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Post by terrier10 on Jul 5, 2020 0:36:01 GMT 1
Drifted to 10/1 after today’s results.
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Post by BlueValour on Jul 5, 2020 3:52:59 GMT 1
Drifted to 10/1 after today’s results. With the possibility of Wigan's appeal succeeding this looks worth a saving bet. |
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Post by stinkypete on Jul 5, 2020 9:03:13 GMT 1
But if Wigan appeal and win, then the team relegated instead of them have every right to also appeal. Rules are rules.
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Jul 5, 2020 9:38:58 GMT 1
Not quite sure what Wigan would be appealing over.
They are in administration. They don’t have enough money to pay their players. Therefore they lose the points. It’s that simple. Other clubs have had crap owners in the past, it’s the luck of the draw.
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Post by ruggedivy on Jul 5, 2020 9:57:01 GMT 1
Wigan arent going to be winning any appeal. The points deduction will stand.
Hence the bookies price!
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Post by araucaria on Jul 5, 2020 10:29:19 GMT 1
Drifted to 10/1 after today’s results. But still only Skybet giving any odds. Very strange. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 11:37:36 GMT 1
Not quite sure what Wigan would be appealing over. They are in administration. They don’t have enough money to pay their players. Therefore they lose the points. It’s that simple. Other clubs have had crap owners in the past, it’s the luck of the draw. Quite right - I thought it odd that they seem to be basing the appeal on the grounds of "...our owner is a right twat so please let us off". The situation got me thinking about some of the crooks that have screwed over football clubs in the past - Blackpool, Wrexham and Donny spring to mind. I think I remember the Doncaster owner hiring someone to set fire to their old stadium. He can't have been very bright though as he bought the petrol from a garage over the road from the stadium and the police traced him and both him and the owner were jailed? |
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Post by detox on Jul 5, 2020 14:16:07 GMT 1
So have the EFL actually stated categorically that wigan will be docked 12 points, and if so at what point will these be actually applied so we can see it on the published league tables.? I'm still waiting to hear as regards Wednesday and Derby...maybe it'll take another year or two before they decide ?..
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Post by herefordaway on Jul 5, 2020 14:32:30 GMT 1
At the end of the season it appears,theres a link on page 9 of Wigan in administration thread
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Post by Melc on Jul 5, 2020 14:58:28 GMT 1
Wigan arent going to be winning any appeal. The points deduction will stand. Hence the bookies price! Not sure myself how they could get out of a points deduction, Whelan will have done due diligence on the buyer before selling just like any other club that has found themselves in the same position and have taken the hit on points! |
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Post by clayts on Jul 5, 2020 15:01:07 GMT 1
Not quite sure what Wigan would be appealing over. They are in administration. They don’t have enough money to pay their players. Therefore they lose the points. It’s that simple. Other clubs have had crap owners in the past, it’s the luck of the draw. Quite right - I thought it odd that they seem to be basing the appeal on the grounds of "...our owner is a right twat so please let us off". The situation got me thinking about some of the crooks that have screwed over football clubs in the past - Blackpool, Wrexham and Donny spring to mind. I think I remember the Doncaster owner hiring someone to set fire to their old stadium. He can't have been very bright though as he bought the petrol from a garage over the road from the stadium and the police traced him and both him and the owner were jailed? A mobile phone was left at the scene which had been used to call the owner as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 17:02:43 GMT 1
Quite right - I thought it odd that they seem to be basing the appeal on the grounds of "...our owner is a right twat so please let us off". The situation got me thinking about some of the crooks that have screwed over football clubs in the past - Blackpool, Wrexham and Donny spring to mind. I think I remember the Doncaster owner hiring someone to set fire to their old stadium. He can't have been very bright though as he bought the petrol from a garage over the road from the stadium and the police traced him and both him and the owner were jailed? A mobile phone was left at the scene which had been used to call the owner as well. Ha - forgot about that! |
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Post by terrier10 on Jul 5, 2020 18:05:28 GMT 1
And now out to 12/1 following today’s games.
Still tempted for a “just in case” bet to cover next year’s season ticket!
