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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 0:56:19 GMT 1
Its Celtic, Leeds, Liverpool and Man Utd in my shite pile.
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Post by ritchie on Aug 7, 2020 1:52:23 GMT 1
....difference being hoyle pissed away most of the lottery winners money then took what was left leaving the bloke in a shitty bedsit with high rent he couldnt afford. its been done to death...and i dont like criticising hoyle...he did wonderful things for this club..but at the end of the day im a fan of htfc first not dean and the structuring of his exit was an absolute shitshow for the club he worked so hard to build up ive always said i've no issue with him getting, in theory, every penny back..but it should have been through either the direct sale of the club from a position of strength (a state of the art training facility, core squad capable of mounting a championship challenge etc) or a long term agreement based on future successes reaped from the infrastructure of his investment. not because its good business sense for hoyle, but because thats the dream he always sold to the fans (who in large bought into that and gave him fantastic backing) I know this HTFC, DH, PH money invested, money repaid thing will rumble on but does it have to be on every single thread.Please can we limit this discussion (from now on) to the finance threads etc. Thank you. fair point, but ive barely read/posted on here in months
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Post by ritchie on Aug 7, 2020 1:55:59 GMT 1
.... difference being hoyle pissed away most of the lottery winners money then took what was left leaving the bloke in a shitty bedsit with high rent he couldnt afford. its been done to death...and i dont like criticising hoyle...he did wonderful things for this club..but at the end of the day im a fan of htfc first not dean and the structuring of his exit was an absolute shitshow for the club he worked so hard to build up ive always said i've no issue with him getting, in theory, every penny back..but it should have been through either the direct sale of the club from a position of strength (a state of the art training facility, core squad capable of mounting a championship challenge etc) or a long term agreement based on future successes reaped from the infrastructure of his investment. not because its good business sense for hoyle, but because thats the dream he always sold to the fans (who in large bought into that and gave him fantastic backing) Hoyle didnt choose any players. Youre criticising the wrong person for pissing away all that money IMO. Its like your missus being given £30k to go and buy a car by her boss, and then slagging off the boss when she spends it on a w reg fiesta with a cracked head gasket. The fans gave fantastic backing.. once hed made their season cards half price. Irrelevant. As blunt as it is As is season ticket price (credit to him, but still, the uptake played a huge part in our success)
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Post by thongsbridge on Aug 7, 2020 1:58:48 GMT 1
Neil Warnock outlines his ways of prepping for the upcoming season regarding transfers. He’s not over-enamoured with the modern recruitment process of relying on data analysis and highlights videos. He really is solidly old-school... He's spot on... and I'd imagine Cloughie wouldn't have taken too much notice of the 'data miners' and Xbox recruiters either.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Aug 7, 2020 8:23:43 GMT 1
Hoyle didnt choose any players. Youre criticising the wrong person for pissing away all that money IMO. Its like your missus being given £30k to go and buy a car by her boss, and then slagging off the boss when she spends it on a w reg fiesta with a cracked head gasket. The fans gave fantastic backing.. once hed made their season cards half price. Irrelevant. As blunt as it is As is season ticket price (credit to him, but still, the uptake played a huge part in our success) DH did the same with his card factory sold cheap and in bulk, this covid 19 as proved the fans are a necessity they need us more than we need them , season tickets everywhere should be dirt free.
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Post by yappledapple on Aug 7, 2020 8:57:24 GMT 1
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Post by Tiro on Aug 7, 2020 9:10:30 GMT 1
His point is valid. Oh, and Celtic in Europe. Won 174 lost 135. They would be top 10. So not top six then.
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Post by portugalterrier on Aug 7, 2020 10:26:00 GMT 1
His point is valid. Oh, and Celtic in Europe. Won 174 lost 135. They would be top 10. So not top six then. Celtic would be a bottom six club, Scott Brown in the Premiership 😂😂
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Post by crux on Aug 7, 2020 11:02:32 GMT 1
Celtic would be a bottom six club, Scott Brown in the Premiership 😂😂 Might as well play Mrs Brown 😉😂
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Post by terrier25 on Aug 7, 2020 12:06:41 GMT 1
Celtic would be a bottom six club, Scott Brown in the Premiership 😂😂 Celtic and Rangers current squads would be relegated from the PL. but if they were admitted to pl they would have the money to get a different squad and the marketing power of those two brands would get them top 6 in no time at all, they would be ripe for takeover and would end up denying two English clubs the chance of europe each season - and that is why english clubs wouldn’t vote them in.
