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Post by griffa on Feb 14, 2021 10:53:34 GMT 1
The bloke has only been here a few months. We’re having a shit spell but he’s got fuck all to work with. I’m hoping Hoyle has a serious think whether having more money than he or several generations could spend is more important than leaving a positive legacy at the club. All would be forgotten if he sent Phil back to chasing ambulances and started getting behind the club again. Hoyle can do one too, Stuart Webber found us Wagner, mooy agent approached us for him to move here was nothing to do with Hoyle, we went up on a bunch of free transfers, hefele Lowe with a couple of cheap signings, which considering what we had received for the likes of butterfield (5 million) etc 1.8 for Schindler and a loan to buy for kachunga wasn’t exactly big spending. That bloke is the source of all these problems taking us to the Prem spending money on a load of dross then demanding his money back for it, who buys a football club to expect to get your money back at the end, Derby chairman accepted 200 million of losses. Anyway that’s my final rant, good luck Carlos I hope we don’t go down but looks inevitable after yesterday. Your post in a nutshell, sums up the way I see it too yorkterrier, clueless all over the park! Plus the obsession with playing out from the back, bad selection & tactics - UTT.
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Feb 14, 2021 10:59:16 GMT 1
I’m prepared to give him another 3 or 4 games but to be honest he has a lot to prove if he is going to make it as a first team coach.
We have played some nice football going forwards this season but his complete inability to stop conceding goals is something that absolutely has to be improved. We maybe need to bring in an experienced coach to help with it as the staff at the moment clearly can’t coach how to defend.
Good coaches build a rapport with the players and a group who all play for each other. We simply don’t have that at the moment.
Hopefully we will pick up enough points soon to not have to worry going into the last part of the season and Carlos can get another chance once Mbenza, Bacuna and Pritchard have been shown the door. I do appreciate that it is difficult to motivate those players and build a collective team spirit as a result.
The last thing we need is to bring in a coach to keep us up but only be a stop gap. There is enough time left this season to give Carlos a bit longer as at least he may be able to take us forwards in the long run if he can improve defensively.
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Post by Drew Peacock on Feb 14, 2021 11:06:26 GMT 1
We're never going to be able to defend while we;
A) have full backs expected to be playing as our most attacking players B) centre backs expected to bring the ball out.
You can maybe get away with one of these, trying to do both means we often have three of our back four out of position and scrambling to get back.
I guess the tactic is to make the opposition follow runners and leave holes to exploit, but the fact is it's now so obvious that all they have to do is ignore our runners and just hold two banks of four in shape.
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Post by alex on Feb 14, 2021 11:14:05 GMT 1
Bit harsh on CC tbh.
Yesterday's result was the end product of a club that has been milked to death.
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Post by buckers on Feb 14, 2021 11:15:15 GMT 1
The way I see it the board have given him the task of building a £2m mansion and supplied him with 10 ton of building sand.
Corberan may well be out of his depth, but I’m convinced that hodgkinson and bromby are out of their depth.
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Feb 14, 2021 11:21:00 GMT 1
We're never going to be able to defend while we; A) have full backs expected to be playing as our most attacking players B) centre backs expected to bring the ball out. You can maybe get away with one of these, trying to do both means we often have three of our back four out of position and scrambling to get back. I guess the tactic is to make the opposition follow runners and leave holes to exploit, but the fact is it's now so obvious that all they have to do is ignore our runners and just hold two banks of four in shape. The goals conceded yesterday were nothing to do with A or B though. They had possession for spells before they broke us down or were from set pieces. When out of possession we should be able to get into a defensive shape and then keep teams out. We can’t even do that.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Feb 14, 2021 11:28:03 GMT 1
Wycombe were always the better side yesterday. our 2-0 lead flattered us. no surprise they won the game because they had the hunger and desire to win. We just looked like headless chickens with no idea what we were doing. It's been like that for a while now. Murderball (amongst other things) has killed this team. Look at our training related injuries. It's a joke.
