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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Feb 21, 2021 11:08:32 GMT 1
I am beyond buzzing for yesterday’s win - for the manager, coaching staff, players and the fan’s.
I’m not going to say I expected us to hammer Swansea, but I was not surprised we won. Many fans are a fickle bunch at all clubs - we know that - but if watching lots of the full matches this season, it is clear our performance levels, attractiveness and quality has increased so much.
30 years since I went to my first Town match - a defeat at Gigg Lane - and the general performance levels this season have been some of the best. I hate when we get beat but have enjoyed watching us. There is a difference between just being shit and playing well but mistakes costing us. In 30 years I have watched enough shocking Town performances to appreciate the difference!
I am not going to talk about the chairman, ex-chairman, board etc as that is another conversation but the manager, coaches and players deserve real credit. In a year where we had to let several of our better players leave and all the issues of Covid, then I think they have done a really good job.
In any industry, there is a difference between quick wins anf cultural change - Sam Allardyce or Tony Pulis might give you a quick win, but I want a town team that is progressive and has substance, and plays attractive football.
In the short amount of time CC has been in, the culture and style has changed and improved, but it takes time and with any change there will be ups and downs along the way.
We can be too quick to write people off - two or three matches in to a new system, having not played much football recently pre-joining us, many fans are writing off Holmes for example. FFS, give him a chance!! For the first time since Wagner, we are seeing players properly coached - Koroma and Mbenza on the scrap heap from many, have now been very effective - that’s coaching! The last couple of games, Rowe has looked great and can see similarities with Koroma - again due to good coaching.
I was really impressed with Phillips cameo in midweek and hopefully we have a talent on our hands, but madness that based on 20mins or so, the amount of fans going mad at CC for not starting him yesterday. CC sees him everyday - I trust he will know when/if ready.
I am not a so called happy clapper but I have patience IF I see the right thing being done and I see that on the playing side at town. I don’t think our squad is strong enough yet for a top 6 push next season but I believe big time that the culture, playing style and individual quality is improving. If we can keep hold of the core group, keep developing the young lads and bring in a few new faces in the summer, ideally of the quality of Pipa and Vallejo, then who knows.
This is hopefully a 3-5 year plan - it’s easy to make rash conclusions based purely on results or the highlights of goals etc - the 90min match performances tell a different story.
We may well get beat in our next match, and there will be more ups and downs yet but is it progress from the end of the Cowley’s era to where we are now - for me, absolutely.
Easy to forget how many injuries we have had too - 5 or 6 big players missing yesterday against a team that went 2nd if they won.
I remain confident we won’t get involved in a relegation battle as consistent good performance levels will pay dividends over a whole season.
Keep the faith...it’s been a lot worse!!
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Post by midge on Feb 21, 2021 11:17:44 GMT 1
I am beyond buzzing for yesterday’s win - for the manager, coaching staff, players and the fan’s. I’m not going to say I expected us to hammer Swansea, but I was not surprised we won. Many fans are a fickle bunch at all clubs - we know that - but if watching lots of the full matches this season, it is clear our performance levels, attractiveness and quality has increased so much. 30 years since I went to my first Town match - a defeat at Gigg Lane - and the general performance levels this season have been some of the best. I hate when we get beat but have enjoyed watching us. There is a difference between just being shit and playing well but mistakes costing us. In 30 years I have watched enough shocking Town performances to appreciate the difference! I am not going to talk about the chairman, ex-chairman, board etc as that is another conversation but the manager, coaches and players deserve real credit. In a year where we had to let several of our better players leave and all the issues of Covid, then I think they have done a really good job. In any industry, there is a difference between quick wins anf cultural change - Sam Allardyce or Tony Pulis might give you a quick win, but I want a town team that is progressive and has substance, and plays attractive football. In the short amount of time CC has been in, the culture and style has changed and improved, but it takes time and with any change there will be ups and downs along the way. We can be too quick to write people off - two or three matches in to a new system, having not played much football recently pre-joining us, many fans are writing off Holmes for example. FFS, give him a chance!! For the first time since Wagner, we are seeing players properly coached - Koroma and Mbenza on the scrap heap from many, have now been