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Bacuna
Jun 13, 2020 16:06:07 GMT 1
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 13, 2020 16:06:07 GMT 1
Billing is a pretty shit example of the point you're trying to make. better player than billing, who i do rate. Certainly much more skilled and a bigger raw talent, but don't think he can yet claim to be a better overall player.
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Post by impact on Jun 13, 2020 16:22:21 GMT 1
He undoubtedly has talent, but he doesn't really slot in anywhere atm.
O'Brien has outperformed him this year in centre mid, and there's no way the 2 of them would work in a 2. For him to start at CM we either need to play 4-3-3 or he needs LOB to either get injured or go off the boil.
He isn't a right back and never will be. He isn't a winger but has done well coming on there and making an impact. But again he wouldn't start on the wing.
Right now he's an impact sub.
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Bacuna
Jun 13, 2020 16:31:36 GMT 1
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 13, 2020 16:31:36 GMT 1
He undoubtedly has talent, but he doesn't really slot in anywhere atm. O'Brien has outperformed him this year in centre mid, and there's no way the 2 of them would work in a 2. For him to start at CM we either need to play 4-3-3 or he needs LOB to either get injured or go off the boil. He isn't a right back and never will be. He isn't a winger but has done well coming on there and making an impact. But again he wouldn't start on the wing. Right now he's an impact sub. But he's better than O'Brien going forward and he's the only midfielder that provides dangerous set pieces or a goal threat. A 2 from O'B, Hogg and Chalobah has very little creativity.
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Bacuna
Jun 13, 2020 16:35:26 GMT 1
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Post by impact on Jun 13, 2020 16:35:26 GMT 1
He undoubtedly has talent, but he doesn't really slot in anywhere atm. O'Brien has outperformed him this year in centre mid, and there's no way the 2 of them would work in a 2. For him to start at CM we either need to play 4-3-3 or he needs LOB to either get injured or go off the boil. He isn't a right back and never will be. He isn't a winger but has done well coming on there and making an impact. But again he wouldn't start on the wing. Right now he's an impact sub. But he's better than O'Brien going forward and he's the only midfielder that provides dangerous set pieces or a goal threat. A 2 from O'B, Hogg and Chalobah has very little creativity. He hasn't played better than him though. If he had been better he'd have started ahead of him, or taken his chance at the beginning of the season when he was awful. Now we have a number 10 who plays in Smith-Rowe we are less reliant on midfield creativity. We need players who get around the pitch, work hard, are good in both attack and defence and are measured on the ball. If we were still playing 4-3-3 then I'd agree with you, he'd play every time.
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 13, 2020 17:01:16 GMT 1
But he's better than O'Brien going forward and he's the only midfielder that provides dangerous set pieces or a goal threat. A 2 from O'B, Hogg and Chalobah has very little creativity. He hasn't played better than him though. If he had been better he'd have started ahead of him, or taken his chance at the beginning of the season when he was awful. Now we have a number 10 who plays in Smith-Rowe we are less reliant on midfield creativity. We need players who get around the pitch, work hard, are good in both attack and defence and are measured on the ball. If we were still playing 4-3-3 then I'd agree with you, he'd play every time. Play him, ESR and Willock behind Mounie or Grant, the 3 most talented in an interchangeable fluid line then for goals and creativity with 2 of the other 3 covering the defence
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Bacuna
Jun 13, 2020 17:03:29 GMT 1
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Post by impact on Jun 13, 2020 17:03:29 GMT 1
He hasn't played better than him though. If he had been better he'd have started ahead of him, or taken his chance at the beginning of the season when he was awful. Now we have a number 10 who plays in Smith-Rowe we are less reliant on midfield creativity. We need players who get around the pitch, work hard, are good in both attack and defence and are measured on the ball. If we were still playing 4-3-3 then I'd agree with you, he'd play every time. Play him, ESR and Willock behind Mounie or Grant, the 3 most talented in an interchangeable fluid line then for goals and creativity with 2 of the other 3 covering the defence I can see that working ifBacuna's starting position wad central. However it's seems the Cowleys don't want to play Grant up front, and he simply has to play. Without him we'd be bottom.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jun 13, 2020 18:10:31 GMT 1
He undoubtedly has talent, but he doesn't really slot in anywhere atm. O'Brien has outperformed him this year in centre mid, and there's no way the 2 of them would work in a 2. For him to start at CM we either need to play 4-3-3 or he needs LOB to either get injured or go off the boil. He isn't a right back and never will be. He isn't a winger but has done well coming on there and making an impact. But again he wouldn't start on the wing. Right now he's an impact sub. There have been some very good impact subs. Some of the things he has done this season have been outstanding and i think in the last 2 yrears has been better for town than Billing (who i thought had talent).
