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Post by tyau on Oct 31, 2020 5:20:30 GMT 1
"We the fans get no communication! Why haven't we heard about Canalside?!" *Update on Canalside*
"It's not good enough! And Devlin wasn't even wearing a tie!"   Fucking hell we have some big babies as fans. Just cos they can't go for a shit pre-match pint there any more. Woe is me. I agree the mask situation was pathetic though. Bromby might as well not have bothered, Devlin clearly needs a better mask. It's very lazy to say that about fans who are quite rightly questioning the club. We were sold a Premier League quality training facility as our legacy - see BBC Radio Leeds interview with Dean Hoyle. Instead, what we have been delivered is something that's not remotely comparable bar the Desso pitch. The Canalside video was also promised at least three months ago in an interview with Mark Devlin. It's taken until the end of October for it to be delivered and what has been delivered is a shadow of what was promised. And these decisions will have been taken before Covid. Nah, we're not big babies - we're sick of being treated like mugs. The club clearly don't understand how to effectively and honestly speak to us anymore and that video - so poorly put together. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Oct 31, 2020 8:04:40 GMT 1
Another piece of naff promotional material to add to the long list. The whole video seems so underprepared. Tidy the place up, empty it out for a day, and do some fancy fly-through shots of the renovations. Instead we've got Delvin and AT awkwardly stumbling around the place with the camera barely even showing the facilities. The club just hasn't got a clue how to present itself. It's so, so amateurish. And whoever let our graphic design chap go to town on the interior wants sacking. You may be right, but only the fans are going to watch it. Most of them don’t give a hoot what the production values are like. It’s not designed to attract revenue, bring in sponsors or show off to the outside world. And therein lies the problem, if that's the attitude that the club have then it's no wonder we are struggling to attract a decent shirt sponsor. Potential sponsors/investors will be watching this and the club should be creating output with that mindset, showing what is supposed to be our pride and joy in it's best possible light, or not at all. The media facing side of HTFC has been amateurish and outdated for as long as I can remember, and if you think that it doesn't cost us potential backing, you're dead wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 8:48:01 GMT 1
5mins in and I’ve seen some CCTV, a tractor and the boiler room.
Fair play to anyone who had the will power to keep going.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 9:30:57 GMT 1
I've remembered what this video - three months in the making - reminds me of now:
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Post by Mirfield Lass on Oct 31, 2020 10:21:08 GMT 1
When the development was first mooted and it became knowledge that Canalside would be closed to the public, does anybody else remember DH mentioning at a Q&A about a pre-match area / bar being set up at Leeds Road playing fields? I'm not imagining this am I? I was at the Q&A when he said this. Instead we got some naff set up on the golf range that only happened when it wasn’t raining! Majority of those who went in Canalside just ended up in the Peacock across the road pre match - they must have been laughing when Canalside was shut to fans! |
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Post by Wingman on Oct 31, 2020 11:24:10 GMT 1
I've remembered what this video - three months in the making - reminds me of now: Comedy gold. My favourite characters from R&M. |
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Post by loumacari on Oct 31, 2020 11:58:55 GMT 1
Like an episode of Homes Under The Hammer.
‘We’ve done something landscaping out the front, put in a new kitchen and bathroom and given it a lick of paint’.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Oct 31, 2020 12:14:50 GMT 1
I've remembered what this video - three months in the making - reminds me of now: Fucking brilliant |
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Post by newmarketterrier on Oct 31, 2020 13:06:53 GMT 1
What Phil says sort of makes sense. There is some spin there but the overall message is we've spent half of what it would have cost because they don't feel some parts are needed. If that is the case then fine by me, if it means the 6m then gets invested in the playing squad instead. You also have to remember the chairman, CEO and board has changed since that announcement, and like any business they will have their own views and priorities. To be fair to him, I had always struggled to understand how the total construction costs could possibly amount to GBP 20M, based on the planning documents submitted to Kirklees (For what it's worth, my own estimate for the main building was also 6M - 3k sqm at £2k/sqm). |
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Post by tockyterrier on Oct 31, 2020 13:07:46 GMT 1