very effective - that’s coaching! The last couple of games, Rowe has looked great and can see similarities with Koroma - again due to good coaching. I was really impressed with Phillips cameo in midweek and hopefully we have a talent on our hands, but madness that based on 20mins or so, the amount of fans going mad at CC for not starting him yesterday. CC sees him everyday - I trust he will know when/if ready. I am not a so called happy clapper but I have patience IF I see the right thing being done and I see that on the playing side at town. I don’t think our squad is strong enough yet for a top 6 push next season but I believe big time that the culture, playing style and individual quality is improving. If we can keep hold of the core group, keep developing the young lads and bring in a few new faces in the summer, ideally of the quality of Pipa and Vallejo, then who knows. This is hopefully a 3-5 year plan - it’s easy to make rash conclusions based purely on results or the highlights of goals etc - the 90min match performances tell a different story. We may well get beat in our next match, and there will be more ups and downs yet but is it progress from the end of the Cowley’s era to where we are now - for me, absolutely. Easy to forget how many injuries we have had too - 5 or 6 big players missing yesterday against a team that went 2nd if they won. I remain confident we won’t get involved in a relegation battle as consistent good performance levels will pay dividends over a whole season. Keep the faith...it’s been a lot worse!! UTT What a great post! Couldn’t agree more👍
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 11:22:14 GMT 1
I am beyond buzzing for yesterday’s win - for the manager, coaching staff, players and the fan’s. I’m not going to say I expected us to hammer Swansea, but I was not surprised we won. Many fans are a fickle bunch at all clubs - we know that - but if watching lots of the full matches this season, it is clear our performance levels, attractiveness and quality has increased so much. 30 years since I went to my first Town match - a defeat at Gigg Lane - and the general performance levels this season have been some of the best. I hate when we get beat but have enjoyed watching us. There is a difference between just being shit and playing well but mistakes costing us. In 30 years I have watched enough shocking Town performances to appreciate the difference! I am not going to talk about the chairman, ex-chairman, board etc as that is another conversation but the manager, coaches and players deserve real credit. In a year where we had to let several of our better players leave and all the issues of Covid, then I think they have done a really good job. In any industry, there is a difference between quick wins anf cultural change - Sam Allardyce or Tony Pulis might give you a quick win, but I want a town team that is progressive and has substance, and plays attractive football. In the short amount of time CC has been in, the culture and style has changed and improved, but it takes time and with any change there will be ups and downs along the way. We can be too quick to write people off - two or three matches in to a new system, having not played much football recently pre-joining us, many fans are writing off Holmes for example. FFS, give him a chance!! For the first time since Wagner, we are seeing players properly coached - Koroma and Mbenza on the scrap heap from many, have now been very effective - that’s coaching! The last couple of games, Rowe has looked great and can see similarities with Koroma - again due to good coaching. I was really impressed with Phillips cameo in midweek and hopefully we have a talent on our hands, but madness that based on 20mins or so, the amount of fans going mad at CC for not starting him yesterday. CC sees him everyday - I trust he will know when/if ready. I am not a so called happy clapper but I have patience IF I see the right thing being done and I see that on the playing side at town. I don’t think our squad is strong enough yet for a top 6 push next season but I believe big time that the culture, playing style and individual quality is improving. If we can keep hold of the core group, keep developing the young lads and bring in a few new faces in the summer, ideally of the quality of Pipa and Vallejo, then who knows. This is hopefully a 3-5 year plan - it’s easy to make rash conclusions based purely on results or the highlights of goals etc - the 90min match performances tell a different story. We may well get beat in our next match, and there will be more ups and downs yet but is it progress from the end of the Cowley’s era to where we are now - for me, absolutely. Easy to forget how many injuries we have had too - 5 or 6 big players missing yesterday against a team that went 2nd if they won. I remain confident we won’t get involved in a relegation battle as consistent good performance levels will pay dividends over a whole season. Keep the faith...it’s been a lot worse!! UTT Excellent points well put. And the chairman deserves credit for getting CC in place & not giving his predecessors too long and having the vision (misunderstood) for a long term sustainability for the club. And the ex-chairman deserves credit for getting the chairman in place & for financing us throughout his tenure (misunderstood that he still is proportionately).
