many yrs ago when companies were building themselves up, the ones who had long haul fibre networks used to flog the dark fibre under something called an IRU, indefeasible rights of use. In essence there was a hefty upfront payment to cater for a 20+ year lease. Unfortunately, to bump the books as these companies were trying to gain market share and were floated on the stock market, a couple of them realised that 20yrs of revenue in that yrs books. I always thought it was a bit short term because they then had to factor in the next 19+ yrs of running costs to support the deal, without essentially being able to book any revenue against it. It could have been that they were actually pulled up by the auditors. I know this is a bit random, but the point is, if this is designed to increase & build revenue (much like the Derby C stadium being sold well over market rate), they really will be knacked in the years ahead. Appreciate they're not going to sell loads of these, but the whole premise of it is the lure of the greedy league & if they were to get promoted etc. Casino football isn't doing anything to hide itself any more... No point selling magic beans then?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 17, 2020 0:07:22 GMT 1
I work in Telecoms. Many yrs ago when companies were building themselves up, the ones who had long haul fibre networks used to flog the dark fibre under something called an IRU, indefeasible rights of use. In essence there was a hefty upfront payment to cater for a 20+ year lease. Unfortunately, to bump the books as these companies were trying to gain market share and were floated on the stock market, a couple of them realised that 20yrs of revenue in that yrs books. I always thought it was a bit short term because they then had to factor in the next 19+ yrs of running costs to support the deal, without essentially being able to book any revenue against it. It could have been that they were actually pulled up by the auditors. I know this is a bit random, but the point is, if this is designed to increase & build revenue (much like the Derby C stadium being sold well over market rate), they really will be knacked in the years ahead. Appreciate they're not going to sell loads of these, but the whole premise of it is the lure of the greedy league & if they were to get promoted etc. Casino football isn't doing anything to hide itself any more... No point selling magic beans then? I think some of these owners have eaten 'em all...
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Post by impact on Jan 17, 2020 1:50:45 GMT 1
Am I right in thinking they did something similar before flogging 5 year season tickets to try and raise cash?
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Post by kwami-hodouto on Jul 10, 2020 8:53:59 GMT 1
Rumours that Massive have been found guilty and are now just awaiting the punishment to be announced.
People suggesting they have bartered it down to 12 point deducted with a further 9 suspended.
All hear say of course.
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