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Post by Essex Terrier on Dec 9, 2020 11:07:19 GMT 1
Been laughing my head off for the past few hours (well, sleep apartš)! Hoggy is the very heartbeat of this and all other Town teams, his importance highlighted by his enforced absence last night.
I wonder what the chances are of his detractors coming on here to say they were wrong?
No, me neither.
Well done Hoggy, you are a bloody star!!
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 9, 2020 11:19:08 GMT 1
It amazes me how some like to write him off as soon as he has a poor game. Or even makes a single mistake sometimes. Always focussing on what he doesnt do and massively over exaggerating that,rather than what he does do.
He'll be pretty much the first name on the team sheet for Carlos just like hes been for every manager since Robins. As soon as he went off last night you could see the gaping hole he left in the side. Not just in how he sets the tempo and building blocks of our game but in the loss of genuine in game leadership.
Just hope we dont try and replace him with bacuna in that role, or Eiting really. Got to be OBrien or the new Spanish lad for me.
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Post by dm on Dec 9, 2020 11:20:56 GMT 1
As someone who has previously criticised Hogg, I have been impressed with him over the previous couple of games. Our domination last night was clearly missed from the minute he went off.
People say other midfielders need Hogg. I actually think its possibly as much Hogg needing the other more technically gifted midfielders to have good games. When JH is allowed to just do the pressing and closing with simple passes in and amongst, Hogg is massive. When Eiting, O'Brien, Bacuna, Pritchard aren't playing well it makes Hogg look bad because his limitations become more pronounced. When the other 4 aren't doing much, they can usually still find a Town man going forward. When they're not at it, Hogg's sideways and backward passing is frustrating.
I know that sounds harsh on Hogg - he plays the thankless role unfortunately.
That said, the last couple of games he has been outstanding.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 9, 2020 11:29:38 GMT 1
As someone who has previously criticised Hogg, I have been impressed with him over the previous couple of games. Our domination last night was clearly missed from the minute he went off. People say other midfielders need Hogg. I actually think its possibly as much Hogg needing the other more technically gifted midfielders to have good games. When JH is allowed to just do the pressing and closing with simple passes in and amongst, Hogg is massive. When Eiting, O'Brien, Bacuna, Pritchard aren't playing well it makes Hogg look bad because his limitations become more pronounced. When the other 4 aren't doing much, they can usually still find a Town man going forward. When they're not at it, Hogg's sideways and backward passing is frustrating. I know that sounds harsh on Hogg - he plays the thankless role unfortunately. That said, the last couple of games he has been outstanding. Not harsh. You have hit the nail in the head. This is what some people just donāt get. I think last night showed just how important Hoggy is.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Dec 9, 2020 11:44:47 GMT 1
Been laughing my head off for the past few hours (well, sleep apartš)! Hoggy is the very heartbeat of this and all other Town teams, his importance highlighted by his enforced absence last night. I wonder what the chances are of his detractors coming on here to say they were wrong? No, me neither. Well done Hoggy, you are a bloody star!! Iām happy to say I was a detractor, but it doesnāt mean Iām wrong. You canāt fault his effort. Iāve never seen him not give 100%. Defensively he breaks up play very well and at this level youād be hard pressed to find any better and at PL level he holds his own. But football is not just about defence, itās also about attack and Town has been particularly awful at that for a very long time. You are correct that he is the heartbeat and if a team canāt score then someone so important as the heartbeat canāt be devoid of criticism. Hogg wasnāt playing forward fast enough nor accurate enough and preferred to play backwards and conservative. It meant we had to breakdown teams defending with 10 behind the ball. He WAS part of the problem and rightly copped criticism. NOW that CC has worked with him, heās looking the best Iāve seen him play, and if he adds consistency to these recent performances, heāll be the leading DM in the league for both going forward and his defensive work. He now gives Town the ability to play through teams at pace and Iām loving what heās doing on the pitch.
