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Post by royrace on Oct 30, 2020 12:12:16 GMT 1
What Phil says sort of makes sense. There is some spin there but the overall message is we've spent half of what it would have cost because they don't feel some parts are needed. If that is the case then fine by me, if it means the 6m then gets invested in the playing squad instead. You also have to remember the chairman, CEO and board has changed since that announcement, and like any business they will have their own views and priorities. Is that what's been said? We've taken in tens of millions in transfer fees and saved tens of thousands per week on wages and spent bugger all so Im no longer expecting anything to be re-invested. Happy if they have said it will be though? |
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Post by incognito on Oct 30, 2020 12:33:35 GMT 1
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Post by Sio on Oct 30, 2020 12:51:11 GMT 1
Another piece of naff promotional material to add to the long list. The whole video seems so underprepared.
Tidy the place up, empty it out for a day, and do some fancy fly-through shots of the renovations. Instead we've got Delvin and AT awkwardly stumbling around the place with the camera barely even showing the facilities. The club just hasn't got a clue how to present itself. It's so, so amateurish.
And whoever let our graphic design chap go to town on the interior wants sacking.
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Post by incognito on Oct 30, 2020 13:01:44 GMT 1
What Phil says sort of makes sense. There is some spin there but the overall message is we've spent half of what it would have cost because they don't feel some parts are needed. If that is the case then fine by me, if it means the 6m then gets invested in the playing squad instead. You also have to remember the chairman, CEO and board has changed since that announcement, and like any business they will have their own views and priorities. To be fair to him, I had always struggled to understand how the total construction costs could possibly amount to GBP 20M, based on the planning documents submitted to Kirklees (For what it's worth, my own estimate for the main building was also 6M - 3k sqm at £2k/sqm). |
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Post by artysid on Oct 30, 2020 13:03:24 GMT 1
I preferred this one I don't get why they built all that stuff, did all the landscaping etc, for the 2nd video and then knocked it all down again  |
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Post by incognito on Oct 30, 2020 13:03:47 GMT 1
Another piece of naff promotional material to add to the long list. The whole video seems so underprepared. Tidy the place up, empty it out for a day, and do some fancy fly-through shots of the renovations. Instead we've got Delvin and AT awkwardly stumbling around the place with the camera barely even showing the facilities. The club just hasn't got a clue how to present itself. It's so, so amateurish. And whoever let our graphic design chap go to town on the interior wants sacking. You'd have thought Devlin could have at least invested a few minutes beforehand to consider what he was going to say, rather than freestyle waffle. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 13:04:31 GMT 1
Another piece of naff promotional material to add to the long list. The whole video seems so underprepared. Tidy the place up, empty it out for a day, and do some fancy fly-through shots of the renovations. Instead we've got Delvin and AT awkwardly stumbling around the place with the camera barely even showing the facilities. The club just hasn't got a clue how to present itself. It's so, so amateurish. And whoever let our graphic design chap go to town on the interior wants sacking. You may be right, but only the fans are going to watch it. Most of them don’t give a hoot what the production values are like. It’s not designed to attract revenue, bring in sponsors or show off to the outside world. |
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Post by Sio on Oct 30, 2020 13:08:16 GMT 1
Another piece of naff promotional material to add to the long list. The whole video seems so underprepared. Tidy the place up, empty it out for a day, and do some fancy fly-through shots of the renovations. Instead we've got Delvin and AT awkwardly stumbling around the place with the camera barely even showing the facilities. The club just hasn't got a clue how to present itself. It's so, so amateurish. And whoever let our graphic design chap go to town on the interior wants sacking. You may be right, but only the fans are going to watch it. Most of them don’t give a hoot what the production values are like. It’s not designed to attract revenue, bring in sponsors or show off to the outside world. Yeah, fair point. I guess I've just come to expect really low standards from our output teams, and this is another example. Considering the club are well aware of the original plans, you'd have thought they'd have done everything to make this look stylish, tidy and presented to the highest standard possible (as a consolation if nothing else). But you're right, ultimately it's only our fans who will care, so maybe it doesn't matter too much. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 13:17:46 GMT 1