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Post by terriertim on Feb 21, 2021 11:40:52 GMT 1
For me this is what is so frustrating about Town at the moment. Yesterday they set out their intentions and played like we all know they can. 100% effort and I think we all should say a big thank you to each and everyone of them for bringing a it of cheer into these dark times. THATS HOW YOU CAN PLAY ! We all know that on their day they are capable of beating anyone in this league (Swansea could have gone 2nd yeaterday) - all we ask as fans is that you do yoour best, give us an honest days toil for and honest days wage. That and believe you are capable of winning. If you lose ...you lose.....but if you can walk off that pitch and look your teammates and manager in the eye and say "Boss I did my best" thats all we ask...
Nothing to fear Town - up and at em !
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Post by boooothy on Feb 21, 2021 11:55:28 GMT 1
I’m all about results, never really cared what it looked like. I know some do though and it has a big effect of season ticket sales etc and there is no denying we are good to watch if you can get past the ridiculous goals we give away.
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Feb 21, 2021 11:58:05 GMT 1
I’m all about results, never really cared what it looked like. I know some do though and it has a big effect of season ticket sales etc and there is no denying we are good to watch if you can get past the ridiculous goals we give away. Hey don’t get me wrong - I love winning!! My belief is that long-term good standard and continual improved performances will lead to better results. The two don’t have to be mutually exclusive!
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Feb 21, 2021 12:02:20 GMT 1
Most people can see that Carlos has done a fantastic job and yesterday was brilliant.
The defence has been a real worry though, especially our inability to hold onto a lead. We’re too gung-ho playing out from the back and make too many similar mistakes. I love the way we play and realise it gets the most out of our players, but it’s the lack of match awareness that’s so frustrating. We can see the goals coming, like Boro and Wycombe, but the players and management team seemingly can’t.
Sometimes you need to put it into the corner, get up the pitch and kill some time to break the pattern of the game when we’re under the cosh.
I think 3 at the back is the way to go as well because it’s so easy to get in behind our full-backs and then isolate a couple of ropey, inconsistent centre halves in Sarr and Keogh.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Feb 21, 2021 12:19:00 GMT 1
Talking of Sam Allardyce, I watched MOTD this morning for the first time in ages, and I see he’s exactly the same, WBA get a red card and “Well I suppose most will say under the current rules you could say it was technically correct, but was it a goal scoring chance 50 meters out.” Funnily enough he’d nothing to say about later on when the officials and VAR both missed the most blatant handball and penalty that would have given Burnley a win - he’s not on his own of course but he’s one of the worst offenders for moaning about one incident but ignoring the ones that goes for them.
Then that twat Danny Murphy, fkin hell he is the most annoying prick, all the Sheff United fans watching must have felt just like we used to, vital 6 pointer relegation game, Fulham keeper somehow gets away without conceding a penalty to level things up and all the pundits agree, clear and blatant penalty but Murphy “Well I suppose it was but I’m pleased for Fulham” I know he played for Fulham but it stinks.
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Post by hypotenuse on Feb 21, 2021 12:20:52 GMT 1
Most people can see that Carlos has done a fantastic job and yesterday was brilliant. The defence has been a real worry though, especially our inability to hold onto a lead. We’re too gung-ho playing out from the back and make too many similar mistakes. I love the way we play and realise it gets the most out of our players, but it’s the lack of match awareness that’s so frustrating. We can see the goals coming, like Boro and Wycombe, but the players and management team seemingly can’t. Sometimes you need to put it into the corner, get up the pitch and kill some time to break the pattern of the game when we’re under the cosh. I think 3 at the back is the way to go as well because it’s so easy to get in behind our full-backs and then isolate a couple of ropey, inconsistent centre halves in Sarr and Keogh. Broadly agree. I think the problem comes when you rigidly stick to one strategy and never change. Even the best team in the country (Man City) can score route one goals (Ederson assist for Gundogan last week). We don’t have to play out from the back in first half stoppage time, for example. Combining our style with a little bit of pragmatism and football ‘nous’ will go a long way.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Feb 21, 2021 12:21:00 GMT 1
I don't really think the formation matters too much - if we keep dropping ridiculous clangers then we'll keep dropping points. No team can be anywhere near where we are in terms of the number of goals we have handed teams on a plate this season and that has completely undermined the progress Carlos has made with this set of players. We've lost games when we've totally outplayed teams - in a style that has been fantastic to watch - because someone has made an absolute howler - and it's happened again and again. It could easily have happened yesterday due to Schofield's brain-bypass at the freekick.
