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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 22, 2021 19:22:37 GMT 1
BBC reporting that the semi final and final will have 60,000 fans in to Wembley. What is the difference between 60,000 and 90,000. has someone done some modelling to say the extra 30,000 is just simply too dangerous. Its a shambles I tell thee. Chris Whitty will be having a fit.
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Jun 22, 2021 19:45:15 GMT 1
BBC reporting that the semi final and final will have 60,000 fans in to Wembley. What is the difference between 60,000 and 90,000. has someone done some modelling to say the extra 30,000 is just simply too dangerous. Its a shambles I tell thee. Chris Whitty will be having a fit. Just imagine if Scotland get there. Public health England, Scotland and Nicola will have meltdown. Maybe change it to Manchester as the Scots aren't allowed there 😂😂😂
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Post by space hardware on Jun 22, 2021 19:48:11 GMT 1
BBC reporting that the semi final and final will have 60,000 fans in to Wembley. What is the difference between 60,000 and 90,000. has someone done some modelling to say the extra 30,000 is just simply too dangerous. Its a shambles I tell thee. Chris Whitty will be having a fit. Seeing his cushy little gravy train finally come off the tracks?
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Post by softboy on Jun 22, 2021 19:54:42 GMT 1
Just wait till we know the teams in the semi finals and finals. All these countries will go on the "green" list for a few weeks then back to "red". Just as Portugal did to allow fans to attend the Champions League Final. Footballs Governing Body will, I am sure, have made this a conditions of England holding these games.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 23, 2021 7:10:26 GMT 1
So in theory, the footballing bodies hold more power and have a larger sway across the globe than the European Parliaments. It seems to me that they click their fingers and MP’s jump. Rules are being changed daily to accommodate UEFA. Money talks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 8:37:13 GMT 1
So in theory, the footballing bodies hold more power and have a larger sway across the globe than the European Parliaments. It seems to me that they click their fingers and MP’s jump. Rules are being changed daily to accommodate UEFA. Money talks. The rather ridiculous thing is that football doesn't even bring that much money in! The company I work at contributes approximately 5x more to the UK economy than all of professional football combined, and supports approximately triple the number of jobs...yet we don't get to avoid the rules!
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Post by softboy on Jun 23, 2021 9:22:05 GMT 1
So in theory, the footballing bodies hold more power and have a larger sway across the globe than the European Parliaments. It seems to me that they click their fingers and MP’s jump. Rules are being changed daily to accommodate UEFA. Money talks. I don't think there is any "theory" about it - football has far more power that any Government, Scientist etc. As a side issue and as sort of proof Billy Gilmour tested positive to Covid and had to self isolate. 2 English players had a chat with him and they have to self isolate BUT between the match on Friday and his Covid test on Monday he did not come into contact with any of his team mates, manager, coaching staff etc (really). If this had been a normal office, factory etc all the people would have had to self isolate for 10 days whether they had be vacinated or got a negative test.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 10:34:10 GMT 1
So in theory, the footballing bodies hold more power and have a larger sway across the globe than the European Parliaments. It seems to me that they click their fingers and MP’s jump. Rules are being changed daily to accommodate UEFA. Money talks. I don't think there is any "theory" about it - football has far more power that any Government, Scientist etc. As a side issue and as sort of proof Billy Gilmour tested positive to Covid and had to self isolate. 2 English players had a chat with him and they have to self isolate BUT between the match on Friday and his Covid test on Monday he did not come into contact with any of his team mates, manager, coaching staff etc (really). If this had been a normal office, factory etc all the people would have had to self isolate for 10 days whether they had be vacinated or got a negative test. To be fair, Scotland have been isolating since 1998 and likely will be doing again for the next 20 years 🙊 Actually the reason the England players had to isolate was nothing to do with embracing at the final whistle, it has been confirmed that its because they spent TWENTY FIVE MINUTES with Gilmour in the tunnel after the game. Hopefully Chilwell & Mount had a strip torn off them for doing this during a major tournament when the bubble rules are clearly known. I'd say they probably should be 'sent home' as punishment and as a reminder to the rest of the squad - but to be honest there should be people policing them and ensuring they don't continue with behaviours likely to see them forced (for no particularly good reason) to isolate. I mean, you can't hang around in a tunnel at Wembley for that long without someone noticing surely?!