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Post by Uddersfield on Aug 7, 2020 12:25:07 GMT 1
Celtic would be a bottom six club, Scott Brown in the Premiership 😂😂 Celtic and Rangers current squads would be relegated from the PL. but if they were admitted to pl they would have the money to get a different squad and the marketing power of those two brands would get them top 6 in no time at all, they would be ripe for takeover and would end up denying two English clubs the chance of europe each season - and that is why english clubs wouldn’t vote them in. Exactly - not sure they'd get relegated as such but within a season or two they would be challenging for top 6 for sure. Their pull to bring in top players would increase 10 fold.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 7, 2020 12:25:28 GMT 1
Celtic would be a bottom six club, Scott Brown in the Premiership 😂😂 Jonny Hogg got 2 years of it. Brown is just an older version
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Post by Leporid on Aug 7, 2020 12:55:50 GMT 1
Celtic and Rangers current squads would be relegated from the PL. but if they were admitted to pl they would have the money to get a different squad and the marketing power of those two brands would get them top 6 in no time at all, they would be ripe for takeover and would end up denying two English clubs the chance of europe each season - and that is why english clubs wouldn’t vote them in. Exactly - not sure they'd get relegated as such but within a season or two they would be challenging for top 6 for sure. Their pull to bring in top players would increase 10 fold. There's nothing 'sure' about it. Having very wealthy owners prepared to spend is a huge factor. Another aspect is whether 'top players' would want to go to Glasgow to live. Liverpool and Man U struggled at times to attract players, who for some reason had a hankering after living in London, rather than the North West.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 7, 2020 14:17:48 GMT 1
His point is valid. Oh, and Celtic in Europe. Won 174 lost 135. They would be top 10. So not top six then. Not now...perhaps when Warnock was last in the Prem.
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Post by goodbet on Aug 7, 2020 14:40:54 GMT 1
Is anyone rely interested if they would or they wouldn't be at the top the bottom or anywhere else. I for one just hope it never happens.
We have enough issues in football without importing that kind of racist or is it religionist behaviour.
But we all know if the PL thought it would increase revenues and they could get them in they could, whatever the rights or wrongs in the matter.
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Post by RickDangerous on Aug 7, 2020 14:53:36 GMT 1
Is anyone rely interested if they would or they wouldn't be at the top the bottom or anywhere else. I for one just hope it never happens. We have enough issues in football without importing that kind of racist or is it religionist behaviour. But we all know if the PL thought it would increase revenues and they could get them in they could, whatever the rights or wrongs in the matter. Religionist. Hahaha classic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 16:54:44 GMT 1
Is anyone rely interested if they would or they wouldn't be at the top the bottom or anywhere else. I for one just hope it never happens. We have enough issues in football without importing that kind of racist or is it religionist behaviour. But we all know if the PL thought it would increase revenues and they could get them in they could, whatever the rights or wrongs in the matter. I have no time for bigotry of any kind, but I'd rather have seen Celtic and Rangers at the JSS than Watford and Bournemouth. 10 minutes after the top European clubs form their own league, the PL will be on the phone to Glasgow to ask them to help fill a couple of the gaps. Aberdeen, Hibs et al might finally then have a chance of a league title.
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Post by iangreaves on Aug 7, 2020 17:21:44 GMT 1
Is anyone rely interested if they would or they wouldn't be at the top the bottom or anywhere else. I for one just hope it never happens. We have enough issues in football without importing that kind of racist or is it religionist behaviour. But we all know if the PL thought it would increase revenues and they could get them in they could, whatever the rights or wrongs in the matter. I have no time for bigotry of any kind, but I'd rather have seen Celtic and Rangers at the JSS than Watford and Bournemouth. 10 minutes after the top European clubs form their own league, the PL will be on the phone to Glasgow to ask them to help fill a couple of the gaps. Aberdeen, Hibs et al might finally then have a chance of a league title. If we are going to have teams from other countries in the English Premier League, why not Barcelona or Real Madrid?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 19:32:11 GMT 1
I have no time for bigotry of any kind, but I'd rather have seen Celtic and Rangers at the JSS than Watford and Bournemouth. 10 minutes after the top European clubs form their own league, the PL will be on the phone to Glasgow to ask them to help fill a couple of the gaps. Aberdeen, Hibs et al might finally then have a chance of a league title. If we are going to have teams from other countries in the English Premier League, why not Barcelona or Real Madrid? Or Swansea or Cardiff?
