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Post by bouncer on Dec 8, 2019 23:28:01 GMT 1
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 8, 2019 23:42:02 GMT 1
He frightens the life out of me with it at his feet....just occasionally he sets off and I always fear him tripping over it. No close control and slow to move it. The worst natural footballer today...not saying the worst footballer. Have you considered (injury aside) why he has 20 appearance in well over 3 years? Firstly, how can you say "injuries aside". They are the main reason for the lack of appearances. You should also remember that over his time here, Centre Back has hardly been our biggest issue. Ahead of him have been two record signings, a Danish international and THE cult hero of recent times. Was it ever likely he'd find it easy to force his way in the team? Stankovic clearly has weaknesses. I think he lacks pace and before the the last three home games I would have had concerns over his ability to cope with the physical aspect of his role (but the way he stood up to Juktiewicz, Baston & Bamford has possibly allayed those fears). However to suggest he's not good on the ball is just WRONG. Have a pop over to the Stankovic thread and see what your fellow fans think. To a (virtual) man they're praising how comfortable he is on the ball. .....but hey ho you've never been wrong about a player have you Oti? All opinions pal...I am comfortable on the ball when not pressurised or having to do it at pace. Zanka was woeful...slow to make a move when at his feet. You referring to Billing I presume? Lost 5 in a row and getting subbed earlier and earlier in matches....in a threadbare squad. Done nowt. For the FOURTH time I did not criticise Stankovic's match performance....I just know he is not good enough for the upper echelons of the Championship, like Elphick, Kachunga, Mbenza, Hogg, Trevor et al.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 8, 2019 23:52:51 GMT 1
Firstly, how can you say "injuries aside". They are the main reason for the lack of appearances. You should also remember that over his time here, Centre Back has hardly been our biggest issue. Ahead of him have been two record signings, a Danish international and THE cult hero of recent times. Was it ever likely he'd find it easy to force his way in the team? Stankovic clearly has weaknesses. I think he lacks pace and before the the last three home games I would have had concerns over his ability to cope with the physical aspect of his role (but the way he stood up to Juktiewicz, Baston & Bamford has possibly allayed those fears). However to suggest he's not good on the ball is just WRONG. Have a pop over to the Stankovic thread and see what your fellow fans think. To a (virtual) man they're praising how comfortable he is on the ball. .....but hey ho you've never been wrong about a player have you Oti? All opinions pal...I am comfortable on the ball when not pressurised or having to do it at pace. Zanka was woeful...slow to make a move when at his feet. You referring to Billing I presume? Lost 5 in a row and getting subbed earlier and earlier in matches....in a threadbare squad. Done nowt. For the FOURTH time I did not criticise Stankovic's match performance....I just know he is not good enough for the upper echelons of the Championship, like Elphick, Kachunga, Mbenza, Hogg, Trevor et al. Stanky is good enough as is the Chunga boy.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Dec 9, 2019 8:39:15 GMT 1
after having a weekend to think about it, I have absolutely no doubt that with a full strength side we would have got something out of the game.
I was expecting L..ds to be something rather special based on some reports but I just found them to be overrated to be honest.
Teams up and around them have nowt to fear based on that. Once they inevitably run out of juice they'll be cannon fodder.
