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Post by Captainslapper on May 10, 2020 15:40:23 GMT 1
The big difference between watching a game back then compared to now is the play acting. There simply wasn't any of it back then. It really is a joy to watch. There is literally no honour in the game anymore. Players fall down like a sack of potatoes at the slightest touch, often with no touch at all! It's only when you watch matches from this sort of period that you appreciate how bad the situation is today. I think another difference is how much harder it was for a skilled ball player to thrive. Man Utd players were constantly hacking away at Liam Brady who, rather than fall to the ground, just rode the challenges and carried on. Harder in that respect certainly. But in terms of the opponent those skilled players were trying to get past and the time and space they have to operate in, its a whole lot harder in todays game. Its always very subjective comparing football from different eras, but having watched that game, I wonder how many of those players would even cut it in the prem today? Not many at all IMO.
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Post by 28901 on May 12, 2020 21:02:57 GMT 1
David Coleman commentating, probably his last cup final. Osbourne ONE NIL Then they had to sub Roger Osbourne off. Just over come with the emotion of what hed done and couldn;t continue. It really was that massive for a lad to score in an FA cup final. Grddis set him up..taking on the defender. Ipswich h Town were a fabulous side.
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Post by 28901 on May 12, 2020 21:18:09 GMT 1
I think another difference is how much harder it was for a skilled ball player to thrive. Man Utd players were constantly hacking away at Liam Brady who, rather than fall to the ground, just rode the challenges and carried on. Harder in that respect certainly. But in terms of the opponent those skilled players were trying to get past and the time and space they have to operate in, its a whole lot harder in todays game. Its always very subjective comparing football from different eras, but having watched that game, I wonder how many of those players would even cut it in the prem today? Not many at all IMO. But you have to give them a level playing field. All have to have the same training, diet, facilities etc. Tennis players from the 70s would be slaughtered by modern day players of the game. However cricket is different. Bowlers were probably quicker, not having their actions coached out
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 12, 2020 22:14:39 GMT 1
Yes. The Final was a days viewing and a magic time for the game. I remember that final wasn’t a very good game and Roger Osborne scoring the winner. David Coleman commentating, probably his last cup final. Osbourne ONE NIL Strange how that snippet of commentary has stayed with me for so long. The days when the Cup Final was the showpiece of the season. Is this stuff available on catch up?
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Post by Stewpot on May 12, 2020 22:33:23 GMT 1
Leeds v Chelsea was just Murderball, followed by Murderball II in the replay. Watching as a seven year old, it didn't seem much like the beautiful game. As mentioned above, think it's still in the top five for all-time UK viewing figures This is a fabulous read. BBC link - 'The Most Brutal Game in English Football History'As renowned Observer journalist Hugh McIlvanney wrote afterwards: “At times, it appeared that Mr Jennings would give a free-kick only on production of a death certificate.”
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 12, 2020 22:45:21 GMT 1
David Coleman commentating, probably his last cup final. Osbourne ONE NIL Strange how that snippet of commentary has stayed with me for so long. The days when the Cup Final was the showpiece of the season. Is this stuff available on catch up? Watching these old games on ITV and BBC these past few weeks has made me realise just how good Coleman, Barry Davies and John Motson were. I’m the same in remembering the “Osbourne One Nil” - classic commentary.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 13, 2020 0:51:07 GMT 1
Harder in that respect certainly. But in terms of the opponent those skilled players were trying to get past and the time and space they have to operate in, its a whole lot harder in todays game. Its always very subjective comparing football from different eras, but having watched that game, I wonder how many of those players would even cut it in the prem today? Not many at all IMO. But you have to give them a level playing field. All have to have the same training, diet, facilities etc. Tennis players from the 70s would be slaughtered by modern day players of the game. However cricket is different. Bowlers were probably quicker, not having their actions coached out Oh yeah, I agree with that. Same training and everything then it might be a different story. I was just thinking as if we'd put them in a time machine in 1979 and brought them to 2020.
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Post by shawsie on May 13, 2020 0:56:26 GMT 1
I think another difference is how much harder it was for a skilled ball player to thrive. Man Utd players were constantly hacking away at Liam Brady who, rather than fall to the ground, just rode the challenges and carried on. Harder in that respect certainly. But in terms of the opponent those skilled players were trying to get past and the time and space they have to operate in, its a whole lot harder in todays game. Its always very subjective comparing football from different eras, but having watched that game, I wonder how many of those players would even cut it in the prem today? Not many at all IMO. I watched that as a rerun today.....whilst I agree the technical quality and speed were miles behind what we have now, it did bring home how poor the pitch was at wembley in those days. The ball moved so slowly on it that it made pass and move nigh on impossible.