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Post by iangreaves on Aug 7, 2020 20:02:05 GMT 1
If we are going to have teams from other countries in the English Premier League, why not Barcelona or Real Madrid? Or Swansea or Cardiff? Don't agree with them, either. There is a Welsh league.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 7, 2020 20:06:23 GMT 1
Don't agree with them, either. There is a Welsh league. There hasn't always been though.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Aug 7, 2020 20:54:10 GMT 1
I have no time for bigotry of any kind, but I'd rather have seen Celtic and Rangers at the JSS than Watford and Bournemouth. 10 minutes after the top European clubs form their own league, the PL will be on the phone to Glasgow to ask them to help fill a couple of the gaps. Aberdeen, Hibs et al might finally then have a chance of a league title. If we are going to have teams from other countries in the English Premier League, why not Barcelona or Real Madrid? Or why did we allow Swansea and Cardiff into the PL and Newport and Wrexham into the EFL ?
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 8, 2020 0:20:36 GMT 1
Hoyle didnt choose any players. Youre criticising the wrong person for pissing away all that money IMO. Its like your missus being given £30k to go and buy a car by her boss, and then slagging off the boss when she spends it on a w reg fiesta with a cracked head gasket. The fans gave fantastic backing.. once hed made their season cards half price. Irrelevant. As blunt as it is As is season ticket price (credit to him, but still, the uptake played a huge part in our success) How can it be irrelevant? Youre saying he pissed away all the money ( on crap players ) but then claim its irrelevant that he didn;t choose any of those players?
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Post by dugnet on Aug 8, 2020 8:02:38 GMT 1
Irrelevant. As blunt as it is As is season ticket price (credit to him, but still, the uptake played a huge part in our success) How can it be irrelevant? Youre saying he pissed away all the money ( on crap players ) but then claim its irrelevant that he didn;t choose any of those players? What is relevant is that DH presided over what has proved to be little more than an amateur hour running of the club. Although some have misgivings about the latest direction we have taken at least there is a structure, an ethos and lines of accountability for the club. Following Webbers' departing we seemed to have all and sundry running support of the head coach (DW) which ultimately resulted in the shambles we are trying to recover from. And for clarity, and the umpteenth time, DHs awful illness wasn't the cause it merely made a poor situation far worse. As for cheap season tickets. Undoubtedly a great initiative but does it mean that I was more entitled to complain about the Robins/Powell years because I was paying over 100% more? It's a nonsense argument, whatever they cost the decision to purchase and make the effort to come and watch the team still has to be made. That commitment is the same. Just because I am paying substantially less doesn't mean it makes it any easier to watch poor football and players who you can't fathom how they were recruited. I have every respect for DH, he did many great things for us. I don't have any issue with him getting his cash back. Although I would say the deal he came up with looks increasingly questionable. But we cannot continue to excuse or ignore some of the mistakes made. I make this point so that those mistakes have been learned from. The only person who has come out and admitted mistakes have been made is Devlin , and all credit to him for that. What happens next will still lead back to DH too. He came up with the idea to approach PH and he is ultimately responsible for that decision. DH, quite rightly, has much credit with us but if this latest choice of direction doesn't work (and it needs time to show signs of progress....at least 2 years) then the finger of blame is with DH as much as PH. I don't want to be criticising DH at all but there are salient and unequivocal truths that we all need to acknowledge. As good a man as DH is he's made a pigs ear of much of our opportunity to build on DWs outstanding success. That's not being nasty or in any way ungrateful it's just a fact. We do need to move on and see what happens now but as long as we continue to debate how we got to where we are we shouldn't avoid the inconvenient truth.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Aug 8, 2020 8:46:23 GMT 1
How can it be irrelevant? Youre saying he pissed away all the money ( on crap players ) but then claim its irrelevant that he didn;t choose any of those players? What is relevant is that DH presided over what has proved to be little more than an amateur hour running of the club. Although some have misgivings about the latest direction we have taken at least there is a structure, an ethos and lines of accountability for the club. Following Webbers' departing we seemed to have all and sundry running support of the head coach (DW) which ultimately resulted in the shambles we are trying to recover from. And for clarity, and the umpteenth time, DHs awful illness wasn't the cause it merely made a poor situation far worse. As for cheap season tickets. Undoubtedly a great initiative but does it mean that I was more entitled to