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Post by worthington on Dec 9, 2019 9:20:21 GMT 1
Oh dear Oti. Think you get a fair bit of unfair stick on here from time to time but you’ve had a mare there. Hogg, we all know his frailties in playing the ball but still the best ball winner we have; Kach, gives 100pc every game but his goal stats are woeful; Koroma & Duhaney are young lads with fewer than 10 games for Town between them, give them a chance; Stankovic, composed and reads the game well and one of two players Wagner absolutely wanted when he came. Would agree he can get bullied at times so needs to toughen up; Mounie better today, certainly first half but his future lies elsewhere; Bacuna is now a mainstay in the team and keeps improving, certainly wouldn’t be getting shot of him. Don’t forget, Koroma and Duhaney were only playing due to injuries to others and Flo was playing out of position. Given this, thought we did ok today and as you admit, leeds were nothing special. Will agree with you on Alioski though, been impressed with him for some time. About 70 minutes in Hogg gave it away 3 times in a minute...always 10 yards passes to someone with a man up their arse. Guess who he blamed? It needed a big step up from Bacuna...he was largely invisible...could turn in to a top player though. He could have been sent off twice in a minute...pushed a guy in to the hoardings then stamped on another in frustration...both missed by the officials. Stankovic does not get games because he is slow on the ball...not saying he had a bad game at all but he will never be a mainstay of our team. 20 appearances in 3.5 years...ask yourself why. Kachunga will be released and will retire...my prediction. We did OK considering the changes but we lost at home by two goals to an average side....what does that tell you about us. I agree with this. We are looking at 72-74 all over again, two relegations in a row. At the end of the first premiership season it was necessary to thank Hogg and replace him with a better quality midfielder no matter what the expense, and invest in one really fast front man. That would have been enough. The rest could have built on their experience in the top flight. As for now, a friend who watches Lincoln week in week out says they played terrible football but somehow knew how to win matches. That might still happen at Town, but as for now, it is terrible football, with nobody looking comfortable on the ball because the ball is played to them when they have no time, or because the ball is played to the wrong side of them so they have to adjust their position to get it, by which time they have been closed down. This happened numerous times on Saturday.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 9, 2019 9:26:34 GMT 1
About 70 minutes in Hogg gave it away 3 times in a minute...always 10 yards passes to someone with a man up their arse. Guess who he blamed? It needed a big step up from Bacuna...he was largely invisible...could turn in to a top player though. He could have been sent off twice in a minute...pushed a guy in to the hoardings then stamped on another in frustration...both missed by the officials. Stankovic does not get games because he is slow on the ball...not saying he had a bad game at all but he will never be a mainstay of our team. 20 appearances in 3.5 years...ask yourself why. Kachunga will be released and will retire...my prediction. We did OK considering the changes but we lost at home by two goals to an average side....what does that tell you about us. I agree with this. We are looking at 72-74 all over again, two relegations in a row. At the end of the first premiership season it was necessary to thank Hogg and replace him with a better quality midfielder no matter what the expense, and invest in one really fast front man. That would have been enough. The rest could have built on their experience in the top flight. As for now, a friend who watches Lincoln week in week out says they played terrible football but somehow knew how to win matches. That might still happen at Town, but as for now, it is terrible football, with nobody looking comfortable on the ball because the ball is played to them when they have no time, or because the ball is played to the wrong side of them so they have to adjust their position to get it, by which time they have been closed down. This happened numerous times on Saturday. Interesting ! I didn’t really notice !
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 9, 2019 9:55:00 GMT 1
I agree with this. We are looking at 72-74 all over again, two relegations in a row. At the end of the first premiership season it was necessary to thank Hogg and replace him with a better quality midfielder no matter what the expense, and invest in one really fast front man. That would have been enough. The rest could have built on their experience in the top flight. As for now, a friend who watches Lincoln week in week out says they played terrible football but somehow knew how to win matches. That might still happen at Town, but as for now, it is terrible football, with nobody looking comfortable on the ball because the ball is played to them when they have no time, or because the ball is played to the wrong side of them so they have to adjust their position to get it, by which time they have been closed down. This happened numerous times on Saturday. Interesting ! I didn’t really notice ! I saw us compete well with the best Leeds TEAM for a good while. Error defending a corner, de ja vu and a breakaway goal that could have been stopped and 2 bad misses on our part. Therefore not a million miles from where we would like to be. I have seen Lincoln play a few times and found them attacking, exciting, on the front foot and incredibly committed and hardworking?? Not sure why we would not like to watch a Town team that has those qualities week in week out? Btw, before anyone screams about leeds, they have just enough talent but have a gameplan with the effort to make it work this year. Their team is better, forget individuals.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 9, 2019 10:02:55 GMT 1
