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Post by unmontóndedbueyes on Nov 14, 2020 23:00:32 GMT 1
You dont think a close vote should allow or encourage the loser to refuse to go quietly and make trouble and stall or delay the winning team then? Or is it ok if you believe your opinion, views and policies were RIGHT and therefore fighting should continue because those havent changed and you are still RIGHT?? Difficult one, see brexit vote for details...? Dont please try to tell us this is different, it isnt. Bad loser or you personally still believing the other side lied and cheated and the people made the wrong choice?? Or just both? Trump gets his day in court because the people, far, far too many of them voted for him. Against all the predictions from those who know better. It's the whole of Americas 'fault', if they didnt allow the people to decide, this wouldn't happen? De ja vu? What a load of tosh. Trump was calling foul even before the election because he knew he may not win and wanted his cult followers to still  him even though the electoral college vote majority of Biden has turned out as large as Trump got last time and with millions more of the popular vote compared to millions less of the popular vote he got. You can’t just invent stuff and say you have won big when you haven’t just to delay the usual due process. Trump is also running scared of a load of legal cases waiting until he is no longer President so is desperate to hold on as there are some that are subject to statute of limitations that will expire if he gets another term. No doubt he will try to pardon himself if allowed or stand down for a couple of days so Pence can pardon him. |
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Post by Oti's Ego on Nov 15, 2020 0:09:14 GMT 1
You dont think a close vote should allow or encourage the loser to refuse to go quietly and make trouble and stall or delay the winning team then? Or is it ok if you believe your opinion, views and policies were RIGHT and therefore fighting should continue because those havent changed and you are still RIGHT?? Difficult one, see brexit vote for details...? Dont please try to tell us this is different, it isnt. Bad loser or you personally still believing the other side lied and cheated and the people made the wrong choice?? Or just both? Trump gets his day in court because the people, far, far too many of them voted for him. Against all the predictions from those who know better. It's the whole of Americas 'fault', if they didnt allow the people to decide, this wouldn't happen? De ja vu? What a load of tosh. Trump was calling foul even before the election because he knew he may not win and wanted his cult followers to still him even though the electoral college vote majority of Biden has turned out as large as Trump got last time and with millions more of the popular vote compared to millions less of the popular vote he got. You can’t just invent stuff and say you have won big when you haven’t just to delay the usual due process. Trump is also running scared of a load of legal cases waiting until he is no longer President so is desperate to hold on as there are some that are subject to statute of limitations that will expire if he gets another term. No doubt he will try to pardon himself if allowed or stand down for a couple of days so Pence can pardon him. That's the scenario that I'm expecting. Maybe this play is all linked to that happening (e.g. he'll claim some sort of moral victory over Biden that justifies a pardon - at least to his base), but how would Pence deal with that? Would he be complicit knowing that it could harm any future chance of running? They used to say our PMQ's was getting to be too much like a Punch and Judy show, but US politics in it's current form takes it to a whole new level... |
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Post by Oti's Ego on Nov 18, 2020 21:02:52 GMT 1
I'm not on Twitter but I have a look every few days on DJT's account and sometimes his devils spawn son Jr.
His barrage today suggests he's not going quietly still.
They might have to taser him to get him out...
Galph, just to counter something you'll probably comment on later. Would you genuinely imagine any other outgoing president to behave like this?
