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Post by conman on Feb 22, 2021 10:52:30 GMT 1
I am beyond buzzing for yesterday’s win - for the manager, coaching staff, players and the fan’s. I’m not going to say I expected us to hammer Swansea, but I was not surprised we won. Many fans are a fickle bunch at all clubs - we know that - but if watching lots of the full matches this season, it is clear our performance levels, attractiveness and quality has increased so much. 30 years since I went to my first Town match - a defeat at Gigg Lane - and the general performance levels this season have been some of the best. I hate when we get beat but have enjoyed watching us. There is a difference between just being shit and playing well but mistakes costing us. In 30 years I have watched enough shocking Town performances to appreciate the difference! I am not going to talk about the chairman, ex-chairman, board etc as that is another conversation but the manager, coaches and players deserve real credit. In a year where we had to let several of our better players leave and all the issues of Covid, then I think they have done a really good job. In any industry, there is a difference between quick wins anf cultural change - Sam Allardyce or Tony Pulis might give you a quick win, but I want a town team that is progressive and has substance, and plays attractive football. In the short amount of time CC has been in, the culture and style has changed and improved, but it takes time and with any change there will be ups and downs along the way. We can be too quick to write people off - two or three matches in to a new system, having not played much football recently pre-joining us, many fans are writing off Holmes for example. FFS, give him a chance!! For the first time since Wagner, we are seeing players properly coached - Koroma and Mbenza on the scrap heap from many, have now been very effective - that’s coaching! The last couple of games, Rowe has looked great and can see similarities with Koroma - again due to good coaching. I was really impressed with Phillips cameo in midweek and hopefully we have a talent on our hands, but madness that based on 20mins or so, the amount of fans going mad at CC for not starting him yesterday. CC sees him everyday - I trust he will know when/if ready. I am not a so called happy clapper but I have patience IF I see the right thing being done and I see that on the playing side at town. I don’t think our squad is strong enough yet for a top 6 push next season but I believe big time that the culture, playing style and individual quality is improving. If we can keep hold of the core group, keep developing the young lads and bring in a few new faces in the summer, ideally of the quality of Pipa and Vallejo, then who knows. This is hopefully a 3-5 year plan - it’s easy to make rash conclusions based purely on results or the highlights of goals etc - the 90min match performances tell a different story. We may well get beat in our next match, and there will be more ups and downs yet but is it progress from the end of the Cowley’s era to where we are now - for me, absolutely. Easy to forget how many injuries we have had too - 5 or 6 big players missing yesterday against a team that went 2nd if they won. I remain confident we won’t get involved in a relegation battle as consistent good performance levels will pay dividends over a whole season. Keep the faith...it’s been a lot worse!! UTT 26 liked this...we just went 9 matches without winning!! Performance levels have been some of the best in your 30 years watching? I suggest you need Specsavers. Bristol was the only true killer performance....we lost and then they lost 6 straight after. 3-5 year plan? We were in the Prem recently...now we are an average Div 1 team. I agree the games are a bit more gung-ho action wise but its mostly crud, no plan. We won 4-1....could have been 2-3 watching it back. We are miles away from creating a team. I fully agree. Watching a full match later , the missed chances , the ones that should have been saved , the flukey shots that could have gone anywhere. You see it completely different to the actual result on the day.. A good example of this being , we were robbed of a 1-0 victory at Maine rd in 87..😉
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Feb 22, 2021 10:56:00 GMT 1