complain about the Robins/Powell years because I was paying over 100% more? It's a nonsense argument, whatever they cost the decision to purchase and make the effort to come and watch the team still has to be made. That commitment is the same. Just because I am paying substantially less doesn't mean it makes it any easier to watch poor football and players who you can't fathom how they were recruited. I have every respect for DH, he did many great things for us. I don't have any issue with him getting his cash back. Although I would say the deal he came up with looks increasingly questionable. But we cannot continue to excuse or ignore some of the mistakes made. I make this point so that those mistakes have been learned from. The only person who has come out and admitted mistakes have been made is Devlin , and all credit to him for that. What happens next will still lead back to DH too. He came up with the idea to approach PH and he is ultimately responsible for that decision. DH, quite rightly, has much credit with us but if this latest choice of direction doesn't work (and it needs time to show signs of progress....at least 2 years) then the finger of blame is with DH as much as PH. I don't want to be criticising DH at all but there are salient and unequivocal truths that we all need to acknowledge. As good a man as DH is he's made a pigs ear of much of our opportunity to build on DWs outstanding success. That's not being nasty or in any way ungrateful it's just a fact. We do need to move on and see what happens now but as long as we continue to debate how we got to where we are we shouldn't avoid the inconvenient truth. Nope - it's an opinion - unless you know the precise details of who was responsible for recruitment in 2018-19 and full details of when exactly DH became ill and lost his ability to run the club as he had previously.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Aug 8, 2020 9:27:41 GMT 1
How can it be irrelevant? Youre saying he pissed away all the money ( on crap players ) but then claim its irrelevant that he didn;t choose any of those players? What is relevant is that DH presided over what has proved to be little more than an amateur hour running of the club. Although some have misgivings about the latest direction we have taken at least there is a structure, an ethos and lines of accountability for the club. Following Webbers' departing we seemed to have all and sundry running support of the head coach (DW) which ultimately resulted in the shambles we are trying to recover from. And for clarity, and the umpteenth time, DHs awful illness wasn't the cause it merely made a poor situation far worse. As for cheap season tickets. Undoubtedly a great initiative but does it mean that I was more entitled to complain about the Robins/Powell years because I was paying over 100% more? It's a nonsense argument, whatever they cost the decision to purchase and make the effort to come and watch the team still has to be made. That commitment is the same. Just because I am paying substantially less doesn't mean it makes it any easier to watch poor football and players who you can't fathom how they were recruited. I have every respect for DH, he did many great things for us. I don't have any issue with him getting his cash back. Although I would say the deal he came up with looks increasingly questionable. But we cannot continue to excuse or ignore some of the mistakes made. I make this point so that those mistakes have been learned from. The only person who has come out and admitted mistakes have been made is Devlin , and all credit to him for that. What happens next will still lead back to DH too. He came up with the idea to approach PH and he is ultimately responsible for that decision. DH, quite rightly, has much credit with us but if this latest choice of direction doesn't work (and it needs time to show signs of progress....at least 2 years) then the finger of blame is with DH as much as PH. I don't want to be criticising DH at all but there are salient and unequivocal truths that we all need to acknowledge. As good a man as DH is he's made a pigs ear of much of our opportunity to build on DWs outstanding success. That's not being nasty or in any way ungrateful it's just a fact. We do need to move on and see what happens now but as long as we continue to debate how we got to where we are we shouldn't avoid the inconvenient truth. Questionable? The man put £61 million pounds of his own money, £61 million, into Town, with no guarantee he would see it again, so which part of him recouping his money is questionable? DW's outstanding success looks more like alchemy when you consider our inability to score goals but attracting PL quality players to Huddersfield was always going to be very hard. As a businessman, and someone who wants Town to run as a self sustaining business, using the two PL seasons and parachute payments to clear the clubs debts, and this is what they are, makes good business sense. Our recruitment was poor but other clubs have spent a lot more and still struggled. We are, hopefully, now back on course for a strategic build of our squad and playing style, which was the long term plan when DW joined. Us getting promoted was so unexpected I doubt we had time to gear up in a business, or playing, sense. "Unequivocal truths"? What exactly are these and how, in your opinion, should it have been done differently?