Obviously that's something for the coach to stamp out but the law of averages mean surely we can't have a season with so many massive gaffs as this one.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 21, 2021 12:30:18 GMT 1
Some very fair points in the original post but the players need to back yesterday up. They showed yesterday they are capable, and still have frailties, but now they have something to build on.
One performance doesn't resolve the issues that have been debated in the past few months. However performances are key to turning the mindset at the club.
The one thing that I don't agree with is the "it's been a lot worse " assessment. You can't keep measuring your position against a low benchmark, you'll never get better. It's also true to say "it's been a lot better ". Which is better, to try and attain what you know what is possible or be better than your worst?
Let's get a few more results and keep looking up, one game at a time.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 21, 2021 12:30:43 GMT 1
Obviously that's something for the coach to stamp out but the law of averages mean surely we can't have a season with so many massive gaffs as this one. Or as many injuries, in another world we could have had a bench of Mbenza, Eiting, Koroma, Grant, Ward, Aaron’s, Schindler, Toffolo.
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Post by Wingman on Feb 21, 2021 12:31:56 GMT 1
Then that twat Danny Murphy, fkin hell he is the most annoying prick, all the Sheff United fans watching must have felt just like we used to, vital 6 pointer relegation game, Fulham keeper somehow gets away without conceding a penalty to level things up and all the pundits agree, clear and blatant penalty but Murphy “Well I suppose it was but I’m pleased for Fulham” I know he played for Fulham but it stinks. Have to agree, Murphy is a prick. He looks like something Phil Mitchell shat out after a hard night on the whiskey and a bust up with ‘Kaff’ or ‘Shaz’.
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Feb 21, 2021 12:40:28 GMT 1
Some very fair points in the original post but the players need to back yesterday up. They showed yesterday they are capable, and still have frailties, but now they have something to build on. One performance doesn't resolve the issues that have been debated in the past few months. However performances are key to turning the mindset at the club. The one thing that I don't agree with is the "it's been a lot worse " assessment. You can't keep measuring your position against a low benchmark, you'll never get better. It's also true to say "it's been a lot better ". Which is better, to try and attain what you know what is possible or be better than your worst? Let's get a few more results and keep looking up, one game at a time. Thanks Cuz! (Hope you are well btw - talking of good times, the last time we saw each other was walking out of Wembley on our way to the Premier League! Great day!) On your point about being better or worse - I agree with what you are saying but probably misinterpreted my point on it. My day job is organisational culture and I totally agree that we should always strive to be better and that we shouldn’t compare ourselves with past glories and failures or compare ourselves against others - in any walk of life, always people better or worse off than us. My point being, we play good football and I think it is important to be able to enjoy the good times! Yesterday was a good day, let’s enjoy it rather than look for negatives! Next match is a new match. I agree one win doesn’t make us great, but for 24 hours I am going to enjoy it! I think the reverse is also true, a defeat doesn’t always mean doom and gloom - for example there was enough signs of quality in defeats to Middlesbrough and Bristol C that gave me optimism. A nice run of wins would certainly now all make us feel a lot happier and relaxed as we hit the business end of the season!
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Post by boooothy on Feb 21, 2021 12:49:40 GMT 1
I don't really think the formation matters too much - if we keep dropping ridiculous clangers then we'll keep dropping points. No team can be anywhere near where we are in terms of the number of goals we have handed teams on a plate this season and that has completely undermined the progress Carlos has made with this set of players. We've lost games when we've totally outplayed teams - in a style that has been fantastic to watch - because someone has made an absolute howler - and it's happened again and again. It could easily have happened yesterday due to Schofield's brain-bypass at the freekick. Obviously that's something for the coach to stamp out but the law of averages mean surely we can't have a season with so many massive gaffs as this one. I keep losing money with this theory that we can’t continue giving goals away.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 21, 2021 13:12:28 GMT 1
Just cant slow down our play in our half, its fatal.