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Post by Tedchipster on Nov 18, 2020 21:06:18 GMT 1
I'm not on Twitter but I have a look every few days on DJT's account and sometimes his devils spawn son Jr. His barrage today suggests he's not going quietly still. They might have to taser him to get him out... Galph, just to counter something you'll probably comment on later. Would you genuinely imagine any other outgoing president to behave like this? If this was a leader in zimbabwe or libya galph would be doing his nut about corrupt dictators |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 18, 2020 22:31:50 GMT 1
I'm not on Twitter but I have a look every few days on DJT's account and sometimes his devils spawn son Jr. His barrage today suggests he's not going quietly still. They might have to taser him to get him out... Galph, just to counter something you'll probably comment on later. Would you genuinely imagine any other outgoing president to behave like this? If this was a leader in zimbabwe or libya galph would be doing his nut about corrupt dictators Always said he was unhinged but he is their unhinged. USA has spent the last 4 years with him being divisive, his opponents being divisive and it's just gone on and on. We have had presidents invading without cause and later ones putting more soldiers on the ground where they should not be but the oppositions mainly either supported or stayed out of it. Obama had 8 years of nothing other than killing what they told us was Osama, killing more middle eastern folks in their own back yards and losing more troops pointlessly, but he got backing as the Pres? So I'm aware of his divisiveness and I'm aware of the lunatics involved at the top of the Democrats, not Joe but he isnt running the show. He lost the election but had it been as close the other way the vitriol is so strong there at this time that I believe the shit would still have hit the fan. The Democrats will try to get welfare through the roof, dependency is a tool to control, the Republicans will get in the way. 4 years of huge statements with nothing to show, other than the bill is on the way. There are not many nice people anywhere near the top of US politics. It would not have been Joe calling the nasty names but even he got a bit iffy during the race. I didnt actually hear anyone on either side I would trust with walking my dogs. |
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Post by unmontóndedbueyes on Nov 22, 2020 2:00:51 GMT 1
Interesting that even Fox News Tucker Carlson was critical of Trumps attorney for not providing any evidence for the outlandish claims she made about voter fraud. And then loads of Trump cult members giving Carlson grief calling him a traitor, globalist and saying he has committed treason!
Carlson is not exactly a liberal!
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Post by Oti's Ego on Nov 22, 2020 8:43:53 GMT 1
Interesting that even Fox News Tucker Carlson was critical of Trumps attorney for not providing any evidence for the outlandish claims she made about voter fraud. And then loads of Trump cult members giving Carlson grief calling him a traitor, globalist and saying he has committed treason! Carlson is not exactly a liberal! It's stark staring bonkers, but it's also very dangerous. At the moment it appears that things aren't spilling over the edge internationally, nor too much domestically, but looking on from a distance it looks like a powder keg waiting to go off. Lawsuits being thrown out everywhere, new ones being lodged. All paid for by a campaign unwilling to concede and clutch at every passing straw. Meanwhile he continues to spout shite on Twitter and play golf. The sign of true leadership... |
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Post by DeepSpace on Nov 22, 2020 9:07:27 GMT 1
Interesting that even Fox News Tucker Carlson was critical of Trumps attorney for not providing any evidence for the outlandish claims she made about voter fraud. And then loads of Trump cult members giving Carlson grief calling him a traitor, globalist and saying he has committed treason! Carlson is not exactly a liberal! It's stark staring bonkers, but it's also very dangerous. At the moment it appears that things aren't spilling over the edge internationally, nor too much domestically, but looking on from a distance it looks like a powder keg waiting to go off. Lawsuits being thrown out everywhere, new ones being lodged. All paid for by a campaign unwilling to concede and clutch at every passing straw. Meanwhile he continues to spout shite on Twitter and play golf. The sign of true leadership... I did read something a while ago that predicted that there probably wouldn't be the kind of violent rioting that some were foreseeing (I might have linked to it a few pages back, I forget)...the argument was that the people who would actually want to stir that up are a handful of rednecks, who will lose interest eventually, & keyboard warriors who are really just an echo chamber. Fingers crossed that turns out to be largely true.
What is actually far more damaging is the obvious plan Trump seems to have of leaving as much mess to clean up as possible (up to & including his apparent plan to launch either a physical or cyber attack on Iran). It's hard to see that he doesn't see himself as some sort of Messiah that will return from the dead, even if it's in 4 years time, & giving the Biden presidency four years worth of havoc to deal with would no doubt help that along.
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Post by Oti's Ego on Nov 22, 2020 11:55:54 GMT 1
Yep, a tantrum with consequences...
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Post by sabailand on Nov 22, 2020 12:12:18 GMT 1
Trump reminds me of remain voters after Brexit, petulant, childish, wont take no for an answer...its over Donald, the US has a new president get over it, let things unfold for good or bad.
