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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 18:32:42 GMT 1
After today it’s hard to see how Carlos turns it around for me but interested to see what we all think.
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Post by ritchie on Feb 13, 2021 18:34:02 GMT 1
In. Give him the players he NEEDS.
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Post by Drew Peacock on Feb 13, 2021 18:36:20 GMT 1
Out. Players have no idea whether they're coming or going. Square pegs in round holes. A youth team manager that won't bring youth in. One dimensional.
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Feb 13, 2021 18:37:34 GMT 1
In. Give him the players he NEEDS. He’s probably not going to get them though, is he? He’s certainly not getting them this season and he’s showing he has no idea how to work with the ones he’s got. It may be a weak squad, and he should know that, so stop trying to play tippy tappy football around our own box with them and asking them to do things they clearly aren’t capable of doing. Save that until you do have the right players and build from there!
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Post by terriers321 on Feb 13, 2021 18:40:04 GMT 1
Currently, in. I think anybody would struggle with the squad we have.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Feb 13, 2021 18:40:16 GMT 1
Out. Players have no idea whether they're coming or going. Square pegs in round holes. A youth team manager that won't bring youth in. One dimensional. What are you suggesting? That he should play all the kids?
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Post by durhamterrier on Feb 13, 2021 18:41:06 GMT 1
Christ , he’s being largely forced to use second and third rate footballers .
Either back him or come clean and tell him you can’t PH
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Post by digs on Feb 13, 2021 18:41:49 GMT 1
He needs 3 years to turn us into Leeds Utd😀
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Feb 13, 2021 18:41:58 GMT 1
In. Give him the players he NEEDS. For division 1 next season
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Post by huddersfc on Feb 13, 2021 18:42:32 GMT 1
I genuinely dont know and there is no sitting on the fence option. I would want to know the answers to a couple of questions before I could answer it. Who is making the decisions on players who are being brought in, if CC has asked for us to bring in Keogh and Holmes in January, I would slide towards out. I would also want to know about the injury situation. Are all the injuries mainly down to the intense training routine, and if they are, are we still persisting with the intensity in training and risking more and more injuries. If the answer to that is YES, then its 100% out.
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Post by Drew Peacock on Feb 13, 2021 18:42:55 GMT 1
Out. Players have no idea whether they're coming or going. Square pegs in round holes. A youth team manager that won't bring youth in. One dimensional. What are you suggesting? That he should play all the kids? If your left back is banned, and your back up left back is injured, play a left back. Don't care how old they are, we've got about 8 of them at the club. Crichlow can play left back, he's played left back most of his career ffs.
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 13, 2021 18:42:57 GMT 1
It's sad. The man is clearly talented and will do an amazing job with backing but he is not going to get that here. Given that our useless chairman wants to trim the wage bill even further, the realism is that the quality of player is likely to get worse.
With that in mind we can't provide the player to match this style of play so it's out.
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Feb 13, 2021 18:43:28 GMT 1
The issue is, we don’t know what’s been promised when he arrived. It’s easy for people to say things in public, but when CC arrived was he promised backing, or told to make it work with what we had.
If it was the former, I’d be inclined to walk before I’m pushed or have a likely relegation on my CV from your first appointment.
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Post by Sio on Feb 13, 2021 18:43:44 GMT 1
It seems an easy excuse to blame the squad and injuries, but I feel it genuinely applies here. I just can't see how anyone at all could come in and do better with this current group.
Carlos has shown lots of positive signs - plenty more than the Cowleys did, who had a superior squad. I feel it'd be a mistake to let him go so soon.
The problem lies higher up.
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Post by thomo on Feb 13, 2021 18:43:51 GMT 1
I like Carlos and given a moderate amount of backing I think he could be great.
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Post by Drew Peacock on Feb 13, 2021 18:44:16 GMT 1
Christ , he’s being largely forced to use second and third rate footballers . Either back him or come clean and tell him you can’t PH Unlike Wycombe's world beating starting 11 😂
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Feb 13, 2021 18:47:28 GMT 1
In. Give him the players he NEEDS. He’s probably not going to get them though, is he? He’s certainly not getting them this season and he’s showing he has no idea how to work with the ones he’s got. It may be a weak squad, and he should know that, so stop trying to play tippy tappy football around our own box with them and asking them to do things they clearly aren’t capable of doing. Save that until you do have the right players and build from there! I think you've hit the nail on the head there. I've voted out, although I'd be happy for him to stay if he realised his failings, but continuing to play the same way when its not working won't do him any favours.