after having a weekend to think about it, I have absolutely no doubt that with a full strength side we would have got something out of the game. I was expecting L..ds to be something rather special based on some reports but I just found them to be overrated to be honest. Teams up and around them have nowt to fear based on that. Once they inevitably run out of juice they'll be cannon fodder. We'd have got something out of the game even with that depleted side if we could hit a barn door. We had enough golden chances to score just in the final few minutes alone to get a draw. I think youre right though. With our first choice full backs playing Campbell up front and Obrien in midfield then Id be very confident we'd have won that game. We only have ourselves to blame that we didn't. Whilst the result was disappointing, there are positives to take from the game. In overall play our depleted side more than matched an in form team going for top 2 and we created half a dozen 'has to score' chances against a side that has only conceded 10 all season. Stankovic has cemented his place in the starting line up with another excellent assured performance. There won't be many centre backs as confident and assured on the ball as him in this division. Duhaney came in and did very well and Koroma looked like he could be a useful player to have available too.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 9, 2019 10:04:36 GMT 1
All opinions pal...I am comfortable on the ball when not pressurised or having to do it at pace. Zanka was woeful...slow to make a move when at his feet. You referring to Billing I presume? Lost 5 in a row and getting subbed earlier and earlier in matches....in a threadbare squad. Done nowt. For the FOURTH time I did not criticise Stankovic's match performance....I just know he is not good enough for the upper echelons of the Championship, like Elphick, Kachunga, Mbenza, Hogg, Trevor et al. Stanky is good enough as is the Chunga boy. Look, your view on Kachunga is well known. He was never a top player even when we got promoted. He cant really tackle, he is not fast, cant head it or these days even beat a man. If he were a Xmas gift he would be a tangerine....a stocking filler. 2 years of nothing adds up to nothing. Without the 12 goals in the promo year he would have been sent on his merry way a long time ago.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 9, 2019 10:08:04 GMT 1
About 70 minutes in Hogg gave it away 3 times in a minute...always 10 yards passes to someone with a man up their arse. Guess who he blamed? It needed a big step up from Bacuna...he was largely invisible...could turn in to a top player though. He could have been sent off twice in a minute...pushed a guy in to the hoardings then stamped on another in frustration...both missed by the officials. Stankovic does not get games because he is slow on the ball...not saying he had a bad game at all but he will never be a mainstay of our team. 20 appearances in 3.5 years...ask yourself why. Kachunga will be released and will retire...my prediction. We did OK considering the changes but we lost at home by two goals to an average side....what does that tell you about us. I agree with this. We are looking at 72-74 all over again, two relegations in a row. At the end of the first premiership season it was necessary to thank Hogg and replace him with a better quality midfielder no matter what the expense, and invest in one really fast front man. That would have been enough. The rest could have built on their experience in the top flight. As for now, a friend who watches Lincoln week in week out says they played terrible football but somehow knew how to win matches. That might still happen at Town, but as for now, it is terrible football, with nobody looking comfortable on the ball because the ball is played to them when they have no time, or because the ball is played to the wrong side of them so they have to adjust their position to get it, by which time they have been closed down. This happened numerous times on Saturday. And that's why it al breaks down so quickly or it shows up the lack of cohesion. Did we once string 5 forward passes together Saturday? All so bitty. Visionless passes and front men lacking pace when its through or down the channels.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Dec 9, 2019 10:22:02 GMT 1
Stanky is good enough as is the Chunga boy. Look, your view on Kachunga is well known. He was never a top player even when we got promoted. He cant really tackle, he is not fast, cant head it or these days even beat a man. If he were a Xmas gift he would be a tangerine....a stocking filler. 2 years of nothing adds up to nothing. Without the 12 goals in the promo year he would have been sent on his merry way a long time ago. and yet the Cowleys keep picking him. I suspect they know more about what he brings to the side than any of us lot.
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Post by space hardware on Dec 9, 2019 10:23:06 GMT 1
after having a weekend to think about it, I have absolutely no doubt that with a full strength side we would have got something out of the game. I was expecting L..ds to be something rather special based on some reports but I just found them to be overrated to be honest. Teams up and around them have nowt to fear based on that. Once they inevitably run out of juice they'll be cannon fodder. To be fair, they had a few first choice players missing too. Probably not as many as us though. Having said that, they were nowhere near the finely tuned footballing powerhouse that their fluffers at Sky Sports would have us all believe.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Dec 9, 2019 10:27:27 GMT 1
One thing that stood out for me the most was after Mounies header was tipped over it showed the bench's reaction and all the young lads jumped up and had genuine excitement on their face.
It showed to me they cared and were proud to be there.
Flashback a few weeks ago when we scored it showed the bench and Diakhaby looked like someone had just pissed on his kids.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 9, 2019 10:29:10 GMT 1
Look, your view on Kachunga is well known. He was never a top player even when we got promoted. He cant really tackle, he is not fast, cant head it or these days even beat a man. If he were a Xmas gift he would be a tangerine....a stocking filler. 2 years of nothing adds up to nothing. Without the 12 goals in the promo year he would have been sent on his merry way a long time ago. and yet the Cowleys keep picking him. I suspect they know more about what he brings to the side than any of us lot. Bit more than otium
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Dec 9, 2019 10:42:46 GMT 1
One thing that stood out for me the most was after Mounies header was tipped over it showed the bench's reaction and all the young lads jumped up and had genuine excitement on their face. It showed to me they cared and were proud to be there. Flashback a few weeks ago when we scored it showed the bench and Diakhaby looked like someone had just pissed on his kids. Indeed. The Kids are the future of this club not the mercenaries.
