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Post by colnevalleyblue on Feb 24, 2021 0:15:43 GMT 1
Wow, some very unhealthy agendas here. The manager picks the team, tactics, preparation, substitutes, etc. But of course none of this is his fault. Lol But quite clearly doesnt pick the squad.
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Post by ACW on Feb 24, 2021 0:16:59 GMT 1
This shit show is a collective failure.
No one is absolved of blame.
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Post by willo on Feb 24, 2021 0:34:55 GMT 1
Sorry but CC is responsible for team selection and tactics. These are proven championship players. (Ok plus some kids). Im starting to think tactically he’s worse than Siewart, who I believe was unlucky with some of the results. I thought he’d finally clicked with how he set us up against Swansea and then goes and bloody changed it again tonight. Worse than Siewart? Not a chance.
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Post by midlander on Feb 24, 2021 0:38:45 GMT 1
Don’t think town fans are putting any blame on the manager . You want to bet? Seen quite a few calling for his head
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Post by willo on Feb 24, 2021 0:43:46 GMT 1
This shit show is a collective failure. No one is absolved of blame. Agreed. The board haven’t backed the manager properly, certain players have let everyone down, injuries have cost us and CC has got it wrong in some games. Still think our inability to bring in a striker, an experienced keeper and a non-geriatric centre half in the January window are at the core of many of our deficiencies in the main though. The coach is a young fella in his first coaching role and it’s reasonable to expect he will make mistakes. Personally would have gone and got McCarthy last summer whilst he was out of work but I guess he would have caused waves with the board when told we were selling all the talent and replacing with cheapies.
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Post by redshadow on Feb 24, 2021 0:47:22 GMT 1
Get the useless spaniards down the road. Ole cc and goodnight.
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Post by willo on Feb 24, 2021 1:18:02 GMT 1
This shit show is a collective failure. No one is absolved of blame. Agreed. The board haven’t backed the manager properly, certain players have let everyone down, injuries have cost us and CC has got it wrong in some games. Still think our inability to bring in a striker, an experienced keeper and a non-geriatric centre half in the January window are at the core of many of our deficiencies in the main though. The coach is a young fella in his first coaching role and it’s reasonable to expect he will make mistakes. Personally would have gone and got McCarthy last summer whilst he was out of work but I guess he would have caused waves with the board when told we were selling all the talent and replacing with cheapies.
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Post by bigtruck on Feb 24, 2021 1:50:52 GMT 1
Sorry but CC is responsible for team selection and tactics. These are proven championship players. (Ok plus some kids). Im starting to think tactically he’s worse than Siewart, who I believe was unlucky with some of the results. I thought he’d finally clicked with how he set us up against Swansea and then goes and bloody changed it again tonight. Worse than Siewart? Not a chance. It’s easy to look at the results and say Siewart was shite but I’m not talking about results I’m talking about tactics and performances. They were not as bad as some of the crap we’ve seen this year. It didn’t work with Jan but he wasn’t far off. At the minute there doesn’t seem to be any cohesion or plan or ideas coming from CC and he’s definitely showing his naivety and Lack of experience. It’s only my opinion but I don’t think CC is any better than Siewart.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 2:33:31 GMT 1
Don’t think town fans are putting any blame on the manager . I am. Weak defensively, constantly exposed when we lose the ball. We don't score many and we don't make many chances. All of that comes back to game structure and tactical changes. Players are not good but they are as good as Luton, Coventry & Birmingham so create a system the gets the best from them, for each specific game. Not stick to an idealized view of a football philosophy and I don't mean going 442. We’ve scored more than all but two teams who are outside the top six. But otherwise I agree. CC is obviously a very decent coach, but this is turning out to look like the wrong project at the wrong time with the wrong players. His game management is frankly embarrassing at times (something that could be levelled at Bielsa who he’s obviously picked up a lot from), and his insistence on convincing low quality players to believe they can get away with tactics that demand a higher level of technical and athletic ability is blinkered. It’s the kind of football that looks good in a development team, unfortunately we are in a results league. He probably shouldn’t be the manager next season 🤷♂️
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Post by johnny_b on Feb 24, 2021 8:51:50 GMT 1
I am. Weak defensively, constantly exposed when we lose the ball. We don't score many and we don't make many chances. All of that comes back to game structure and tactical changes. Players are not good but they are as good as Luton, Coventry & Birmingham so create a system the gets the best from them, for each specific game. Not stick to an idealized view of a football philosophy and I don't mean going 442. We’ve scored more than all but two teams who are outside the top six. But otherwise I agree. CC is obviously a very decent coach, but this is turning out to look like the wrong project at the wrong time with the wrong players. His game management is frankly embarrassing at times (something that could be levelled at Bielsa who he’s obviously picked up a lot from), and his insistence on convincing low quality players to believe they can get away with tactics that demand a higher level of technical and athletic ability is blinkered. It’s the kind of football that looks good in a development team, unfortunately we are in a results league. He probably shouldn’t be the manager next season 🤷♂️ Game management, a very good point. We are lacking leadership both on the field and in the dugout and have blown a possible 23 points from winning positions. I know teams don't always shut up shop and hang on to leads but that's an astonishing amount and even a third of that would have seen us with no worries at all. I like the way the manager wants the team to play however, there are times when he has to change things, a time to clear your lines and a time to take time out of a game when under pressure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 10:37:03 GMT 1
robins may well have the last laugh
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 24, 2021 12:10:28 GMT 1
Don’t think town fans are putting any blame on the manager . You want to bet? Seen quite a few calling for his head No I take it back your right. Not me I’m shocked people can’t see the lack of backing he’s had. His hands have been tied behind his back.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 24, 2021 12:11:36 GMT 1
robins may well have the last laugh Why the manager that took over from him got us promoted.
