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Post by einediemengedochsen on Dec 30, 2019 23:00:14 GMT 1
Fucking tossers! I was looking for any ticket deals earlier today, so I’d definitely have taken the boy down on Weds at £2.50 a throw. As it stands there’s absolutely no chance of me paying out £45 for the pair of us, I was hoping for a £10/£5 offer. Stoke? I hope they go fucking bust... Any reasonable person : The money in football now is obscene and bears no relation to most people’s reality. Stoke City : I know - lets discourage some poorer income kids and families from attending their local footy match in a small uncovered part of the ground on New Year’s Day. Absolute &£*@s! Hope we hammer them 25 nil.
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Post by drewden on Dec 30, 2019 23:57:48 GMT 1
Would be great if Danny Simpson starts in this one, just read a stat, that in 11 games he has played in, we have won 6, drawn 4, lost 1. = 22 points out of 33.
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Post by drewden on Dec 31, 2019 1:07:36 GMT 1
Fucking tossers! I was looking for any ticket deals earlier today, so I’d definitely have taken the boy down on Weds at £2.50 a throw. As it stands there’s absolutely no chance of me paying out £45 for the pair of us, I was hoping for a £10/£5 offer. Stoke? I hope they go fucking bust... Any reasonable person : The money in football now is obscene and bears no relation to most people’s reality. Stoke City : I know - lets discourage some poorer income kids and families from attending their local footy match in a small uncovered part of the ground on New Year’s Day. Absolute &£*@s! Hope we hammer them 25 nil. Hope the Cowleys have got the wind of this, could ignite a massive reason to smash em.
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Post by midlander on Dec 31, 2019 1:14:51 GMT 1
Whilst xG doesn't always relate to actual results short-term, it does give an indication as to longer-term performance trends. Stoke's xG this season ought to have them 5th in the league. Shows that in the balance of games, they don't do much wrong other than be clinical enough. Would also suggest that they ought to get out of danger. Forest are the division's biggest overachievers using the same stats. We are roughly where we should be. Be a very hard game on Wednesday. Would take a point happily.
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Post by BlueValour on Dec 31, 2019 1:21:00 GMT 1
It's unbelievable that stoke is not fighting for promotion with the players they have. In reality they have similar players to ours. Either overrated or wantaways. Only difference is we now have a decent manager that's brought some stability into the club. So have they. Michael O'Neill has been in charge for 10 games in which he has secured 13 points. In the first 10 games under Danny Cowley we got 15 points. OK, slightly better but nowhere near enough of a difference to draw any conclusions as to their respective merits.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 1:53:07 GMT 1
Fucking tossers! I was looking for any ticket deals earlier today, so I’d definitely have taken the boy down on Weds at £2.50 a throw. As it stands there’s absolutely no chance of me paying out £45 for the pair of us, I was hoping for a £10/£5 offer. Stoke? I hope they go fucking bust... Any reasonable person : The money in football now is obscene and bears no relation to most people’s reality. Stoke City : I know - lets discourage some poorer income kids and families from attending their local footy match in a small uncovered part of the ground on New Year’s Day. Absolute &£*@s! Hope we hammer them 25 nil. I think it's more likely that they're thinking they don't want us packing out the stadium with more home fans, thus reducing the home advantage to a small degree.
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Post by tobbyg on Dec 31, 2019 2:04:11 GMT 1
To be fair Stoke might have said only if they charge the away supporters the same, which I’d expect Town to do if it was the other way around.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 31, 2019 11:04:04 GMT 1
They are a much better side than their league position suggests. I’d be very happy with a point.
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Post by ldotm on Dec 31, 2019 11:15:57 GMT 1
They are a much better side than their league position suggests. I’d be very happy with a point. You’re an ambitious person aren’t you
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Post by terriersyndrome on Dec 31, 2019 12:30:31 GMT 1
Would be great if Danny Simpson starts in this one, just read a stat, that in 11 games he has played in, we have won 6, drawn 4, lost 1. = 22 points out of 33. He started against Preston & Middlesbrough & lost both of those.
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Post by Stiggy on Dec 31, 2019 13:01:17 GMT 1
Would be great if Danny Simpson starts in this one, just read a stat, that in 11 games he has played in, we have won 6, drawn 4, lost 1. = 22 points out of 33. He started against Preston & Middlesbrough & lost both of those. Correct.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 31, 2019 13:12:25 GMT 1
They are a much better side than their league position suggests. I’d be very happy with a point. You’re an ambitious person aren’t you I’ve not seen us win a game for over 13 months and not seen a home win for about 26 months. Draws are brilliant when I go. I’m not a once a season supporter either. I go to half the home games and five or six away each season.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 31, 2019 13:20:04 GMT 1
You’re an ambitious person aren’t you I’ve not seen us win a game for over 13 months and not seen a home win for about 26 months. Draws are brilliant when I go. I’m not a once a season supporter either. I go to half the home games and five or six away each season. That's unlucky, but you've a way to go yet to qualify as the world's most unlucky man. I remember an old QI - with Stephen Fry in the chair - which recounted the tale of an elderly Japanese chap who was in Hiroshima in 1945 when it was bombed. In the aftermath he jumped on a train and fled to Nagasaki - where he got bombed again. He survived both and lived to a ripe old age. But the most amazing thing about the whole tale was not his survival of two of the most dreadful bombings that the world has ever seen, but that the railway network continued to work amidst all of the chaos. Now look at the pitiful state of the railways in 2019 Britain...