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Post by canterburyterrier on Jun 23, 2021 12:19:16 GMT 1
Chris Whitty will be having a fit. Seeing his cushy little gravy train finally come off the tracks?Not sure what gravy train you are referring to. He is carrying out his job as Chief Medical Officer - he would be getting the same salary even if there was no pandemic. He gives advice - the government decides whether to act on it or not. To accuse him of profiteering is ridiculous.
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Post by 28901 on Jun 23, 2021 13:12:38 GMT 1
BBC reporting that the semi final and final will have 60,000 fans in to Wembley. What is the difference between 60,000 and 90,000. has someone done some modelling to say the extra 30,000 is just simply too dangerous. Its a shambles I tell thee. Chris Whitty will be having a fit. He is
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 23, 2021 13:59:48 GMT 1
Seeing his cushy little gravy train finally come off the tracks? Not sure what gravy train you are referring to. He is carrying out his job as Chief Medical Officer - he would be getting the same salary even if there was no pandemic. He gives advice - the government decides whether to act on it or not. To accuse him of profiteering is ridiculous. There are always opportunities to enhance your bank account and investment portfolio and he has profited from the pandemic. The longer it goes the more opportunities he gets. Common sense tells you it's so, never mind his known personal investments in vaccine and drug companies that have been front and centre in the treatments of this crisis. Wether that affects how he has advised and where is impartiality is at, is questionable at least but he may be a totally honourable human being and none of it ever entered his head during this time???
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Post by canterburyterrier on Jun 23, 2021 14:15:09 GMT 1
Not sure what gravy train you are referring to. He is carrying out his job as Chief Medical Officer - he would be getting the same salary even if there was no pandemic. He gives advice - the government decides whether to act on it or not. To accuse him of profiteering is ridiculous. There are always opportunities to enhance your bank account and investment portfolio and he has profited from the pandemic. The longer it goes the more opportunities he gets. Common sense tells you it's so, never mind his known personal investments in vaccine and drug companies that have been front and centre in the treatments of this crisis. Wether that affects how he has advised and where is impartiality is at, is questionable at least but he may be a totally honourable human being and none of it ever entered his head during this time??? According to his last declaration of investments to the MRC- he has no shareholdings or investments in companies ( CW MRC declaration). He has received no personal money from any large corporation despite claims by a number of conspiracy sites. He gets paid a significant amount of money for his roles but no more than a significant number of Headteachers andleaders of School academies. I think you are letting your bias against the advice get in the way of objective thinking.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 23, 2021 14:41:14 GMT 1
There are always opportunities to enhance your bank account and investment portfolio and he has profited from the pandemic. The longer it goes the more opportunities he gets. Common sense tells you it's so, never mind his known personal investments in vaccine and drug companies that have been front and centre in the treatments of this crisis. Wether that affects how he has advised and where is impartiality is at, is questionable at least but he may be a totally honourable human being and none of it ever entered his head during this time??? According to his last declaration of investments to the MRC- he has no shareholdings or investments in companies ( CW MRC declaration). He has received no personal money from any large corporation despite claims by a number of conspiracy sites. He gets paid a significant amount of money for his roles but no more than a significant number of Headteachers andleaders of School academies. I think you are letting your bias against the advice get in the way of objective thinking. I dont believe he has failed to enhance his financial opportunities gained due to his profile elevation during the last 15 months. I believe Mother Theresa never took a bean, everyone else who has an elevation of profile is another matter. I have nothing against his advice to the govt, my fear is that the removal of any other fact or opinion that went against it was dismissed, ignored or worse . Some people have made this one opinion against another,I just see it as an attack on scientific ideals where fact and opinion of those clearly qualified to give it and be heard and debated, simply were not. The reasons for that will become clear in the near future.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 23, 2021 15:24:11 GMT 1