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Post by Toxic Ted on Feb 24, 2021 12:27:15 GMT 1
Hodgkinson has been watching too many old A Team repeats. He’s given Carlos the equivalent of a rusty plough and a broken child’s bike expecting him to rustle a tank up out of it.
No way is any of this mess the manager’s fault.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 24, 2021 13:21:22 GMT 1
We have had horrible injuries. Either just unlucky or down to training, physio etc. Not the manager.
We have a good 11 but a weak squad. Unfortunately we don’t have the money to spend on 25 players good enough to start. Not the manager.
The tactics, style, formation, confidence, plan A, B and C...the manager. It doesn’t matter if we have no fit, senior players and have to play the youth team, if there is clear effort and a plan, no matter what that is, then that’s fair enough. At least we can say we tried. There isn’t at the moment. The buck stops with the manager.
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Post by iangreaves on Feb 24, 2021 13:30:19 GMT 1
Wow, some very unhealthy agendas here. The manager picks the team, tactics, preparation, substitutes, etc. But of course none of this is his fault. Lol He picks from the players he's provided with.
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Post by htfc63 on Feb 24, 2021 13:35:34 GMT 1
It seems to me there are multiple factors at play here . Generally I like Corborans style of play however he has to not be stubborn and be able to adapt given the availability of players. Clearly the players are not capable of playing out from the back and make numerous errors in doing so. The players he had were not used to the intensive style of training and hence it’s no surprise the amount of injuries we have seen. Players we have brought in are not capable of being in a physical game and hence teams who play like Derby will more than likely win out against us. We are naive on a number of accounts. Players give away stupid free kicks when we know we are poor at defending set pieces. We cling on to possession in the belief that will allow us to create opportunities however with little movement in midfield and up front there is no outlet for playing the ball forward and hence defenders are closed down or play the ball across the back in our half. We only usually have one leader on the pitch and that’s Hogg. Whilst he is not perfect he does keep players on their toes and this lack of vocal support and encouragement means players like Bacuna, OBrien and even Holmes go missing for big periods of he game and see little consequences in not playing to an acceptable standard. Sadly this is not an easy fix as right from boardroom , managers and the players there are huge delusions that things will get better by doing the same thing. As the saying goes if you always do what you have always done then your will always get what you have always got hence there is a need for major change before relegation becomes a certainty.
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Post by Toxic Ted on Feb 24, 2021 14:02:07 GMT 1
When Carlos was announced as gaffer it was to a fanfare of attacking football ahead. He was chosen because of the style he said he’d play and the style PH demanded to see. Hardly his fault now that the players he’s been given can’t deliver that style. For all we know he’s been told he’ll be sacked if he abandons what he said he’d try deliver.
It’s like CC is the chef and PH is the contestant on Ready Steady Cook. It’s hardly CC’s fault that PH turned up with a bag of dog shit, some out of date tripe and an unripe mango then shat his pants when he didn’t get a quality meal to enjoy.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Feb 24, 2021 14:34:01 GMT 1
Wow, some very unhealthy agendas here. The manager picks the team, tactics, preparation, substitutes, etc. But of course none of this is his fault. Lol He picks from the players he's provided with. Yes, of which there aren't many because he keeps Fucking breaking them 🤦🏻
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Feb 24, 2021 14:36:15 GMT 1
I think it's fair to assume that anyone attempting to absolve CC of any blame, hasn't seen a single town match this season where we haven't run out comfortable winners.