The Manager is responsible for this along with his staff. Looks like league one next season with fewer than 5000 seasaon ticket holders. Good job Phil. Top Job.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 14, 2021 11:37:52 GMT 1
We're never going to be able to defend while we; A) have full backs expected to be playing as our most attacking players B) centre backs expected to bring the ball out. You can maybe get away with one of these, trying to do both means we often have three of our back four out of position and scrambling to get back. I guess the tactic is to make the opposition follow runners and leave holes to exploit, but the fact is it's now so obvious that all they have to do is ignore our runners and just hold two banks of four in shape. The goals conceded yesterday were nothing to do with A or B though. They had possession for spells before they broke us down or were from set pieces. When out of possession we should be able to get into a defensive shape and then keep teams out. We can’t even do that. Too deep, too quickly and we stayed there too long. 2 0 up and the urge to take the foot off and drop away was too strong and wrong. Big centre forward winning headers and free kicks needs moving up the pitch. Tackles and fouls need to be moved up the pitch. At 2 0 we should be making the rules of how the game is then played. The desire to see it out to half time rather than play the game was a disaster, it usually is for Town. Town fall into the trap of playing the score and the time rather than just playing the game on a regular basis. When I played every coach we ever had was insistent that the game was always 0 0... If your on top and 3 nil up it makes no difference, if you are losing you are still in the game.. Good team ethic means even if you are getting well beaten you try to score the last goal?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 11:48:39 GMT 1
Wycombe were always the better side yesterday. our 2-0 lead flattered us. no surprise they won the game because they had the hunger and desire to win. We just looked like headless chickens with no idea what we were doing. It's been like that for a while now. Murderball (amongst other things) has killed this team. Look at our training related injuries. It's a joke. The Manager is responsible for this along with his staff. Looks like league one next season with fewer than 5000 seasaon ticket holders. Good job Phil. Top Job. Absolutely this, people are overlooking the fact we were lucky to be 2up, after 1-0 Wycombe totally dominated.
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Post by KiwiPom on Feb 14, 2021 12:06:27 GMT 1
Get rid of him and all the overseas players/coaches. Can you imagine that lot that played yesterday going out for a few beers together and bonding? I can't. We should not be a copy of Crystal Palace or a mixture of players/mangers/coaching staff that hardly speak any English. We are a Northern working class team and If we want to emulate anyone it's Burnley.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Feb 14, 2021 12:13:31 GMT 1
The big problems at this club were clear to see long before Carlos arrived on the scene.
Sadly the main problem at present is simply that MOST of these town players dont have the skill or intelligence to play the Carlos way and things could have been so different had money not been sucked out of the club at a time where it was vital for rebuilding
What is vital is the better players return from injury soon as possible and then we might be in with a chance of staying up.
The manager is only as good as his results and fear for Carlos the same as the Cowleys found to their cost
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Post by dynastydan on Feb 14, 2021 12:18:52 GMT 1
I do like CC but that second half was a team not playing for the manager.
If PH isnt going to back him, we need to get rid of him now, no point wasting more weeks. CC has a system he believes in, and is successful with the correct players. Unfortunately we cant get these players, so what is the point?
Best thing all round would be a mutual agreement that CC leaves.
I really dont think the players are playing for him anymore.
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Post by artysid on Feb 14, 2021 12:19:43 GMT 1
Get rid of him and all the overseas players/coaches. Can you imagine that lot that played yesterday going out for a few beers together and bonding? I can't. We should not be a copy of Crystal Palace or a mixture of players/mangers/coaching staff that hardly speak any English. We are a Northern working class team and If we want to emulate anyone it's Burnley. Is that a New Zealand phrase? I don't think we have a comparable phrase in the UK. What does it mean?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 14:31:36 GMT 1
Reality is he isn’t going anywhere Phil gave him his 100% backing Friday to sack him within a week of that, even after we lose to Boro or Swansea would make him look even more ridiculous than normal. Are we all happy with Carlos to get us back out of league 1?