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Bacuna
Jun 13, 2020 18:19:41 GMT 1
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Post by impact on Jun 13, 2020 18:19:41 GMT 1
He undoubtedly has talent, but he doesn't really slot in anywhere atm. O'Brien has outperformed him this year in centre mid, and there's no way the 2 of them would work in a 2. For him to start at CM we either need to play 4-3-3 or he needs LOB to either get injured or go off the boil. He isn't a right back and never will be. He isn't a winger but has done well coming on there and making an impact. But again he wouldn't start on the wing. Right now he's an impact sub. There have been some very good impact subs. Some of the things he has done this season have been outstanding and i think in the last 2 yrears has been better for town than Billing (who i thought had talent). They have. And some of them have been appalling. I don't think he's been better than Billing though.
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Bacuna
Jun 13, 2020 18:44:01 GMT 1
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 13, 2020 18:44:01 GMT 1
There have been some very good impact subs. Some of the things he has done this season have been outstanding and i think in the last 2 yrears has been better for town than Billing (who i thought had talent). They have. And some of them have been appalling. I don't think he's been better than Billing though. Billing that was ok defensively and gave us nothing attacking-wise ?
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Post by Maynardblue on Jun 13, 2020 19:04:47 GMT 1
Bacca scored twice today
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Bacuna
Jun 13, 2020 19:11:03 GMT 1
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Post by impact on Jun 13, 2020 19:11:03 GMT 1
They have. And some of them have been appalling. I don't think he's been better than Billing though. Billing that was ok defensively and gave us nothing attacking-wise ? Billing who more than held his own in the top flight and did far more than you've made out there, hence his £15m move.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 13, 2020 19:17:20 GMT 1
He undoubtedly has talent, but he doesn't really slot in anywhere atm. O'Brien has outperformed him this year in centre mid, and there's no way the 2 of them would work in a 2. For him to start at CM we either need to play 4-3-3 or he needs LOB to either get injured or go off the boil. He isn't a right back and never will be. He isn't a winger but has done well coming on there and making an impact. But again he wouldn't start on the wing. Right now he's an impact sub. But he's better than O'Brien going forward and he's the only midfielder that provides dangerous set pieces or a goal threat. A 2 from O'B, Hogg and Chalobah has very little creativity. O'Brien and Chalobah were starting to form a decent partnership by the end (ignoring Leeds). O'Brien isn't exactly a water carrier and Chalobah at times drives it forward. At the same time, it's a shame not having an obvious slot for such a talented (but highly erratic) player.
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Bacuna
Jun 13, 2020 19:19:58 GMT 1
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Post by townrwe on Jun 13, 2020 19:19:58 GMT 1
He's like the clever naughty kid at school..... Just needs the right teachers. I think the cowleys will probably bring the best out of him, he needs that discipline to live a committed football lifestyle of someone like paul Scholes. and not go down the billing track who's living the footballers made it lifestyle. Billing is a pretty shit example of the point you're trying to make. Depends how his career goes from now. Loads of talent, but hardly made it yet has he??? Could easily be back in the championship next season.
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Bacuna
Jun 13, 2020 19:26:45 GMT 1
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 13, 2020 19:26:45 GMT 1
Billing is a pretty shit example of the point you're trying to make. Depends how his career goes from now. Loads of talent, but hardly made it yet has he??? Could easily be back in the championship next season. He's already had a half decent run at the top league in world football, which many a player of arguably a better raw talent can't say. If he does eventually drop, which may well be the case, that's potentially more about ability.
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Bacuna
Jun 13, 2020 19:29:25 GMT 1
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Post by townrwe on Jun 13, 2020 19:29:25 GMT 1
Depends how his career goes from now. Loads of talent, but hardly made it yet has he??? Could easily be back in the championship next season. He's already had a half decent run at the top league in world football, which many a player of arguably a better raw talent can't say. If he does eventually drop, which may well be the case, that's potentially more about ability. Bags of ability. But if you remember Powell didn't like his attitude, Wagner had to keep him grounded and threw him under a bus a couple of times and then Siewert just sacked him off.