You may be right, but only the fans are going to watch it. Most of them don’t give a hoot what the production values are like. It’s not designed to attract revenue, bring in sponsors or show off to the outside world. Yeah, fair point. I guess I've just come to expect really low standards from our output teams, and this is another example. Considering the club are well aware of the original plans, you'd have thought they'd have done everything to make this look stylish, tidy and presented to the highest standard possible (as a consolation if nothing else). But you're right, ultimately it's only our fans who will care, so maybe it doesn't matter too much. I think it’s more a case that they wanted to rush it out after a tough few weeks where they have taken flack from many angles. They wanted something in the public domain to show that investment has been made behind the scenes. It is indicative of the perceived lack of foresight and planning that exudes many areas. A video hurried together as a reaction to fan criticism and questioning rather than being made, edited and released on the club’s terms and timetable. |
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Post by benhomly on Oct 30, 2020 13:26:02 GMT 1
Found it. "£15 - £20 million" "Town’s development plan represents a major investment in the Club’s facilities and the community - Huddersfield Town reveals new plans for its training complex - Major investment made to Town’s facilities - Comments from Chief Executive Julian Winter Huddersfield Town is delighted to reveal plans for a major redevelopment of its training complex, PPG Canalside, designed to bring the facility up to the highest of Premier League standards. The redevelopment represents a major investment in the Club’s facilities and the community, with an estimated £15 million to £20 million committed to the project by Chairman Dean Hoyle and the Board of Directors. The new plans, which are timetabled to be completed in time for the 2020/21 pre-season, will create a new level of elite sports environment for Huddersfield Town’s First Team and Academy. A new showpiece pitch will be created during the first stage of the work, which is being managed by Preston-based Frank Whittle Partnership Group, on newly-acquired land to the north east of the site. Like the pitch at the John Smith’s Stadium, the new pitch will be a hybrid Desso GrassMaster surface, complete with undersoil heating, high-spec floodlights, and a covered stand for supporters (shown below). The second stage will see the creation of a new First Team building that includes state-of-the-art facilities for the players, including a hydrotherapy suite, new changing rooms (shown below) and gymnasiums, medical treatment areas, analysis theatre, a new media suite and office and dining spaces for staff. The building will feature a corner-point that will be loosely based on a modern interpretation of the Victoria Tower on Castle Hill, one of Huddersfield’s most iconic landmarks. The Club is now able to reveal the provisional plans following a public exhibition, held at PPG Canalside on Monday evening, where fans were invited to come and give their feedback on the proposals. If you couldn’t make it to the public consultation, you are still invited to give your feedback on the proposals. Please email ppg@htafc.com before 5pm on Monday 17 September 2018. As part of Huddersfield Town’s continued commitment to the community, a proposal to improve the facilities at Leeds Road Sports Complex is also being worked on, where the public provision currently housed at PPG Canalside would be offered. These plans will be revealed soon. Huddersfield Town’s Chief Executive Julian Winter commented: “We’re delighted that, after some very hard work from several parties, we’ve reached the stage to be able to reveal our provisional plans for PPG Canalside to our supporters. “It’s been fantastic to see the response to the initial announcement and to hear directly from fans in the early stages of our consultation process. It’s clear that they all understand how important these plans are to the long-term, sustainable success of their football club. “This represents a very significant investment from the Chairman and the football club in turning PPG Canalside into an elite sports environment. We’re a Club that prides itself on developing players and this stage-of-the-art training complex will be a huge asset to the technical staff in that goal.” Julian concluded: “We’re also a club that prides itself on being at the heart of its community, and we’re equally committed to continuing to provide great facilities for the fans and wider people of Kirklees to use. “As such, we’re planning to switch the existing public-facing element of PPG Canalside to brand new, dedicated facilities that we are funding and planning alongside Kirklees Council and Kirklees Active Leisure at a new-look Leeds Road Sports Complex, which I hope we can share in the near-term.” The Way Back Machine is your friend