I can be a critical poster but equally this is better than I was expecting (feared). Clearly not what was promised but I guess we need to understand whether DH still owns canalside and if he does is there benefit making a new multi million building when we’re only tenants In terms of the cost. These desso pitches seem to be top end and used at anfield, old Trafford, ethihad, Stamford bridge, Wembley, parc de princes. They seem to be the best out there so to have one to train on is clearly a good thing - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GrassMasterThey’re not cheap though and five years ago they cost £500k to £1m to install www.claretandhugh.info/olympic-stadium-pitch-to-ripped-up-again-after-rugby/Then there’s the cost of undersoil heating, floodlights and all the tv equipment. I wouldn’t be shocked if that pitch alone cost £1.5m The other pitches won’t cost the same obviously but would still be significant I also googled some of the equipment they highlight. The anti gravity treadmill looks to cost £30k www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4132834/Gordon-Ramsay-uses-36K-anti-gravity-treadmill-injury.htmlThe cryotherapy chamber costs up to £200k - cryoaction.com/cost-cryotherapy-equipment/The building is the bit they’ve shelved but having academy players living at the ground is “nice” but not really going to benefit the first team, besides the Rishworth tie up seems a pretty good solution. Having the ticket staff at canalside is also “nice” but again won’t help the first team Having the correct training equipment, pitches to train on and facilities to analyse performance will help the first team - and that largely looks to be there It’s not the legacy we should have had but equally compared to what we had when we first got into the championship it’s a big step forward Exactly this. All these moaning bastards are just looking for a chance to moan. If they'd knocked the building down and built a fancy three story building holding the exact same facilities for twice the price we wouldnt be any better off would we. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Oct 31, 2020 13:09:10 GMT 1
What Phil says sort of makes sense. There is some spin there but the overall message is we've spent half of what it would have cost because they don't feel some parts are needed. If that is the case then fine by me, if it means the 6m then gets invested in the playing squad instead. You also have to remember the chairman, CEO and board has changed since that announcement, and like any business they will have their own views and priorities. Is that what's been said? We've taken in tens of millions in transfer fees and saved tens of thousands per week on wages and spent bugger all so Im no longer expecting anything to be re-invested. Happy if they have said it will be though? He said, whilst the situation is as it us, the best place for the money us in the bank. And I cant disagree with that. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Oct 31, 2020 13:10:54 GMT 1
"We the fans get no communication! Why haven't we heard about Canalside?!" *Update on Canalside*
"It's not good enough! And Devlin wasn't even wearing a tie!" Fucking hell we have some big babies as fans. Just cos they can't go for a shit pre-match pint there any more. Woe is me. I agree the mask situation was pathetic though. Bromby might as well not have bothered, Devlin clearly needs a better mask. It's very lazy to say that about fans who are quite rightly questioning the club. We were sold a Premier League quality training facility as our legacy - see BBC Radio Leeds interview with Dean Hoyle. Instead, what we have been delivered is something that's not remotely comparable bar the Desso pitch. The Canalside video was also promised at least three months ago in an interview with Mark Devlin. It's taken until the end of October for it to be delivered and what has been delivered is a shadow of what was promised. And these decisions will have been taken before Covid. Nah, we're not big babies - we're sick of being treated like mugs. The club clearly don't understand how to effectively and honestly speak to us anymore and that video - so poorly put together. So what is missing that would make it a premier league quality facility? Genuine question. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Oct 31, 2020 13:27:08 GMT 1
I can be a critical poster but equally this is better than I was expecting (feared). Clearly not what was promised but I guess we need to understand whether DH still owns canalside and if he does is there benefit making a new multi million building when we’re only tenants In terms of the cost. These desso pitches seem to be top end and used at anfield, old Trafford, ethihad, Stamford bridge, Wembley, parc de princes. They seem to be the best out there so to have one to train on is clearly a good thing - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GrassMasterThey’re not cheap though and five years ago they cost £500k to £1m to install www.claretandhugh.info/olympic-stadium-pitch-to-ripped-up-again-after-rugby/Then there’s the cost of undersoil heating, floodlights and all the tv equipment. I wouldn’t be shocked if that pitch alone cost £1.5m The other pitches won’t cost the same obviously but would still be significant I also googled some of the equipment they highlight. The anti gravity treadmill looks to cost £30k www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4132834/Gordon-Ramsay-uses-36K-anti-gravity-treadmill-injury.htmlThe cryotherapy chamber costs up to £200k - cryoaction.com/cost-cryotherapy-equipment/The building is the bit they’ve shelved but having academy players living at the ground is “nice” but not really going to benefit the first team, besides the Rishworth tie up seems a pretty good solution. Having the ticket staff at canalside is also “nice” but again won’t help the first team Having the correct training equipment, pitches to train on and facilities to analyse performance will help the first team - and that largely looks to be there It’s not the legacy we should have had but equally compared to what we had when we first got into the championship it’s a big step forward Exactly this. All these moaning bastards are just looking for a chance to moan. If they'd knocked the building down and built a fancy three story building holding the exact same facilities for twice the price we wouldnt be any better off would we. And all these happy clappers who lap up what’s said without question can all happy clap together around the new building. See it’s easy to generalise whilst also missing the point completely. It’s not about how much the building cost or whether it’s got 3 storeys or 25. It’s about the deteriorating standards of communication coming out of the club and a totally unnecessary lie. Check my posts. I’ve been probably one of the most positive and supportive of PH. This is the first thing that’s really p155ed me off. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 13:31:35 GMT 1