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Post by unmontóndedbueyes on Nov 22, 2020 12:16:46 GMT 1
Trump reminds me of remain voters after Brexit, petulant, childish, wont take no for an answer...its over Donald, the US has a new president get over it, let things unfold for good or bad. Yes and remain voters claimed they had won the referendum as well. Oh hang on that never happened did it? |
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Post by sabailand on Nov 22, 2020 12:35:13 GMT 1
Trump reminds me of remain voters after Brexit, petulant, childish, wont take no for an answer...its over Donald, the US has a new president get over it, let things unfold for good or bad. Yes and remain voters claimed they had won the referendum as well. Oh hang on that never happened did it? Well no...because they lost. ;)Still didnt stop them showing many of the characteristics of Trump though, like peas in a pod. |
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Post by unmontóndedbueyes on Nov 22, 2020 12:39:13 GMT 1
Yes and remain voters claimed they had won the referendum as well. Oh hang on that never happened did it? Well no...because they lost. ;)Still didnt stop them showing many of the characteristics of Trump though, like peas in a pod. Trump lost and it didn’t stop him claiming he had won- Big! 😂🤣 |
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Post by artysid on Nov 22, 2020 12:43:27 GMT 1
Trump reminds me of remain voters after Brexit, petulant, childish, wont take no for an answer...its over Donald, the US has a new president get over it, let things unfold for good or bad. It's not unusual in elections for people to accept they've lost, but vowing to fight on (Farage gave his "fight on" speech before he realised they'd won). It's called democracy. But please tell us the names of any 'remainer' you can think of who didn't accept they'd lost the vote or claimed fraud in the voting system? If you can't I'm not sure what you're on about Sabby. Maybe you're just a sore winner? |
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Post by sabailand on Nov 22, 2020 12:59:04 GMT 1
Trump reminds me of remain voters after Brexit, petulant, childish, wont take no for an answer...its over Donald, the US has a new president get over it, let things unfold for good or bad. It's not unusual in elections for people to accept they've lost, but vowing to fight on (Farage gave his "fight on" speech before he realised they'd won). It's called democracy. But please tell us the names of any 'remainer' you can think of who didn't accept they'd lost the vote or claimed fraud in the voting system? If you can't I'm not sure what you're on about Sabby. Maybe you're just a sore winner? I know, it was just an observation thats all, sometimes people dont take a post in the spirit it was intended....oh and you can add the SNP to that duo as well.  |
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Post by Oti's Ego on Nov 22, 2020 13:01:32 GMT 1
Trump reminds me of remain voters after Brexit, petulant, childish, wont take no for an answer...its over Donald, the US has a new president get over it, let things unfold for good or bad. Really? Holding the nation to ransom? All I've seen is a continuation of the debate prior to the referendum. There were some people afterwards who wanted the legal due process to conclude, but once it had that was it. The delays have been largely around that and the terms of the deal, which sounds sensible, not childish or petulant. I think you've exaggerated the similarities there. |
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Post by DeepSpace on Nov 22, 2020 13:04:58 GMT 1
Trump reminds me of remain voters after Brexit, petulant, childish, wont take no for an answer...its over Donald, the US has a new president get over it, let things unfold for good or bad. Really? Holding the nation to ransom? All I've seen is a continuation of the debate prior to the referendum. There were some people afterwards who wanted the legal due process to conclude, but once it had that was it. The delays have been largely around that and the terms of the deal, which sounds sensible, not childish or petulant. I think you've exaggerated the similarities there. I voted leave but have loads of friends & family who went the other way. Within the Labour Party, I’m an obvious outlier. But I never see, hear or read of anyone saying the vote was rigged. Some people think there should be another one, which is probably closer to Trump’s behaviour but on the whole that’s a bit of a silly comparison. |
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Post by sabailand on Nov 22, 2020 13:08:58 GMT 1
Trump reminds me of remain voters after Brexit, petulant, childish, wont take no for an answer...its over Donald, the US has a new president get over it, let things unfold for good or bad. Really? Holding the nation to ransom? All I've seen is a continuation of the debate prior to the referendum. There were some people afterwards who wanted the legal due process to conclude, but once it had that was it. The delays have been largely around that and the terms of the deal, which sounds sensible, not childish or petulant. I think you've exaggerated the similarities there. See my previous post. |
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Post by Oti's Ego on Nov 22, 2020 13:11:53 GMT 1
Really? Holding the nation to ransom? All I've seen is a continuation of the debate prior to the referendum. There were some people afterwards who wanted the legal due process to conclude, but once it had that was it. The delays have been largely around that and the terms of the deal, which sounds sensible, not childish or petulant. I think you've exaggerated the similarities there. See my previous post. How am I supposed to know how your post was intended? A classic example of how shit propagates really easily and quickly. After the carnage, the instigator always says, "well actually, I never expected you to take it seriously"... |
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Post by leedsroadrob on Nov 22, 2020 13:23:21 GMT 1
I'm not sure what you're on about Sabby. New thread? |
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Post by unmontóndedbueyes on Nov 24, 2020 0:15:42 GMT 1
What a crazy country. Classic stuff.