I am beyond buzzing for yesterday’s win - for the manager, coaching staff, players and the fan’s. I’m not going to say I expected us to hammer Swansea, but I was not surprised we won. Many fans are a fickle bunch at all clubs - we know that - but if watching lots of the full matches this season, it is clear our performance levels, attractiveness and quality has increased so much. 30 years since I went to my first Town match - a defeat at Gigg Lane - and the general performance levels this season have been some of the best. I hate when we get beat but have enjoyed watching us. There is a difference between just being shit and playing well but mistakes costing us. In 30 years I have watched enough shocking Town performances to appreciate the difference! I am not going to talk about the chairman, ex-chairman, board etc as that is another conversation but the manager, coaches and players deserve real credit. In a year where we had to let several of our better players leave and all the issues of Covid, then I think they have done a really good job. In any industry, there is a difference between quick wins anf cultural change - Sam Allardyce or Tony Pulis might give you a quick win, but I want a town team that is progressive and has substance, and plays attractive football. In the short amount of time CC has been in, the culture and style has changed and improved, but it takes time and with any change there will be ups and downs along the way. We can be too quick to write people off - two or three matches in to a new system, having not played much football recently pre-joining us, many fans are writing off Holmes for example. FFS, give him a chance!! For the first time since Wagner, we are seeing players properly coached - Koroma and Mbenza on the scrap heap from many, have now been very effective - that’s coaching! The last couple of games, Rowe has looked great and can see similarities with Koroma - again due to good coaching. I was really impressed with Phillips cameo in midweek and hopefully we have a talent on our hands, but madness that based on 20mins or so, the amount of fans going mad at CC for not starting him yesterday. CC sees him everyday - I trust he will know when/if ready. I am not a so called happy clapper but I have patience IF I see the right thing being done and I see that on the playing side at town. I don’t think our squad is strong enough yet for a top 6 push next season but I believe big time that the culture, playing style and individual quality is improving. If we can keep hold of the core group, keep developing the young lads and bring in a few new faces in the summer, ideally of the quality of Pipa and Vallejo, then who knows. This is hopefully a 3-5 year plan - it’s easy to make rash conclusions based purely on results or the highlights of goals etc - the 90min match performances tell a different story. We may well get beat in our next match, and there will be more ups and downs yet but is it progress from the end of the Cowley’s era to where we are now - for me, absolutely. Easy to forget how many injuries we have had too - 5 or 6 big players missing yesterday against a team that went 2nd if they won. I remain confident we won’t get involved in a relegation battle as consistent good performance levels will pay dividends over a whole season. Keep the faith...it’s been a lot worse!! UTT 26 liked this...we just went 9 matches without winning!! Performance levels have been some of the best in your 30 years watching? I suggest you need Specsavers. Bristol was the only true killer performance....we lost and then they lost 6 straight after. 3-5 year plan? We were in the Prem recently...now we are an average Div 1 team. I agree the games are a bit more gung-ho action wise but its mostly crud, no plan. We won 4-1....could have been 2-3 watching it back. We are miles away from creating a team. Annoyed with myself for even justifying this with a response... But f**k me, lighten up! And for someone as ‘well travelled’ and ‘wise’ as yourself, surely you know it is not healthy to spread negativity to bring others down? Yes, by all means, be miserable and always look for the negatives but just keep it to yourself. Enough misery in the world without reading your comments, which I suggest are more a case of ‘hey look at me everyone, look how controversial I can be.’ I shouldn’t need to justify my positivity but it’s a Monday morning and you have achieved what you wanted to achieve, and that is attention. For what it is worth, I have worked in football, been part of my life since I was very young, played semi-professional and have managed a successful amateur team for the last 12 years - I don’t need specsavers, I just don’t watch football with pre-conceived ideas of ‘this is shit’ - I watch a game and judge it on its own merits. Like a grown up. UTT
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Post by digs on Feb 22, 2021 13:16:51 GMT 1
I'm going to see if we can win another game,before I start gushing.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 22, 2021 13:50:29 GMT 1
I'm going to see if we can win another game,before I start gushing. We never win here, we'll probably start well, go in front, Derby will equalise go in front, then it'll be like the Alamo in the last 15 but we won't score.