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Post by bigtruck on Feb 24, 2021 16:12:39 GMT 1
We’ve lost 20+ points from a winning position. How is that not something to do with CC. If we’re giving him credit for us being in the top 10 scorers then he takes responsibility for us also having the 2nd worse defensive record.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 16:16:36 GMT 1
robins may well have the last laugh Why the manager that took over from him got us promoted. No he didn't.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 24, 2021 16:21:03 GMT 1
Why the manager that took over from him got us promoted. No he didn't. Oh yes he did ( the Powell era is erased forever from my memory)
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Post by Drew Peacock on Feb 24, 2021 18:46:51 GMT 1
We’ve lost 20+ points from a winning position. How is that not something to do with CC. If we’re giving him credit for us being in the top 10 scorers then he takes responsibility for us also having the 2nd worse defensive record. And bizarrely many would argue that we have far better defensive players than we do attacking players.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 24, 2021 19:17:01 GMT 1
We’ve lost 20+ points from a winning position. How is that not something to do with CC. If we’re giving him credit for us being in the top 10 scorers then he takes responsibility for us also having the 2nd worse defensive record. And bizarrely many would argue that we have far better defensive players than we do attacking players. Don’t think anyone’s said we have better defensive players than strikers, they have said we need to strengthen up front, you’ve mistaken that for they are happy with the defence. Do you seriously not think both the areas are weak, that is why we are fighting relegation.
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Post by Drew Peacock on Feb 24, 2021 19:25:57 GMT 1
And bizarrely many would argue that we have far better defensive players than we do attacking players. Don’t think anyone’s said we have better defensive players than strikers, they have said we need to strengthen up front, you’ve mistaken that for they are happy with the defence. Do you seriously not think both the areas are weak, that is why we are fighting relegation. I think we have defenders who are capable at this level. I also think we have a manager who doesn't know how to organise a defence, that is why we are fighting relegation.
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Post by bigtruck on Feb 24, 2021 19:32:08 GMT 1
And bizarrely many would argue that we have far better defensive players than we do attacking players. Don’t think anyone’s said we have better defensive players than strikers, they have said we need to strengthen up front, you’ve mistaken that for they are happy with the defence. Do you seriously not think both the areas are weak, that is why we are fighting relegation. I actually don’t think the quality is the major issue. The vast majority of our starting 11/15 would/could be playing championship football if they weren’t at Town. The issue has been poor shape/tactics and some individual errors. CC Just isn’t experienced or good enough yet
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Post by hypotenuse on Feb 24, 2021 19:39:36 GMT 1
The squad we have, when all are fit, is plenty good enough for this level, the fact they're all injured is down to one man. It really isn’t, you’re as deluded as Phil. Correct. I said at the start of the season in a thread that this looked a bottom 5/6 squad. Indeed, I predicted that the bottom 5 would be us, Sheff W (more due to points deduction) Brum Wycombe Rotherham would be the teams from which the 3 relegation spots would be filled. Maybe I should take up betting again.
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Post by hypotenuse on Feb 24, 2021 19:42:51 GMT 1
Worse than Siewart? Not a chance. It’s easy to look at the results and say Siewart was shite but I’m not talking about results I’m talking about tactics and performances. They were not as bad as some of the crap we’ve seen this year. It didn’t work with Jan but he wasn’t far off. At the minute there doesn’t seem to be any cohesion or plan or ideas coming from CC and he’s definitely showing his naivety and Lack of experience. It’s only my opinion but I don’t think CC is any better than Siewart. If you look at some of the Opta data on us when Siewert was in charge in the premier league, you will see that he was in fact crap. We had absolutely no structure or positional sense. If you look at us earlier in the season under Wagner, we actually come out looking decent.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 24, 2021 19:45:15 GMT 1
It really isn’t, you’re as deluded as Phil. Correct. I said at the start of the season in a thread that this looked a bottom 5/6 squad. Indeed, I predicted that the bottom 5 would be us, Sheff W (more due to points deduction) Brum Wycombe Rotherham would be the teams from which the 3 relegation spots would be filled. Maybe I should take up betting again. Completely agree, to be fair most fans probably think the same , we had a weak squad last year we then sold or let go some of our better players. Cc has done a fantastic job if he keeps us up the issues are far deeper than the manager because the club isn’t investing in the squad and if this continues relegation is nailed on eventually. Don’t bet on town but if I did 😁.
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