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Bacuna
Jun 28, 2020 18:12:08 GMT 1
Post by sabailand on Jun 28, 2020 18:12:08 GMT 1
Im not contradicting you for the sake of it TB but i think Bacuna is potentially a big loss, 6 goals from midfield isnt prolific but only Grant and Mounie have been among the goals to any degree this season, Bacuna is very frustrating and petulant but hes a good player to have in the squad. Ok.. And when we go down the likes of you and porrohman will be looking for off the field scapegoats when the reason is too many players who couldn't give a fuck I consider myself quite level headed about town footballing matters, not for me the ranting and the `end of the world` after a bad spell, in fact i never ever slag players off, i`ll criticize but fairly, i never ever look for scapegoats even though i might not rate some players.
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Post by townrwe on Jun 28, 2020 18:12:08 GMT 1
It's been a fucking shit 12 months..... all round and now our best player.... probably our only hope other than mounie and grant has got himself banned for 3 games.
Let's hope we can scrape staying up and then the cowleys can sort this shit show out.
The main person who's fucked on us is Wagner and to some extent and very sadly Deano.... Selling to Phil was a mistake as well, although I dont doubt him wanting to do well, just seems his management style is more suited to a legal office than a football club.
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Bacuna
Jun 28, 2020 18:20:27 GMT 1
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 28, 2020 18:20:27 GMT 1
So, in short, you're glad that our only goal or assist threat from midfield is missing for 3 games. In short..hes part of the problem not part of the solution. Glad he's out yes because it removes the (slight) temptation Cowley might have had to play him So we can play all defensive midfielders without a goal threat between them and who are poor defensively too 🤔. Ok
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Bacuna
Jun 28, 2020 18:22:29 GMT 1
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 28, 2020 18:22:29 GMT 1
Im not contradicting you for the sake of it TB but i think Bacuna is potentially a big loss, 6 goals from midfield isnt prolific but only Grant and Mounie have been among the goals to any degree this season, Bacuna is very frustrating and petulant but hes a good player to have in the squad. Ok.. And when we go down the likes of you and porrohman will be looking for off the field scapegoats when the reason is too many players who couldn't give a fuck Yeah OK, it's all Baccas fault we're going down then. Which players actually give a fuck then cos I haven't seen any lately
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Post by htfc63 on Jun 28, 2020 18:23:50 GMT 1
Sadly Bacuna has not got the sense he was born with. He is likely to get sent off as his moments of madness come all too often. Hogg is also likely to be sent off due to his reckless challenges which I must admit have now got less as he is so slow he cannot catch anyone. Add these two to a team full of inept weak performers and it’s a recipe for disaster.
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Bacuna
Jun 28, 2020 18:58:07 GMT 1
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 28, 2020 18:58:07 GMT 1
Ok.. And when we go down the likes of you and porrohman will be looking for off the field scapegoats when the reason is too many players who couldn't give a fuck Yeah OK, it's all Baccas fault we're going down then. Which players actually give a fuck then cos I haven't seen any lately Where have I said "it's all baccas fault"? That would be a ridiculous thing to say. If I'm posting on a Bacuna thread I talk about Bacuna. The attitude of the players has fucked us. Players who are on big money but otherwise can't wait to get away. Bacuna looked "large" last weekend. This weekend Cowley can't trust him to start ahead of duhany who is a tenth of the talent. You found out (AGAIN) why he can't trust him and why, unfortunately we have a really good chance of going down
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Post by Amigo on Jun 28, 2020 19:00:37 GMT 1
I'd imagine Bacuna's frustration could come from being sat on the bench for so long watching players who couldn't create a meal between them nevermind a chance at goal at their supposed profession when he is our most creative player and one of probably only 3 players in the squad likely to actually score and then gets brought on at right back. Yeah you keep telling yourself that mate Telling myself what? That he's on the bench watching players get a start ahead of him that are nowhere near as good or effective? He is. That he's our most creative player? Stats say he is as do eyes. That he's one of 3 players likely to get a goal? He is. That he gets played out of position and he today? He does and did. Not sure what's wrong?
