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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 10, 2020 21:58:08 GMT 1
Just seen this on youtube. Unreal ability when he's on it. Could be some player if he becomes more consistent
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 10, 2020 22:25:23 GMT 1
Insane talent....temperament issues and also holds/touches the ball too often IMHO. Could be one of the best.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 10, 2020 22:37:46 GMT 1
Other than ESR he's our most talented player imo.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 10, 2020 22:41:33 GMT 1
Other than ESR he's our most talented player imo. Which just goes to show talent only takes you so far. Showed enough in the prem to make you think he'd rip this league up but it hasn't quite happened for him
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 10, 2020 22:49:31 GMT 1
Other than ESR he's our most talented player imo. Which just goes to show talent only takes you so far. Showed enough in the prem to make you think he'd rip this league up but it hasn't quite happened for him Six goals and six assists so far this season which is pretty good considering he's been played here, there and everywhere. He's still only 22 and if we find his best position, which for me is attacking central midfield, then I think he has a big future ahead of him.
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Bacuna
Jun 10, 2020 22:52:28 GMT 1
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 10, 2020 22:52:28 GMT 1
Which just goes to show talent only takes you so far. Showed enough in the prem to make you think he'd rip this league up but it hasn't quite happened for him Six goals and six assists so far this season which is pretty good considering he's been played here, there and everywhere. He's still only 22 and if we find his best position, which for me is attacking central midfield, then I think he has a big future ahead of him. He's scored some great goals. But also thrown in some stinkers. Agreed he has played a variety of positions but which one is his best? Spent A LOT of time on the bench for a kid with such talent. He's one of them players who you hope when he retires doesn't look back and have regrets. Because he's got it all when on his game
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 11, 2020 7:05:27 GMT 1
Decent ability but lacks a footballing brain, lacks consistency but has scored some great goals and if The Cowleys can get some consistency from him I'd say he would be an integral part of a build for another promotion push to PL.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jun 11, 2020 7:40:22 GMT 1
Insane talent....temperament issues and also holds/touches the ball too often IMHO. Could be one of the best. Aree but where is evidence for temperament issues?
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Jun 11, 2020 8:03:52 GMT 1
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 11, 2020 8:03:52 GMT 1
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Post by kennyk2 on Jun 11, 2020 8:57:56 GMT 1
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Jun 11, 2020 9:05:09 GMT 1
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 11, 2020 9:05:09 GMT 1
Don't you think "lifestyle" and "temperament" are intrinsically linked? Either way it impacts on his ability to fulfill potential
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Post by townrwe on Jun 11, 2020 9:12:02 GMT 1
He's like the clever naughty kid at school..... Just needs the right teachers. I think the cowleys will probably bring the best out of him, he needs that discipline to live a committed football lifestyle of someone like paul Scholes. and not go down the billing track who's living the footballers made it lifestyle.
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Jun 11, 2020 9:27:59 GMT 1
Post by kennyk2 on Jun 11, 2020 9:27:59 GMT 1
Don't you think "lifestyle" and "temperament" are intrinsically linked? Either way it impacts on his ability to fulfill potential Semantics I know, but I can't find lifestyle as a synonym to temperament... but, if lifestyle starts to affect temperament, that may be a problem.
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Jun 11, 2020 10:00:09 GMT 1
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 11, 2020 10:00:09 GMT 1
Yeah and visa versa.. As you say semantics. Let's hope he comes back fit b firing cos we aren't out of the woods yet
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Post by tepidterrier on Jun 11, 2020 10:19:26 GMT 1
If he's here next season the Cowleys need to build the 11 around him rather than slotting him in wherever. He's shown capability as a ball-winning midfielder, box to box midfielder, inverted right back, inverted winger, regular winger. Finding a position that gets the best out of him and balances the side will be tough, but worth it
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Post by clayts on Jun 11, 2020 10:23:51 GMT 1
Play him in his proper position and he'll do well, none of this playing him at right-back or on the wing nonsense that has happened this season.
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Post by jasrick on Jun 11, 2020 10:36:06 GMT 1
Decent ability but lacks a footballing brain, lacks consistency but has scored some great goals and if The Cowleys can get some consistency from him I'd say he would be an integral part of a build for another promotion push to PL. Can’t agree with this. I’d say he’s a very intelligent player. He sees things others can’t and has the ability to make the pass too. I’d agree that his consistency is his main issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 10:42:02 GMT 1
Is that a video knocked up by his agent to get him a move back to Holland or Germany, Or is it a video knocked up by Town to bring some money in to rebuild for next season.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 11, 2020 11:21:48 GMT 1
£2m was a snip. The most talented player on our books imo. The Cowleys have been working hard to get his consistency up. Like DC says, he has a full toolbox but sometimes he tries to use them all instead of just the hammer & screwdriver.