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Post by Mecha Corte on May 13, 2020 11:57:26 GMT 1
Harder in that respect certainly. But in terms of the opponent those skilled players were trying to get past and the time and space they have to operate in, its a whole lot harder in todays game. Its always very subjective comparing football from different eras, but having watched that game, I wonder how many of those players would even cut it in the prem today? Not many at all IMO. I watched that as a rerun today.....whilst I agree the technical quality and speed were miles behind what we have now, it did bring home how poor the pitch was at wembley in those days. The ball moved so slowly on it that it made pass and move nigh on impossible. I "only" go as far back as early 70's but some of the pitches, including Leeds Road, were like ploughed fields, what the likes of Frankie and George Best would have made of playing on the modern snooker tables ? And in winter when a few hundred fans would shovel snow of the lines and goalmouth so the games could be played. Back to Wembley do you remember when they used to have the Horse of the Year Show on it, some of the Cup Finals and England games really suffered then.
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Post by 28901 on May 13, 2020 22:53:12 GMT 1
David Coleman commentating, probably his last cup final. Osbourne ONE NIL Strange how that snippet of commentary has stayed with me for so long. The days when the Cup Final was the showpiece of the season. Is this stuff available on catch up? I can remember the line before. GEDDIS TAKING ON THE DEFENDER AND WINNING....OSBOURNE 1.0
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Post by 28901 on May 13, 2020 22:54:42 GMT 1
But you have to give them a level playing field. All have to have the same training, diet, facilities etc. Tennis players from the 70s would be slaughtered by modern day players of the game. However cricket is different. Bowlers were probably quicker, not having their actions coached out Oh yeah, I agree with that. Same training and everything then it might be a different story. I was just thinking as if we'd put them in a time machine in 1979 and brought them to 2020. They'd be slaughtered. Imagine Rugby Union teams from the 70s? Completely steam rollers., treble figures
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Post by Captainslapper on May 14, 2020 0:47:07 GMT 1
They would. Have you ever watched the 1966 WC final in full? Honestly the standard of play is really poor. The number of times players just gift the ball away needlessly is amazing. If Town played like that now the crowd would be going mad! And it just seems SO slow.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 17, 2020 23:30:23 GMT 1
FA Cup. 50 Best Moments is on TV next Sunday evening at 10.30pm, BBC1.
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Post by Wingman on May 18, 2020 0:11:29 GMT 1
Two classic FA Cup finals on Iplayer next Sat (23rd) courtesy of a public vote; closes 7pm Monday 18th. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52623898Personally voted three times (cleared laptop data!) and gone for Scousers ‘89, Coventry and the Man Ure v Palace game.
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Post by Porrohman on May 18, 2020 5:21:58 GMT 1
Two classic FA Cup finals on Iplayer next Sat (23rd) courtesy of a public vote; closes 7pm Monday 18th. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52623898Personally voted three times (cleared laptop data!) and gone for Scousers ‘89, Coventry and the Man Ure v Palace game. Bloody hell, the 79 game has been on and there isn't any of the others, bar maybe Coventry, I'd bother watching again.
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Post by simontrevittsears on May 18, 2020 16:58:08 GMT 1
1973 FA cup final is always a good watch😉
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Post by Captainslapper on May 18, 2020 17:04:10 GMT 1
81 replay Spurs 3:2 man city. Ricky Villas goal and an absolute screamer by McKenzie for man city. 83 was good too when brighton drew 2-2 with man utd and missed a great chance to win it at the end.
Coventrys win in 87 was a good game. Weird if you watch it because for some weird reason only half the spurs players have the sponsors name on the front of their shirts.
After 91 and Gazza pressing the self-destruct button against forest, id struggle to remember much about any of them. After 2000 Id struggle to even remember who was playing.
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Post by Porrohman on May 18, 2020 17:23:58 GMT 1
81 replay Spurs 3:2 man city. Ricky Villas goal and an absolute screamer by McKenzie for man city. 83 was good too when brighton drew 2-2 with man utd and missed a great chance to win it at the end. Coventrys win in 87 was a good game. Weird if you watch it because for some weird reason only half the spurs players have the sponsors name on the front of their shirts. After 91 and Gazza pressing the self-destruct button against forest, id struggle to remember much about any of them. After 2000 Id struggle to even remember who was playing. Hummel fucked up with the Spurs shirt and only supplied half of them with the sponsors name. Didn't enjoy the 81 final or replay cos I wanted City to win
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 18, 2020 18:06:08 GMT 1
“The Big Match Revisited “ on ITV 4 next Sat/ Sun. Brian Moore commentating on games from 1976.
You can tell I’m missing football!