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Post by foxtrot666 on Dec 9, 2019 10:49:44 GMT 1
after having a weekend to think about it, I have absolutely no doubt that with a full strength side we would have got something out of the game. I was expecting L..ds to be something rather special based on some reports but I just found them to be overrated to be honest. Teams up and around them have nowt to fear based on that. Once they inevitably run out of juice they'll be cannon fodder. To be fair, they had a few first choice players missing too. Probably not as many as us though. Having said that, they were nowhere near the finely tuned footballing powerhouse that their fluffers at Sky Sports would have us all believe.I agree but don't think they will have to be, not much quality in this league from what I've seen so far. Promotion is there for the taking which makes our situation even more annoying.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 9, 2019 11:16:37 GMT 1
One thing that stood out for me the most was after Mounies header was tipped over it showed the bench's reaction and all the young lads jumped up and had genuine excitement on their face. It showed to me they cared and were proud to be there. Flashback a few weeks ago when we scored it showed the bench and Diakhaby looked like someone had just pissed on his kids. Indeed. The Kids are the future of this club not the mercenaries. teach them well and let them lead the way..
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 9, 2019 11:19:47 GMT 1
To be fair, they had a few first choice players missing too. Probably not as many as us though. Having said that, they were nowhere near the finely tuned footballing powerhouse that their fluffers at Sky Sports would have us all believe.I agree but don't think they will have to be, not much quality in this league from what I've seen so far. Promotion is there for the taking which makes our situation even more annoying. Its the championship isn;t it. Think in this division there really isn't that much difference between sides pushing for top 6 and sides scrapping against going down. Could be just one player on form or one injury that makes all the difference. We had half our best side missing but if you watched that game and didn;t know, you wouldn;t have been able to say which side was top 2 and which was near the bottom based on general play.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 12:17:42 GMT 1
Bizarre....that was the assessment of every person I was at the game with....more than 20 people. When you go Jimbo put the real specs on instead of the blue and white ones. You have told us everyone you sat with was a Leeds fan though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 12:33:25 GMT 1
Oh dear Oti. Think you get a fair bit of unfair stick on here from time to time but you’ve had a mare there. Hogg, we all know his frailties in playing the ball but still the best ball winner we have; Kach, gives 100pc every game but his goal stats are woeful; Koroma & Duhaney are young lads with fewer than 10 games for Town between them, give them a chance; Stankovic, composed and reads the game well and one of two players Wagner absolutely wanted when he came. Would agree he can get bullied at times so needs to toughen up; Mounie better today, certainly first half but his future lies elsewhere; Bacuna is now a mainstay in the team and keeps improving, certainly wouldn’t be getting shot of him. Don’t forget, Koroma and Duhaney were only playing due to injuries to others and Flo was playing out of position. Given this, thought we did ok today and as you admit, leeds were nothing special. Will agree with you on Alioski though, been impressed with him for some time. About 70 minutes in Hogg gave it away 3 times in a minute...always 10 yards passes to someone with a man up their arse. Guess who he blamed? It needed a big step up from Bacuna...he was largely invisible...could turn in to a top player though. He could have been sent off twice in a minute...pushed a guy in to the hoardings then stamped on another in frustration...both missed by the officials. Stankovic does not get games because he is slow on the ball...not saying he had a bad game at all but he will never be a mainstay of our team. 20 appearances in 3.5 years...ask yourself why. Kachunga will be released and will retire...my prediction. We did OK considering the changes but we lost at home by two goals to an average side....what does that tell you about us. Agree with bits of this but you keep asking people to ask theirselves why Stankovic has barely played? I’ve asked myself why, and other than being behind internationals like Zanka or a great partnership in Hefele and Schindler before that, he was out injured for almost a year. It’s a stupid question a bit like asking why Tommy Smith played 20 games or so in his first two seasons with us.....BECAUSE he was brought in below the first choice players and it takes time to develop and then establish yourself.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 9, 2019 12:44:36 GMT 1
I agree but don't think they will have to be, not much quality in this league from what I've seen so far. Promotion is there for the taking which makes our situation even more annoying. Its the championship isn;t it. Think in this division there really isn't that much difference between sides pushing for top 6 and sides scrapping against going down. Could be just one player on form or one injury that makes all the difference. We had half our best side missing but if you watched that game and didn;t know, you wouldn;t have been able to say which side was top 2 and which was near the bottom based on general play. The way they were able to go from one end to the other in 4 or 5 passes made it pretty obvious to me which side was at the top of the table. We made a game of it because we worked our bollocks off but throughout the game they looked more confident on the ball which is understandable given the respective positions of both sides.