Has to be quicker, wether it goes forward and then comes back makes no difference , it has to be sharper.
We got caught with the ball a few times and we were in danger, the sharper, quicker stuff goes wrong of course but it's always further up and we are moving forward onto the play rather than standing still or too far up waiting for the pass that takes an eternity to come forward or just never comes.
Our slow play merely catches us out of position.
Town are better moving forward with or without the ball.
It wasnt a foul for their goal but we went deep and failed to clear and didnt get out, the goals we concede are often a long time, in football terms, coming. Had we put it into row z then the rest does not happen etc. Have to get our percentages of getting rid better in relation to trying to play out?
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Post by ACW on Feb 21, 2021 14:10:11 GMT 1
Just cant slow down our play in our half, its fatal. Has to be quicker, wether it goes forward and then comes back makes no difference , it has to be sharper. We got caught with the ball a few times and we were in danger, the sharper, quicker stuff goes wrong of course but it's always further up and we are moving forward onto the play rather than standing still or too far up waiting for the pass that takes an eternity to come forward or just never comes. Our slow play merely catches us out of position. Town are better moving forward with or without the ball. It wasnt a foul for their goal but we went deep and failed to clear and didnt get out, the goals we concede are often a long time, in football terms, coming. Had we put it into row z then the rest does not happen etc. Have to get our percentages of getting rid better in relation to trying to play out? I agree about the speed of our play at times. I think that is often down to lack of movement/options in front of the ball carrier. As soon as Sarr gets the ball for example, we know he will step into midfield and be looking for options. At that point we have to be moving and making angles. Sarr often causes his own problems, as does Keogh, but with better options they are less likely to do so.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Feb 21, 2021 22:40:05 GMT 1
I am beyond buzzing for yesterday’s win - for the manager, coaching staff, players and the fan’s. I’m not going to say I expected us to hammer Swansea, but I was not surprised we won. Many fans are a fickle bunch at all clubs - we know that - but if watching lots of the full matches this season, it is clear our performance levels, attractiveness and quality has increased so much. 30 years since I went to my first Town match - a defeat at Gigg Lane - and the general performance levels this season have been some of the best. I hate when we get beat but have enjoyed watching us. There is a difference between just being shit and playing well but mistakes costing us. In 30 years I have watched enough shocking Town performances to appreciate the difference! I am not going to talk about the chairman, ex-chairman, board etc as that is another conversation but the manager, coaches and players deserve real credit. In a year where we had to let several of our better players leave and all the issues of Covid, then I think they have done a really good job. In any industry, there is a difference between quick wins anf cultural change - Sam Allardyce or Tony Pulis might give you a quick win, but I want a town team that is progressive and has substance, and plays attractive football. In the short amount of time CC has been in, the culture and style has changed and improved, but it takes time and with any change there will be ups and downs along the way. We can be too quick to write people off - two or three matches in to a new system, having not played much football recently pre-joining us, many fans are writing off Holmes for example. FFS, give him a chance!! For the first time since Wagner, we are seeing players properly coached - Koroma and Mbenza on the scrap heap from many, have now been very effective - that’s coaching! The last couple of games, Rowe has looked great and can see similarities with Koroma - again due to good coaching. I was really impressed with Phillips cameo in midweek and hopefully we have a talent on our hands, but madness that based on 20mins or so, the amount of fans going mad at CC for not starting him yesterday. CC sees him everyday - I trust he will know when/if ready. I am not a so called happy clapper but I have patience IF I see the right thing being done and I see that on the playing side at town. I don’t think our squad is strong enough yet for a top 6 push next season but I believe big time that the culture, playing style and individual quality is improving. If we can keep hold of the core group, keep developing the young lads and bring in a few new faces in the summer, ideally of the quality of Pipa and Vallejo, then who knows. This is hopefully a 3-5 year plan - it’s easy to make rash conclusions based purely on results or the highlights of goals etc - the 90min match performances tell a different story. We may well get beat in our next match, and there will be more ups and downs yet but is it progress from the end of the Cowley’s era to where we are now - for me, absolutely. Easy to forget how many injuries we have had too - 5 or 6 big players missing yesterday against a team that went 2nd if they won. I remain confident we won’t get involved in a relegation battle as consistent good performance levels will pay dividends over a whole season. Keep the faith...it’s been a lot worse!! UTT 26 liked this...we just went 9 matches without winning!! Performance levels have been some of the best in your 30 years watching? I suggest you need Specsavers. Bristol was the only true killer performance....we lost and then they lost 6 straight after. 3-5 year plan? We were in the Prem recently...now we are an average Div 1 team. I agree the games are a bit more gung-ho action wise but its mostly crud, no plan. We won 4-1....could have been 2-3 watching it back. We are miles away from creating a team.
