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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 1, 2020 19:41:52 GMT 1
As I saw it, we were totally outfought and out muscled in every area of the pitch. We never had any control in midfield and Stoke had done their homework in making sure that there big forwards targeted Stankovic. Bacuna remains erratic but it wasn’t only him that was misfiring. Only good thing for me was that I thought Mounié challenged really well all game to win headers.
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Post by marshterrier on Jan 1, 2020 19:44:11 GMT 1
Danny summed it up - 'a car crash performance!' Too many costly individual errors gifting them 4 goals and a disjointed shape and fragility in midfield and defence. Stoke were big, strong and physical bullied us and clearly wanted it more than we did. So frustrating but its shows the paper thin squad we have in terms of quality and cover. Everyone had an off day and were completely off it and clueless for most of the 90 mins. The transfer window is critical to our survival - we must get it right or we're going down to the wire with five or six other clubs.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 1, 2020 19:52:10 GMT 1
I'm incandescent with rage over that, garbage from start to finish. I'm actually really surprised we were so bad as I was quite confident of winning and with the big chance to put some clear daylight in the form of a 10 point cushion.
Stoke were first to everything, wanted it more and were physically stronger than we were closing us down at every available opportunity whilst we were just so poor at everything. Not sure what the idea was with the 4 central midfielders either? Too many individual errors that led to goals today and if I have to single out a player for some treatment today, it's Bacuna, he was bloody awful, the guy is a massive liability at times.
Where was the game management when we had, unexpectedly and probably undeservedly gone 2-1 in front?
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Post by ACW on Jan 1, 2020 19:55:07 GMT 1
Missed the past half dozen games as my daughter is in hospital, but it appears we are becoming a much more direct team, particularly now Mounie is in the side. I hope this is a temporary development and we're not becoming a long ball team. Sounds like those tactics were a total disaster today. We have very little or no creative quality in midfield. Billing and Mooy are gone, Pritchard injured. How do you expect us to play? We've been without those players for the majority of the season, but for most of it we have tried to play through midfield. The long ball stuff is a much more recent development.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 1, 2020 19:58:46 GMT 1
Criminal today. Goal 1 was shite from Bacuna (what was with his pass?) and as for Simpson, how the fuck did he manage to do what he did? Goal 2 from the 1 quick glance at a replay that I saw looked like their guy was ignored by Chalobah to run in and score. Goal 3 was criminal from Grabara, no reason to come for that with about 4 other players going for it. Goal 4 horrific, one of the first rules of defending is don't let the ball bounce, so Stankovic let it bounce Goal 5 not much to say other than a bit shit from us We played to their strengths and let them play to their strengths though by having the ball in the air so much. Not a single shot (even a blocked shot) in the first half from us, Chalobah offers nothing and hasn't for a long time, he's a passenger. Bacuna is either brilliant or fucking annoying. Grabara will keep his place because Liverpool likely stuck a clause in there saying he has to play unless injured or suspended Stankovic was stupid for letting the ball bounce for goal 4 Long and short of it is we gifted Stoke the 3 points. Ok they were better than us without really playing well or having to actually work for any of their goals, but when you gift the opponents so many goals, then ultimately we got what we deserved, as we were fucking shite. Hogg lost the ball cheaply for goal 2 Possible offside for goal 4 but we deserved nowt. I would agree with Hogg losing it cheaply in the run up to the equaliser, everyone wanted a foul but he lost the ball fair and square.
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Post by impact on Jan 1, 2020 19:59:47 GMT 1
Criminal today. Goal 1 was shite from Bacuna (what was with his pass?) and as for Simpson, how the fuck did he manage to do what he did? Goal 2 from the 1 quick glance at a replay that I saw looked like their guy was ignored by Chalobah to run in and score. Goal 3 was criminal from Grabara, no reason to come for that with about 4 other players going for it. Goal 4 horrific, one of the first rules of defending is don't let the ball bounce, so Stankovic let it bounce Goal 5 not much to say other than a bit shit from us We played to their strengths and let them play to their strengths though by having the ball in the air so much. Not a single shot (even a blocked shot) in the first half from us, Chalobah offers nothing and hasn't for a long time, he's a passenger. Bacuna is either brilliant or fucking annoying. Grabara will keep his place because Liverpool likely stuck a clause in there saying he has to play unless injured or suspended Stankovic was stupid for letting the ball bounce for goal 4 Long and short of it is we gifted Stoke the 3 points. Ok they were better than us without really playing well or having to actually work for any of their goals, but when you gift the opponents so many goals, then ultimately we got what we deserved, as we were fucking shite. Hogg lost the ball cheaply for goal 2 Possible offside for goal 4 but we deserved nowt. Goal 3 was also offside. That liner was useless.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 1, 2020 20:01:19 GMT 1
We have very little or no creative quality in midfield. Billing and Mooy are gone, Pritchard injured. How do you expect us to play? We've been without those players for the majority of the season, but for most of it we have tried to play through midfield. The long ball stuff is a much more recent development. Yeah I remarked this to my mate at the Blackburn game that we have become more direct and today that's all we did was smash it long.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 1, 2020 20:01:33 GMT 1
Someone may correct me on this, but I'm sure the last time we shipped 5 at home in this division, the season following that wasn't too bad...