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Post by drewden on Dec 9, 2020 11:52:14 GMT 1
Football is a team game, when confident passing and high pressure football is going on in your team, the Ƨonvidence levels goes up in the team as a whole, pleased for Hoggy that he has upped is game,
We are becoming a well drilled team that other teams are having problems with, do we sit back, do we press, it is becoming a nightmare for other teams.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Dec 9, 2020 11:58:45 GMT 1
I didn't think Hogg could fit into CC's system, as I don't care what anyone says, his natural default over the last few seasons has been to pass sideways or backwards, however, this may be down to various reasons: 1) ultra cautious coaching pre CC 2) confidence lost after so many losses in the last few years 3) lack of forward movement ahead of him.
All that aside, he has been superb in the last couple of games. Noone could ever fault Hoggy for effort, in all his Town games he has never given less than 100% & his tenacity has won us many games over the years. I have been harsh on him in the past but, IMO, he can never be classed as anything less than a true Town legend.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Dec 9, 2020 12:16:30 GMT 1
Been laughing my head off for the past few hours (well, sleep apartš)! Hoggy is the very heartbeat of this and all other Town teams, his importance highlighted by his enforced absence last night. I wonder what the chances are of his detractors coming on here to say they were wrong? No, me neither. Well done Hoggy, you are a bloody star!! Iām happy to say I was a detractor, but it doesnāt mean Iām wrong. You canāt fault his effort. Iāve never seen him not give 100%. Defensively he breaks up play very well and at this level youād be hard pressed to find any better and at PL level he holds his own. But football is not just about defence, itās also about attack and Town has been particularly awful at that for a very long time. You are correct that he is the heartbeat and if a team canāt score then someone so important as the heartbeat canāt be devoid of criticism. Hogg wasnāt playing forward fast enough nor accurate enough and preferred to play backwards and conservative. It meant we had to breakdown teams defending with 10 behind the ball. He WAS part of the problem and rightly copped criticism. NOW that CC has worked with him, heās looking the best Iāve seen him play, and if he adds consistency to these recent performances, heāll be the leading DM in the league for both going forward and his defensive work. He now gives Town the ability to play through teams at pace and Iām loving what heās doing on the pitch. Thank you, points noted & (generally) accepted, apology acknowledged. š¤ for Bournemouth
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 9, 2020 12:29:50 GMT 1
Hoggy suffered as bad as anyone in our relegation season and last season. I said I thought the club should allow him and Schindler to go for free in the summer for their own sanity as much as anything. But also as a reward for what theyāve given to the club.
Great to see him looking happy, snapping into challenges and passing in a more progressive manner.
Absolutely the 1st name on the team sheet. A leader of men and we are lucky to have him. Sure it said last night was his 250th appearance for us. Brilliant servant
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Post by upthetown on Dec 9, 2020 12:37:29 GMT 1
I too didnāt think he would really suit CCās system but he has been excellent recently.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 9, 2020 12:42:16 GMT 1
I didn't think Hogg could fit into CC's system, as I don't care what anyone says, his natural default over the last few seasons has been to pass sideways or backwards, however, this may be down to various reasons: 1) ultra cautious coaching pre CC 2) confidence lost after so many losses in the last few years 3) lack of forward movement ahead of him.All that aside, he has been superb in the last couple of games. Noone could ever fault Hoggy for effort, in all his Town games he has never given less than 100% & his tenacity has won us many games over the years. I have been harsh on him in the past but, IMO, he can never be classed as anything less than a true Town legend. Think that is the big one. Ive never thought he was a player that wants to pass negatively, just that he hasnt always had the options not to. Sometimes it meant he tries to force it, attempting passes that arent on or are just beyond him... and that leads onto another criticism he gets.. bollocking people when hes made an error. But that was down to the frustration of lack of good movement around him. Think any player in that deep lying midfield role needs players ahead of him who are willing to get into space and in Eiting and Koroma and our two full backs he has that now. Used to have it with Billing and Mooy. Hes perfect for CCs system of attacking, roaming full backs IMO. Someone to sit in, create a back 3 and dictate play.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Dec 9, 2020 12:54:11 GMT 1