This bit is significant. We had a Chairman then who had the financial clout to make it happen and this was before he got ill and decided to sell the club. I really can't see why folk are getting their knickers in a twist over this. The facilities are fine for a Championship club and the most important thing here is what the players and coaches think of the facilities. People understandably get their knickers in a twist about it because they’re told one thing and something different happens. If they’d said that our Premier League legacy would be to build this club a top end Championship facility to make this club competitive in the 2nd tier as a minimum for years to come then most if not all would’ve been happy with that. But it’s just another example of ridiculous statements made by the club over the Deano years. Two others being ‘we’re no longer a selling club’ (every club is a selling club) and ‘we will not sleepwalk to relegation ‘ (although that was true to be fair as we went into it in a full coma). In reality it would have been ridiculous to do the other half of the investment anyway. How much would it have cost to maintain an accommodation block for the academy on an annual basis do we think? A million quid a year? Where would that have come from? How many bottom end Premiership clubs have that kind of facility let alone Championship clubs? |
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Post by impact on Oct 30, 2020 13:42:34 GMT 1
What Phil says sort of makes sense. There is some spin there but the overall message is we've spent half of what it would have cost because they don't feel some parts are needed. If that is the case then fine by me, if it means the 6m then gets invested in the playing squad instead. You also have to remember the chairman, CEO and board has changed since that announcement, and like any business they will have their own views and priorities. Is that what's been said? We've taken in tens of millions in transfer fees and saved tens of thousands per week on wages and spent bugger all so Im no longer expecting anything to be re-invested. Happy if they have said it will be though? No, but I said if it does happen then I'm OK with it. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Oct 30, 2020 13:47:20 GMT 1
recd this via email from Steve Chicken / Examiner Live note the typo in bold....if only.  for a minute i thought it was the return of VLP or a sixth striker. Huddersfield Town chairman Phil Hodgkinson has explained why the club’s PPG Canalside training facility has not undergone quite the scale of redevelopment fans had expected. The Terriers faithful have raised concerns that the building work had been scaled back from the plans that were presented to the public in 2018, which were then heralded as a £20m project including the construction of a swanky new three-storey main building. Construction crews began work on the renovations last year, but supporters have been confused that new building has not materialised. The club have now moved to show the work that has been completed, releasing a video and a press release showing the renovations and new constructions that have taken place over the last year or so. Speaking exclusively to the Examiner, Hodgkinson explained: “The original Canalside development, the all-signing all dancing one, the actual cost of that when it was all totted up was £12m, not £20m, so that was going to be the overall cost. “£6m of that was all the work that we’ve done, so we’ve spent just over £6m on developing Canalside. A good chunk of that was spent last season. “The balance of that [the other £6m] was the new building. Now, the reality was that the new building, the three-storey new building that was put out in the original videos etc, that was an amalgamation of our former CEO asking everyone on the football side what they’d like in a facility and then it was all put together. That changed many many times. “That new building was always for if we were in the Premier League, so the intention was that that was the facility. The reality is we’ve spent over £6m on Canalside since that was announced. The only part that’s left is that building and when you look at our facilities here they are top-end Championship facilities. “So from my perspective the new building is just a newer, nicer-looking version of the facilities we’ve already got here and it does not made good solid commercial sense to spend £6m on that until such a time as we’re in a position to do so. “It’s one of those where you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t but we’ve invested over £6m in this facility. It’s a fantastic facility, everybody that comes here… “There’s a few finishing touches that we couldn’t get completed because of covid when we went into lockdown, so the bits that make it look pretty that you can see from the road haven’t been done yet but they will be. We just had to pull all the workmen off the site and it’s not at the top of the priority list right now but it will get done. “We’ve invested everything that we believe should be and if and when it becomes appropriate we’ll finish it off, but we don’t feel as a football club that it’s an appropriate investment at this moment in time. We want to sit on our cash and be sensible.” The three-storey building seen on the original planning application for the Canalside renovations would have included accommodation for players – particularly academy scholars – plus office space to allow some staff who worked at the John Smith’s Stadium to move in to Canalside, as well as additional football