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Bacuna
Jun 28, 2020 19:02:32 GMT 1
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 28, 2020 19:02:32 GMT 1
Yeah you keep telling yourself that mate Telling myself what? That he's on the bench watching players get a start ahead of him that are nowhere near as good or effective? He is. That he's our most creative player? Stats say he is as do eyes. That he's one of 3 players likely to get a goal? He is. That he gets played out of position and he today? He does and did. Not sure what's wrong? You're surmising that his "frustration" is because the manager can't trust him.. Here's an idea. When you come on and have the chance to impress don't get yourself sent off through total idiocy
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Jun 28, 2020 19:34:32 GMT 1
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 28, 2020 19:34:32 GMT 1
Yeah OK, it's all Baccas fault we're going down then. Which players actually give a fuck then cos I haven't seen any lately Where have I said "it's all baccas fault"? That would be a ridiculous thing to say. If I'm posting on a Bacuna thread I talk about Bacuna. The attitude of the players has fucked us. Players who are on big money but otherwise can't wait to get away. Bacuna looked "large" last weekend. This weekend Cowley can't trust him to start ahead of duhany who is a tenth of the talent. You found out (AGAIN) why he can't trust him and why, unfortunately we have a really good chance of going down We have a good chance of going down because we have a squad with no leaders or fight that isn't good enough and a management team that isn't good enough.
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Post by Stewpot on Jun 28, 2020 19:35:23 GMT 1
Bacuna is an enigma. It needs things to be in his favour, then he is capable of excelling. However in a relegation dogfight, when it's backs to the wall, not the man you need. Wouldn't have him in my regiment.
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 28, 2020 19:37:16 GMT 1
Telling myself what? That he's on the bench watching players get a start ahead of him that are nowhere near as good or effective? He is. That he's our most creative player? Stats say he is as do eyes. That he's one of 3 players likely to get a goal? He is. That he gets played out of position and he today? He does and did. Not sure what's wrong? You're surmising that his "frustration" is because the manager can't trust him.. Here's an idea. When you come on and have the chance to impress don't get yourself sent off through total idiocy And every time you're the first to get dropped despite being the one shunted from pillar to post because none of the others are good enough to play outside their favoured position. He'd already been more positive than most of the others in the time he was on and was the only one to make their keeper work
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Post by andyboothscat on Jun 28, 2020 19:39:13 GMT 1
Telling myself what? That he's on the bench watching players get a start ahead of him that are nowhere near as good or effective? He is. That he's our most creative player? Stats say he is as do eyes. That he's one of 3 players likely to get a goal? He is. That he gets played out of position and he today? He does and did. Not sure what's wrong? You're surmising that his "frustration" is because the manager can't trust him.. Here's an idea. When you come on and have the chance to impress don't get yourself sent off through total idiocy 100% correct. He’s come on and proved the manager correct for leaving him out. And in the meantime also made a mug of his manager for bringing him on in the first place. If brains were dynamite he wouldn’t have enough to blow his earwax out. Moronic.
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Bacuna
Jun 28, 2020 20:05:38 GMT 1
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Post by ACW on Jun 28, 2020 20:05:38 GMT 1
Bacuna can't be relied upon. I think most would agree with that. Ideally we wouldn't be relying on hotheads like him in a relegation scrap.
Unfortunately the reality is we have little goal threat in this team. For all his faults, Bacuna has shown that he can create/score. Losing one of the few players who can score/create has to be a blow to a team that can't score, irrespective of his attitude.
He was stupid today, and it wasn't the first time. He won't be able to help us in the next three games, and for that he deserves to be criticised. But for me it doesn't change the reality that when available he is more likely to create/score than most.
We shouldn't be in a position where we are so short on goal threat that we have to rely on the likes of Bacuna, but that's where we are. Other than Grant or Mounie (who has been unavailable), where are the goals coming from? ESR maybe? Where else?
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Bacuna
Jun 28, 2020 20:46:22 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 20:46:22 GMT 1
Couple of weeks off back home in Holland, Sorry Netherlands in case anyone is offended.
Am 50/50 wether we will ever see him back at Town, He may well decide to stay at home n move elsewhere.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 28, 2020 21:38:34 GMT 1
Insane talent....temperament issues and also holds/touches the ball too often IMHO. Could be one of the best. Came on, first three touches were all tricks....wants to get on the telly for a move.....then the hothead gets sent off. Could destroy his own career before he even gets started.
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Post by htfcterrier83 on Jun 28, 2020 22:55:16 GMT 1
One thing you can’t say about Bacuna is that he’s soft and doesn’t put himself about. Don’t think I can count on two hands the same about the others. As a team we’re so soft, it’s unbelievable.
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Bacuna
Jun 28, 2020 23:33:38 GMT 1
Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 28, 2020 23:33:38 GMT 1
I think Town should appeal this, there's no way that's a red card offence. A deliberate foul worthy of a yellow but other than if the guy had have been clean through on goal, most refs wouldn't have sent him off for that.
Edit; It appears the tweet of the video I posted has now been deleted.