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Bacuna
Jun 13, 2020 19:32:18 GMT 1
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Post by explorer on Jun 13, 2020 19:32:18 GMT 1
Have we had a friendly today Maynard? Who did we play and what was the score, sir?
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Bacuna
Jun 13, 2020 19:32:41 GMT 1
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 13, 2020 19:32:41 GMT 1
He's already had a half decent run at the top league in world football, which many a player of arguably a better raw talent can't say. If he does eventually drop, which may well be the case, that's potentially more about ability. Bags of ability. But if you remember Powell didn't like his attitude, Wagner had to keep him grounded and threw him under a bus a couple of times and then Siewert just sacked him off. Definitely talented, but the EPL is the stand out league in world football. More so than it has ever been, with many of the best players from all over the world; not just the UK. Is his talent so much he is an EPL shoe-run? Probably not, so he's hardly failed himself to a degree to be used as an example.
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Post by explorer on Jun 13, 2020 19:36:08 GMT 1
Bacca is an incredibly talented lad. We need to set up so that he can get on doing what he does best without having to worry about him doing something dumb in the wrong areas of the pitch. Sure as eggs is eggs, if we can’t do it somebody else will, and we’ll all be on here wondering why “he didn’t do it when he was here”.
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Post by Maynardblue on Jun 13, 2020 19:50:40 GMT 1
Have we had a friendly today Maynard? Who did we play and what was the score, sir? Beat Boro 5-1
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Bacuna
Jun 13, 2020 20:27:30 GMT 1
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Post by Jello Biafra on Jun 13, 2020 20:27:30 GMT 1
Have we had a friendly today Maynard? Who did we play and what was the score, sir? Beat Boro 5-1 Any more details please?
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Bacuna
Jun 14, 2020 10:29:20 GMT 1
Post by terriertim on Jun 14, 2020 10:29:20 GMT 1
odd choice in the tonsorial department at time - but...
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 28, 2020 16:51:32 GMT 1
Missing for three.. Good news
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 16:56:51 GMT 1
Missing for three.. Good news And he’ll still contribute more than Willock, whose only positive today was that he DIDNT get sent off 🤷♂️ I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a more disinterested powder puff player on the pitch. How hes there ahead of Kachunga or even Quaner is a total mystery to me.
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Post by impact on Jun 28, 2020 16:57:56 GMT 1
If some of the others got as annoyed at losing we probably wouldn't be in this mess.
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Bacuna
Jun 28, 2020 16:59:06 GMT 1
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 28, 2020 16:59:06 GMT 1
If some of the others got as annoyed at losing we probably wouldn't be in this mess. 11 petulant children =relegation
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Post by impact on Jun 28, 2020 17:00:24 GMT 1
If some of the others got as annoyed at losing we probably wouldn't be in this mess. 11 petulant children =relegation Near enough 11 who don't give a toss = relegation.
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Bacuna
Jun 28, 2020 17:01:26 GMT 1
Post by wigster on Jun 28, 2020 17:01:26 GMT 1
The chips are down, we're going to have to battle as a team and give 110% for the upcoming matches...
So this idiot decides to run 20 yards to kick an opponent from behind with absolutely no intention of getting the ball.
With character like that no wonder we're going down.Absolutely spineless.
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Bacuna
Jun 28, 2020 17:03:10 GMT 1
Post by kennyk2 on Jun 28, 2020 17:03:10 GMT 1
He was superb when he came on until.. ugh ugh! He needs to do a few more really silly things because then no one else will then want him and he'll light up the 3rd division.
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Post by detox on Jun 28, 2020 17:03:50 GMT 1
tbh, their guy knew full well the whistle had gone, he was just being an arsehole wasting time...if i'd been bacuna i'd have done the same...good lad, game was over , back for the last 4 games...
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 28, 2020 17:03:58 GMT 1
Missing for three.. Good news Yeah great, the only midfielder that scores, the only midfielder that gets assists, the only player we have that takes a good set piece is out for 3 games and that's good news. For fucks sake but at least it means we can carry on with the likes of Pritchard and O'Brien that don't do any of that but run around a lot 🤨
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