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Post by est1908 on Feb 21, 2021 22:51:23 GMT 1
I am beyond buzzing for yesterday’s win - for the manager, coaching staff, players and the fan’s. I’m not going to say I expected us to hammer Swansea, but I was not surprised we won. Many fans are a fickle bunch at all clubs - we know that - but if watching lots of the full matches this season, it is clear our performance levels, attractiveness and quality has increased so much. 30 years since I went to my first Town match - a defeat at Gigg Lane - and the general performance levels this season have been some of the best. I hate when we get beat but have enjoyed watching us. There is a difference between just being shit and playing well but mistakes costing us. In 30 years I have watched enough shocking Town performances to appreciate the difference! I am not going to talk about the chairman, ex-chairman, board etc as that is another conversation but the manager, coaches and players deserve real credit. In a year where we had to let several of our better players leave and all the issues of Covid, then I think they have done a really good job. In any industry, there is a difference between quick wins anf cultural change - Sam Allardyce or Tony Pulis might give you a quick win, but I want a town team that is progressive and has substance, and plays attractive football. In the short amount of time CC has been in, the culture and style has changed and improved, but it takes time and with any change there will be ups and downs along the way. We can be too quick to write people off - two or three matches in to a new system, having not played much football recently pre-joining us, many fans are writing off Holmes for example. FFS, give him a chance!! For the first time since Wagner, we are seeing players properly coached - Koroma and Mbenza on the scrap heap from many, have now been very effective - that’s coaching! The last couple of games, Rowe has looked great and can see similarities with Koroma - again due to good coaching. I was really impressed with Phillips cameo in midweek and hopefully we have a talent on our hands, but madness that based on 20mins or so, the amount of fans going mad at CC for not starting him yesterday. CC sees him everyday - I trust he will know when/if ready. I am not a so called happy clapper but I have patience IF I see the right thing being done and I see that on the playing side at town. I don’t think our squad is strong enough yet for a top 6 push next season but I believe big time that the culture, playing style and individual quality is improving. If we can keep hold of the core group, keep developing the young lads and bring in a few new faces in the summer, ideally of the quality of Pipa and Vallejo, then who knows. This is hopefully a 3-5 year plan - it’s easy to make rash conclusions based purely on results or the highlights of goals etc - the 90min match performances tell a different story. We may well get beat in our next match, and there will be more ups and downs yet but is it progress from the end of the Cowley’s era to where we are now - for me, absolutely. Easy to forget how many injuries we have had too - 5 or 6 big players missing yesterday against a team that went 2nd if they won. I remain confident we won’t get involved in a relegation battle as consistent good performance levels will pay dividends over a whole season. Keep the faith...it’s been a lot worse!! UTT 26 liked this...we just went 9 matches without winning!! Performance levels have been some of the best in your 30 years watching? I suggest you need Specsavers. Bristol was the only true killer performance....we lost and then they lost 6 straight after. 3-5 year plan? We were in the Prem recently...now we are an average Div 1 team. I agree the games are a bit more gung-ho action wise but its mostly crud, no plan. We won 4-1.... could have been 2-3 watching it back. We are miles away from creating a team. How can you watch a match back and deduct us 2 goals??? If you watched that back, then surely you watched the Wycombe match back. Which could have been 4-3....