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Post by LTown on Feb 22, 2021 14:02:07 GMT 1
The more astute among us could see the upturn under Wagner. It was obvious we were heading in the right direction. At the end of his first season, however, quite a few on here were claiming there had been no significant improvement, and they based this on our final League position.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 17:27:24 GMT 1
I'm going to see if we can win another game,before I start gushing. We never win here, we'll probably start well, go in front, Derby will equalise go in front, then it'll be like the Alamo in the last 15 but we won't score. So, you're not a Town supporter then!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 22, 2021 17:55:57 GMT 1
We never win here, we'll probably start well, go in front, Derby will equalise go in front, then it'll be like the Alamo in the last 15 but we won't score. So, you're not a Town supporter then! My credentials as a Town fan are water tight lad, 37 years, home and away up and down the land.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 20:01:55 GMT 1
So, you're not a Town supporter then! My credentials as a Town fan are water tight lad, 37 years, home and away up and down the land. There is a difference between being an attender of games & being a supporter, apparently!
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Post by andyeastleake on Feb 22, 2021 20:40:32 GMT 1
My credentials as a Town fan are water tight lad, 37 years, home and away up and down the land. There is a difference between being an attender of games & being a supporter, apparently! Steve Do you go to every Town game thinking they'll win? Seriously? I always HOPE they'll win but TBF if I only went to games I thought they'd win I'd have been to a LOT less games than I have (particularly away from home - I've seen them on 130+ grounds it would be a LOT less). There's nowt wrong with Art's post, nothing at all. It might well end up being accurate. I amongst a few others occasionally take the p**s out of ART for being a bit miserable (which to his great credit he takes with good grace - although TBF he'd be on pretty dodgy ground trying to argue the point). However you could never question whether or not he's a Town fan. Your post's just daft TBH.
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Post by Dan on Feb 22, 2021 21:08:57 GMT 1
There is a difference between being an attender of games & being a supporter, apparently! Steve Do you go to every Town game thinking they'll win? Seriously? I always HOPE they'll win but TBF if I only went to games I thought they'd win I'd have been to a LOT less games than I have (particularly away from home - I've seen them on 130+ grounds it would be a LOT less). There's nowt wrong with Art's post, nothing at all. It might well end up being accurate. I amongst a few others occasionally take the p**s out of ART for being a bit miserable (which to his great credit he takes with good grace - although TBF he'd be on pretty dodgy ground trying to argue the point). However you could never question whether or not he's a Town fan. Your post's just daft TBH. Besides, some would argue that being a miserable, moaning get is a pre-requisite to being a Town fan.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 21:37:58 GMT 1
There is a difference between being an attender of games & being a supporter, apparently! Steve Do you go to every Town game thinking they'll win? Seriously? I always HOPE they'll win but TBF if I only went to games I thought they'd win I'd have been to a LOT less games than I have (particularly away from home - I've seen them on 130+ grounds it would be a LOT less). There's nowt wrong with Art's post, nothing at all. It might well end up being accurate. I amongst a few others occasionally take the p**s out of ART for being a bit miserable (which to his great credit he takes with good grace - although TBF he'd be on pretty dodgy ground trying to argue the point). However you could never question whether or not he's a Town fan. Your post's just daft TBH. Andy, there is a subtle difference between thinking & hoping. As an optimist I do not think (expect) a negative result. I go as far as neutral. I would never bet on Town losing or seek to persuade someone they will. If I expected a loss I would not attend a game. Why would I pay money to be pissed off? Definition of supporter: a person who approves of and encourages. Synonyms, advocate, backer, promoter, defender, believer. Antonyms, opponent, adversary, i.e. Derby County on Tuesday & perversely, those who are negative, e.g. do not encourage despite attending! Art should reflect on his outlook on life & his influence on those who support, IMO.
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Post by cissystrutt74 on Feb 23, 2021 21:43:30 GMT 1
Come on everyone, let's get back to this
Remember the Alamo
Get behind the team!
1 win in 10?