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Post by dugnet on Aug 8, 2020 11:53:25 GMT 1
What is relevant is that DH presided over what has proved to be little more than an amateur hour running of the club. Although some have misgivings about the latest direction we have taken at least there is a structure, an ethos and lines of accountability for the club. Following Webbers' departing we seemed to have all and sundry running support of the head coach (DW) which ultimately resulted in the shambles we are trying to recover from. And for clarity, and the umpteenth time, DHs awful illness wasn't the cause it merely made a poor situation far worse. As for cheap season tickets. Undoubtedly a great initiative but does it mean that I was more entitled to complain about the Robins/Powell years because I was paying over 100% more? It's a nonsense argument, whatever they cost the decision to purchase and make the effort to come and watch the team still has to be made. That commitment is the same. Just because I am paying substantially less doesn't mean it makes it any easier to watch poor football and players who you can't fathom how they were recruited. I have every respect for DH, he did many great things for us. I don't have any issue with him getting his cash back. Although I would say the deal he came up with looks increasingly questionable. But we cannot continue to excuse or ignore some of the mistakes made. I make this point so that those mistakes have been learned from. The only person who has come out and admitted mistakes have been made is Devlin , and all credit to him for that. What happens next will still lead back to DH too. He came up with the idea to approach PH and he is ultimately responsible for that decision. DH, quite rightly, has much credit with us but if this latest choice of direction doesn't work (and it needs time to show signs of progress....at least 2 years) then the finger of blame is with DH as much as PH. I don't want to be criticising DH at all but there are salient and unequivocal truths that we all need to acknowledge. As good a man as DH is he's made a pigs ear of much of our opportunity to build on DWs outstanding success. That's not being nasty or in any way ungrateful it's just a fact. We do need to move on and see what happens now but as long as we continue to debate how we got to where we are we shouldn't avoid the inconvenient truth. Nope - it's an opinion - unless you know the precise details of who was responsible for recruitment in 2018-19 and full details of when exactly DH became ill and lost his ability to run the club as he had previously. I'd politely suggest you read exactly what I wrote. I didn't say he was directly responsible for the transfers but it is true to say he shaped the organisational structure that was responsible for this. The revolving door of DOF candidates would suggest the plan and thinking was at best muddled or at worst ill conceived. The damage was done long before he suffered his dreadful illness. But if you want to use that example the fact the clubs ability to function was significantly hindered by his awful condition also points to there being a lack of structure that allowed things to continue effectively. My disappointment with DH is he hasn't been as open as we had previously come to expect. I do appreciate that things changed in his life but the fact people have questions show things could have been better.
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Post by dugnet on Aug 8, 2020 12:09:27 GMT 1
What is relevant is that DH presided over what has proved to be little more than an amateur hour running of the club. Although some have misgivings about the latest direction we have taken at least there is a structure, an ethos and lines of accountability for the club. Following Webbers' departing we seemed to have all and sundry running support of the head coach (DW) which ultimately resulted in the shambles we are trying to recover from. And for clarity, and the umpteenth time, DHs awful illness wasn't the cause it merely made a poor situation far worse. As for cheap season tickets. Undoubtedly a great initiative but does it mean that I was more entitled to complain about the Robins/Powell years because I was paying over 100% more? It's a nonsense argument, whatever they cost the decision to purchase and make the effort to come and watch the team still has to be made. That commitment is the same. Just because I am paying substantially less doesn't mean it makes it any easier to watch poor football and players who you can't fathom how they were recruited. I have every respect for DH, he did many great things for us. I don't have any issue with him getting his cash back. Although I would say the deal he came up with looks increasingly questionable. But we cannot continue to excuse or ignore some of the mistakes made. I make this point so that those mistakes have been learned from. The only person who has come out and admitted mistakes have been made is Devlin , and all credit to him for that. What happens next will still lead back to DH too. He came up with the idea to approach PH and he is ultimately responsible for that decision. DH, quite rightly, has much credit with us but if this latest choice of direction doesn't work (and it needs time to show signs of progress....at least 2 years) then the finger of blame is with DH as much as PH. I don't want to be criticising DH at all but there are salient and unequivocal truths that we all need to acknowledge. As good a man as DH is he's made a pigs ear of much of our opportunity to build on DWs outstanding success. That's not being nasty or in any way ungrateful it's just a fact. We do need to move on and see what happens now but as long as we continue to debate how we got to where we are we shouldn't avoid the inconvenient truth. Questionable? The man put £61 million pounds of his own money, £61 million, into Town, with no guarantee he would see it again, so which part of him recouping his money is questionable? DW's outstanding success looks more like alchemy when you consider our inability to score goals but attracting PL quality players to Huddersfield was always going to be very hard. As a businessman, and