Exactly this. All these moaning bastards are just looking for a chance to moan. If they'd knocked the building down and built a fancy three story building holding the exact same facilities for twice the price we wouldnt be any better off would we. And all these happy clappers who lap up what’s said without question can all happy clap together around the new building. See it’s easy to generalise whilst also missing the point completely. It’s not about how much the building cost or whether it’s got 3 storeys or 25. It’s about the deteriorating standards of communication coming out of the club and a totally unnecessary lie. Check my posts. I’ve been probably one of the most positive and supportive of PH. This is the first thing that’s really p155ed me off. I feel very similar. I'm not demanding they deliver the original plan. We all know things change. But removing that news piece from the official site really didn't sit right with me. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Oct 31, 2020 13:46:22 GMT 1
I've remembered what this video - three months in the making - reminds me of now: You've nailed it  |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Oct 31, 2020 13:52:34 GMT 1
I can be a critical poster but equally this is better than I was expecting (feared). Clearly not what was promised but I guess we need to understand whether DH still owns canalside and if he does is there benefit making a new multi million building when we’re only tenants In terms of the cost. These desso pitches seem to be top end and used at anfield, old Trafford, ethihad, Stamford bridge, Wembley, parc de princes. They seem to be the best out there so to have one to train on is clearly a good thing - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GrassMasterThey’re not cheap though and five years ago they cost £500k to £1m to install www.claretandhugh.info/olympic-stadium-pitch-to-ripped-up-again-after-rugby/Then there’s the cost of undersoil heating, floodlights and all the tv equipment. I wouldn’t be shocked if that pitch alone cost £1.5m The other pitches won’t cost the same obviously but would still be significant I also googled some of the equipment they highlight. The anti gravity treadmill looks to cost £30k www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4132834/Gordon-Ramsay-uses-36K-anti-gravity-treadmill-injury.htmlThe cryotherapy chamber costs up to £200k - cryoaction.com/cost-cryotherapy-equipment/The building is the bit they’ve shelved but having academy players living at the ground is “nice” but not really going to benefit the first team, besides the Rishworth tie up seems a pretty good solution. Having the ticket staff at canalside is also “nice” but again won’t help the first team Having the correct training equipment, pitches to train on and facilities to analyse performance will help the first team - and that largely looks to be there It’s not the legacy we should have had but equally compared to what we had when we first got into the championship it’s a big step forward Exactly this. All these moaning bastards are just looking for a chance to moan. If they'd knocked the building down and built a fancy three story building holding the exact same facilities for twice the price we wouldnt be any better off would we. You are totally missing the point, if you'd been told you were getting a corned beef, onion & salad cream sarnie, a bag of beefy crisps & a mini roll, all washed down with a can of Dr Pepper, followed by an after dinner jizz mag you'd be chuffed to mintballs but if you'd been been told you were getting scallops, ribeye steak with all the trimmings, creme brulee, as much Timmy Taylor's Landlord as you could sup & a night with Kelly Brook & Kirsty Gallagher but got the sarnie etc & was only told at the last minute, you'd feel let down wouldn't you? |
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Post by hantstownexile on Oct 31, 2020 14:34:52 GMT 1
Not as much as the girls. TTID
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Post by tockyterrier on Oct 31, 2020 14:44:23 GMT 1
Exactly this. All these moaning bastards are just looking for a chance to moan. If they'd knocked the building down and built a fancy three story building holding the exact same facilities for twice the price we wouldnt be any better off would we. You are totally missing the point, if you'd been told you were getting a corned beef, onion & salad cream sarnie, a bag of beefy crisps & a mini roll, all washed down with a can of Dr Pepper, followed by an after dinner jizz mag you'd be chuffed to mintballs but if you'd been been told you were getting scallops, ribeye steak with all the trimmings, creme brulee, as much Timmy Taylor's Landlord as you could sup & a night with Kelly Brook & Kirsty Gallagher but got the sarnie etc & was only told at the last minute, you'd feel let down wouldn't you? Except I'm not getting anything am I? And neither are you. It's the players that are missing out on the 3 story ribery and making do with a single story corner beef. WE were never going to be eating at that particular meal. Most on here complaining, are probably the same ones that wanted £20m wasting on 2 more Diakharbis while we were in the Prem instead of building anything at all. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Oct 31, 2020 15:15:41 GMT 1