facilities. However, the club have explained that the accommodation is now being fulfilled by a new partnership with Rishworth School that was announced in August, while what was previously the public bar, snooker room and conference room have been converted into offices alongside a small area fit for press conferences and player interviews. That has allowed media staff to move to Canalside, freeing up extra office space at the stadium for those members of staff who remain based there. Hodgkinson said: “The office staff at the football club are going to move into the office space at the stadium that’s now been freed up by the work we’ve done at Canalside. So in reality that £6m building is now a £3-4m building because we don’t need all of it. “ It was never a £20m development at any point. Even with all the bells and whistles it was £12m tops.“But for me that is something that is a Premier League facility, and we’ll see what the future brings and we may revisit it.” So Phil is now telling us we cannot trust a word the club say? Where was the uproar if the Examiner had falsely reported a 20M development when it was 12M max? The whole thing stinks IMO, the real problem is we announce a 20M super development as our Premier League legacy & we get what looks like it might be a decent championship facility at less than 1/3 of the cost & we're supposed to be happy. Don't bullshit us, if they'd said they were going to upgrade the facility by 6M, everyone would have thought fair play. As to the video itself, what a load of crap.... we could hardly get the feel of how it looks outside or inside, the flow of it...nothing. Really poor all round. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 30, 2020 13:48:13 GMT 1
This bit is significant. We had a Chairman then who had the financial clout to make it happen and this was before he got ill and decided to sell the club. further development phases ar I really can't see why folk are getting their knickers in a twist over this. The facilities are fine for a Championship club and the most important thing here is what the players and coaches think of the facilities. Except by this stage, we weren't spending Dean's money. This was Premier League money. Yes, it's a commitment from the Chairman AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. But it's just how they're deciding to slice the pie, surely? Its still Dean Hoyle's land that its built on and how do you know that it wasn't his money? There's no mention anywhere in the club's accounts for the 2018/9 season that £20m has been set aside for the training ground. This was just a made up figure by Julian Winter who's no longer on the board. The accounts do reveal that capital expenditure was £3.3m and that was chiefly spent on the new floodlit pitch at Canalside. It goes on to say (on page 6) that "additional work is now in progress at the training ground and further development phases are being planned for the years ahead to ensure that this facility is continuously improved". In other words the completion date for this is still some way off. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 30, 2020 13:52:52 GMT 1
This bit is significant. We had a Chairman then who had the financial clout to make it happen and this was before he got ill and decided to sell the club. I really can't see why folk are getting their knickers in a twist over this. The facilities are fine for a Championship club and the most important thing here is what the players and coaches think of the facilities. People understandably get their knickers in a twist about it because they’re told one thing and something different happens. If they’d said that our Premier League legacy would be to build this club a top end Championship facility to make this club competitive in the 2nd tier as a minimum for years to come then most if not all would’ve been happy with that. But it’s just another example of ridiculous statements made by the club over the Deano years. Two others being ‘we’re no longer a selling club’ (every club is a selling club) and ‘we will not sleepwalk to relegation ‘ (although that was true to be fair as we went into it in a full coma). In reality it would have been ridiculous to do the other half of the investment anyway. How much would it have cost to maintain an accommodation block for the academy on an annual basis do we think? A million quid a year? Where would that have come from? How many bottom end Premiership clubs have that kind of facility let alone Championship clubs? Quite right, but that's now being used as a stick to beat Phil with. I wouldn't normally defend Phil and wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him, but the big announcement on the training ground was made well before he took over. |
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Post by detox on Oct 30, 2020 13:57:09 GMT 1
I think that's pretty good tbh.We've had to come a long way from shared facilities and trekking through the mud to watch academy games. The investment in the pitches is incredible too. it's easy to knock it by moaning about decor and not being 'tidy' but the key is the technology available now to the coaches as well as the secure leasure areas and catering for the players.
It's not the finished product of course but it's certainly a massive improvement.