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Post by ambryboy on Jul 5, 2020 18:11:59 GMT 1
Wigan arent going to be winning any appeal. The points deduction will stand. Hence the bookies price! Not sure myself how they could get out of a points deduction, Whelan will have done due diligence on the buyer before selling just like any other club that has found themselves in the same position and have taken the hit on points! I suspect Whelan's 'due diligence' will have been along the lines of is the money in my account?Check Right where do I sign? |
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Post by Camel Grabber on Jul 5, 2020 21:03:43 GMT 1
It's all a bit weird what is going at Wigan, the Hong Kong lad bought 51% and his mate had 49%
Something to do with accounts in Hong Kong, but basically, the 51% got passed to his mate, who can't afford to have a 100% stake. Knew what would happen but this is easier than getting in trouble back in Hong Kong for financial crimes
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Post by BlueValour on Jul 5, 2020 22:27:09 GMT 1
And now out to 12/1 following today’s games. Still tempted for a “just in case” bet to cover next year’s season ticket! 12/1 was the price just after the break. It shortened sharply when we lost to Wigan and now drifted again. |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Oct 12, 2021 10:41:58 GMT 1
Bumping this, as... "If one person watches it and says 'I need help' that would be a major success story for me. I wouldn't wish this on anybody." Pity he's not on here any more, because the serial success story we all know and love as otium (EPBS) would doubtless have been all over this, as will all those who will tell us they don't have a problem (they may well not have one), but if you didn't watch it, it is doubtless on Iplayer and worth a look (IMO) for Merson's honesty. t.co/o4kYcP1qzP?amp=1 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 13:06:13 GMT 1
Bumping this, as... "If one person watches it and says 'I need help' that would be a major success story for me. I wouldn't wish this on anybody." Pity he's not on here any more, because the serial success story we all know and love as otium (EPBS) would doubtless have been all over this, as will all those who will tell us they don't have a problem (they may well not have one), but if you didn't watch it, it is doubtless on Iplayer and worth a look (IMO) for Merson's honesty. t.co/o4kYcP1qzP?amp=1WOW! I just read the article, will watch the prog later, and am blown away by the facts & scientific claims. I, as a non-gambler, but more on that later, always thought gamblers were tossers for not seeing the blindingly obvious bookies/systems percentages & the punters losses & deceiving themselves into thinking they could win (successful professional gamblers aside). To be fair to myself, my first observation was a mate at work who gambled his wage away in a pub machine every night, but he was a tosser for additional reasons, so that influenced me! I feel for such people like Merson & my work mate on the basis on this article info. I contrast it to my experience of gambling, i.e. brain reaction. I have never bought a lottery ticket or even joined a Grand National syndicate at work, bot once I did gamble. I responded to a get rich quick mail shot many years ago that was a horse & football related gambling advice scheme. I bet less than a thousandth of my instant access saving on each punt, one per day, and within 10 days it was apparent that the system claims were bogus. I am intentionally not giving actual figures, but for perspective, if I had £1000 in the bank my bet was under £1 & if I had £100,000 deposited my bet was under £100! In contrast to Merson, & probably my mate et al, when I placed a bet I felt nauseous and when I realised I was not winning within 10 days my brain hurt that much that I also got a headache with the nausea for several days & had to self medicate it felt that that bad. Probably I'm an extreme case, but such a opposite reaction 40 years ago, convinces me totally that Merson's explanation is credible! Interestingly big business investments don't have the same effect. Beware anyone like Merson or even in the midground, but at least people like me are safe. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Oct 12, 2021 17:27:36 GMT 1
Your mate at work, maybe a tosser but I bet he’s chuffed to bits you’ve got his back 🤔. The power of a solid friendship warms the heart, nothing like a good old mate.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 12, 2021 18:00:14 GMT 1