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 13, 2021 18:48:09 GMT 1
Only signed a new contract 6 weeks ago & we were all happy about that, but I have to say I'm beginning to have serious doubts.
Carlos Out? Not yet. Personally I'd sleep on it before doing anything rash but I do wonder if there needs to be a crisis meeting this week to see how he envisages turning this around. I'd give him time because I honestly think he has something, but if we're not looking A LOT better by the end of the month I'd thank him for his efforts & show him the door.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Feb 13, 2021 18:49:41 GMT 1
What are you suggesting? That he should play all the kids? If your left back is banned, and your back up left back is injured, play a left back. Don't care how old they are, we've got about 8 of them at the club. Crichlow can play left back, he's played left back most of his career ffs. Wasn’t criticising you. Now you’ve explained I see where you’re coming from. Good point.
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 13, 2021 18:53:45 GMT 1
What are you suggesting? That he should play all the kids? If your left back is banned, and your back up left back is injured, play a left back. Don't care how old they are, we've got about 8 of them at the club. Crichlow can play left back, he's played left back most of his career ffs. I have to wonder what Crichlow has done wrong because o'Brien was beyond terrible today. So many times he's been left off the pitch despite doing a good job whenever he's played & those taking his place - not to put too fine s point on it - haven't. If he hasn't already, I expect he'll be on the phone to his agent to try & get himself a move because he's far too good to be on our bench.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 18:56:57 GMT 1
not his fault, players sold, none brought in for his style
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Feb 13, 2021 18:58:37 GMT 1
not his fault, players sold, none brought in for his style Didnt the SACKED Cowleys have a similar problem
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Post by ACW on Feb 13, 2021 18:59:48 GMT 1
If we got rid, it's the age-old question - who do we replace him with?
Also, can we afford to sack him and pay him and his staff off?
Although the coach should shoulder some of the blame for our current situation, responsibility extends far further than him. If anyone thinks things will magically change with a different manager I think they are deluded. Although if this slump continues our hand might be forced.
The Cowleys did a very good job keeping us up last season, but they had better players to do it with.
I don't know where we go from here. I really don't.
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 13, 2021 19:00:18 GMT 1
I've voted In. For now.
Assuming he's still here then, I do not guarantee that will still be my answer by the end of the month.
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Post by Drew Peacock on Feb 13, 2021 19:02:13 GMT 1
The chairman is not responsible for motivating the players, managing players game time to prevent injuries, training, selecting players out of their natural position, playing tactics that are proven to not be working, or bizarre substitutions.
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Post by ACW on Feb 13, 2021 19:03:45 GMT 1
The chairman is not responsible for motivating the players, managing players game time to prevent injuries, training, selecting players out of their natural position, playing tactics that are proven to not be working, or bizarre substitutions. I assume you've voted out. Who would you replace him with?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 19:03:54 GMT 1
If we got rid, it's the age-old question - who do we replace him with? Also, can we afford to sack him and pay him and his staff off? Although the coach should shoulder some of the blame for our current situation, responsibility extends far further than him. If anyone thinks things will magically change with a different manager I think they are deluded. The Cowleys did a very good job keeping us up last season, but they had better players to do it with. I don't know where we go from here. I really don't. Better players? I'm not judging.... just interested to know who you think were better players than the current team.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Feb 13, 2021 19:04:49 GMT 1
not his fault, players sold, none brought in for his style Didnt the SACKED Cowleys have a similar problem The sacked Cowley’s told Phil he needed to get his hand in his pocket and invest in the team otherwise they were going to struggle again. Phil said fuck that and ditched them. The Cowley’s were bang on.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 13, 2021 19:05:48 GMT 1
I dont need to read the board to know a lot of finger pointing will be aimed at phil hodgkinson, but carlos can't escape his share of the blame for that shitshow.
End of the day, that whole side was full of players who were all under-performing.. like all of them. Each of those players can play a whole lot better than that. They can be better organised, better drilled, have better set piece routines and be better motivated.
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Post by ACW on Feb 13, 2021 19:06:46 GMT 1
If we got rid, it's the age-old question - who do we replace him with? Also, can we afford to sack him and pay him and his staff off? Although the coach should shoulder some of the blame for our current situation, responsibility extends far further than him. If anyone thinks things will magically change with a different manager I think they are deluded. The Cowleys did a very good job keeping us up last season, but they had better players to do it with. I don't know where we go from here. I really don't. Better players? I'm not judging.... just interested to know who you think were better players than the current team. Grant and Mounie - the two top scorers - for two. How many goals have we lost from our team and not replaced? ESR as well.
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