Iām happy to say I was a detractor, but it doesnāt mean Iām wrong. You canāt fault his effort. Iāve never seen him not give 100%. Defensively he breaks up play very well and at this level youād be hard pressed to find any better and at PL level he holds his own. But football is not just about defence, itās also about attack and Town has been particularly awful at that for a very long time. You are correct that he is the heartbeat and if a team canāt score then someone so important as the heartbeat canāt be devoid of criticism. Hogg wasnāt playing forward fast enough nor accurate enough and preferred to play backwards and conservative. It meant we had to breakdown teams defending with 10 behind the ball. He WAS part of the problem and rightly copped criticism. NOW that CC has worked with him, heās looking the best Iāve seen him play, and if he adds consistency to these recent performances, heāll be the leading DM in the league for both going forward and his defensive work. He now gives Town the ability to play through teams at pace and Iām loving what heās doing on the pitch. Thank you, points noted & (generally) accepted, apology acknowledged. š¤ for Bournemouth More of an explanation of my criticism while also showing that I also rightly acknowledge when a player does well, as opposed to an apology. I try to be balanced in my opinions of players knowing that if you piss in someoneās pocket when they donāt deserve it, apart from having wet pants, they wonāt feel the need to improve. While on the flip side, if all you do is hand out criticism then you will suck the confidence out of someone. I try to balance my opinions(try being the operative word).
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Dec 9, 2020 13:01:47 GMT 1
Thank you, points noted & (generally) accepted, apology acknowledged. š¤ for Bournemouth More of an explanation of my criticism while also showing that I also rightly acknowledge when a player does well, as opposed to an apology. I try to be balanced in my opinions of players knowing that if you piss in someoneās pocket when they donāt deserve it, apart from having wet pants, they wonāt feel the need to improve. While on the flip side, if all you do is hand out criticism then you will suck the confidence out of someone. I try to balance my opinions(try being the operative word). There's a clip they play on Sky sports with that Watford goal that takes them to Wembley for the p/o final. Hogg features in that game and is in the thick of things in a couple of flowing moves. I know age is catching up with him, but it would be a nice experiment, if it were possible, for some to imagine the B&W stripes from the last couple of games and imagine that they were wearing a Watford or a Bournemouth kit etc. I think most football fans are natural detractors and want their team to be like other, dare I say it, more fashionable teams. In reality, some of the football we play, or attempt to play, isn't much different from some of those teams. The more positive approach we've got jow will still leak a few goals, but it will probably reap us more rewards. We seem to have our mojo back again...
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Post by Convictatthemac on Dec 9, 2020 13:23:24 GMT 1
More of an explanation of my criticism while also showing that I also rightly acknowledge when a player does well, as opposed to an apology. I try to be balanced in my opinions of players knowing that if you piss in someoneās pocket when they donāt deserve it, apart from having wet pants, they wonāt feel the need to improve. While on the flip side, if all you do is hand out criticism then you will suck the confidence out of someone. I try to balance my opinions(try being the operative word). There's a clip they play on Sky sports with that Watford goal that takes them to Wembley for the p/o final. Hogg features in that game and is in the thick of things in a couple of flowing moves. I know age is catching up with him, but it would be a nice experiment, if it were possible, for some to imagine the B&W stripes from the last couple of games and imagine that they were wearing a Watford or a Bournemouth kit etc. I think most football fans are natural detractors and want their team to be like other, dare I say it, more fashionable teams. In reality, some of the football we play, or attempt to play, isn't much different from some of those teams. The more positive approach we've got jow will still leak a few goals, but it will probably reap us more rewards. We seem to have our mojo back again... All Iāve wanted is for Town to go back to free flowing football and for Town to be identified as a team that plays football and doesnāt play negative football with long balls and shit housery. I think thatās what football fans want, they want to watch their team be successful and play great football at the same time. After last night, you can bet there are massive fans thinking with a tad of jealousy, wish we had Townās management, thatās natural. I can handle giving away the odd stupid goal because a pressing team has to feel like they have a chance, that then gives us a chance to play through them and put together the amazing goals that we are producing this season.