Bumping this, as... "If one person watches it and says 'I need help' that would be a major success story for me. I wouldn't wish this on anybody." Pity he's not on here any more, because the serial success story we all know and love as otium (EPBS) would doubtless have been all over this, as will all those who will tell us they don't have a problem (they may well not have one), but if you didn't watch it, it is doubtless on Iplayer and worth a look (IMO) for Merson's honesty. t.co/o4kYcP1qzP?amp=1WOW! I just read the article, will watch the prog later, and am blown away by the facts & scientific claims. I, as a non-gambler, but more on that later, always thought gamblers were tossers for not seeing the blindingly obvious bookies/systems percentages & the punters losses & deceiving themselves into thinking they could win (successful professional gamblers aside). To be fair to myself, my first observation was a mate at work who gambled his wage away in a pub machine every night, but he was a tosser for additional reasons, so that influenced me! I feel for such people like Merson & my work mate on the basis on this article info. I contrast it to my experience of gambling, i.e. brain reaction. I have never bought a lottery ticket or even joined a Grand National syndicate at work, bot once I did gamble. I responded to a get rich quick mail shot many years ago that was a horse & football related gambling advice scheme. I bet less than a thousandth of my instant access saving on each punt, one per day, and within 10 days it was apparent that the system claims were bogus. I am intentionally not giving actual figures, but for perspective, if I had £1000 in the bank my bet was under £1 & if I had £100,000 deposited my bet was under £100! In contrast to Merson, & probably my mate et al, when I placed a bet I felt nauseous and when I realised I was not winning within 10 days my brain hurt that much that I also got a headache with the nausea for several days & had to self medicate it felt that that bad. Probably I'm an extreme case, but such a opposite reaction 40 years ago, convinces me totally that Merson's explanation is credible! Interestingly big business investments don't have the same effect. Beware anyone like Merson or even in the midground, but at least people like me are safe. What do you spend your money on Steve? Am I allowed to call you a 'tosser" based on your leisure interests? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 18:19:13 GMT 1
WOW! I just read the article, will watch the prog later, and am blown away by the facts & scientific claims. I, as a non-gambler, but more on that later, always thought gamblers were tossers for not seeing the blindingly obvious bookies/systems percentages & the punters losses & deceiving themselves into thinking they could win (successful professional gamblers aside). To be fair to myself, my first observation was a mate at work who gambled his wage away in a pub machine every night, but he was a tosser for additional reasons, so that influenced me! I feel for such people like Merson & my work mate on the basis on this article info. I contrast it to my experience of gambling, i.e. brain reaction. I have never bought a lottery ticket or even joined a Grand National syndicate at work, bot once I did gamble. I responded to a get rich quick mail shot many years ago that was a horse & football related gambling advice scheme. I bet less than a thousandth of my instant access saving on each punt, one per day, and within 10 days it was apparent that the system claims were bogus. I am intentionally not giving actual figures, but for perspective, if I had £1000 in the bank my bet was under £1 & if I had £100,000 deposited my bet was under £100! In contrast to Merson, & probably my mate et al, when I placed a bet I felt nauseous and when I realised I was not winning within 10 days my brain hurt that much that I also got a headache with the nausea for several days & had to self medicate it felt that that bad. Probably I'm an extreme case, but such a opposite reaction 40 years ago, convinces me totally that Merson's explanation is credible! Interestingly big business investments don't have the same effect. Beware anyone like Merson or even in the midground, but at least people like me are safe. What do you spend your money on Steve? Am I allowed to call you a 'tosser" based on your leisure interests? Clearly not on gambling! Where did indicate any of my leisure interests? Which would like to assess me on, just those that cost money or free ones too? Current, past or future? I bet your number one leisure interest is maximising your posts on football forums! Does that make you a tosser, or me one for saying I just learned something about gambling addiction, that I could never personally experience? Perhaps others will learn from Merson, or from my opposite brain response; there sure as hell won't be a program about my anti-gambling brain response? Being human is different for everyone! |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 12, 2021 18:25:34 GMT 1