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Post by willo on Dec 9, 2019 12:58:14 GMT 1
after having a weekend to think about it, I have absolutely no doubt that with a full strength side we would have got something out of the game. I was expecting L..ds to be something rather special based on some reports but I just found them to be overrated to be honest. Teams up and around them have nowt to fear based on that. Once they inevitably run out of juice they'll be cannon fodder. Leeds are no better or worse than last season, they are only higher up in the league because the overall standard is poorer. Bielsa is the key for them, without him, they’d be mid-table.
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Post by Mastercracker on Dec 9, 2019 12:58:50 GMT 1
To be fair, they had a few first choice players missing too. Probably not as many as us though. Having said that, they were nowhere near the finely tuned footballing powerhouse that their fluffers at Sky Sports would have us all believe.I agree but don't think they will have to be, not much quality in this league from what I've seen so far. Promotion is there for the taking which makes our situation even more annoying. The league this season is absolute tripe. West Brom are the only team I've seen that look good and will probably win the league. Leeds are very organised and very fit and sadly will probably come 2nd. Fulham have the best squad on paper but a useless manager. After that its shite. Our 16/17 side would claim an auto spot easily imo.
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Post by impact on Dec 9, 2019 16:08:19 GMT 1
The Leeds keeper is in the EFL team of the week. Further proof games aren't watched.
He fucked up 1st half on Mounie which, given he got none of the ball and all of the man, should have been a penalty, and was nowhere for the sitter Grant missed.
Their defence is shaky as hell.
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Post by impact on Dec 9, 2019 16:10:22 GMT 1
Its the championship isn;t it. Think in this division there really isn't that much difference between sides pushing for top 6 and sides scrapping against going down. Could be just one player on form or one injury that makes all the difference. We had half our best side missing but if you watched that game and didn;t know, you wouldn;t have been able to say which side was top 2 and which was near the bottom based on general play. The way they were able to go from one end to the other in 4 or 5 passes made it pretty obvious to me which side was at the top of the table. We made a game of it because we worked our bollocks off but throughout the game they looked more confident on the ball which is understandable given the respective positions of both sides. They didn't look confident on the ball at all in the 1st half. I've said it loads - press them high and they panic.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 9, 2019 16:12:00 GMT 1
The way they were able to go from one end to the other in 4 or 5 passes made it pretty obvious to me which side was at the top of the table. We made a game of it because we worked our bollocks off but throughout the game they looked more confident on the ball which is understandable given the respective positions of both sides. They didn't look confident on the ball at all in the 1st half. I've said it loads - press them high and they panic. They struggled to pass through the press first half, partly because they were without Phillips and partly because we were over working. They knew we couldn't keep that level of press up all game and quickly exposed that in the second half
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 9, 2019 16:34:20 GMT 1
They improved 2nd half ( the stats suggest they usually do ) but I didn't see this slick passing performance you did. In terms of play they edged the 2nd half and our levels of energy dropped a bit, but regardless we still created the better chances. I don;t think there was anything to choose between the two teams in terms of quality.. other than finishing.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Dec 9, 2019 16:36:41 GMT 1
The Leeds keeper is in the EFL team of the week. Further proof games aren't watched. He fucked up 1st half on Mounie which, given he got none of the ball and all of the man, should have been a penalty, and was nowhere for the sitter Grant missed. Their defence is shaky as hell. and a sending off imo.
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Post by benhomly on Dec 9, 2019 16:48:24 GMT 1
They're very welcome to have a crack at the PL with the nucleus of that squad, would be interesting to watch.
The only worry is if any of these rumours of them becoming the next Man City are anywhere near the mark. Usual over exaggeration from down the road is probably nearer the mark though.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 9, 2019 16:58:48 GMT 1
They're very welcome to have a crack at the PL with the nucleus of that squad, would be interesting to watch. The only worry is if any of these rumours of them becoming the next Man City are anywhere near the mark. Usual over exaggeration from down the road is probably nearer the mark though. No over exaggeration from what ive heard. Leeds will probably be the next 'Man City'..buying their way from general obscurity to compete at the very top. If youre a foreign individual or state wishing to buy an english club to do that with then Leeds would be an ideal choice. Size of the city, catchment area, and the club still has a 'name' around the world despite all its failings. There are similarities with man City in terms of size and stature of club, other than they have their city to themselves. Always in the shadow of the other big city clubs. Even moreso at leeds because theyre more of a championship club than a premier division club. Theyve spent most of the past 40 years there. People who hate them aren;t going to enjoy it, but its going to happen i think.
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