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Post by Mecha Corte on Feb 14, 2021 15:04:06 GMT 1
Reality is he isn’t going anywhere Phil gave him his 100% backing Friday to sack him within a week of that, even after we lose to Boro or Swansea would make him look even more ridiculous than normal. Are we all happy with Carlos to get us back out of league 1? How many previous examples of the kiss of death from a chairman to manager do you want, a 100 ?. Not saying he will or he should but backing him Friday doesn’t not mean he doesn’t sack him Monday.
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 14, 2021 15:19:41 GMT 1
I do like CC but that second half was a team not playing for the manager. If PH isnt going to back him, we need to get rid of him now, no point wasting more weeks. CC has a system he believes in, and is successful with the correct players. Unfortunately we cant get these players, so what is the point? Best thing all round would be a mutual agreement that CC leaves. I really dont think the players are playing for him anymore. I'd agree with part of that. That was the kind of performance that looked like* the sort you get when a group of players are trying to get the head coach sacked. Some of those players will be gone at the end of the season as their contracts run out. One way or another there's going to be huge turnover of playing staff this summer. If Carlos & Co can bring in their own people then things might look very different. You can point to Sunderland struggling to get promoted from Lg1, but Hull aren't doing too badly, and Blackburn, Rotherham & Barnsley have managed to bounce back quickly. I'd want to give him a bit longer yet. 6-7 weeks ago things looked a lot rosier & we were all happy with him signing a new contract. * "Looked like" doesn't necessarily mean that's what it was.
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Post by dynastydan on Feb 14, 2021 15:30:38 GMT 1
I do like CC but that second half was a team not playing for the manager. If PH isnt going to back him, we need to get rid of him now, no point wasting more weeks. CC has a system he believes in, and is successful with the correct players. Unfortunately we cant get these players, so what is the point? Best thing all round would be a mutual agreement that CC leaves. I really dont think the players are playing for him anymore. I'd agree with part of that. That was the kind of performance that looked like* the sort you get when a group of players are trying to get the head coach sacked. Some of those players will be gone at the end of the season as their contracts run out. One way or another there's going to be huge turnover of playing staff this summer. If Carlos & Co can bring in their own people then things might look very different. You can point to Sunderland struggling to get promoted from Lg1, but Hull aren't doing too badly, and Blackburn, Rotherham & Barnsley have managed to bounce back quickly. I'd want to give him a bit longer yet. 6-7 weeks ago things looked a lot rosier & we were all happy with him signing a new contract. * "Looked like" doesn't necessarily mean that's what it was.I prefer your wording! Agree with all that you have said 👍
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Post by bleaklow on Feb 14, 2021 20:03:21 GMT 1
I voted to keep Carlos, but before the game, when I heard that O'Brien was playing left back, I was very stunned - and when the game got going, I noticed that Hogg wasn't in his usual place. Personally, I think those two positional changes affected the performance of the team. But that doesn't excuse the players for not putting in the necessary shift - most of them looked like frightened rabbits in the second half, and that's down to character, determination and courage i.e they were gutless (unlike the Wycombe team). I can't imagine that my Father (who was a supporter in the 1920s to 1987 and who fought in the 2nd World War in North Africa) would want any of these weak-kneed charlatans beside him in the trenches!
