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Post by Mr Breitside on Jul 13, 2020 13:21:57 GMT 1
When playing, stankovic is clearly a big threat for us on corners and free kicks, he makes runs, loses his markers and more often than not gets his head on the ball. OK it is not always a clean header on goal but it is enough to cause panic and concern for the opposition.
What I dont understand is... why is he the only one who does this ? Is it simply down to his desire to attack the ball and win the header ? If Stankovic isn't playing then surely someone else should be fulfilling that role or is it something only Stankovic can do ?
Maybe I am being harsh on our other players with height but to me they seem far more flat footed and less of a threat.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 13, 2020 14:06:05 GMT 1
No he isn't. He ambles forward and the corners never reach anyone. Better to win a corner and give it back to the keeper.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 13, 2020 14:57:17 GMT 1
No he isn't. He ambles forward and the corners never reach anyone. Better to win a corner and give it back to the keeper. I'm sure I read once that there is something like a 4% chance of scoring from a corner. We must be less than that.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 13, 2020 15:03:14 GMT 1
No he isn't. He ambles forward and the corners never reach anyone. Better to win a corner and give it back to the keeper. I'm sure I read once that there is something like a 4% chance of scoring from a corner. We must be less than that. From "The numbers game" - 2% chance!
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Post by bogart on Jul 13, 2020 15:06:01 GMT 1
When playing, stankovic is clearly a big threat for us on corners and free kicks, he makes runs, loses his markers and more often than not gets his head on the ball. OK it is not always a clean header on goal but it is enough to cause panic and concern for the opposition. What I dont understand is... why is he the only one who does this ? Is it simply down to his desire to attack the ball and win the header ? If Stankovic isn't playing then surely someone else should be fulfilling that role or is it something only Stankovic can do ? Maybe I am being harsh on our other players with height but to me they seem far more flat footed and less of a threat. To counter that pity he did not get his head anywhere near the Luton guy Friday. Four or five players never got an inch off the deck.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 13, 2020 15:06:14 GMT 1
I'm sure I read once that there is something like a 4% chance of scoring from a corner. We must be less than that. From "The numbers game" - 2% chance! I wonder if we are above or below average?
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 13, 2020 15:07:29 GMT 1
No he isn't. He ambles forward and the corners never reach anyone. Better to win a corner and give it back to the keeper. actually this might work. We've tried every other way to give it back to OUR keeper.
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Post by Amigo on Jul 13, 2020 15:32:06 GMT 1
I'm sure I read once that there is something like a 4% chance of scoring from a corner. We must be less than that. From "The numbers game" - 2% chance! People used to have a pop at Pep for never letting Barcelona swing a corner in but he used this reasoning. Statistically there was more chance of them creating a chance or scoring from having the ball in that area in open play than swinging a corner in. He did alright there so there might be something in it.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 13, 2020 15:36:32 GMT 1
"Threat at set-pieces"? Behave!!
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Post by impact on Jul 13, 2020 15:47:54 GMT 1
We are more likely to concede from our own set pieces than score from them.
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Post by ben1987 on Jul 13, 2020 16:04:22 GMT 1
The reason we aren’t a threat at set pieces is because we have nobody in the squad who could deliver a fucking pizza let alone a dangerous ball in.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 13, 2020 16:14:23 GMT 1
The reason we aren’t a threat at set pieces is because we have nobody in the squad who could deliver a fucking pizza let alone a dangerous ball in. Both Bacuna and Toffolo can - usually - put the dead balls into the right area; hell, even Pritchard occasionally gets it right. But then you need someone else to make the right runs...
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 13, 2020 16:20:44 GMT 1
The reason we aren’t a threat at set pieces is because we have nobody in the squad who could deliver a fucking pizza let alone a dangerous ball in. Hey wait on a minute! Some of those new fangled pizzas are fucking huge and don't fit through the letterbox.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 13, 2020 16:45:55 GMT 1
We aren't the only ones shit at corners, most clubs are. In every division. To be honest it seems the higher up the pyramid you go the shitter the corners are. Some corners in the top flight are beyond a joke and it rarely gets mentioned. Absolutely criminal that a pro footballer can't beat the first man.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 13, 2020 17:33:35 GMT 1
No he isn't. He ambles forward and the corners never reach anyone. Better to win a corner and give it back to the keeper. I'm sure I read once that there is something like a 4% chance of scoring from a corner. We must be less than that. One goal every 39 corners directly (2.5%)....more are scored against from quick counters whilst you are out of position. A team like Town should pass the ball from a corner back to the centre circle.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 13, 2020 17:36:02 GMT 1
The reason we aren’t a threat at set pieces is because we have nobody in the squad who could deliver a fucking pizza let alone a dangerous ball in. Both Bacuna and Toffolo can - usually - put the dead balls into the right area; hell, even Pritchard occasionally gets it right. But then you need someone else to make the right runs... Pritchard took a belter the other day....bobbler to the front defender. My granny could do better....and she died circa 1974.