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 31, 2019 13:23:19 GMT 1
They are a much better side than their league position suggests. I’d be very happy with a point. Their league position suggests nothing, it is a fact? They have won games and failed to take it on and all that suggests is their senior players cant or wont perform regularly and the rest are not able to cover it?, We are where we are for similar reasons and until proved otherwise it's a factual reflection of our season to date. On the evidence so far we can beat Stoke.
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Post by Ross83 on Dec 31, 2019 13:57:46 GMT 1
Would be great if Danny Simpson starts in this one, just read a stat, that in 11 games he has played in, we have won 6, drawn 4, lost 1. = 22 points out of 33. We look much more assured at the back when Simpson plays, absolute class at times.
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Post by drewden on Dec 31, 2019 13:59:44 GMT 1
Would be great if Danny Simpson starts in this one, just read a stat, that in 11 games he has played in, we have won 6, drawn 4, lost 1. = 22 points out of 33. He started against Preston & Middlesbrough & lost both of those. Wow, just shows what you read is not fact.
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Post by ponteterrier on Dec 31, 2019 14:21:58 GMT 1
2 nil town win. Mounie to scored from the halfway line this time. The second will be a Tom Ince own goal
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 31, 2019 14:26:39 GMT 1
They are a much better side than their league position suggests. I’d be very happy with a point. Their league position suggests nothing, it is a fact? They have won games and failed to take it on and all that suggests is their senior players cant or wont perform regularly and the rest are not able to cover it?, We are where we are for similar reasons and until proved otherwise it's a factual reflection of our season to date. On the evidence so far we can beat Stoke. I would argue that their league position does suggest that they are the 21st best side in the division. They aren’t. They have played well in a lot of games since O’Neill came in and not had their fair rewards. Luck does tend to even out over a larger number of games and they will finish higher than 21st. Our league position is a closer reflection of our ability. Hopefully, a couple of signings in Jan will help us finish a bit higher.
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Dec 31, 2019 14:48:18 GMT 1
They are a much better side than their league position suggests. I’d be very happy with a point. Their league position suggests nothing, it is a fact? They have won games and failed to take it on and all that suggests is their senior players cant or wont perform regularly and the rest are not able to cover it?, We are where we are for similar reasons and until proved otherwise it's a factual reflection of our season to date. On the evidence so far we can beat Stoke. Couldn't agree more.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 31, 2019 14:54:05 GMT 1
Their league position suggests nothing, it is a fact? They have won games and failed to take it on and all that suggests is their senior players cant or wont perform regularly and the rest are not able to cover it?, We are where we are for similar reasons and until proved otherwise it's a factual reflection of our season to date. On the evidence so far we can beat Stoke. Couldn't agree more. With what? The statement that we could beat Stoke. Not exactly rocket science is it? It’s a vacuous nothing statement. We could beat Man City, Barcelona, Stoke, Golcar or Emley. Each has a probability attached to it. I’d suggest the probability we beat Stoke is less than 40%.
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Post by sapphireblue on Dec 31, 2019 15:13:16 GMT 1
I would argue that their league position does suggest that they are the 21st best side in the division. They aren’t. They have played well in a lot of games since O’Neill came in and not had their fair rewards. Luck does tend to even out over a larger number of games and they will finish higher than 21st. Our league position is a closer reflection of our ability. Hopefully, a couple of signings in Jan will help us finish a bit higher. 1st bit, about Stoke, is probably correct. But why can't you use the same reasoning with Town? Our league position, like theirs, is negatively skewed by the start of the season under different management.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 31, 2019 15:16:49 GMT 1
The win over Blackburn means that a win isn't as crucial over Stoke but as tough a task as it may be - It is definitely a game in which we should target 3 points - as of right now though, I wouldn't be 'happy' with anything less than 3 points.
I fail to see how anyone who has followed Town this season can say our 20th place in the table is a reflection on our ability when the last 17 games have produced 27 points - good for 7th in the division in that timeframe, 17 games is over a third of the season and thus no longer a small sample size.
I expect Stoke to similarly turn the corner and get free of the relegation spots but their plight is a much tougher one than Town.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 31, 2019 15:19:30 GMT 1
I would argue that their league position does suggest that they are the 21st best side in the division. They aren’t. They have played well in a lot of games since O’Neill came in and not had their fair rewards. Luck does tend to even out over a larger number of games and they will finish higher than 21st. Our league position is a closer reflection of our ability. Hopefully, a couple of signings in Jan will help us finish a bit higher. 1st bit, about Stoke, is probably correct. But why can't you use the same reasoning with Town? Our league position, like theirs, is negatively skewed by the start of the season under different management. It’s a fair point and I would like to think that we are better than the current bottom 3 plus Charlton, Birmingham, maybe Derby and Blackburn but not so sure about anyone else. Incidentally, I predicted somewhere on this forum at the start of the season that, after a poor start, we’d finish 15th. I still think that would be a reasonable finish.