There are always opportunities to enhance your bank account and investment portfolio and he has profited from the pandemic. The longer it goes the more opportunities he gets. Common sense tells you it's so, never mind his known personal investments in vaccine and drug companies that have been front and centre in the treatments of this crisis. Wether that affects how he has advised and where is impartiality is at, is questionable at least but he may be a totally honourable human being and none of it ever entered his head during this time??? According to his last declaration of investments to the MRC- he has no shareholdings or investments in companies ( CW MRC declaration). He has received no personal money from any large corporation despite claims by a number of conspiracy sites. He gets paid a significant amount of money for his roles but no more than a significant number of Headteachers andleaders of School academies. I think you are letting your bias against the advice get in the way of objective thinking. Think his financial rewards will come in the following years. Id be surprised if a book deal isn't already in place. Personal appearances, speeches and talks, no doubt a knighthood soon though his role probably gets one pandemic or not in time. His reward at the moment is that as a fanatical safety zealot he still has almost complete control over the lives of 67m people, which I imagine he's loving and doesn't want to give up any time soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 15:51:08 GMT 1
Some people have made this one opinion against another,I just see it as an attack on scientific ideals where fact and opinion of those clearly qualified to give it and be heard and debated, simply were not. The reasons for that will become clear in the near future. A big problem all along is fact's and opinion's of those clearly qualified to give it has NOT been fully heard and debated. The current participants in SAGE and the various sub-committees (PSI-B, PSI-M etc), along with the groups such as PHE, ONS, NHS, FSA, HSE and MoD that contribute, is typically roughly 20 at any one meeting, from a pool of just shy of 100 individuals since the first COBR briefing was called in relation to the pandemic. There's not enough variety of participants, given the very loud alternative scientific and mathematical viewpoints that are out there; the nature of the same people being involved in the whole picture encourages groupthink behaviour, when a more agile, dynamic approach was and is the real need. They have consistently and demonstrably got this wrong. The data is freely available to check this. When that happens repeatedly, you must change and get new inputs.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 23, 2021 17:08:41 GMT 1
Some people have made this one opinion against another,I just see it as an attack on scientific ideals where fact and opinion of those clearly qualified to give it and be heard and debated, simply were not. The reasons for that will become clear in the near future. A big problem all along is fact's and opinion's of those clearly qualified to give it has NOT been fully heard and debated. The current participants in SAGE and the various sub-committees (PSI-B, PSI-M etc), along with the groups such as PHE, ONS, NHS, FSA, HSE and MoD that contribute, is typically roughly 20 at any one meeting, from a pool of just shy of 100 individuals since the first COBR briefing was called in relation to the pandemic. There's not enough variety of participants, given the very loud alternative scientific and mathematical viewpoints that are out there; the nature of the same people being involved in the whole picture encourages groupthink behaviour, when a more agile, dynamic approach was and is the real need. They have consistently and demonstrably got this wrong. The data is freely available to check this. When that happens repeatedly, you must change and get new inputs. It's a pandemic, it's a crisis, the start of it is very questionable but once dealing with a nationwide crisis it's important there is one message, there were loads, it's important than finance and resources are deployed immediately, they took ages to do both. Once in a crisis and it's obvious that expert advice and logistics are wrong you change the personnel and bring in new thinking, new advice and new impetus? In every crisis in history we have changed advisors and ministers when it started going badly, not in this one? Why is the question? You dont change a good team, but you do change one that time after time gets it wrong, makes huge declarations that are miles out and drops as many bollocks as Hancock and others? No changes, no new advice requested or allowed.?
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Post by yorik on Jun 23, 2021 17:51:57 GMT 1
There are still a Lot of scaremongers out there crying everytime latest infections shown would still have everything closed hiding under there duvets believing everything the BBC,itv,etc tell them. So when the next strain the Kentucky fried chicken strain,the new Zealand lamb strain the haggis strain come along they keep us from full freedom. Time to get back to normal life and live with it
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Post by sabailand on Jun 23, 2021 19:16:02 GMT 1
There are still a Lot of scaremongers out there crying everytime latest infections shown would still have everything closed hiding under there duvets believing everything the BBC,itv,etc tell them. So when the next strain the Kentucky fried chicken strain,the new Zealand lamb strain the haggis strain come along they keep us from full freedom. Time to get back to normal life and live with it Definitely going to have to to some degree, the vaccines were meant to be a way out of this, people getting infected but very few needing an hospital.
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Post by ambryboy on Jun 24, 2021 14:28:40 GMT 1
Full capacity crowd at Silverstone Grand Prix. Presumably Covid is smart enough to know what type of event is going on. Strangely Association Football would appear to be more of a target for this pesky virus.