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Post by yorkie69 on Feb 14, 2021 21:01:58 GMT 1
I have just watched the Gareth Ainsworth interview after the match yesterday and this points to the issues CC is having. Ainsworth told his players to be brave and close down Town further up the pitch and we’d give the ball back to them. This is the problem, every team we play know this is the only way we play and they can easily plan to play us as we never ever change our tactics. Earlier in the season teams hadn’t worked out how we’d play so it worked for a while but now we are so predictable that teams are confident they can wait for mistakes, usually around our own area, and can punish us. CC seems unable to change this way of playing despite clearly having players that cannot play this way. I fear this inability to change will be his and our downfall.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 15, 2021 0:34:02 GMT 1
Bit harsh on CC tbh. Yesterday's result was the end product of a club that has been milked to death. Compared to Wycombe? I doubt, other than our goalkeeper, we had a player in our starting X1 who doesnt earn more than the best paid Wycombe player and most will earn considerably more. Some of our starting X1 will even earn 3 or 4 times what the best paid Wycombe player gets. Mbenza will have cost more than their entire squad added together. Maybe double it? So will Pritchard. Bet Bacuna wasnt far off. Yesterdays result was nowt to do with lack of investment. If it was down to money spent, we'd have won that game very comfortably. Its down to players with a shit attitude, and players doing inexplicably stupid things. And a manager who of late doesnt seem to be able to either motivate them, or organise them. Who decides to weaken areas of the team to play people out of position for no bloody reason. To be honest when you hear Carlos's post match ramblings, its hardly a surprise if the players dont know what he wants if theyre anything to go by. I appreciate theres a language barrier, but christ, what a load of meaningless babble he comes out with. '“I think we did really well in the first 40 minutes of the game because we controlled the options of them and at the same time, we created some options to unbalance the game. After we scored the second, we had the option to score the third, but I could see we started to have some doubts in letting them close to our goal."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 17:06:48 GMT 1
I'll give you ESR. Grant had switched off and Mounie post Crystal Palace away wasn't a patch on what Campbell has done since he signed for Town. Mooksville, you're a really good poster... ...but you really can't mean that? Aye... that was a ridiculous thing for me to say... lol. 'I liked Mounie on the whole, but he's no better than Campbell' is what I should've said. I appreciate the compliment - the feeling's mutual, mate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 22:48:14 GMT 1
Firmly Carlos out now periods of the game that mattered we were miles second best, nice experiment it’s failed.
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Post by townrwe on Feb 16, 2021 22:51:50 GMT 1
Carlos in, Phil and Bromby out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 22:56:43 GMT 1
Agree with both of you
But I want that chairman out of our club so bad now.
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Post by townohiofan on Feb 16, 2021 22:59:52 GMT 1
What kind of replacement could we get? I’ve had issues with sacking the Cowley’s but this job just continues to get less attractive. I hope CC can turn this around because otherwise it will take a few years for this job not to be seen as a dead end.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Feb 16, 2021 23:01:23 GMT 1
Carlos has been royally fucked - that squad tonight was nowhere near the levels required for the championship.
I feel for the bloke but he knew the score regarding transfers, writing was on the wall
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Post by dynastydan on Feb 16, 2021 23:02:57 GMT 1
Carlos in, Phil and Bromby out. Only if he will be backed, if not, pointless
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Post by tvor on Feb 16, 2021 23:03:07 GMT 1
Another shit season and my guess is we can’t afford another change at the helm, even if PH wanted one. This is a shit storm butTown have now lost 7 matches from winning positions. IF they had held out in those games, we’d be in the Top 4. Add into this the injuries tonight, some of which occurred in training. It’s not enough to pin this all on PH.
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Post by philstarbuckscoffee on Feb 16, 2021 23:03:14 GMT 1
In. If we are as skint as we appear to be then sacking him and the back room staff after just giving them long term contracts would make our problems worse. I can’t see us turning things around but that is down to the squad and I can’t see anyone coming in and getting a tune out of this lot. I do think the Cowleys could have played a more expansive game this year given a pre season some signings and starting the season without a massive gap to close. I think Carlosball will resemble Cowleyball of last year when we are scrapping to stay up at the end of the season
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Post by htfc63 on Feb 16, 2021 23:11:33 GMT 1
You are right in terms of the squad however one of our major issues is the similar injuries which must be down to training methods. An experienced manager plays to the strengths of his players whereas Carlos is trying to get players to play a style they are not capable of. It looks like relegation is very likely so a huge clear out in summer is a must to start building a squad of players who show passion and grit to see games out. At the moment we need to bring in someone to prop up Carlos and get him to see there are other ways to play and win games.
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