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Post by ball on Oct 30, 2020 14:49:12 GMT 1
Genuinely believe it’s nearly an hour long to put off many watching it in its full
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Post by dm on Oct 30, 2020 14:51:01 GMT 1
"We the fans get no communication! Why haven't we heard about Canalside?!" *Update on Canalside*
"It's not good enough! And Devlin wasn't even wearing a tie!"   Fucking hell we have some big babies as fans. Just cos they can't go for a shit pre-match pint there any more. Woe is me. I agree the mask situation was pathetic though. Bromby might as well not have bothered, Devlin clearly needs a better mask. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Oct 30, 2020 15:07:34 GMT 1
"We the fans get no communication! Why haven't we heard about Canalside?!" *Update on Canalside*
"It's not good enough! And Devlin wasn't even wearing a tie!" Fucking hell we have some big babies as fans. Just cos they can't go for a shit pre-match pint there any more. Woe is me. I agree the mask situation was pathetic though. Bromby might as well not have bothered, Devlin clearly needs a better mask. Little things do matter though when a lot of the talk on the video was about increased professionalism within the club and at the training ground. Poor preparation when you're delivering a video to supporters some of whom have been cynical and critical about the downgraded upgrade. You'd have thought that all involved would have wanted to maximise the opportunity to impress supporters and sloppy dress and mask standards looked amateurish. The facilities are impressive and the development, staffing, security and upkeep costs are clearly astronomical. We've come a long way in a few years and shouldn't lose sight of that. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Oct 30, 2020 16:52:36 GMT 1
Just had another look at both videos, the more you see the original one & compare it to what we got, it just gets worse & worse.
Very convenient to blame Winter for mentioning 20M when he's not here, why wasn't he pulled up on it at the time if that was incorrect? I know Phil wasn't in charge at the time but if saying 12M was the original total amount is his best attempt at putting off where the original money has gone he'd be better saying nowt.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Oct 30, 2020 18:57:59 GMT 1
I think most people could accept a logical reduction in the budget and the scope if it was explained and well communicated. How has it got to this stage before these details have come out. We’ve got a great training ground, a massive improvement, I think we can all admit that.
I’ve been very supportive of the new regime as I feel they’ve had a lot to deal with and throw Covid in the mix it’s been a nightmare. BUT they really haven’t helped themselves here by saying something along that lines of this was only the plan if we were still in the PL.
That’s a lie and its not even a lie they needed to come out with. It’s eroding the trust of the fans who will rightly feel they are being treated like imbeciles.
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Post by detox on Oct 30, 2020 19:18:28 GMT 1
"We the fans get no communication! Why haven't we heard about Canalside?!" *Update on Canalside*
"It's not good enough! And Devlin wasn't even wearing a tie!" Fucking hell we have some big babies as fans. Just cos they can't go for a shit pre-match pint there any more. Woe is me. I agree the mask situation was pathetic though. Bromby might as well not have bothered, Devlin clearly needs a better mask. Little things do matter though when a lot of the talk on the video was about increased professionalism within the club and at the training ground. Poor preparation when you're delivering a video to supporters some of whom have been cynical and critical about the downgraded upgrade. You'd have thought that all involved would have wanted to maximise the opportunity to impress supporters and sloppy dress and mask standards looked amateurish. The facilities are impressive and the development, staffing, security and upkeep costs are clearly astronomical. We've come a long way in a few years and shouldn't lose sight of that. I did chuckle at his inability to secure his face mask, forgetting the 'pinch' the nose wire...his large belly was an issue too with shirt coming out but best of all was his left cuff which somehow was hanging down below his jacket sleeve... unkempt ? bit of a greengrass character (..from heartbeat) |
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Post by tepidterrier on Oct 30, 2020 19:29:24 GMT 1
has anyone ever seen a final build that looks like the architect's renders? Of course not. Superfluous stuff like the plant wall or whatever it was, grass verges by the car park, all probably done to make the render look nice, maybe meet some kind of environmental guideline. Was never going to happen like that.
Neither was the third floor being used for academy digs, complete pipe dream idea. I don't care about it enough to watch a 50 minute video that sounds badly made by all accounts.
But yeah, sounds like the club had a grand and unrealistic plan and didn't fulfil it properly in the midst of the biggest recession of all time and a particular loss of income for football clubs on top of that. And you're all disappointed and expected better?