If the Cowleys can get him in a settled position & playing well consistently next season then he could make a massive difference to the team. He's a bit of a footballing maverick which I like.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 11, 2020 11:21:56 GMT 1
Insane talent....temperament issues and also holds/touches the ball too often IMHO. Could be one of the best. Aree but where is evidence for temperament issues?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 11, 2020 11:24:13 GMT 1
Insane talent....temperament issues and also holds/touches the ball too often IMHO. Could be one of the best. Aree but where is evidence for temperament issues? Gets involved all the time! Should have been sent off twice in 3 minutes one match, pushed an opponent in to the wall then blatantly kicked another off the ball just after. 10 bookings to date.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 11:59:41 GMT 1
Aree but where is evidence for temperament issues? Gets involved all the time! Should have been sent off twice in 3 minutes one match, pushed an opponent in to the wall then blatantly kicked another off the ball just after. 10 bookings to date. But as has been noted...the Cowleys have worked on him and his approach to the game, and he’s not picked up a booking in his last ten appearances (and because of the way he plays which often takes the piss out of established pros, he DOES continue to get hit regularly with the kind of desperate challenges that would historically have seen him react and be carded). He plays on the edge and has some incredible talent and the bravado fo use it, for me it’s actually an unfortunate thing that we seem to have to water down that kind of player. The whole reason I want to watch football is not really for a collective team based tactical demonstration of robots drilled into producing a chess match variation of football, it’s to see individuals do something exciting, risky and brave that I don’t have the skills to do. Sure, it’s going to result in the occasional 40 yard own goal or a handful of yellow cards, but the upside of Bacuna on his game is worth all that ? Imagine Gasgoigne playing now...he’d be converted into an Oliver Norwood plodding tidily through games rather than regularly doing the unexpected and being a key influencer on match results.
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Jun 11, 2020 12:17:15 GMT 1
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 11, 2020 12:17:15 GMT 1
Is that a video knocked up by his agent to get him a move back to Holland or Germany, Or is it a video knocked up by Town to bring some money in to rebuild for next season. It's put together by someone who has done a lot of highlight vids on other championship players.
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Jun 11, 2020 12:21:14 GMT 1
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 11, 2020 12:21:14 GMT 1
Personally, the jury is out on Bacuna. No one can deny that he has talent and I was impressed with his attitude when asked to cover at Right Back. I agree that sometimes he hangs onto the ball too long and can be erratic at times. I think that it’s important that the Cowley’s decide on his best position as soon as possible to give him some consistency.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 11, 2020 12:34:00 GMT 1
Decent ability but lacks a footballing brain, lacks consistency but has scored some great goals and if The Cowleys can get some consistency from him I'd say he would be an integral part of a build for another promotion push to PL. Can’t agree with this. I’d say he’s a very intelligent player. He sees things others can’t and has the ability to make the pass too. I’d agree that his consistency is his main issue. There are numerous times when he takes the wrong option and it's a very obvious option or tries to over complicate things by trying to take the whole opposition players on single handedly.
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 11, 2020 12:45:42 GMT 1
Can’t agree with this. I’d say he’s a very intelligent player. He sees things others can’t and has the ability to make the pass too. I’d agree that his consistency is his main issue. There are numerous times when he takes the wrong option and it's a very obvious option or tries to over complicate things by trying to take the whole opposition players on single handedly. But he's the only one on our books that can do any of that and he's the only creative player we've got that isn't a loanee
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Post by joburgjon on Jun 11, 2020 12:59:56 GMT 1
Top player
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Post by jasrick on Jun 11, 2020 13:51:35 GMT 1
Can’t agree with this. I’d say he’s a very intelligent player. He sees things others can’t and has the ability to make the pass too. I’d agree that his consistency is his main issue. There are numerous times when he takes the wrong option and it's a very obvious option or tries to over complicate things by trying to take the whole opposition players on single handedly. Maybe we have different ideas of what constitutes a good footballing brain. A simple sideways pass that may be the obvious option doesn’t necessarily do it for me.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 11, 2020 18:59:16 GMT 1
He's like the clever naughty kid at school..... Just needs the right teachers. I think the cowleys will probably bring the best out of him, he needs that discipline to live a committed football lifestyle of someone like paul Scholes. and not go down the billing track who's living the footballers made it lifestyle. Billing is a pretty shit example of the point you're trying to make.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jun 13, 2020 15:44:22 GMT 1
He's like the clever naughty kid at school..... Just needs the right teachers. I think the cowleys will probably bring the best out of him, he needs that discipline to live a committed football lifestyle of someone like paul Scholes. and not go down the billing track who's living the footballers made it lifestyle. Billing is a pretty shit example of the point you're trying to make. better player than billing, who i do rate.
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