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Post by griffa on Jul 13, 2020 18:10:33 GMT 1
Both Bacuna and Toffolo can - usually - put the dead balls into the right area; hell, even Pritchard occasionally gets it right. But then you need someone else to make the right runs... Pritchard took a belter the other day....bobbler to the front defender. My granny could do better....and she died circa 1974. We are truly in the shit! But your comment is very funny, but no far from the truth! - UTT.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 13, 2020 18:11:47 GMT 1
Both Bacuna and Toffolo can - usually - put the dead balls into the right area; hell, even Pritchard occasionally gets it right. But then you need someone else to make the right runs... Pritchard took a belter the other day....bobbler to the front defender. My granny could do better....and she died circa 1974. Dig her up, dust her off and get her down to canalside.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 13, 2020 18:39:26 GMT 1
Pritchard took a belter the other day....bobbler to the front defender. My granny could do better....and she died circa 1974. Dig her up, dust her off and get her down to canalside. Gladys...perhaps you remember her? Always around town in a raincoat and rainhat even when it was sunny? Matching green shopping trolley, slightly stooped....about 4 foot 10 inches. To be found sucking a humbug. Come to think of it Gladys and Pritchard have never been seen together.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 13, 2020 18:39:46 GMT 1
Both with facial hair as well....hmmmm.
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Post by griffa on Jul 13, 2020 19:22:19 GMT 1
Dig her up, dust her off and get her down to canalside. Gladys...perhaps you remember her? Always around town in a raincoat and rainhat even when it was sunny? Matching green shopping trolley, slightly stooped....about 4 foot 10 inches. To be found sucking a humbug. Come to think of it Gladys and Pritchard have never been seen together. Sounds like my old Granny! She was 4' 10" but fierce, with a thick mop of 'Red Hair.' Not a woman to cross, she was bloody hard! Took no prisoners! She'd have done a great job, in midfield for us! - UTT.
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Post by tvor on Jul 13, 2020 22:39:01 GMT 1
From "The numbers game" - 2% chance! People used to have a pop at Pep for never letting Barcelona swing a corner in but he used this reasoning. Statistically there was more chance of them creating a chance or scoring from having the ball in that area in open play than swinging a corner in. He did alright there so there might be something in it. Might be to do with the decent players he had! Wagner had that philosophy with free kicks. They always seemed to be short passes, sometimes backwards, when a ball into the box might have mixed things up a bit.
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Post by Amigo on Jul 13, 2020 23:13:48 GMT 1
People used to have a pop at Pep for never letting Barcelona swing a corner in but he used this reasoning. Statistically there was more chance of them creating a chance or scoring from having the ball in that area in open play than swinging a corner in. He did alright there so there might be something in it. Might be to do with the decent players he had! Wagner had that philosophy with free kicks. They always seemed to be short passes, sometimes backwards, when a ball into the box might have mixed things up a bit. Yeah they did but statistics back it up. 17% end up with some sort of attempt at goal and 2% scored. I agree it looks better to sling a corner in but the reality is quite different. I think it's a similar situation with free kicks, you wait and you're letting the opposition get organised and pick men up and generally there's very little movement. Free kicks are a bit more complicated as obviously it depends where you're taking it from though.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 14, 2020 8:34:15 GMT 1
People used to have a pop at Pep for never letting Barcelona swing a corner in but he used this reasoning. Statistically there was more chance of them creating a chance or scoring from having the ball in that area in open play than swinging a corner in. He did alright there so there might be something in it. Might be to do with the decent players he had! Wagner had that philosophy with free kicks. They always seemed to be short passes, sometimes always backwards, when a ball into the box might have mixed things up a bit. Corrected that bit for you. Didn't matter where it was on the pitch, it NEVER went forward and 99% of the time ended up with Lössl after two kicks.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 14, 2020 8:59:19 GMT 1
Maybe our takers are a tad aichmophobic?
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Post by space hardware on Jul 14, 2020 9:25:13 GMT 1
The only threat we carry at set pieces is to our own goalkeeper, by standing in the six yard box doing nothing.
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Post by tvor on Jul 14, 2020 9:33:25 GMT 1
Might be to do with the decent players he had! Wagner had that philosophy with free kicks. They always seemed to be short passes, sometimes backwards, when a ball into the box might have mixed things up a bit. Yeah they did but statistics back it up. 17% end up with some sort of attempt at goal and 2% scored. I agree it looks better to sling a corner in but the reality is quite different. I think it's a similar situation with free kicks, you wait and you're letting the opposition get organised and pick men up and generally there's very little movement. Free kicks are a bit more complicated as obviously it depends where you're taking it from though. I can see that and its influence on the modern game. I like David Wagner but when we so desperate for goals it might have been worth chancing our arm on something a bit different every now and then. No different to playing Heff and Schindler as strikers!
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Post by tvor on Jul 14, 2020 9:34:54 GMT 1
Might be to do with the decent players he had! Wagner had that philosophy with free kicks. They always seemed to be short passes, sometimes always backwards, when a ball into the box might have mixed things up a bit. Corrected that bit for you. Didn't matter where it was on the pitch, it NEVER went forward and 99% of the time ended up with Lössl after two kicks. Yeah, it certainly felt like that. And the players always seemed to wait until the opposing team were back in their positions.
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Post by shedds on Jul 14, 2020 10:42:46 GMT 1
the amount of goals we have conceded from set plays be they freekicks or corners quite a few times is alarming and cannot count the number of times balls are put into the back post and opposition strikers are either unmarked or have 2 or 3 defenders around them and still score
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Jul 14, 2020 12:32:18 GMT 1
I love the old corner routines we've had in the past. Was it Paul Dalton and Dave Phillips who used to take it in turns where one chips the ball to the other waiting on the edge of the box and then smash a volley at goal? It seemed to work a few times too.
Norwood used to try it as well didn't he? Was it Burnley at home where he scored one into the bottom corner?
And what about the Chris Brandon special where the player would touch the ball slightly and then run off as if they were swapping takers only for Brandon to then run into the box with it. Usually just made us look like dicks when we cocked it up though, not sure if we ever actually scored from one.
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