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Post by yappledapple on Dec 10, 2020 15:30:46 GMT 1
Also out for this weekendās Bournemouth game š Vallejo to come in and show us what heās got.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Dec 11, 2020 12:53:16 GMT 1
Just had a flashback to his reducer on Arter earlier in the season, what a man.š
Brilliant moment as he got away with it and left Arter whining like a child.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 11, 2020 14:13:59 GMT 1
Just had a flashback to his reducer on Arter earlier in the season, what a man.š Brilliant moment as he got away with it and left Arter whining like a child. You can tell from the pic on my name title how much I enjoyed it. Players like Hoggy are disappearing fast with how the game is being sanitised so Iām enjoying watching him whilst I can. Hope we are back in the ground the next time Arter turns up. Iāll never forget the Man Utd first game in the PL when Tommy Smith let Martial know he was in West Yorkshire - 5 minutes later right in front of me, Hoggy got him again!
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Post by Essex Terrier on Dec 11, 2020 15:51:11 GMT 1
Also out for this weekendās Bournemouth game š Vallejo to come in and show us what heās got. Dunno - he didn't come on when Hoggy went off on Tuesday, fear he may be this seasons Bockhorn. We will see?
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Post by yappledapple on Dec 11, 2020 17:38:38 GMT 1
Also out for this weekendās Bournemouth game š Vallejo to come in and show us what heās got. Dunno - he didn't come on when Hoggy went off on Tuesday, fear he may be this seasons Bockhorn. We will see? I was just making an observation based on what CC said at his press conference.
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Post by Jack on Dec 11, 2020 19:19:20 GMT 1
There's no doubt Koroma is the form man at the moment and his absence will leave a void but I think we will miss Hoggy more.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Dec 11, 2020 20:23:24 GMT 1
Dunno - he didn't come on when Hoggy went off on Tuesday, fear he may be this seasons Bockhorn. We will see? I was just making an observation based on what CC said at his press conference. Cool.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jan 21, 2021 12:57:08 GMT 1
Two of our most inept performances back to back, but no Hogg in either.
Coincidence?
I think not!!
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Post by Jimuano on Jan 21, 2021 13:06:19 GMT 1
Two of our most inept performances back to back, but no Hogg in either. Coincidence? I think not!! Agree He gives us a bit of fear factor, both in our own players (wanting to impress and not get a acid tongued bollocking from him) and the opposition (who know they're in for a tasty tackle and tough game against him). Hopefully he's back for the next game.
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Post by hypotenuse on Jan 21, 2021 18:31:04 GMT 1
Absolutely crucial to us. We rarely do well when he isnāt in the team.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 21, 2021 18:37:33 GMT 1
Weāve said this a million times, you donāt fully realise what he gives us until heās not there. Some people even criticise him for āshoutingā at his colleagues - my god we need his passion and fight at the moment.
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Post by showaddywaddywaddy on Jan 21, 2021 19:18:54 GMT 1
Proved me wrong anyway I'll hold my hands up. What a professional.
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 21, 2021 19:56:33 GMT 1
Notice he still hasn't signed his contract extension... maybe he doesn't like the direction the club is going.
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 21, 2021 21:14:59 GMT 1
Two of our most inept performances back to back, but no Hogg in either. Coincidence? I think not!! Agree He gives us a bit of fear factor, both in our own players (wanting to impress and not get a acid tongued bollocking from him) and the opposition (who know they're in for a tasty tackle and tough game against him). Hopefully he's back for the next game. CC said he'd be out for the next 2-3 games (with last night's fixture vs Millwall being one of them) - so it seems unlikely that he'll be back for the Bristol City game. Maybe for Stoke. Probably for Luton.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 21, 2021 21:29:48 GMT 1
Notice he still hasn't signed his contract extension... maybe he doesn't like the direction the club is going. I respect Hoggy more than any other Town player before him. But you honestly could not blame him for considering his future at this stage of his career.
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Post by digs on Jan 21, 2021 21:46:53 GMT 1
Notice he still hasn't signed his contract extension... maybe he doesn't like the direction the club is going. not sure about that,he seems happy enough to go sideways and backwards just like the rest of the team
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