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Post by Detective Boyle on Feb 16, 2021 23:12:06 GMT 1
Carlos in, unless he starts Campbell over Philips on Saturday. In that case I’m out
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Post by shawsie on Feb 16, 2021 23:12:43 GMT 1
I dont see anything but relegation. Weve used more players than any other club i believe and we simply still ship goals for fun. With experienced and proven capable at this level lads like schindler, sarr, stearman, keogh that shouldnt be happening and the book stops with the manager. Add to that a lack of a decent striker and it points to nothing but problems. We struggle with plan a and there is absolutely no plan b and whilst the backing has been questionable to say the least hes on borrowed time for me. The bigger issue would be finding someone to take it on......this squad is quite frankly not very good and the recruitment to improve it even worse. Its no coincidence that aged free transfers, overpaid prem wasters and young kids who arent either good enough or ready dont make for a successful squad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 23:15:22 GMT 1
played obrien at lb again
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Post by rsouls on Feb 16, 2021 23:15:46 GMT 1
Carlos out, cant coach a team to do a basic thing like tackle, players getting paid thousands and cant tackle, sorry its shite
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Post by rsouls on Feb 16, 2021 23:16:46 GMT 1
played obrien at lb again yes out of position but surely a block and a tackle is the least to expect
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Post by specialun on Feb 16, 2021 23:19:45 GMT 1
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“...With a change in style, there will be an increased focus on recruiting the right players to fit the system.
Devlin explained that the Club will work hard to make sure Carlos has everything in place to support him in his role.
“It wouldn’t be right of us to appoint him for all his attributes and then make it difficult to achieve what we are all looking for which is fast-paced, high pressed, attacking football, which will excite the fans.”
What happened Devlin?
But Carlos looks lost - May have been right man if he’d been backed
He wasn’t
But he won’t play / develop youth, the football is dour not attacking or intense, our defensive organisation non existent, tactically an over complicated mess
First and foremost you have to be solid, we ship goals for fun - we have Stearman coming back and if Carlos survives he will have to get him in the team.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 23:37:56 GMT 1
Mark Devlin
Htafc.com July 2020
“...With a change in style, there will be an increased focus on recruiting the right players to fit the system.
Devlin explained that the Club will work hard to make sure Carlos has everything in place to support him in his role.
“It wouldn’t be right of us to appoint him for all his attributes and then make it difficult to achieve what we are all looking for which is fast-paced, high pressed, attacking football, which will excite the fans.”
Roughly translated Carlos will get fuck all and will be given players who we want to bring in. He will get no say in transfers and do has he is told. Me Phil Dean and leigh will all go enjoy a week away in barbados on the parachute payments.
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Post by galphamer74 on Feb 16, 2021 23:43:12 GMT 1
Mark Devlin Htafc.com July 2020 “...With a change in style, there will be an increased focus on recruiting the right players to fit the system. Devlin explained that the Club will work hard to make sure Carlos has everything in place to support him in his role. “It wouldn’t be right of us to appoint him for all his attributes and then make it difficult to achieve what we are all looking for which is fast-paced, high pressed, attacking football, which will excite the fans Roughly translated Carlos will get fuck all and will be given players who we want to bring in. He will get no say in transfers and do has he is told. Me Phil Dean and leigh will all go enjoy a week away in barbados on the parachute payments. It’s disgraceful how they’ve failed to support him. Phil is fucking useless as we all know, but what are we even paying Devlin for. He’s an absolute nonentity
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Post by aca00js on Feb 16, 2021 23:45:40 GMT 1
I feel so sorry for him, he was the right man at the wrong time. The board have seriously let him down by appointing him in the shortest pre-season with so little funding.
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Post by H7 on Feb 16, 2021 23:47:29 GMT 1
I feel so sorry for him, he was the right man at the wrong time. The board have seriously let him down by appointing him in the shortest pre-season with so little funding. Nail on head.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 23:51:01 GMT 1
Bristol city manager Dean holden been fired. Bet they go in for herr wagner
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Feb 17, 2021 0:03:48 GMT 1
To be honest i dont think any manager could do anything with this present bunch of losers and starting to wonder how it came to this.
I feel the only chance of survival is if the club can get the injured better players back before its to late and also other results from teams around us need to go our way.