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Post by midge on Feb 23, 2021 21:57:35 GMT 1
Come on everyone, let's get back to this Remember the Alamo Get behind the team! 1 win in 10? The sad thing is you probably had this thread identified and your response typed up before the game and couldn’t wait for us to trip up!
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Feb 23, 2021 22:01:07 GMT 1
Come on everyone, let's get back to this Remember the Alamo Get behind the team! 1 win in 10? The sad thing is you probably had this thread identified and your response typed up before the game! Haha absolutely midge - you can almost feel the delight in some ‘fans’ being happy when we get beat. Yes, tonight was very poor and I’m gutted...which shows why it is important to enjoy the wins when they happen, like Swansea on Saturday.
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Post by cissystrutt74 on Feb 23, 2021 22:13:53 GMT 1
Come on everyone, let's get back to this Remember the Alamo Get behind the team! 1 win in 10? The sad thing is you probably had this thread identified and your response typed up before the game and couldn’t wait for us to trip up! Unfortunately not fella, even missed putting my 1 nil derby win hunch on the predictions thread. I enjoyed the win over Swansea like everyone but I wasn't going to get all emotional over 1 win Reality is we are trouble and I'm pissed off we are in this position after seeing us in the premier only a couple of seasons ago!
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Post by hughphamism on Feb 23, 2021 22:14:18 GMT 1
The post is/was about performance. We've been very poor for a long time. The only games where we looked a threat was against Bristol (once we went 2-0 down) who were in a horrible run and playing to hang on and against Boro where we were outclassed until the sending off. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee - we're a poor side with not much going for it.
I think we'll stay up but not by much. Then a massive clear out as we apparently can't afford the current squad and then...god knows. It'll be down to whether we hit lucky with signing promising kids. Doesn't bode well though.
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Post by cissystrutt74 on Feb 23, 2021 22:18:14 GMT 1
The sad thing is you probably had this thread identified and your response typed up before the game! Haha absolutely midge - you can almost feel the delight in some ‘fans’ being happy when we get beat. Yes, tonight was very poor and I’m gutted...which shows why it is important to enjoy the wins when they happen, like Swansea on Saturday. "Delight"? You absolute weapon! I've enjoyed the good times and the bad but this is a different level The life is being sucked of this club and you're happy with 1 win in 10?
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Feb 24, 2021 9:21:27 GMT 1
Haha absolutely midge - you can almost feel the delight in some ‘fans’ being happy when we get beat. Yes, tonight was very poor and I’m gutted...which shows why it is important to enjoy the wins when they happen, like Swansea on Saturday. "Delight"? You absolute weapon! I've enjoyed the good times and the bad but this is a different level The life is being sucked of this club and you're happy with 1 win in 10? Haha ah classic grown up behaviour resorting to name-calling on a forum. You must feel big and proud now. Never did I say I was happy with 1 in 10 - of course I am not. I’m frustrated with where we at as a club as much as anyone - but Hudds are our team, and I will support the manager and players and be happy when we win, even if just for 48hours. What frustrates me more is that the posts and pages on the matchday thread are always significantly more when we lose than when we win. That IMO is a sad reflection of society. By all means moan when we get beat, but at least then comment when we win too in a positive way. The half-time comments on the Swansea thread were embarrassing to say the least AND some of the post match comments were about how we were lucky and how just one win in nine etc. I genuinely feel sorry for people who cannot feel joy in the positives in life, including a Hudds win. This is one of the main reasons why wins and promotions at a club like ours are so special. And no I am not being small-time as all clubs other than 5/6 in the country will be the same. I am glad I didn’t grow up supporting Liverpool or Man Utd for example. I have been to every playoff final for Town in my lifetime and these are some of the best days of my life. I love my club so much that even if I tried to not enjoy a win, I couldn’t. Losses always hurt - last nights game kept me awake last night as every loss hurts me. These down moments, for me, mean that every win is something I get joy out of. UTT
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