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Post by crux on Jun 24, 2021 15:00:36 GMT 1
Full capacity crowd at Silverstone Grand Prix. Presumably Covid is smart enough to know what type of event is going on. Strangely Association Football would appear to be more of a target for this pesky virus. My wife is getting well pissed off with this now - she appears to have the most dangerous hobbies in the world. She plays Saxophone in a small wind group and sings in two choirs - neither of which are allowed at all. The ban on choirs is particularly annoying with the fans singing at the football and with the video of the Scottish fans on the plane down to London. Meanwhile my less dangerous hobbies of Axe Throwing and Shooting are fine
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Post by 28901 on Jun 25, 2021 13:12:52 GMT 1
There are still a Lot of scaremongers out there crying everytime latest infections shown would still have everything closed hiding under there duvets believing everything the BBC,itv,etc tell them. So when the next strain the Kentucky fried chicken strain,the new Zealand lamb strain the haggis strain come along they keep us from full freedom. Time to get back to normal life and live with it Its going to be the 'Super' Delta variant apparently. I just wish they would fuck off. I'm not worried, my family isn't worried, no one I know is worried about catching it. On and on they drone, day after day, all day long, over and over again, trying their best to find a new angle to terrify the population into cowering in their bedrooms like Nick Hudd when the Zulus are in town. On the radio now someone reinforcing that the vaccine is working, but it isn't 100 per cent. Ok. But it was a minimal chance of dying under 80 without a vaccine before, and now we have a 90 per cent efficient vaccine. There is more chance of being struck by lightening.
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Post by 28901 on Jun 25, 2021 13:16:36 GMT 1
Full capacity crowd at Silverstone Grand Prix. Presumably Covid is smart enough to know what type of event is going on. Strangely Association Football would appear to be more of a target for this pesky virus. As far as I know none has died or even been seriously ill following these test events. 18,000 un masked undistanced at Edgbaston, that nightclub weekend in Liverpool etc. What was the point of them if nothing changes? Meanwhile Mancock slobbering all over some woman.
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Post by stinkypete on Jun 25, 2021 15:55:52 GMT 1
Anyone still bothering with a mask?
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 25, 2021 16:14:54 GMT 1
Full capacity crowd at Silverstone Grand Prix. Presumably Covid is smart enough to know what type of event is going on. Strangely Association Football would appear to be more of a target for this pesky virus. As far as I know none has died or even been seriously ill following these test events. 18,000 un masked undistanced at Edgbaston, that nightclub weekend in Liverpool etc. What was the point of them if nothing changes? Meanwhile Mancock slobbering all over some woman. 28 cases reported out of 58,000 attendees at the pilot events in April & May. Even then you've got two so called experts trying to put a negative slant on the report. www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/no-substantial-covid-outbreaks-reported-after-mass-test-events-report-finds/ar-AALrOeU?ocid=msedgntp
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Jun 25, 2021 16:34:55 GMT 1
Anyone still bothering with a mask? Only when entering Bradford
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Post by 28901 on Jun 25, 2021 18:20:59 GMT 1
28 cases all ok within a few days.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 5, 2021 17:40:15 GMT 1
No limits on capacity from the 19th July
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 17:42:21 GMT 1
Not going to be planning any away days just yet, but it won’t be long before my mates and I bite the bullet.
Fantastic news.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 5, 2021 17:52:30 GMT 1
Not going to be planning any away days just yet, but it won’t be long before my mates and I bite the bullet. Fantastic news. Indirectly related perhaps but I’ve just been able to book a seat on the coach to see Sutton United in their first ever L2 game at Forest Green Rovers. The travel secretary has said that Sutton expect to receive the full away allocation, so it is in line with announcements on the lifting of restrictions by Bojo.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 18:12:40 GMT 1
Not going to be planning any away days just yet, but it won’t be long before my mates and I bite the bullet. Fantastic news. Indirectly related perhaps but I’ve just been able to book a seat on the coach to see Sutton United in their first ever L2 game at Forest Green Rovers. The travel secretary has said that Sutton expect to receive the full away allocation, so it is in line with announcements on the lifting of restrictions by Bojo. That’s amazing news! We’ve pencilled in a fair few away days, but we’re going to wait for just a *few* more weeks before any of those plans come to fruition. Exciting times ahead.
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