You are totally missing the point, if you'd been told you were getting a corned beef, onion & salad cream sarnie, a bag of beefy crisps & a mini roll, all washed down with a can of Dr Pepper, followed by an after dinner jizz mag you'd be chuffed to mintballs but if you'd been been told you were getting scallops, ribeye steak with all the trimmings, creme brulee, as much Timmy Taylor's Landlord as you could sup & a night with Kelly Brook & Kirsty Gallagher but got the sarnie etc & was only told at the last minute, you'd feel let down wouldn't you? Except I'm not getting anything am I? And neither are you. It's the players that are missing out on the 3 story ribery and making do with a single story corner beef. WE were never going to be eating at that particular meal. Most on here complaining, are probably the same ones that wanted £20m wasting on 2 more Diakharbis while we were in the Prem instead of building anything at all. Why bother communicating with the supporters in the paper then? Just tell the players. "We" were part of the club, with the management acknowledging how important a part we played in getting behind DW's team & helping with promotion. This seems a very long time ago now & the club seem to agree with you... it's back to them & us. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 15:17:15 GMT 1
You are totally missing the point, if you'd been told you were getting a corned beef, onion & salad cream sarnie, a bag of beefy crisps & a mini roll, all washed down with a can of Dr Pepper, followed by an after dinner jizz mag you'd be chuffed to mintballs but if you'd been been told you were getting scallops, ribeye steak with all the trimmings, creme brulee, as much Timmy Taylor's Landlord as you could sup & a night with Kelly Brook & Kirsty Gallagher but got the sarnie etc & was only told at the last minute, you'd feel let down wouldn't you? Except I'm not getting anything am I? And neither are you. It's the players that are missing out on the 3 story ribery and making do with a single story corner beef. WE were never going to be eating at that particular meal. Most on here complaining, are probably the same ones that wanted £20m wasting on 2 more Diakharbis while we were in the Prem instead of building anything at all. I'm not at that meal either, nor do I expect to be! I am incredulous at the criticism being thrown at the club & indeviduals in this thread? I am compelled to ask: Have they tried speaking continuously while wearing a mask? Have they any specific items of equipment or function that are not provided at Canalside that are essential for professional footballers, or even desirable? Have they ever thought that these club staff members might have important roles to be doing in their job, perhaps roles that are more important than communication with wankers who feel they are entitled to be communicated with despite their insistence on being winging, complaining wankers who would be asked to take their business elsewhere if they didn't have the unreasonable support of a few other similarly minded wankers? There are times when I consider it appropriate to openly express my opinion, I would go further, my disgust with what I have read. You know who you are & you should be embarrassed beyond belief at your attitude towards the the club & staff. |
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Post by benhomly on Oct 31, 2020 15:18:18 GMT 1
[quote author=" tockyterrier" source="/post/27 51638/thread" timestamp="1604151863"] You are totally missing the point, if you'd been told you were getting a corned beef, onion & salad cream sarnie, a bag of beefy crisps & a mini roll, all washed down with a can of Dr Pepper, followed by an after dinner jizz mag you'd be chuffed to mintballs but if you'd been been told you were getting scallops, ribeye steak with all the trimmings, creme brulee, as much Timmy Taylor's Landlord as you could sup & a night with Kelly Brook & Kirsty Gallagher but got the sarnie etc & was only told at the last minute, you'd feel let down wouldn't you? Except I'm not getting anything am I? And neither are you. It's the players that are missing out on the 3 story ribery and making do with a single story corner beef. WE were never going to be eating at that particular meal. Most on here complaining, are probably the same ones that wanted £20m wasting on 2 more Diakharbis while we were in the Prem instead of building anything at all.[/quote] In a way we are missing out though because we won’t get to see the kind of players we were led to believe would join the club if we had such a facility. But as I said in an earlier post it would have been crazy for a club like ours to make that final stage of the investment. Those in charge of the club at the time really did just get a little bit carried away with themselves without really thinking it through i think. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 15:45:50 GMT 1