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Post by York Terrier on Jan 1, 2020 20:02:57 GMT 1
The ball today as against Middlesbrough was like a hot potato nobody could get it on the floor under control to start any sort of attacking move it was more akin to children’s football. I know we are short of players, but the quality of football in my opinion is getting steadily worse. Let’s hope for some creative talent who can get the ball down and play football being part of the incoming transfer business
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 1, 2020 20:04:52 GMT 1
Quite an amazing state of affairs if you think about it. Just down from the PL and DC says that he only has 14 players he can count on, which has meant blooding youngsters to make up the numbers.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 1, 2020 20:05:17 GMT 1
We went 2-1 up totally against the run of play. I couldn’t believe we were winning. Well that’s football I thought Then the game continued as the first half had. Totally second best all over the park Yes I thought their centre half was lucky to be on the pitch. Yes we had a couple of penalty decision against us. But in general play we were awful. Disjointed. Lopsided. The lack of players available is ruining us. Kachunga for all his abuse gives us balance We actually missed Kachunga, the no natural wingers/attackers was a bit ridiculous. He gets some stick but he does contribute to attack minded play.
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Post by turbo2 on Jan 1, 2020 20:09:58 GMT 1
We went 2-1 up totally against the run of play. I couldn’t believe we were winning. Well that’s football I thought Then the game continued as the first half had. Totally second best all over the park Yes I thought their centre half was lucky to be on the pitch. Yes we had a couple of penalty decision against us. But in general play we were awful. Disjointed. Lopsided. The lack of players available is ruining us. Kachunga for all his abuse gives us balance We actually missed Kachunga, the no natural wingers/attackers was a bit ridiculous. He gets some stick but he does contribute to attack minded play. I’m blaming you mate. All that over confidence I was taking the piss out of this morning 😂 😂
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 1, 2020 20:10:48 GMT 1
We actually missed Kachunga, the no natural wingers/attackers was a bit ridiculous. He gets some stick but he does contribute to attack minded play. I’m blaming you mate. All that over confidence I was taking the piss out of this morning 😂 😂 That's all gone now after that debacle.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jan 1, 2020 20:11:10 GMT 1
Ive probably been watching town too long. My first thought after we went 2-1 up was 'we could lose this 2-3'.
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Post by Armchair Pundit on Jan 1, 2020 20:11:45 GMT 1
We needed a player like Tom Ince in that game.
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Post by htfc63 on Jan 1, 2020 20:13:38 GMT 1
Yes it was an horrendous performance which just highlights the need for competition for places as complacency is creeping in due to players knowing they are going to be picked regardless, The biggest question for me is why are we still playing Chebolah as it’s clear the guy is not good enough. Could Danny please let us know if we have to play him as a condition of his loan as if not he should be sent back for stealing a place in our team. It’s going to be a hard ask to get quality in this transfer window however it’s never been more crucial as we need to stay up and then rebuild if we are to challenge for a top ten position in this league.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 1, 2020 20:13:59 GMT 1
We needed a player like Tom Ince in that game. Like Tom Ince? As in looks or ability? If you mean ability then no we didn't. They finally drop him and scored 5 goals
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 1, 2020 20:14:11 GMT 1
We needed a player like Tom Ince in that game. We needed 11 bloody players like him, even as a keeper compared to what Grabber did today.
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Post by royalflush on Jan 1, 2020 20:16:21 GMT 1
Stoke are in a false position. When you look at their squad man for man they should be comfortably above us and pushing the top six. Nathan Jones was even worse than Siewert.