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Post by sapphireblue on Dec 31, 2019 15:23:25 GMT 1
In danger of getting carried away here but with a few players brought into key areas in January and I wouldn't be surprised to see us in or around the play-offs. Just said this on another thread. The next four games are against teams we have already beaten this season. UTT "Doubles" are fairly rare. I would be content with 2 out of 4. 6 points from 4 games would continue the slow but inexorable rise up the table.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 31, 2019 15:25:04 GMT 1
With what? The statement that we could beat Stoke. Not exactly rocket science is it? It’s a vacuous nothing statement. We could beat Man City, Barcelona, Stoke, Golcar or Emley. Each has a probability attached to it. I’d suggest the probability we beat Stoke is less than 40%. The facts of this season and the positions of the two named clubs suggest the probability that we will win. The rest is merely football speak about 'playing well and losing or better than they are showing' etc etc.. Luck after 20 odd games is also bollox.. Leeds put a huge amount of 50/50 balls into the opponents box, amazingly 'luck' sees them score a good amount and some own goals chucked in. Luck has little to do with it when you commit defensive suicide? Bad luck is rarely a goal conceded at the death that is anyone's fault other than your own. A decision goes against you, so what, get on with it. Mistakes and crap defending are not luck, its poor play. Possession stats are no longer any marker for the end result of many, many games. Stoke are where they are because the players and the wages do not coincide. The idea that at some point they will is a football speak way of explaining the disparity now, it's a hollow excuse or reason for the money failing.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 31, 2019 15:26:02 GMT 1
The win over Blackburn means that a win isn't as crucial over Stoke but as tough a task as it may be - It is definitely a game in which we should target 3 points - as of right now though, I wouldn't be 'happy' with anything less than 3 points. I fail to see how anyone who has followed Town this season can say our 20th place in the table is a reflection on our ability when the last 17 games have produced 27 points - good for 7th in the division in that timeframe. I expect Stoke to similarly turn the corner and get free of the relegation spots but their plight is a much tougher one than Town. Agree with this - a draw would, however, keep us 7 pts above them. A handy margin.
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Post by terrier10 on Dec 31, 2019 15:27:26 GMT 1
1st bit, about Stoke, is probably correct. But why can't you use the same reasoning with Town? Our league position, like theirs, is negatively skewed by the start of the season under different management. It’s a fair point and I would like to think that we are better than the current bottom 3 plus Charlton, Birmingham, maybe Derby and Blackburn but not so sure about anyone else. Incidentally, I predicted somewhere on this forum at the start of the season that, after a poor start, we’d finish 15th. I still think that would be a reasonable finish. As on another thread, we would be 13th based on form under the new Management Team, 4 points behind the play offs. I expect our final points tally will have us finish closer to the play offs than the relegation places.
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Post by sapphireblue on Dec 31, 2019 15:36:33 GMT 1
1st bit, about Stoke, is probably correct. But why can't you use the same reasoning with Town? Our league position, like theirs, is negatively skewed by the start of the season under different management. It’s a fair point and I would like to think that we are better than the current bottom 3 plus Charlton, Birmingham, maybe Derby and Blackburn but not so sure about anyone else. Incidentally, I predicted somewhere on this forum at the start of the season that, after a poor start, we’d finish 15th. I still think that would be a reasonable finish. Make you right on that as well. My prediction, at the moment, is to finish on 62-64 points, enough to finish between between 11th and 13th last year. To beat that Stoke would need 42 points from their remaining 21 games - League winning form - not gonna happen. Even if we "only" keep on as we have since the day the Cowleys took over, we will finish on 59 points. Again for Stoke to get 39 points is extremely unlikely.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 31, 2019 15:45:21 GMT 1
The win over Blackburn means that a win isn't as crucial over Stoke but as tough a task as it may be - It is definitely a game in which we should target 3 points - as of right now though, I wouldn't be 'happy' with anything less than 3 points. I fail to see how anyone who has followed Town this season can say our 20th place in the table is a reflection on our ability when the last 17 games have produced 27 points - good for 7th in the division in that timeframe. I expect Stoke to similarly turn the corner and get free of the relegation spots but their plight is a much tougher one than Town. Agree with this - a draw would, however, keep us 7 pts above them. A handy margin. Stoke have also lost 6 of their last 7 away games, their sole win in that time came at Barnsley before bonfire night. A draw at home to a side on that run would be a disappointing result, however, circumstances during the actual game could change that perception.
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 31, 2019 15:49:47 GMT 1
Agree with this - a draw would, however, keep us 7 pts above them. A handy margin. Stoke have also lost 6 of their last 7 away games, their sole win in that time came at Barnsley before bonfire night. A draw at home to a side on that run would be a disappointing result, however, circumstances during the actual game could change that perception. Before you posted I was convinced we will beat stoke but now you’ve just said they’ve lost 6 out of the last 7, I’m changing my prediction to a stoke comfortable win.
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