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Feb 17, 2021 0:09:11 GMT 1
Out for me
Losing 7 after being 1- 0 pretty much confirms to me he ain’t got the minerals.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Feb 17, 2021 0:10:42 GMT 1
It's now 9 first team players currently either injured/suspended, 7 of them would more than likely be in the starting XI any given week.
Rumours about our ridiculous training methods beginning to look very credible now.
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Post by greyarea on Feb 17, 2021 1:03:28 GMT 1
Corberan has been exposed. All the points about lack of support, lack of investment, etc are all valid.
Significant blame has to lay with Corberan and his coaching & tactics.
This team consistently concedes soft goals due to a lack of defensive structure. This comes from his whole pitch man-marking scheme. This team consistently struggles to score more that 1 goal in a game. This team consistently loses games from winning positions.
All of this comes down to game planning, tactics and training. Examples are Wycombe, Rotherham, Coventry, Luton, Barnsley. All these teams aren't significantly stronger or better than Huddersfield's squad, but none of them are looking so open to attack & lost in defense. Wycombe will probably go down but the clearly have a plan with players understanding it and doing their best to carry the plan out.
I was always wary of the sacking of the the Cowley Brothers. Now some might not have liked them & clearly relationships broke down at the club. However there was no doubt that they could coach a clear game plan for each game and could make in game adjustments.
I do not see any of this from Carlos. What I see is very reminiscent of development coaching where the development teams keep doing the same thing because that was the player skill development and tactical understanding. However it is not results driven. Alas first team football in a league fundamentally comes down to winning & points.
Carlos is an idealist, the problem is always when idealism hit reality. In truth that is why I have always preferred pragmatism (which the Cowley's were) and that doesn't have to mean boring or one dimensional football. Pragmatism can exist within a larger philosophical ideal.
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Post by Drew Peacock on Feb 17, 2021 1:12:55 GMT 1
I've hammered him recently for it but in his defence tonight when losing he did actually try to change the game and also didn't leave his subs until the last 5 minutes.
Still not having him as the genius that some seem to think he is though. We score and we're so deep our back line are practically sat in the stand behind the keeper. This happens so regularly that it simply has to be at the instruction of the coach.
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Post by crux on Feb 17, 2021 1:41:39 GMT 1
Needs to let someone else sort out the defense, might as well use Elphick as a defensive coach as he ain't going to play for us again this season. Stop conceding goals and we can stay up, don't and it looks like we're doomed.
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Post by willo on Feb 17, 2021 1:55:14 GMT 1
I've hammered him recently for it but in his defence tonight when losing he did actually try to change the game and also didn't leave his subs until the last 5 minutes. Still not having him as the genius that some seem to think he is though. We score and we're so deep our back line are practically sat in the stand behind the keeper. This happens so regularly that it simply has to be at the instruction of the coach. No sane supporter would have CC down as a genius, he’s a young manager finding his way but dealt a shocking hand by the board. As you say, last 30 mins tonight showed he can change it and on another night, who knows? I definitely wouldn’t put him in the same league as Siewart and our form before Christmas backs this up. The problem is should we pull the trigger on his time and bring in someone new, I’m not even sure a Pearson type could get some of our players firing. It’s still not too late to get this fabled striker in either but I’m laying the vast majority of the mess we’re in squarely at the door of the board and everyone associated.