Think you saw the benefit of their large squad today. Wagner always rotated heavily at this time of the year and they made five changes having left out five of their best players on Sunday in readiness for us. We don't have that luxury. It's disgraceful that we don't, given the premier seasons & parachute money but we don't and we looked jaded imo.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 1, 2020 20:24:08 GMT 1
Their league position suggests nothing, it is a fact? They have won games and failed to take it on and all that suggests is their senior players cant or wont perform regularly and the rest are not able to cover it?, We are where we are for similar reasons and until proved otherwise it's a factual reflection of our season to date. On the evidence so far we can beat Stoke. Still feel the same about their senior players. Yeah - Joe Allen, McClean, Vokes they really couldn’t be arsed today. They played us??? We played for about 10 minutes at the start of the second half. I'd look useful against us today, I am big enough to bully us and I have a pair, my footballing skills would not have been needed. Stoke are bottom 5/6 with us , difference today was caring and physicality. I cannot factor in a total lack of bollox when looking at the relative seasons and positions of the two teams before the match? Clearly you think you can, very little football played today, we lost a brawl.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 1, 2020 20:24:29 GMT 1
It was men against boys most of today, look at the quality they have, they might of scored more.
I had a feeling one of these types of teams might muller us.
Massive problems here, The 14 available players situation is an absolute joke ffs. We have just been in the Prem ! Wonder what big Phil makes of it all.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jan 1, 2020 20:27:30 GMT 1
Systematically and comprehensively dismantled today. God, that was depressing. We were desperately poor when we won at their ground earlier in the season, when Stoke did everything bar get their shots on target; well, today they put that right. Much as he is derided and abused, I'd kill for a winger like McClean.
Oh, and - not that it mattered much - James Linnington continued his dreadful form when refereeing Town games.
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Post by willo on Jan 1, 2020 20:30:28 GMT 1
We didn’t deserve to win today and the referee didn’t help but I’m curious to know who else folk would have picked had they been in the Cowley’s position? We have literally no strength in depth; several players have made it be known they don’t want to be here and are unavailable for selection, Pritchard seems to be almost permanently “injured” and that pretty much leaves inexperienced kids. We are threadbare.
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Post by impact on Jan 1, 2020 20:32:33 GMT 1
We didn’t deserve to win today and the referee didn’t help but I’m curious to know who else folk would have picked had they been in the Cowley’s position? We have literally no strength in depth; several players have made it be known they don’t want to be here and are unavailable for selection, Pritchard seems to be almost permanently “injured” and that pretty much leaves inexperienced kids. We are threadbare. Koroma on the wing, O'Brien in the middle. Even Flo on the wing. Anything but putting your best CM out wide and leaving us with absolutely nothing in the middle.
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Jan 1, 2020 20:34:37 GMT 1
Quite an amazing state of affairs if you think about it. Just down from the PL and DC says that he only has 14 players he can count on, which has meant blooding youngsters to make up the numbers. And of those 14, how many are up to standard? 6? 7?
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Post by legoat on Jan 1, 2020 20:48:43 GMT 1
Quite fitting that we ended the last decade with a morale boosting, energetic, enthusiastic and ebullient win.
And begin with a performance so dire, so horrible,so...so...there's no adjectives. Really, just....
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 1, 2020 20:55:31 GMT 1
Quite an amazing state of affairs if you think about it. Just down from the PL and DC says that he only has 14 players he can count on, which has meant blooding youngsters to make up the numbers. Indeed. The Club have screwed the pooch on this one. It's not the fans fault that the club have stripped the playing staff bare and left the Cowleys with just the dregs to work with. Who is responsible for this state of affairs?
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Post by hypotenuse on Jan 1, 2020 21:02:15 GMT 1
Still feel the same about their senior players. Yeah - Joe Allen, McClean, Vokes they really couldn’t be arsed today. They played us??? We played for about 10 minutes at the start of the second half. I'd look useful against us today, I am big enough to bully us and I have a pair, my footballing skills would not have been needed. Stoke are bottom 5/6 with us , difference today was caring and physicality. I cannot factor in a total lack of bollox when looking at the relative seasons and positions of the two teams before the match? Clearly you think you can, very little football played today, we lost a brawl. I’ll tell you what I can factor in... a careful analysis of the team we are playing over the last 8 games or so. Anyone doing any research would know that their quality of play over the last couple of months has been way in excess of their points gained or league position. As for not much football on show, I thought they played some very decent stuff - some of the finishing in the second half was seriously classy even if it often followed some basic errors from us. Compare Tyreese Campbell with Karlan Grant - who looks the premier league quality player?
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Post by legoat on Jan 1, 2020 21:11:27 GMT 1
Dreadful
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Post by conman on Jan 1, 2020 21:17:52 GMT 1
Funnily enough yes, pork pie n peas for lunch today pre match. I'm limiting it to once a week for 2020.. You getting those in town ? On way down from the station we normally stop by a market cafe which does them - but don't know if it will be open today ? Sorry for the late reply, but no not the market, but the corner bar in town.Best part of today actually..
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