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Post by DeepSpace on Nov 24, 2020 7:49:48 GMT 1
Looks like he's finally accepting defeat...in a manner reminiscent of the average 6-year-old of course.
"All right then, you can have it, but it's still not fair!"
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Post by Oti's Ego on Nov 24, 2020 9:41:21 GMT 1
What a crazy country. Classic stuff. Loons... Who probably have tons of supporters with guns... |
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Post by Oti's Ego on Nov 30, 2020 17:49:44 GMT 1
Just having another 5min check on Trumps Twitter.
Still mad as ever... It's like Town going into the last game of the season, 10pts adrift of safety & then rolling out loads of appeals about dodgy penalty decisions that would have gained us another 15pts...
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Post by captainblack on Dec 1, 2020 9:55:12 GMT 1
Just having another 5min check on Trumps Twitter. Still mad as ever... It's like Town going into the last game of the season, 10pts adrift of safety & then rolling out loads of appeals about dodgy penalty decisions that would have gained us another 15pts... He will soon be gone , but poor old Joe has tripped over a blade of grass and is now on the treatment table! Joe could end up similar to a few Town players who constantly need the old physio !  |
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Post by artysid on Dec 1, 2020 10:01:00 GMT 1
Just having another 5min check on Trumps Twitter. Still mad as ever... It's like Town going into the last game of the season, 10pts adrift of safety & then rolling out loads of appeals about dodgy penalty decisions that would have gained us another 15pts... He will soon be gone , but poor old Joe has tripped over a blade of grass and is now on the treatment table! Joe could end up similar to a few Town players who constantly need the old physio ! Is this a "Pritchard for President" call? |
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Post by captainblack on Dec 1, 2020 10:13:47 GMT 1
He will soon be gone , but poor old Joe has tripped over a blade of grass and is now on the treatment table! Joe could end up similar to a few Town players who constantly need the old physio ! Is this a "Pritchard for President" call? I think Joe Biden is probably less injury prone than Pritchard!  A potential January signing "lightning Joe" |
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Post by Oti's Ego on Dec 11, 2020 13:26:12 GMT 1
I must admit that I thought this would have levelled out by now, but no, Trump keeps going at this.
He really will cause the US some real damage, maybe they will need to taser him to get him out of there...
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Post by DeepSpace on Dec 11, 2020 21:15:28 GMT 1
I must admit that I thought this would have levelled out by now, but no, Trump keeps going at this. He really will cause the US some real damage, maybe they will need to taser him to get him out of there... It goes without saying that I’m a million miles away from any sort of expertise on the American legal system, but one thing I read was interesting. The article was talking about whether the Supreme Court might throw him a lifeline, but what I hadn’t really appreciated was that to get that far, he has to lose each court case. In fact, he isn’t losing them as such, the majority are being thrown out of court as lacking any validity legally, at which point they screech to a halt & can go no further within their system. If they do have to taser him out, I really hope the whole thing is streamed live. I’d pay very good money to see that! |
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Post by Oti's Ego on Dec 11, 2020 21:22:52 GMT 1
PM me so I know where to send the popcorn...
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him even though the electoral college vote majority of Biden has turned out as large as Trump got last time and with millions more of the popular vote compared to millions less of the popular vote he got.