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Post by galphamer74 on Feb 17, 2021 7:39:03 GMT 1
Corberan has been exposed. All the points about lack of support, lack of investment, etc are all valid. Significant blame has to lay with Corberan and his coaching & tactics. This team consistently concedes soft goals due to a lack of defensive structure. This comes from his whole pitch man-marking scheme. This team consistently struggles to score more that 1 goal in a game. This team consistently loses games from winning positions. All of this comes down to game planning, tactics and training. Examples are Wycombe, Rotherham, Coventry, Luton, Barnsley. All these teams aren't significantly stronger or better than Huddersfield's squad, but none of them are looking so open to attack & lost in defense. Wycombe will probably go down but the clearly have a plan with players understanding it and doing their best to carry the plan out. I was always wary of the sacking of the the Cowley Brothers. Now some might not have liked them & clearly relationships broke down at the club. However there was no doubt that they could coach a clear game plan for each game and could make in game adjustments. I do not see any of this from Carlos. What I see is very reminiscent of development coaching where the development teams keep doing the same thing because that was the player skill development and tactical understanding. However it is not results driven. Alas first team football in a league fundamentally comes down to winning & points. Carlos is an idealist, the problem is always when idealism hit reality. In truth that is why I have always preferred pragmatism (which the Cowley's were) and that doesn't have to mean boring or one dimensional football. Pragmatism can exist within a larger philosophical ideal. It just demonstrates Phil’s lack of strategic intelligence. He knew what the budget was going to be. This style needs players with speed and technique. That costs money. We aren’t good enough to play out from the back without being exposed giving the ball away in dangerous areas; teams know this. It’s just a matter of them waiting for the inevitable errors to occur. Phil made a big thing of promising to backing Carlos and he has failed miserably to do that. Worst still all we ever hear from the man is excuses.
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Post by captainblack on Feb 17, 2021 9:06:49 GMT 1
I do not want to see CC sacked, but if the poor form continues the inevitable will happen before too long , he will obviously be used as the perfect scapegoat, but I feel Town's whole approach to recruitment has been flawed for some time , Its pointless pointing the finger at all and sundry, it really does not help.
I sincerely hope CC can reorganize our leaky defence and just get a couple of results , just to steady the ship, so to speak. My fear is we will be battered before too long , with a 5/6 goal hammering, and unfortunately that could be the excuse for the club to let CC go. Sadly everything has soured at the club and all our failings have been cruelly highlighted recently, I have to be honest (It does not make me happy) but I cannot see CC being able to halt the slide at the moment , I really hope I am wrong! UTT
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Post by griffa on Feb 17, 2021 9:42:50 GMT 1
I do not want to see CC sacked, but if the poor form continues the inevitable will happen before too long , he will obviously be used as the perfect scapegoat, but I feel Town's whole approach to recruitment has been flawed for some time , Its pointless pointing the finger at all and sundry, it really does not help. I sincerely hope CC can reorganize our leaky defence and just get a couple of results , just to steady the ship, so to speak. My fear is we will be battered before too long , with a 5/6 goal hammering, and unfortunately that could be the excuse for the club to let CC go. Sadly everything has soured at the club and all our failings have been cruelly highlighted recently, I have to be honest (It does not make me happy) but I cannot see CC being able to halt the slide at the moment , I really hope I am wrong! UTT captainblack, you are the 'Voice of the Mysterons,' therefore I unable to believe anything you spout. We need 50 points, can this be delivered by 'Supermarionation,' not 6 points from 2 wins. Lot's to do, Carlos is not the man, to deliver the additional points, required to avoid relegation - UTT.
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Feb 17, 2021 10:20:49 GMT 1
I find it quite irritating that there is even a poll on this. I can imagine many of the votes to remove CC have not watched many games this season and just basing on results.
Anyone can see that Carlos is an incredibly talented coach/manager - I have no doubt he will have a successful career.
I don’t put any blame on CC - what he has done with a very thin squad with lots of injuries is to create an attractive playing style, which will eventually pay dividends for us.
Be a huge mistake IMO to make a change now. Yes it is concerning regarding recent results - a combination of injuries and mistakes are killing us at the moment.
When I was watching the game last night - I still really enjoyed watching us play and we were really good and unlucky in the last 20mins. How many times in recent seasons under different managers, if we were 2-1 down with 20 to go, we would barely create a chance.
I fully believe we won’t go down and I don’t think we will even be in a relegation scrap come the last few weeks of the season. We are playing a good brand of football and law of averages is our luck will change.
Last night was prime example of injuries and mistakes costing us.
When we stay up this season, we need to clear out the deadwood and then invest in 5 senior pros (not old guys but guys in mid to late 20s who are leaders). With the signings made and talented young players, I feel confident in our full-backs, centre mids and wide forwards. IMO we need 5 x senior pros - 2 x CBs, 2 x CFs and 1 x GK.
At CB, next season two senior pros to add to Sarr, REG and RCN.
At CF, Campbell as a squad player, Phillips (who did well last night) plus two senior pros.