someone who wants Town to run as a self sustaining business, using the two PL seasons and parachute payments to clear the clubs debts, and this is what they are, makes good business sense. Our recruitment was poor but other clubs have spent a lot more and still struggled. We are, hopefully, now back on course for a strategic build of our squad and playing style, which was the long term plan when DW joined. Us getting promoted was so unexpected I doubt we had time to gear up in a business, or playing, sense. "Unequivocal truths"? What exactly are these and how, in your opinion, should it have been done differently? As with above please read what I have written. I have NO issue with him recouping his loans. What is questionable in my opinion is why the deal he structured was the best option for the club? Why was PH (formed the jury is out, there are positives and negatives) the right man? What was the long term vision. As for transfers you seem to think my issue is with money, it isn't. I completely agree that money is no guarantee of success in the transfer market, both in fees and wages. My issue, as above, the solid structure of responsibility appeared to be completely abandoned after Webber left. Moss did a decent job but then left. After then it seemed that looking from the outside our approach was haphazard and entirely random. Had we a plan, as we appear to be working towards now, such as (and I'm just using this as an example) Norwich ie controlled investment with an eye to a sustainable long term view (which would appear to be what you are advocating) then we would have all understood better. There was no obvious long term plan and worse than that we wasted a position of relative strength. So for the, final, avoidance of doubt my issue is about having a vision, plan and communication strategy that would have kept the fans informed and on side. I don't think many would disagree that it is pretty unequivocal that this is what happened. It's not a case of kicking a good man who has given so much to our club. It is certainly not a case of saying he should essentially donate his hard earned cash to HTAFC. It is however a case of saying we could have done much better. I have posted before that good people make mistakes and DH is certainly not immune to this observation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 12:25:33 GMT 1
Questionable? The man put £61 million pounds of his own money, £61 million, into Town, with no guarantee he would see it again, so which part of him recouping his money is questionable? DW's outstanding success looks more like alchemy when you consider our inability to score goals but attracting PL quality players to Huddersfield was always going to be very hard. As a businessman, and someone who wants Town to run as a self sustaining business, using the two PL seasons and parachute payments to clear the clubs debts, and this is what they are, makes good business sense. Our recruitment was poor but other clubs have spent a lot more and still struggled. We are, hopefully, now back on course for a strategic build of our squad and playing style, which was the long term plan when DW joined. Us getting promoted was so unexpected I doubt we had time to gear up in a business, or playing, sense. "Unequivocal truths"? What exactly are these and how, in your opinion, should it have been done differently? As with above please read what I have written. I have NO issue with him recouping his loans. What is questionable in my opinion is why the deal he structured was the best option for the club? Why was PH (formed the jury is out, there are positives and negatives) the right man? What was the long term vision. As for transfers you seem to think my issue is with money, it isn't. I completely agree that money is no guarantee of success in the transfer market, both in fees and wages. My issue, as above, the solid structure of responsibility appeared to be completely abandoned after Webber left. Moss did a decent job but then left. After then it seemed that looking from the outside our approach was haphazard and entirely random. Had we a plan, as we appear to be working towards now, such as (and I'm just using this as an example) Norwich ie controlled investment with an eye to a sustainable long term view (which would appear to be what you are advocating) then we would have all understood better. There was no obvious long term plan and worse than that we wasted a position of relative strength. So for the, final, avoidance of doubt my issue is about having a vision, plan and communication strategy that would have kept the fans informed and on side. I don't think many would disagree that it is pretty unequivocal that this is what happened. It's not a case of kicking a good man who has given so much to our club. It is certainly not a case of saying he should essentially donate his hard earned cash to HTAFC. It is however a case of saying we could have done much better. I have posted before that good people make mistakes and DH is certainly not immune to this observation. no one is immune dugnet and dean I'm sure will know that. I just feel we have to move on because I'm sure yiu will agree we have plenty of work to do.one thing I am sure about there is no lack of determination by the club in there efforts to get the club through this difficult time
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Post by sabailand on Aug 8, 2020 12:56:36 GMT 1
Celtic would be a bottom six club, Scott Brown in the Premiership 😂😂 Celtic and Rangers current squads would be relegated from the PL. but if they were admitted to pl they would have the money to get a different squad and the marketing power of those two brands would get them top 6 in no time at all, they would be ripe for takeover and would end up denying two English clubs the chance of europe each season - and that is why english clubs wouldn’t vote them in. Whenever this crops up i`ve basically said the same as you, both massive clubs, huge support, big grounds, famous worldwide, a premier league place with all that on top would have top players wanting to play for them, they would both eventually do well in the premier league.
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