What do you spend your money on Steve? Am I allowed to call you a 'tosser" based on your leisure interests? Clearly not on gambling! Where did indicate any of my leisure interests? Which would like to assess me on, just those that cost money or free ones too? Current, past or future? I bet your number one leisure interest is maximising your posts on football forums! Does that make you a tosser, or me one for saying I just learned something about gambling addiction, that I could never personally experience? Perhaps others will learn from Merson, or from my opposite brain response; there sure as hell won't be a program about my anti-gambling brain response? Being human is different for everyone! Youre calling gamblers tossers ? Not all gamblers are a) addicted and betting out of their means b) successful. For most people it's a leisure pursuit . I don't gamble because I think its going to make me money. So does this make me a tosser ? Personally I find people who spend their dough on motorbikes, golfing paraphernalia and caravans are USUALLY tossers . But I wouldn't tar them all with the same brush as you appear to be doing You are such a fucking rude man its unbelievable. Having autism does not give someone licence to be a 24 7 penis . Maybe you should think before you engage your keyboard a bit more ? |
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Post by sabailand on Oct 12, 2021 18:28:20 GMT 1
Bumping this, as... "If one person watches it and says 'I need help' that would be a major success story for me. I wouldn't wish this on anybody." Pity he's not on here any more, because the serial success story we all know and love as otium (EPBS) would doubtless have been all over this, as will all those who will tell us they don't have a problem (they may well not have one), but if you didn't watch it, it is doubtless on Iplayer and worth a look (IMO) for Merson's honesty. t.co/o4kYcP1qzP?amp=1WOW! I just read the article, will watch the prog later, and am blown away by the facts & scientific claims. I, as a non-gambler, but more on that later, always thought gamblers were tossers for not seeing the blindingly obvious bookies/systems percentages & the punters losses & deceiving themselves into thinking they could win (successful professional gamblers aside). To be fair to myself, my first observation was a mate at work who gambled his wage away in a pub machine every night, but he was a tosser for additional reasons, so that influenced me! I feel for such people like Merson & my work mate on the basis on this article info. I contrast it to my experience of gambling, i.e. brain reaction. I have never bought a lottery ticket or even joined a Grand National syndicate at work, bot once I did gamble. I responded to a get rich quick mail shot many years ago that was a horse & football related gambling advice scheme. I bet less than a thousandth of my instant access saving on each punt, one per day, and within 10 days it was apparent that the system claims were bogus. I am intentionally not giving actual figures, but for perspective, if I had £1000 in the bank my bet was under £1 & if I had £100,000 deposited my bet was under £100! In contrast to Merson, & probably my mate et al, when I placed a bet I felt nauseous and when I realised I was not winning within 10 days my brain hurt that much that I also got a headache with the nausea for several days & had to self medicate it felt that that bad. Probably I'm an extreme case, but such a opposite reaction 40 years ago, convinces me totally that Merson's explanation is credible! Interestingly big business investments don't have the same effect. Beware anyone like Merson or even in the midground, but at least people like me are safe. I`ve got mates who do the football bets most weekends, what i`ve noticed is that when they have decent win say a few hundred quid they tell you and others about it, they`ve even shown their winning slips to me to prove it, fair enough they`re chuffed to bits and i`d probabaly do the same, but rest of the time they barely say a word about their bets and although i cant know for certain it says they aren't winning (or perhaps winning only small amounts}, i imagine over a year(s) their losses far outweigh any gains, for most at least. Not knocking gambling, it can be fun, and for all the problem gamblers there are loads who know when to call it a day. |
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Post by Toxic Ted on Oct 12, 2021 18:53:20 GMT 1
The whole gambling industry makes me feel sick. The way they harvest their (known) ‘customers’ with problems to maximise their profit is despicable.
The entire marketing of gambling is to normalise it, make it seem like a fun, trendy thing that blokes just do.