I’d like to see a good quality GK to compete with Schofield as he is still very young for a GK. No-one flamboyant - just a steady pair of hands who is a top professional.
I have really enjoyed watching us this season (don’t get me wrong, I hate losing!) but we have a clear direction and I think we need to stick with CC and believe in what he is doing. Finances are tough in the current situation with Covid, but if we clear out the deadwood then hopefully Phil will back CC to bring in the players we need for the spine of the team.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 10:25:58 GMT 1
Corberan has been exposed. All the points about lack of support, lack of investment, etc are all valid. Significant blame has to lay with Corberan and his coaching & tactics. This team consistently concedes soft goals due to a lack of defensive structure. This comes from his whole pitch man-marking scheme. This team consistently struggles to score more that 1 goal in a game. This team consistently loses games from winning positions. All of this comes down to game planning, tactics and training. Examples are Wycombe, Rotherham, Coventry, Luton, Barnsley. All these teams aren't significantly stronger or better than Huddersfield's squad, but none of them are looking so open to attack & lost in defense. Wycombe will probably go down but the clearly have a plan with players understanding it and doing their best to carry the plan out. I was always wary of the sacking of the the Cowley Brothers. Now some might not have liked them & clearly relationships broke down at the club. However there was no doubt that they could coach a clear game plan for each game and could make in game adjustments. I do not see any of this from Carlos. What I see is very reminiscent of development coaching where the development teams keep doing the same thing because that was the player skill development and tactical understanding. However it is not results driven. Alas first team football in a league fundamentally comes down to winning & points. Carlos is an idealist, the problem is always when idealism hit reality. In truth that is why I have always preferred pragmatism (which the Cowley's were) and that doesn't have to mean boring or one dimensional football. Pragmatism can exist within a larger philosophical ideal. You must have watched different games to me then. There was no clear game plan at all, most of the games looked like the players had just met up on the morning of the game. There never a game plan under Cowley.
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Post by LTown on Feb 17, 2021 10:26:44 GMT 1
Definitely IN from me. He is getting consistently good performances out of the team, and bringing young players on. He has been brave where the Cowley's were always boring and overly cautious.
Granted, there have been one or two debacles like Wycombe, but we have enjoyed no luck against the likes of Bristol City and Middlesbrough. Fine margins. I'm confident Carlos will turn it around.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Feb 17, 2021 10:47:54 GMT 1
Dean Holden sacked at Brizzie for losing 6 games on the bounce.
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Post by captainblack on Feb 17, 2021 11:16:57 GMT 1
I do not want to see CC sacked, but if the poor form continues the inevitable will happen before too long , he will obviously be used as the perfect scapegoat, but I feel Town's whole approach to recruitment has been flawed for some time , Its pointless pointing the finger at all and sundry, it really does not help. I sincerely hope CC can reorganize our leaky defence and just get a couple of results , just to steady the ship, so to speak. My fear is we will be battered before too long , with a 5/6 goal hammering, and unfortunately that could be the excuse for the club to let CC go. Sadly everything has soured at the club and all our failings have been cruelly highlighted recently, I have to be honest (It does not make me happy) but I cannot see CC being able to halt the slide at the moment , I really hope I am wrong! UTT captainblack, you are the 'Voice of the Mysterons,' therefore I unable to believe anything you spout. We need 50 points, can this be delivered by 'Supermarionation,' not 6 points from 2 wins. Lot's to do, Carlos is not the man, to deliver the additional points, required to avoid relegation - UTT. Apologies, what I meant was a couple of decent results to kick start a recovery, I should have been clearer! It certainly seems that CC unlike CS, is not indestructible though!
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Post by captainblack on Feb 17, 2021 11:21:01 GMT 1
Definitely IN from me. He is getting consistently good performances out of the team, and bringing young players on. He has been brave where the Cowley's were always boring and overly cautious. Granted, there have been one or two debacles like Wycombe, but we have enjoyed no luck against the likes of Bristol City and Middlesbrough. Fine margins. I'm confident Carlos will turn it around. DON'T PANIC! I admire your optimism LTown and only hope you are correct. UTT.