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Post by cissystrutt74 on Feb 21, 2021 22:52:54 GMT 1
I am beyond buzzing for yesterday’s win - for the manager, coaching staff, players and the fan’s. I’m not going to say I expected us to hammer Swansea, but I was not surprised we won. Many fans are a fickle bunch at all clubs - we know that - but if watching lots of the full matches this season, it is clear our performance levels, attractiveness and quality has increased so much. 30 years since I went to my first Town match - a defeat at Gigg Lane - and the general performance levels this season have been some of the best. I hate when we get beat but have enjoyed watching us. There is a difference between just being shit and playing well but mistakes costing us. In 30 years I have watched enough shocking Town performances to appreciate the difference! I am not going to talk about the chairman, ex-chairman, board etc as that is another conversation but the manager, coaches and players deserve real credit. In a year where we had to let several of our better players leave and all the issues of Covid, then I think they have done a really good job. In any industry, there is a difference between quick wins anf cultural change - Sam Allardyce or Tony Pulis might give you a quick win, but I want a town team that is progressive and has substance, and plays attractive football. In the short amount of time CC has been in, the culture and style has changed and improved, but it takes time and with any change there will be ups and downs along the way. We can be too quick to write people off - two or three matches in to a new system, having not played much football recently pre-joining us, many fans are writing off Holmes for example. FFS, give him a chance!! For the first time since Wagner, we are seeing players properly coached - Koroma and Mbenza on the scrap heap from many, have now been very effective - that’s coaching! The last couple of games, Rowe has looked great and can see similarities with Koroma - again due to good coaching. I was really impressed with Phillips cameo in midweek and hopefully we have a talent on our hands, but madness that based on 20mins or so, the amount of fans going mad at CC for not starting him yesterday. CC sees him everyday - I trust he will know when/if ready. I am not a so called happy clapper but I have patience IF I see the right thing being done and I see that on the playing side at town. I don’t think our squad is strong enough yet for a top 6 push next season but I believe big time that the culture, playing style and individual quality is improving. If we can keep hold of the core group, keep developing the young lads and bring in a few new faces in the summer, ideally of the quality of Pipa and Vallejo, then who knows. This is hopefully a 3-5 year plan - it’s easy to make rash conclusions based purely on results or the highlights of goals etc - the 90min match performances tell a different story. We may well get beat in our next match, and there will be more ups and downs yet but is it progress from the end of the Cowley’s era to where we are now - for me, absolutely. Easy to forget how many injuries we have had too - 5 or 6 big players missing yesterday against a team that went 2nd if they won. I remain confident we won’t get involved in a relegation battle as consistent good performance levels will pay dividends over a whole season. Keep the faith...it’s been a lot worse!! UTT Absolutely love the sentiment but i don't see how short terms contracts for past it players and scrambling to get free agents over the line when the windows shut as any kind of 3 to 5 year plan! I hope you're right, but i don't think we can underestimate the impact of covid and lockdown on the business At the moment it's just about survival and retaining champ status Even after this great win, do you see us suddenly do the opposite of our recent form and go on a winning streak? i'm not so sure. Survival is all that matters on and off the pitch
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Feb 21, 2021 23:07:47 GMT 1
26 liked this...we just went 9 matches without winning!! Performance levels have been some of the best in your 30 years watching? I suggest you need Specsavers. Bristol was the only true killer performance....we lost and then they lost 6 straight after. 3-5 year plan? We were in the Prem recently...now we are an average Div 1 team. I agree the games are a bit more gung-ho action wise but its mostly crud, no plan. We won 4-1.... could have been 2-3 watching it back. We are miles away from creating a team. How can you watch a match back and deduct us 2 goals??? If you watched that back, then surely you watched the Wycombe match back. Which could have been 4-3.... Watching Bristol back we could have won 7-1....but we lost. We lost to Wycombe....a team with no budget and one win in 16. That game told you where we were at as a team. Watch Towns 4 goals....the Swansea keeper had a bet on Town...1000%
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Post by softboy on Feb 21, 2021 23:14:43 GMT 1
I think one of the problems is with football being shown everyday on TV we are sort of thinking football clubs are operating pretty much as normal. But they arn't and in many cases they are in a worse position than many hospitality bussinesses that are closed in that football clubs costs have stayed the same/risen yet their income is significantly reduced. Some caused by their own miss management I agree.We now have a situation (as has been said on other threads) we are now talking about who plays, is it fair to drop Rowe, should our best full/wing back come straight back in etc. So we are beginning to have a situation where if people don't perform we have options. Even the CB situation has eassed a little.