I’m with Steve (FML!), I have an analytical mind with which I can dispassionately run the numbers. I have many, many friends who are less ‘rainman’ and don’t see gambling as a logical process. To them it’s impulsive, passionate and adventurous. I really aren’t joking about feeling physically nauseous when seeing some people ruining their own lives whilst not knowing they have a very unhealthy relationship with betting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 19:40:29 GMT 1
Clearly not on gambling! Where did indicate any of my leisure interests? Which would like to assess me on, just those that cost money or free ones too? Current, past or future? I bet your number one leisure interest is maximising your posts on football forums! Does that make you a tosser, or me one for saying I just learned something about gambling addiction, that I could never personally experience? Perhaps others will learn from Merson, or from my opposite brain response; there sure as hell won't be a program about my anti-gambling brain response? Being human is different for everyone! Youre calling gamblers tossers ? Not all gamblers are a) addicted and betting out of their means b) successful. For most people it's a leisure pursuit . I don't gamble because I think its going to make me money. So does this make me a tosser ? Personally I find people who spend their dough on motorbikes, golfing paraphernalia and caravans are USUALLY tossers . But I wouldn't tar them all with the same brush as you appear to be doing You are such a fucking rude man its unbelievable. Having autism does not give someone licence to be a 24 7 penis . Maybe you should think before you engage your keyboard a bit more ? Why are you twisting my words? Can you you not see that I just learned something & reflected on a life long, to date, assumption that those I have known that gambled I thought were tossers. I used 1 example the first I new, who was a tosser in other respects, I said it affected my perception. I haven't known many who gamble, at least not enough to dissuade me of my initial assessment, less than 6, all lost massively, but didn't do the maths; they were in denial. Am I not supposed to learn from Merson and his experience? Perhaps learn from the responses of others on here? I have never had a conversation on gambling with anyone who might fit the type you may be inferring, i.e. leisure gamblers who say they lose, break even, or make a slight profit 'with accuracy', assuming I interpret your point correctly, so how could I have taken such into account? Edit: I forgot to mention my nephew is a manager of a bookies, not something we discuss, just like my profession. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 12, 2021 19:52:41 GMT 1
I have never had a conversation on gambling with anyone who might fit the type you may be inferring, i.e. leisure gamblers who say they lose, break even, or make a slight profit 'with accuracy',
You have you are talking to me now on here ..
I follow mersons story with interest . The heart bleeds for what he has put his family through . Gambling addiction wrecks lives . And the only "problem gamblers " for betting companies are the ones who win . They are absolute snakes
I just take exception to everyone who likes a punt being a tosser . Apologies if you're not saying that
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Post by tvor on Oct 12, 2021 20:00:45 GMT 1
Watched this a while back and it’s illuminating stuff. Always the chance that even if you start winning big, then the bookies will limit your stakes. Online, at least. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07hjnl6 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 20:03:16 GMT 1
I have never had a conversation on gambling with anyone who might fit the type you may be inferring, i.e. leisure gamblers who say they lose, break even, or make a slight profit 'with accuracy', You have you are talking to me now on here .. I follow mersons story with interest . The heart bleeds for what he has put his family through . Gambling addiction wrecks lives . And the only "problem gamblers " for betting companies are the ones who win . They are absolute snakes I just take exception to everyone who likes a punt being a tosser . Apologies if you're not saying that I have only known a few, don't even know if my nephew bets as a bookies manager, how can I be referring to all, it's an assessment of my experience. If I had a conversation with Merson perhaps my analysis would have told me what he is now saying, I can't know. You haven't told me enough about your gambling for me to make an assessment, are you a tosser, a Merson, or something moderate? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 12, 2021 20:04:49 GMT 1
Watched this a while back and it’s illuminating stuff. Always the chance that even if you start winning big, then the bookies will limit your stakes. Online, at least. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07hjnl6 The single most difficult thing for.people who successfully bet is not picking the selections . Its getting the bets on . If you place "wise bets" you get accounts closed and limited . Successful gamblers have worldwide networks to try and overcome the problem . Betting companies are already licking their wounds at FOBTs being limited .. they are only happy when people are losing. Its a treacherous industry |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Oct 12, 2021 20:50:02 GMT 1
Watched this a while back and it’s illuminating stuff. Always the chance that even if you start winning big, then the bookies will limit your stakes. Online, at least. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07hjnl6 The single most difficult thing for.people who successfully bet is not picking the selections . Its getting the bets on . If you place "wise bets" you get accounts closed and limited . Successful gamblers have worldwide networks to try and overcome the problem . Betting companies are already licking their wounds at FOBTs being limited .. they are only happy when people are losing. Its a treacherous industry Absolutely spot on , the bookies are the real tosser in this industry take from the needy and stop the wiser gamblers from participating properly. Life throws many ways to make a gamble though and the majority participate in some form of gamble just often more calculated and mostly safer. Investing in buy to lets / shares / pensions / etc. Life is often one big gamble we just don’t realise. Getting married probably the biggest of them all 😂 |
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