It's very lazy to say that about fans who are quite rightly questioning the club. We were sold a Premier League quality training facility as our legacy - see BBC Radio Leeds interview with Dean Hoyle. Instead, what we have been delivered is something that's not remotely comparable bar the Desso pitch. The Canalside video was also promised at least three months ago in an interview with Mark Devlin. It's taken until the end of October for it to be delivered and what has been delivered is a shadow of what was promised. And these decisions will have been taken before Covid. Nah, we're not big babies - we're sick of being treated like mugs. The club clearly don't understand how to effectively and honestly speak to us anymore and that video - so poorly put together. So what is missing that would make it a premier league quality facility? Genuine question. Quality players on it. |
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Post by tyau on Oct 31, 2020 15:46:18 GMT 1
It's very lazy to say that about fans who are quite rightly questioning the club. We were sold a Premier League quality training facility as our legacy - see BBC Radio Leeds interview with Dean Hoyle. Instead, what we have been delivered is something that's not remotely comparable bar the Desso pitch. The Canalside video was also promised at least three months ago in an interview with Mark Devlin. It's taken until the end of October for it to be delivered and what has been delivered is a shadow of what was promised. And these decisions will have been taken before Covid. Nah, we're not big babies - we're sick of being treated like mugs. The club clearly don't understand how to effectively and honestly speak to us anymore and that video - so poorly put together. So what is missing that would make it a premier league quality facility? Genuine question. I think this tweet sums it up perfectly. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 16:01:13 GMT 1
So what is missing that would make it a premier league quality facility? Genuine question. I think this tweet sums it up perfectly. When you order from Wish.com |
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Post by tockyterrier on Oct 31, 2020 16:43:58 GMT 1
[quote author=" tockyterrier" source="/post/27 51638/thread" timestamp="1604151863"] You are totally missing the point, if you'd been told you were getting a corned beef, onion & salad cream sarnie, a bag of beefy crisps & a mini roll, all washed down with a can of Dr Pepper, followed by an after dinner jizz mag you'd be chuffed to mintballs but if you'd been been told you were getting scallops, ribeye steak with all the trimmings, creme brulee, as much Timmy Taylor's Landlord as you could sup & a night with Kelly Brook & Kirsty Gallagher but got the sarnie etc & was only told at the last minute, you'd feel let down wouldn't you? Except I'm not getting anything am I? And neither are you. It's the players that are missing out on the 3 story ribery and making do with a single story corner beef. WE were never going to be eating at that particular meal. Most on here complaining, are probably the same ones that wanted £20m wasting on 2 more Diakharbis while we were in the Prem instead of building anything at all. In a way we are missing out though because we won’t get to see the kind of players we were led to believe would join the club if we had such a facility. But as I said in an earlier post it would have been crazy for a club like ours to make that final stage of the investment. Those in charge of the club at the time really did just get a little bit carried away with themselves without really thinking it through i think. [/quote] We dont know that. How many clubs in the championship have better facilities than we now have? I dont know. But just because we didn't build a three story building doesn't mean we haven't got the facilities that players want. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 18:15:34 GMT 1
Did people really expect to see a three story building on the video? We've just completed works on phase one of the build, of which the three story building wasn't included anyway.
Even if we were carrying on with the following phases, we'd still at the same stage as we're at now.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Oct 31, 2020 18:24:30 GMT 1
Those facilities did us proud today
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Post by arroloui on Oct 31, 2020 18:27:13 GMT 1
Can we still go play snooker down there
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Post by tockyterrier on Oct 31, 2020 18:27:52 GMT 1
Except I'm not getting anything am I? And neither are you. It's the players that are missing out on the 3 story ribery and making do with a single story corner beef. WE were never going to be eating at that particular meal. Most on here complaining, are probably the same ones that wanted £20m wasting on 2 more Diakharbis while we were in the Prem instead of building anything at all. Why bother communicating with the supporters in the paper then? Just tell the players. "We" were part of the club, with the management acknowledging how important a part we played in getting behind DW's team & helping with promotion. This seems a very long time ago now & the club seem to agree with you... it's back to them & us. Criticising the communication is different from complaining they didnt send £6m more than they have done without any idea what the extra spend would have achieved in terms of team performances or attracting players etc. |
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Post by detox on Nov 3, 2020 13:34:49 GMT 1
meanwhile, have they finally ditched HDOne , officialy..and if so does that mean KSDL can now be closed down , and what is the the state of the outstanding debt which Town have been mainly funding for 20 years or so...?
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