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Post by joburgjon on Feb 17, 2021 12:19:32 GMT 1
I find it quite irritating that there is even a poll on this. I can imagine many of the votes to remove CC have not watched many games this season and just basing on results. Anyone can see that Carlos is an incredibly talented coach/manager - I have no doubt he will have a successful career. I don’t put any blame on CC - what he has done with a very thin squad with lots of injuries is to create an attractive playing style, which will eventually pay dividends for us. Be a huge mistake IMO to make a change now. Yes it is concerning regarding recent results - a combination of injuries and mistakes are killing us at the moment. When I was watching the game last night - I still really enjoyed watching us play and we were really good and unlucky in the last 20mins. How many times in recent seasons under different managers, if we were 2-1 down with 20 to go, we would barely create a chance. I fully believe we won’t go down and I don’t think we will even be in a relegation scrap come the last few weeks of the season. We are playing a good brand of football and law of averages is our luck will change. Last night was prime example of injuries and mistakes costing us. When we stay up this season, we need to clear out the deadwood and then invest in 5 senior pros (not old guys but guys in mid to late 20s who are leaders). With the signings made and talented young players, I feel confident in our full-backs, centre mids and wide forwards. IMO we need 5 x senior pros - 2 x CBs, 2 x CFs and 1 x GK. At CB, next season two senior pros to add to Sarr, REG and RCN. At CF, Campbell as a squad player, Phillips (who did well last night) plus two senior pros. I’d like to see a good quality GK to compete with Schofield as he is still very young for a GK. No-one flamboyant - just a steady pair of hands who is a top professional. I have really enjoyed watching us this season (don’t get me wrong, I hate losing!) but we have a clear direction and I think we need to stick with CC and believe in what he is doing. Finances are tough in the current situation with Covid, but if we clear out the deadwood then hopefully Phil will back CC to bring in the players we need for the spine of the team. UTT I'm not sure that CC is an incredibly talented coach/manager. He seams to be very one dimensional in his coaching. The style of play and tactics he is trying to implement with the group of players he has is not working and he seems unable or unwilling to change either. An incredibly talented coach/manger would have changed the style of play and the tactics by now to try and reverse the slump in form. An incredibly talented coach would be coaching his players on the training pitch to manage games once they've taken the lead, not lose 7 games out of the 30 played where they have taken the lead. There seems to be one style of play and one tactic. When it's not working he seems unable to tweak or change it either during a match or on the training ground ahead of the next match. An incredibly talented coach would be able to make these tweaks and changes. His substitutions have at times been strange and seemed reactionary rather than pro-active. I don't think he yet ready to be a Head Coach. He's still a young up and coming coach who would make an excellent Assistant coach to an experience Head Coach, as he was at Leads. Or if he's gonna be a Head Coach he needs to have an experienced coach as his assistant. Someone who's done the Head Coach role successfully, but now wants to take a back seat to a young up and coming coach. I think he may very well ultimately become a talented Head Coach. However, at the moment he's not. Town could benefit massively by bringing in some experience to work alongside him for the rest of this season and 1 or 2 seasons after. Carlos is a talented youngster with lots of potential, but he's not yet ready for the first team......
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Post by griffa on Feb 17, 2021 12:31:13 GMT 1
captainblack, you are the 'Voice of the Mysterons,' therefore I unable to believe anything you spout. We need 50 points, can this be delivered by 'Supermarionation,' not 6 points from 2 wins. Lot's to do, Carlos is not the man, to deliver the additional points, required to avoid relegation - UTT. Apologies, what I meant was a couple of decent results to kick start a recovery, I should have been clearer! It certainly seems that CC unlike CS, is not indestructible though! Brilliant, perhaps we may need assistance from Sylvia & Gerry Anderson! For obvious reasons isn't going to happen, who unlike your nemesis, weren't indestructible - UTT.
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 17, 2021 12:37:34 GMT 1
Relegation is pretty much nailed on regardless of who is manager/head coach between now & the end of the season. Also, even if we stay up, there's inevitably going to be a huge turnover of playing staff this summer with so many out of contract this coming June.
I suppose the question is whether you trust Corberan & Co to lead us in Lg1 with his own squad, or whether somebody else should get the gig. Once the season is over (or at least once we know for absolute certain what division we're in next season) serious questions need to be asked, and a decision made as to who is our manager/head coach for the 21/22 season.
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