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Post by perardua on May 23, 2020 20:29:16 GMT 1
Out of the 24 players allowed there were 9 English, 6 Scottish, 5 Northern Irish, 3 Republic of Ireland and 1 Welsh you wouldn't see that nowadays and talking of the Spurs Man City final Huddersfields own Tony Galvin played for Spurs in that one
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Post by Captainslapper on May 24, 2020 0:44:56 GMT 1
Yeah its amazing how quickly foreign players went from being a rarity to being the bulk of players. Watched that Liverpool v Arsenal title decider from 89 tonight and there was only 1 non-British isles player on the pitch and that was Grobelaar.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 24, 2020 9:28:03 GMT 1
Yeah its amazing how quickly foreign players went from being a rarity to being the bulk of players. Watched that Liverpool v Arsenal title decider from 89 tonight and there was only 1 non-British isles player on the pitch and that was Grobelaar. One thing that struck me from watching that game yesterday was how understated it all was from a commentary point of view, Elton Welsby and Bobby Robson seemed very relaxed before the game chatting rather unexcitedly about a title decider, given that that must be the only time in history the two teams going head to head for the title met on the final day in a winner takes all situation. Maybe the low key build up was due to the Hillsborough disaster previously and given the game should have been played a month earlier, maybe they thought Arsenal wouldn't be able to get the 2-0 win after fluffing the 11 point lead. Brian Moore and David Pleat barely raised their voices either and the programme seemed to sign off without much acknowledgement of what had just been witnessed, different times I guess. Another thing that made me chuckle too was the crowd chanting, the Arsenal fans were singing 'come on you yellows' a chant you never hear these days.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 24, 2020 9:50:58 GMT 1
I used to love the "come on you yellows" chant at away games when we got a corner. I've a soft spot for both the diahatsu (sp?) shirts
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Post by Captainslapper on May 24, 2020 11:52:07 GMT 1
Yeah its amazing how quickly foreign players went from being a rarity to being the bulk of players. Watched that Liverpool v Arsenal title decider from 89 tonight and there was only 1 non-British isles player on the pitch and that was Grobelaar. One thing that struck me from watching that game yesterday was how understated it all was from a commentary point of view, Elton Welsby and Bobby Robson seemed very relaxed before the game chatting rather unexcitedly about a title decider, given that that must be the only time in history the two teams going head to head for the title met on the final day in a winner takes all situation. Maybe the low key build up was due to the Hillsborough disaster previously and given the game should have been played a month earlier, maybe they thought Arsenal wouldn't be able to get the 2-0 win after fluffing the 11 point lead. Brian Moore and David Pleat barely raised their voices either and the programme seemed to sign off without much acknowledgement of what had just been witnessed, different times I guess. Another thing that made me chuckle too was the crowd chanting, the Arsenal fans were singing 'come on you yellows' a chant you never hear these days. Youd think Hillsborough must have played a part in that. It struck me how little mention it got in the commentary though. Can only have been 3 or 4 weeks earlier. The players ( not even all of them ) had black armbands on, but otherwise there were no obvious references to it. Think today it would have been all consuming.. constantly referred to throughout the game and with symbolism all around the event. The angle would have been 'none of this matters' and it being just a unimportant sideshow to the grieving. Agree about the commentary..All pretty matter of fact. Probably says something about how over the years Sky have inflated everything so much.. the tension, the drama, the whole magnitude of it all. Funny what fine lines there are in a game like that. Right before the last minute winner John Barnes attacks and if he dribbles it towards the corner flag Liverpool win the title. But he tries to dribble it towards goal, loses it and Arsenal win it.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on May 24, 2020 21:39:59 GMT 1
One thing that struck me from watching that game yesterday was how understated it all was from a commentary point of view, Elton Welsby and Bobby Robson seemed very relaxed before the game chatting rather unexcitedly about a title decider, given that that must be the only time in history the two teams going head to head for the title met on the final day in a winner takes all situation. Maybe the low key build up was due to the Hillsborough disaster previously and given the game should have been played a month earlier, maybe they thought Arsenal wouldn't be able to get the 2-0 win after fluffing the 11 point lead. Brian Moore and David Pleat barely raised their voices either and the programme seemed to sign off without much acknowledgement of what had just been witnessed, different times I guess. Another thing that made me chuckle too was the crowd chanting, the Arsenal fans were singing 'come on you yellows' a chant you never hear these days. Youd think Hillsborough must have played a part in that. It struck me how little mention it got in the commentary though. Can only have been 3 or 4 weeks earlier. The players ( not even all of them ) had black armbands on, but otherwise there were no obvious references to it. Think today it would have been all consuming.. constantly referred to throughout the game and with symbolism all around the event. The angle would have been 'none of this matters' and it being just a unimportant sideshow to the grieving. Agree about the commentary..All pretty matter of fact. Probably says something about how over the years Sky have inflated everything so much.. the tension, the drama, the whole magnitude of it all. Funny what fine lines there are in a game like that. Right before the last minute winner John Barnes attacks and if he dribbles it towards the corner flag Liverpool win the title. But he tries to dribble it towards goal, loses it and Arsenal win it.Great minds and all that, eh, Cap'n? I watched it yesterday teatime too and thought exactly the same thing. Go for the corner flag, run down the clock - but no, he tried to play. On such decisions are titles decided.
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