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Post by htfcfcfc on Oct 30, 2020 19:50:52 GMT 1
has anyone ever seen a final build that looks like the architect's renders? Of course not. Superfluous stuff like the plant wall or whatever it was, grass verges by the car park, all probably done to make the render look nice, maybe meet some kind of environmental guideline. Was never going to happen like that. Neither was the third floor being used for academy digs, complete pipe dream idea. I don't care about it enough to watch a 50 minute video that sounds badly made by all accounts. But yeah, sounds like the club had a grand and unrealistic plan and didn't fulfil it properly in the midst of the biggest recession of all time and a particular loss of income for football clubs on top of that. And you're all disappointed and expected better? I’ll assume you’re trying to get a rise but no, disappointed in poor and insulting communication Happy to have a vastly improved facility. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 30, 2020 20:00:05 GMT 1
has anyone ever seen a final build that looks like the architect's renders? Of course not. Superfluous stuff like the plant wall or whatever it was, grass verges by the car park, all probably done to make the render look nice, maybe meet some kind of environmental guideline. Was never going to happen like that. Neither was the third floor being used for academy digs, complete pipe dream idea. I don't care about it enough to watch a 50 minute video that sounds badly made by all accounts. But yeah, sounds like the club had a grand and unrealistic plan and didn't fulfil it properly in the midst of the biggest recession of all time and a particular loss of income for football clubs on top of that. And you're all disappointed and expected better? At least the club have done something which is more than can be said for the great white elephant that is HDOne. |
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Post by reverendstarbuck on Oct 30, 2020 20:00:44 GMT 1
You may be right, but only the fans are going to watch it. Most of them don’t give a hoot what the production values are like. It’s not designed to attract revenue, bring in sponsors or show off to the outside world. Yeah, fair point. I guess I've just come to expect really low standards from our output teams, and this is another example. Considering the club are well aware of the original plans, you'd have thought they'd have done everything to make this look stylish, tidy and presented to the highest standard possible (as a consolation if nothing else). But you're right, ultimately it's only our fans who will care, so maybe it doesn't matter too much. I don't get this view at all. It's a showcase of the club's facilities, which should be shared with all potential investors/commercial partners/signings/whoever. Do the video properly, or not at all. For me, that means 5 to 10 mins max duration, with more use of voiceovers/captions instead of low quality sound, and a couple of lines only from Devlin, Bromby etc. The facilities may now be top drawer, but the presentation of them in that video is absolute dogshit. |
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Post by deepc on Oct 30, 2020 21:25:15 GMT 1
Yeah, fair point. I guess I've just come to expect really low standards from our output teams, and this is another example. Considering the club are well aware of the original plans, you'd have thought they'd have done everything to make this look stylish, tidy and presented to the highest standard possible (as a consolation if nothing else). But you're right, ultimately it's only our fans who will care, so maybe it doesn't matter too much. I don't get this view at all. It's a showcase of the club's facilities, which should be shared with all potential investors/commercial partners/signings/whoever. Do the video properly, or not at all. For me, that means 5 to 10 mins max duration, with more use of voiceovers/captions instead of low quality sound, and a couple of lines only from Devlin, Bromby etc. The facilities may now be top drawer, but the presentation of them in that video is absolute dogshit. Can not believe how poor that was. Other than picking his nose or scratching his bollocks Devlin could not have made a worse impression. As for Bromby, was he trying to make a point about not wearing a mask by err not wearing one. It was all supposed to be a send up , wasn't it ? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 22:31:36 GMT 1
When the development was first mooted and it became knowledge that Canalside would be closed to the public, does anybody else remember DH mentioning at a Q&A about a pre-match area / bar being set up at Leeds Road playing fields?
I'm not imagining this am I?
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Oct 30, 2020 23:00:14 GMT 1
Can someone please take Devlin to a tailor? Missing cufflinks, oversized suit fit. Not the image of a director that should be portrayed. Mr Creasote |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Oct 31, 2020 0:36:51 GMT 1
Can someone please take Devlin to a tailor? Missing cufflinks, oversized suit fit. Not the image of a director that should be portrayed. The Devlins in the detail |
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