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Bacuna
Jun 28, 2020 23:39:22 GMT 1
Post by wigster on Jun 28, 2020 23:39:22 GMT 1
I think Town should appeal this, there's no way that's a red card offence. A deliberate foul worthy of a yellow but other than if the guy had have been clean through on goal, most refs wouldn't have sent him off for that. Surely a red card every day of the week.
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Bacuna
Jun 28, 2020 23:41:59 GMT 1
Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 28, 2020 23:41:59 GMT 1
I think Town should appeal this, there's no way that's a red card offence. A deliberate foul worthy of a yellow but other than if the guy had have been clean through on goal, most refs wouldn't have sent him off for that. Surely a red card every day of the week. Disagree. A cynical foul but not a red for me.
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Bacuna
Jun 28, 2020 23:51:02 GMT 1
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Post by space hardware on Jun 28, 2020 23:51:02 GMT 1
Surely a red card every day of the week. Disagree. A cynical foul but not a red for me. I might be wrong but I think the rule was changed a few years ago. If you foul someone badly with no intention to get the ball then it's a straight red. Burnley had a guy sent off against us last season for taking Mbenza out in a similar fashion.
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Post by Amigo on Jun 29, 2020 0:04:08 GMT 1
It's cynical definitely but I'm not convinced it's a red, if it's the other way I wouldn't be expecting a red to one of theirs. It's not dangerous he clips his heel, see plenty of yellows for fouls that aren't dangerous and are just blatantly to stop attacks.
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Bacuna
Jun 29, 2020 5:51:37 GMT 1
Post by bogart on Jun 29, 2020 5:51:37 GMT 1
Surely a red card every day of the week. Disagree. A cynical foul but not a red for me. Was red because deemed dangerous play, he was after the guy come what may.
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Post by bogart on Jun 29, 2020 5:54:14 GMT 1
It's cynical definitely but I'm not convinced it's a red, if it's the other way I wouldn't be expecting a red to one of theirs. It's not dangerous he clips his heel, see plenty of yellows for fouls that aren't dangerous and are just blatantly to stop attacks. Bit more than clipping his heel.
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Bacuna
Jun 29, 2020 6:40:33 GMT 1
Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 29, 2020 6:40:33 GMT 1
Set the playback speed to 0.25 and watch the challenge again (1 min 20 seconds). Leaves the ground and goes with his studs down the lads calf. That is now a red card offence and has been for a few seasons. Couple of other examples:
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Bacuna
Jun 29, 2020 6:55:30 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 29, 2020 6:55:30 GMT 1
He's clearly got talent but as I said earlier on in the season the guy is bloody brainless.
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Post by Mr Breitside on Jun 29, 2020 7:17:46 GMT 1
Missing for three.. Good news Ridiculous, he has created more goals driving forward from right back than the majority of the team. At least he tries to go forward instead of this slow passing sideways and backwards. We need as many players and options as possible, so no one getting banned for 3 games is good news.
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Post by Mr Breitside on Jun 29, 2020 7:29:23 GMT 1
Im not contradicting you for the sake of it TB but i think Bacuna is potentially a big loss, 6 goals from midfield isnt prolific but only Grant and Mounie have been among the goals to any degree this season, Bacuna is very frustrating and petulant but hes a good player to have in the squad. Ok.. And when we go down the likes of you and porrohman will be looking for off the field scapegoats when the reason is too many players who couldn't give a fuck I agree on this point about us having too many players who don't give a fuck. I honestly think we have too many who also think they are better than what they are. Add this into all the off field shit and here we are.
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Post by houllierspal on Jun 29, 2020 7:59:50 GMT 1
Ref should have given the same leniency as he did with Watson who should/could have had two yellows in first half. Actually thought ref was OK other than the big decisions which all went Forests way, maybe apart from the pen when the game was over.
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Bacuna
Jun 29, 2020 12:54:41 GMT 1
Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Jun 29, 2020 12:54:41 GMT 1
It was a clear red. Clearly ran back and took the player out with no intent whatsoever of getting the ball. Appalling decision for any player to make, let alone a substitute who's been on the pitch nowhere near as long as others.
Doesn't have a position. Can't pass simple balls, or long balls. Doesn't know where to stand. Tries dribbling when he should pass, tries passing when he should dribble.
I keep getting the 6 assists and 6 goals thrown in my face but fuck knows how he's got those! Not sure he'll be here next season whatever league we're in.
**cue the Bacuna overhead kick to keep us in the division!!
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Bacuna
Jun 29, 2020 13:03:02 GMT 1
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Post by digs on Jun 29, 2020 13:03:02 GMT 1
He recieves thousands of pounds a week,and behaves like a 12 pint pub footballer,no excuse red card all day long
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