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Post by shawsie on Feb 21, 2021 23:49:10 GMT 1
How can you watch a match back and deduct us 2 goals??? If you watched that back, then surely you watched the Wycombe match back. Which could have been 4-3.... Watching Bristol back we could have won 7-1....but we lost. We lost to Wycombe....a team with no budget and one win in 16. That game told you where we were at as a team. Watch Towns 4 goals....the Swansea keeper had a bet on Town...1000% That’s just bollocks mate. Misfit right in the corner for the first, deflection wrong footed him for the second, no chance with either 3 or 4. I don’t disagree we aren’t a great team........but let’s at least get the facts right.
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Post by 747max on Feb 22, 2021 0:58:36 GMT 1
It's got to this time of the year again on fortunately that we have to accept poor scrape of the arse performances to keep our league status... When we get crowds back and we settle back in... Things will get better.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 22, 2021 1:25:06 GMT 1
How can you watch a match back and deduct us 2 goals??? If you watched that back, then surely you watched the Wycombe match back. Which could have been 4-3.... thumbup Watching Bristol back we could have won 7-1....but we lost. We lost to Wycombe....a team with no budget and one win in 16. That game told you where we were at as a team. Watch Towns 4 goals....the Swansea keeper had a bet on Town...1000% ;) Oti in "swimming against the tide for the sake of it" shocker...
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Post by 747max on Feb 22, 2021 1:32:50 GMT 1
Watching Bristol back we could have won 7-1....but we lost. We lost to Wycombe....a team with no budget and one win in 16. That game told you where we were at as a team. Watch Towns 4 goals....the Swansea keeper had a bet on Town...1000% Oti in "swimming against the tide for the sake of it" shocker... Sake of it shocker??? The team won (for a change ... Yes) just enjoy it till the next 5 losses in a row.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Feb 22, 2021 8:00:35 GMT 1
Watching Bristol back we could have won 7-1....but we lost. We lost to Wycombe....a team with no budget and one win in 16. That game told you where we were at as a team. Watch Towns 4 goals....the Swansea keeper had a bet on Town...1000% That’s just bollocks mate. Misfit right in the corner for the first, deflection wrong footed him for the second, no chance with either 3 or 4. I don’t disagree we aren’t a great team........but let’s at least get the facts right. He looked slower than Scholfield to me on all four goals. I wont bother looking but i bet his match rating was pretty low.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Feb 22, 2021 8:01:40 GMT 1
Watching Bristol back we could have won 7-1....but we lost. We lost to Wycombe....a team with no budget and one win in 16. That game told you where we were at as a team. Watch Towns 4 goals....the Swansea keeper had a bet on Town...1000% Oti in "swimming against the tide for the sake of it" shocker... Like Coronavirus. NEVER for the sake of it. If i believe it i say it.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Feb 22, 2021 9:18:49 GMT 1
Oti in "swimming against the tide for the sake of it" shocker... Like Coronavirus. NEVER for the sake of it. If i believe it i say it. In that case would you clarify four points for me, will Town stay up this season, either by their own efforts or the failure of others, is the world flat, did NASA put a man on the moon or was it a fix and do little green men from space exist ? Would genuinely love to hear your confirmation on all of them.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 22, 2021 9:20:14 GMT 1
That’s just bollocks mate. Misfit right in the corner for the first, deflection wrong footed him for the second, no chance with either 3 or 4. I don’t disagree we aren’t a great team........but let’s at least get the facts right. He looked slower than Scholfield to me on all four goals. I wont bother looking but i bet his match rating was pretty low. The second was the only one that I thought was iffy, but when viewed from behind it takes just enough of a deflection, without taking much pace off, to knack his chances of saving it. The other 3 were goals that not many keepers would save. 1st goal. It was a scuff that took it well out of reach. Even had he dived he would still have been well short. 3rd goal. Very good finish. Any keeper that pulls off a save in that scenario would be lauded with pulling off a worldy (as they say nowadays) 4th goal. As per 3. Really not sure how he would have been expected to save that one? Controversial for controversial's sake Oti. We get it...
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